I just bought my Tilt two days ago, I did the trick to remove the bloatware and didn't re-install any of the items it removed. My memory usage is usually between 66-70%, i only have a few extra programs, and don't have any thing running under the running programs tab in the memory section, the programs that i have are, kaiser tilt, tcpmp, google maps, htc home customizer, and that's about it, i only have solatire and bubble breaker under games, no xpress mail, i use the outlook for my gmail, but the memory usage of 66-70% seems a little high, is there a way to get the usage down some? or is that normal?
Try this
In Internet Explorer choose Menu>Tools>Options>Memory
Then Clear History and Delete Files
Another approach (not exactly sure if this is equivalent to one of the above) is to delete all items in the folder \Windows\Profiles\Guest\Temporary Internet Files.
IE "crap" can really suck up a lot of space quickly.
I don't think he's talking about storage memory, but RAM memory, which deleting the PIE cache will not affect.
My Tilt with Dutty's ROM runs at about 40% with no programs open. I thought that was excessive before reading your post.
It doesn't matter how many programs you have installed. It's what's running that matters. I have tons of things installed, but I usually keep everything shut down (except for whatever's using 40% of that 128mb of RAM!)
yea, i'm talking about Ram memory, currently right now w/nothing running, except for what ever goes on behind the sences that i dont' know about, but under the running programs tabs i have no programs on i'm at 70%, memory says 125.04 total, 89.45 in use, 35.59 free. any ways to reduce that amount being used?
That does seem very excessive. On my today screen i have HTC home and SPB plus with a bunch of icons and other stuff and i am using up 33-40% depending on how long i have the phone running for. Have you tried soft resetting it to see if the memory goes down at all right when you start it up? It might be something that you have loaded in your today screen thats hogging memory or causing a leak.
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That does seem very excessive. On my today screen i have HTC home and SPB plus with a bunch of icons and other stuff and i am using up 33-40% depending on how long i have the phone running for. Have you tried soft resetting it to see if the memory goes down at all right when you start it up? It might be something that you have loaded in your today screen thats hogging memory or causing a leak.
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I tried the soft reset, it started up at 73% used memory and went down to 71% used memorty after a minute or two. I have no idea what's causing so much use, like it mentioned in the first post i don't have much installed and nothing running when i did the reset.
Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? i'm thinking i may have to just do a hard reset and see were the memory usage is and then re install everything, if that dont work it looks like a phone call to tech support unless someone has any ideas
Maybe a bloated mxip_initdb?
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Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? i'm thinking i may have to just do a hard reset and see were the memory usage is and then re install everything, if that dont work it looks like a phone call to tech support unless someone has any ideas
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I would try loading Memmaid to see what services are really running on youe phone. I hover around 40% in use most of the time. I use Memmaid to condence my memory and clean out dup and dangling notifications. I t really helps me
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yea, i'm talking about Ram memory, currently right now w/nothing running, except for what ever goes on behind the sences that i dont' know about, but under the running programs tabs i have no programs on i'm at 70%, memory says 125.04 total, 89.45 in use, 35.59 free. any ways to reduce that amount being used?
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the 125.04 total you quote is for storage memory, not program memory. (mine shows 101.28 total available program memory) it has nothing to do with running programs, but rather the amount of programs you have installed to main memory.
if you haven't already done so, get a storage card and install your programs there if given the option.
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Maybe a bloated mxip_initdb?
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What is this file, and can something be done to reduce etc? Mine is currently sitting on around 16mb!!!
Try SKTools here: http://s-k-tools.com/index.html?sktools/m_feat.html. It has many features and a good "FreeUP RAM Service" described here http://s-k-tools.com/?m_freeuprams.html. Trial available.
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My Tytn II has developed an annoying slowdown over the last few days and it's getting on my wick. I have no applications running, 54Mb of storage memory and 52Mb of program memory and yet every key press takes at least 10 seconds to respond, screen redraws are a nightmare and answering the phone is impossible because it refuses to accept button presses in time.
Clearly something is hogging the processor, but how can I find out what it is? Is there a WM equivalent of the windows Task manager that shows CPU and memory usage on the device in realtime?
I'm loathe to do a hard reset because I really don't want the hassle of reinstalling everything again.
Thanks for any assistance.
Lee.
Try this freeware app, Task Manager. It will show all processess and apps like Windows.
Can't upload as I only use RAR and it's not supported now all of a sudden.
dot fred task manager is what you want to google for.
AFAIK, .RAR attachments never worked, must be thinking of another forum...
not sure if it's related but when mine slows down l just clear the temp internet files.
ChumleyEX said:
not sure if it's related but when mine slows down l just clear the temp internet files.
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That was the first thing I did and it made no difference. As I said I have plenty of storage and app memory left
Also tried Task Manager, which showed no rogue processes and the system idle process was active at about 80-90%, so that showed nothing either.
I've been deleting stuff all weekend to see if there was a dodgy app but nothing has made any difference so far. I'm going to bite the bullet and do a hard reset combined with a 6.1 firmware upgrade to make some use of it.
Tch
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That was the first thing I did and it made no difference. As I said I have plenty of storage and app memory left
Also tried Task Manager, which showed no rogue processes and the system idle process was active at about 80-90%, so that showed nothing either.
I've been deleting stuff all weekend to see if there was a dodgy app but nothing has made any difference so far. I'm going to bite the bullet and do a hard reset combined with a 6.1 firmware upgrade to make some use of it.
Tch
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U may try something like SKTools or memmaid, they have some clean-up functions. The sktools have a function to free up your RAM. Its worth checking.
Hi
maybe you guys already know about this but I just want to share this with others that maybe don't know... anyway.. to get less RAM usage do this:
use sktools or a registry program to enter the registry... go to HKCU, then software, HTC and BootLauncher, and apps, remove the apps and softreset your phone... after reset RAM usage should be under 30%, mine is at 27% but after a while 32%... stable. maybe someone thinks this is not good but it's working good for me without any problems before doing this the RAM usage was around 40%
nah, there are some applications that I need, like connection setup using Itjes V6.5
thuhoan said:
nah, there are some applications that I need, like connection setup using Itjes V6.5
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then leave that but remove the others.. I have not tried with itjes ROM, but smaberg and udK... it's working fine, don't remember if I had "connection setup" ...
it's really pointless to eliminate random apps from automatic startup unless you perfectly know what they do...
less ram usage but a slower device.
these apps are loaded as background tasks so that you don't have to wait while they load everytime you use them...
now with as much memory as the x1 has I personally think its a good thing...I've not had an OOM error yet
fards said:
less ram usage but a slower device.
these apps are loaded as background tasks so that you don't have to wait while they load everytime you use them...
now with as much memory as the x1 has I personally think its a good thing...I've not had an OOM error yet
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yep ... I added some apps to the exclusive list, so that they will start up faster (yota contacts, messaging ...). the memory usage is unimportant as long as there are no slow downs ... and there are none ...
so yes, memory usage will decrease when removing those apps, but the device is slower in genereal due missing pre loaded files.
hmm, might be right what you're saying but I think my device is faster now than before.. it was not so important apps that I removed... the phone is stable..
I don't know if it's me or setting "Home app in memory" on CM drains waaay more battery.
I have 1600 mAh battery that usually lasts 8 AM to midnight and still has 20-30% left. Whereas when I set my phone to keep home app in memory, the battery is under 50% before noon.
It sure will!
And this is why:
When you run a new program and the memory is filled, things need to be dumped from ram to make space.
The home application ONLY needs to be run while you are on the desktop -- it doesn't actually do anything when you have some other application in the foreground. If you force it to stay loaded in memory, then other things (background processes) will get dumped from memory instead -- things that need to be running more or less all the time. So what happens when you force the home application to stay in memory, is that these background processes get into a crazy cycle of constantly trying to RELOAD. Maybe bumping some other stuff out of memory to do so, causing those other things to get into constantly trying to reload. In other words, it causes a much higher CPU load and eats up your batter.
Makes sense, but is there anything that could help, like enabling compcache or swap?
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It sure will!
And this is why:
When you run a new program and the memory is filled, things need to be dumped from ram to make space.
The home application ONLY needs to be run while you are on the desktop -- it doesn't actually do anything when you have some other application in the foreground. If you force it to stay loaded in memory, then other things (background processes) will get dumped from memory instead -- things that need to be running more or less all the time. So what happens when you force the home application to stay in memory, is that these background processes get into a crazy cycle of constantly trying to RELOAD. Maybe bumping some other stuff out of memory to do so, causing those other things to get into constantly trying to reload. In other words, it causes a much higher CPU load and eats up your batter.
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Wow...great explanation. Thanks! I'll disable this setting then.
Neejay said:
Wow...great explanation. Thanks! I'll disable this setting then.
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It's a trade-off. For me returning to the home from any app is way to slow unless I have that feature enabled.
Maybe it's because I have a widget and 8 icons on the main screen?
I have 2 widgets and 4 icons on home screen (total of 7 widgets and 25 icons on 5 screens) so for me disabling "keep home in memory" is not even an option lol
Even just having a lot of applications installed will make it take longer for launcher to start up.... it has to scan through all the programs installed, figure out what icon to use (and deal with it), figure out what name to use, build the menu, etc., etc., etc.
wheres the option for this?
You can find it in Spare Parts app on several ROMs (I use CM).
Hi all,
1. I've got these applications (Smartone-Vodophone SV app, 5 days weather, google map, social hub and such) that would keep coming back, relaunching themselves even after I put them onto my task manager's autokill list. Seems like they would wait around for me to enable the wifi/3G connection and then launch themselves. I even installed other apps to disable autolaunch and they would still launch themselves in the background every now and then. I had to kill them every time I unlocked my screen and these "launching and killing" cycles eventually depleted my memory down to below 100MB, making the lag situation even worse. Does anyone know how I can stop them from launching, without having to uninstall these apps?
2. I haven't installed the lagfix and I understand that the fix has to do with reformatting the apps' partition with a faster file system to reduce the lag (probably by giving it faster I/O access to the program's binaries?) I'm still waiting for Froyo, which should be out in a couple of weeks in my country. Does anyone know if Froyo would take care of this file system problem? Even with the Froyo or one-click lag fix, it still would not solve the apps launching and memory leak problem, right?
3. I notice that after I've installed more apps, the lag situation got worse. I was playing some songs on the external SD cards and it choked once in a while. I made sure I killed all the other apps and that I still got 100+MB to run just this one song player app and yet it would still choke. This tells me that the lag has nothing to do with available memory. And the player app was stock that came with the phone so there shouldn't be any fragmentation issue (apps installed later might have?) that makes it run slow. And if its the bad file system, this app, running all by itself, should have all the I/O bandwidth to itself so the access to the app's binaries should not have any lag... and neither should the access to the songs on the external SD card. So what exactly is causing the lag then? I don't see how the lagfix would solve this problem either. I actually have read that the lags would come back after a period of usage even with the lagfix. Anyone got an insight to this problem? What exactly is causing the lag? and why installing more apps seem to make it worse? and would Froyo be able to fix all these problems?
Thanks a lot.
@boarder838
I think you really need to read a lot more about just how Android works as you seem to have some strange ideas about how it works.
To start with you need to realise that having 200mb or 100mb of free Ram makes zero difference to performance only when you have no free Ram is it a problem and even then the system will sort it out for you by closing the least used program. Free Ram is just wasted Ram as it's not doing anything and will not make your device respond or work faster using a Auto Task Killer is wasting your battery and slowing down your device not speeding it up and saving battery as you seem to think. As i have pointed out above stop obsessing over your free Ram amount as unless you have none its not a problem stop using a Task Killer and you will most probably see your device responds faster as its not constantly killing things and just leaves them open doing nothing in the back ground which doesn't use Ram or Battery so just leave them be.
Yes Froyo will bring many improvements to our devices but won't fix a problem that doesn't exist re memory leaks and apps launching that you seem to think you have. I don't know but some of those apps may be system apps that need to run all the time which is why they keep relaunching. As for a lag fix well that's what we are all hoping for but if not I'm pretty sure the great people of this forum will come up with an easy to apply fix to it.
I have absolutely no problem playing Music or even streaming it over Bluetooth no lag stutters or break ups at all although my Music is on the Internal SD card. Maybe you should look at the quality that you have encoded your Music in as that may be causing problem. maybe some of the apps you have installed are also causing a problem but its impossible to know as we all install different apps and have different set ups.
I don't know how much experience you have with Android devices or flashing Roms but if you read enough and understand it you have the possibility to flash custom Rom's and various tweaks and fixes to make your device how you want it. That's part of the beauty of Android but don't rush into anything you are not sure about as you can end up with an expensive brick so read things many times and make sure you understand step by step what you are doing if you are going to attempt any of these things.
If you look at my signature you will see i am running a Custom Rom that includes a lag fix and various other tweaks it also allowed me to remove some of the programs in the official Rom that i didn't want or need. For me my device runs nice and smooth and fast of course I'm looking forward to Froyo and all the improvements that will bring but I'm quite happy with my Galaxy S the way it is now. Oh and this is my second Android device and I've never used a Task Killer never mind an Auto Task Killer and have never seen an out of Ram message either.
Marc
exactly what he said ^
Hi Marc,
Thanks for spending time to read through my long post and reply to it. I probably didn't explain my problem clearly in my post.
There were a couple of reasons I wanted to kill/stop the apps from starting:
1. Even before I installed any of those apps killer, I noticed that the available memory kept going down after a couple days of usage and it went down to below 100M. I figured some of the apps would need 10's of MB to run so I thought I should at least keep 100MB around so that it wouldn't run out of memory and start swapping when I start those apps. I don't know enough about Android but I assume its just like linux or other OS, when it runs out of physical memory, it would start swapping and slow things down. Even after I started using task killer and killed all the other tasks, the memory level would still not recover. That seems to point to a memory leak problem but using "Memory Booster" to do garbage collection seems to help. Still, it would be nice to be able to stop them from launching in the first place. <-- my first question.
2. I do not want any jobs/processes/apps that I don't need to run in the background to drain my battery. I don't think I can say for sure that those apps are all just idling and not using much CPU/battery. There are quite a few of them so if each of them use some CPU time/battery, it will add up eventually. Note that these are not system processes (or daemons as in unix's init.d). They are crappy apps from the cellular provider so I'm pretty sure they don't have to be running (they're probably just collecting my personal data or smth). I just thought there would be a way to stop them from launching without uninstalling them.
Thanks for answering my question regarding Froyo. If they would do the filesystem lagfix then I'll just wait for that update.
As for the music stuttering problem, my songs are on the external SD card but my old Nokia E85 phone has no problem playing with those songs on the same SD card. As I have pointed out in my last question, I was only running one app and with plenty of memory so it had nothing to do with available memory. I also suggested that however bad the filesystem was, the I/O bandwidth should still be enough to run this one music player app (access the program binary/libraries?) and to retrieve data from external SD card to play the music smoothly. So applying the lagfix probably won't help this problem though I still haven't tried the lagfix. Now I'm thinking that one of the task killer might be killing some system processes which were needed by the music player. I probably should uninstall all these task killers and see if it would help.
I have gotten the phone for only a couple of weeks so I haven't gotten around to try flashing different roms or rooting my phone. There's so much info scattered around on the web and I can't seem to find a source that really has the authority or complete information. I'll see if I have time later to look into all the tweaks and such but for now its just a phone to me and I just want it to run smoothly without having to spend too much effort to tune it.
Don't get me wrong. I still love the flexibility and customization opportunities provided by the Android platform and I just love to show off my "Beautiful Weather Widget", "Live Aquarium Wall Paper" and my cool 3D scrolling "Launcher Pro" to my iphone4 buddies and make them drool.
Thanks for you comment and let's hope Froyo will bring us a smooth running and stable platform.
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@boarder838
I think you really need to read a lot more about just how Android works as you seem to have some strange ideas about how it works.
To start with you need to realise that having 200mb or 100mb of free Ram makes zero difference to performance only when you have no free Ram is it a problem and even then the system will sort it out for you by closing the least used program. Free Ram is just wasted Ram as it's not doing anything and will not make your device respond or work faster using a Auto Task Killer is wasting your battery and slowing down your device not speeding it up and saving battery as you seem to think. As i have pointed out above stop obsessing over your free Ram amount as unless you have none its not a problem stop using a Task Killer and you will most probably see your device responds faster as its not constantly killing things and just leaves them open doing nothing in the back ground which doesn't use Ram or Battery so just leave them be.
Yes Froyo will bring many improvements to our devices but won't fix a problem that doesn't exist re memory leaks and apps launching that you seem to think you have. I don't know but some of those apps may be system apps that need to run all the time which is why they keep relaunching. As for a lag fix well that's what we are all hoping for but if not I'm pretty sure the great people of this forum will come up with an easy to apply fix to it.
I have absolutely no problem playing Music or even streaming it over Bluetooth no lag stutters or break ups at all although my Music is on the Internal SD card. Maybe you should look at the quality that you have encoded your Music in as that may be causing problem. maybe some of the apps you have installed are also causing a problem but its impossible to know as we all install different apps and have different set ups.
I don't know how much experience you have with Android devices or flashing Roms but if you read enough and understand it you have the possibility to flash custom Rom's and various tweaks and fixes to make your device how you want it. That's part of the beauty of Android but don't rush into anything you are not sure about as you can end up with an expensive brick so read things many times and make sure you understand step by step what you are doing if you are going to attempt any of these things.
If you look at my signature you will see i am running a Custom Rom that includes a lag fix and various other tweaks it also allowed me to remove some of the programs in the official Rom that i didn't want or need. For me my device runs nice and smooth and fast of course I'm looking forward to Froyo and all the improvements that will bring but I'm quite happy with my Galaxy S the way it is now. Oh and this is my second Android device and I've never used a Task Killer never mind an Auto Task Killer and have never seen an out of Ram message either.
Marc
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Oh I found the problem with stuttering music. It was the "beautiful weather widget"! I tried removing all the task killers and aquarium etc and it still wouldn't work. As soon as I removed the weather widget there was no problem with music playback anymore. Anyone has the same problem that pretty weather widget?? I've already set the refresh period to every 3 hours but it still wouldn't help?!
Good day!
Im new to xda-developers forum, just found a link in youtube while watching some stuff about galaxy note.
I have not discovered my galaxy note thoroughly yet coz its still new to me. Just wondering, the usage of memory without running any apps will go about 60%-70% percent. My temporary solution for this is to run task application and kill all exciting apps. Just wanna ask what kind of problem this may be?
No need to get alarmed by that. That's the way Android runs: it keeps apps in cache, so you can access them faster. When there's too much of them cached, the system kills off some apps.
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No need to get alarmed by that. That's the way Android runs: it keeps apps in cache, so you can access them faster. When there's too much of them cached, the system kills off some apps.
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thank you for your reply.
in this case, i cannot access on other apps that i'll run. just manually kill all the apps every-now-and-then.
Just remember: free memory is wasted memory. This is true for almost every piece of computing machinery out there.
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Just remember: free memory is wasted memory. This is true for almost every piece of computing machinery out there.
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Thank you.
the only thing is, when i access on other apps like games. loading on the apps takes longer or even it crashes. maybe its because of the memory allocation of the apps or just there is no enough memory space to allocate the app.
JoshuaTumanda said:
Thank you.
the only thing is, when i access on other apps like games. loading on the apps takes longer or even it crashes. maybe its because of the memory allocation of the apps or just there is no enough memory space to allocate the app.
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While what the other member said is true, unused memory is wasted memory, but the issue is exactly that. Android ends apps that you may be running to be able to open more apps, which I find bad.
While it is normal to find the amount of ram you have said already loaded and being used, I still don't like it.
There are times that I'm trying to multitask and I open an app and right away jump back into the previous app to find that Android OS has decided to close it, within 3 seconds of hitting the home button. It makes multitasking a little harder. But there are ways around this .
But still, I hope ICS fixes this issue. I don't need 200 of the 1 gig of ram in use, what I would like is to have 300 or so free to be able to multitask normally.
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While what the other member said is true, unused memory is wasted memory, but the issue is exactly that. Android ends apps that you may be running to be able to open more apps, which I find bad.
While it is normal to find the amount of ram you have said already loaded and being used, I still don't like it.
There are times that I'm trying to multitask and I open an app and right away jump back into the previous app to find that Android OS has decided to close it, within 3 seconds of hitting the home button. It makes multitasking a little harder. But there are ways around this .
But still, I hope ICS fixes this issue. I don't need 200 of the 1 gig of ram in use, what I would like is to have 300 or so free to be able to multitask normally.
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Thats exactly my point. Thank you!
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There are times that I'm trying to multitask and I open an app and right away jump back into the previous app to find that Android OS has decided to close it, within 3 seconds of hitting the home button. It makes multitasking a little harder. But there are ways around this .
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can you please elaborate on the workarounds so that Android doesn't kill the background apps especially opera mobile