Database Develop

Memory Usage on Tilt

I just bought my Tilt two days ago, I did the trick to remove the bloatware and didn't re-install any of the items it removed. My memory usage is usually between 66-70%, i only have a few extra programs, and don't have any thing running under the running programs tab in the memory section, the programs that i have are, kaiser tilt, tcpmp, google maps, htc home customizer, and that's about it, i only have solatire and bubble breaker under games, no xpress mail, i use the outlook for my gmail, but the memory usage of 66-70% seems a little high, is there a way to get the usage down some? or is that normal?

Try this
In Internet Explorer choose Menu>Tools>Options>Memory
Then Clear History and Delete Files
Another approach (not exactly sure if this is equivalent to one of the above) is to delete all items in the folder \Windows\Profiles\Guest\Temporary Internet Files.
IE "crap" can really suck up a lot of space quickly.

I don't think he's talking about storage memory, but RAM memory, which deleting the PIE cache will not affect.
My Tilt with Dutty's ROM runs at about 40% with no programs open. I thought that was excessive before reading your post.
It doesn't matter how many programs you have installed. It's what's running that matters. I have tons of things installed, but I usually keep everything shut down (except for whatever's using 40% of that 128mb of RAM!)

yea, i'm talking about Ram memory, currently right now w/nothing running, except for what ever goes on behind the sences that i dont' know about, but under the running programs tabs i have no programs on i'm at 70%, memory says 125.04 total, 89.45 in use, 35.59 free. any ways to reduce that amount being used?

That does seem very excessive. On my today screen i have HTC home and SPB plus with a bunch of icons and other stuff and i am using up 33-40% depending on how long i have the phone running for. Have you tried soft resetting it to see if the memory goes down at all right when you start it up? It might be something that you have loaded in your today screen thats hogging memory or causing a leak.

Zyren said:
That does seem very excessive. On my today screen i have HTC home and SPB plus with a bunch of icons and other stuff and i am using up 33-40% depending on how long i have the phone running for. Have you tried soft resetting it to see if the memory goes down at all right when you start it up? It might be something that you have loaded in your today screen thats hogging memory or causing a leak.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I tried the soft reset, it started up at 73% used memory and went down to 71% used memorty after a minute or two. I have no idea what's causing so much use, like it mentioned in the first post i don't have much installed and nothing running when i did the reset.

Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? i'm thinking i may have to just do a hard reset and see were the memory usage is and then re install everything, if that dont work it looks like a phone call to tech support unless someone has any ideas

Maybe a bloated mxip_initdb?

brianlb said:
Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? i'm thinking i may have to just do a hard reset and see were the memory usage is and then re install everything, if that dont work it looks like a phone call to tech support unless someone has any ideas
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I would try loading Memmaid to see what services are really running on youe phone. I hover around 40% in use most of the time. I use Memmaid to condence my memory and clean out dup and dangling notifications. I t really helps me

brianlb said:
yea, i'm talking about Ram memory, currently right now w/nothing running, except for what ever goes on behind the sences that i dont' know about, but under the running programs tabs i have no programs on i'm at 70%, memory says 125.04 total, 89.45 in use, 35.59 free. any ways to reduce that amount being used?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the 125.04 total you quote is for storage memory, not program memory. (mine shows 101.28 total available program memory) it has nothing to do with running programs, but rather the amount of programs you have installed to main memory.
if you haven't already done so, get a storage card and install your programs there if given the option.

TiltedAz said:
Maybe a bloated mxip_initdb?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What is this file, and can something be done to reduce etc? Mine is currently sitting on around 16mb!!!

Try SKTools here: http://s-k-tools.com/index.html?sktools/m_feat.html. It has many features and a good "FreeUP RAM Service" described here http://s-k-tools.com/?m_freeuprams.html. Trial available.

[TIP] less RAM usage...

Hi
maybe you guys already know about this but I just want to share this with others that maybe don't know... anyway.. to get less RAM usage do this:
use sktools or a registry program to enter the registry... go to HKCU, then software, HTC and BootLauncher, and apps, remove the apps and softreset your phone... after reset RAM usage should be under 30%, mine is at 27% but after a while 32%... stable. maybe someone thinks this is not good but it's working good for me without any problems before doing this the RAM usage was around 40%

nah, there are some applications that I need, like connection setup using Itjes V6.5

thuhoan said:
nah, there are some applications that I need, like connection setup using Itjes V6.5
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
then leave that but remove the others.. I have not tried with itjes ROM, but smaberg and udK... it's working fine, don't remember if I had "connection setup" ...

it's really pointless to eliminate random apps from automatic startup unless you perfectly know what they do...

less ram usage but a slower device.
these apps are loaded as background tasks so that you don't have to wait while they load everytime you use them...
now with as much memory as the x1 has I personally think its a good thing...I've not had an OOM error yet

fards said:
less ram usage but a slower device.
these apps are loaded as background tasks so that you don't have to wait while they load everytime you use them...
now with as much memory as the x1 has I personally think its a good thing...I've not had an OOM error yet
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yep ... I added some apps to the exclusive list, so that they will start up faster (yota contacts, messaging ...). the memory usage is unimportant as long as there are no slow downs ... and there are none ...
so yes, memory usage will decrease when removing those apps, but the device is slower in genereal due missing pre loaded files.

hmm, might be right what you're saying but I think my device is faster now than before.. it was not so important apps that I removed... the phone is stable..

[Q] Why does many installed apps increase lag?

Can't see why this is the case (but it obviously is) as long as I have lots of free disk space and not many apps running at the same time. Any logic in this?

I've been experiencing the same issue and wondering the same thing...
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S GT-I9000 using Tapatalk Pro

There seems to be several things causing this, but the two key issues are:
The moviNAND (the internal flash drive/"SSD") firmware seems to have an issue with fsync() taking extremely long. E.g., it slows down whenever a file is written/updated on the internal storage.
RFS, the file system used by Samsung is buggy as hell and corrupts data after a while.
There are several topics on these issues in the Android Development forum. There are also several "lag fixes" trying their best to overcome these issues. Go check them out

Einride said:
There seems to be several things causing this, but the two key issues are:
RFS, the file system used by Samsung is buggy as hell and corrupts data after a while.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We have no idea if that is ACTUALLY true.. Just because fsck picked some things up on 1 phone, doesn't mean it happens everywhere.. Furthermore, it doesn't mean the problems detected affect operations

that has no truth at all about more apps slowing down the phone, my phone is the prove

Before jpk i didn't noticed slowdowns with aprox 100 apps, now i do on jpk =/
Prolly that all pictures/links/info stays in his workmemory?

probably cause some of them run in the system memory or run at startup

KaliKot said:
probably cause some of them run in the system memory or run at startup
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Bingo!
and that is what most people does not realize
they need to Optimize the phone, most people take it for granted
the phone is not a phone, the phone is a mini computer that fits in your hands
just like your big desktop PC it can go crazy if you don't take care of it

AllGamer said:
Bingo!
and that is what most people does not realize
they need to Optimize the phone, most people take it for granted
the phone is not a phone, the phone is a mini computer that fits in your hands
just like your big desktop PC it can go crazy if you don't take care of it
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can you tell me why with the same apps installed on the Nexus it doesn't lag like the SGS?
Can you stop blaming users when is the phone which doesn't work as expected?

Oletros said:
Can you tell me why with the same apps installed on the Nexus it doesn't lag like the SGS?
Can you stop blaming users when is the phone which doesn't work as expected?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
utter ****e -i have well over 100 apps on my sgs and experience NO lag whatsoever!

bonehooch said:
utter ****e -i have well over 100 apps on my sgs and experience NO lag whatsoever!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Utter ****e? Why?

it was mentioned many many times
just install autorunkiller and a good task manager then all the problems will be gone
stock ROM is very fast when you maintain the phone

AllGamer said:
it was mentioned many many times
just install autorunkiller and a good task manager then all the problems will be gone
stock ROM is very fast when you maintain the phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
With autokiller the phone is still laggy.
And please, stop thinking I'm stupid or I don't know a **** about smartphones, ROM's changing, firmware or knowing how a phone must run.

AFAIK this topic and its responses are for the OP

I have about 190 Apps installed and do not experience any diferene in overall speed of the phone. But only because i know that a lot of the programms start on boot and stay in background.
I have more than 15 apps turned off with the full version of autorun killer to prevent the auto restart of the apps. Otherwise the phone would definetaly slow down.
It´s really incredible what apps start on the boot!

TMReuffurth said:
I have about 190 Apps installed and do not experience any diferene in overall speed of the phone. But only because i know that a lot of the programms start on boot and stay in background.
I have more than 15 apps turned off with the full version of autorun killer to prevent the auto restart of the apps. Otherwise the phone would definetaly slow down.
It´s really incredible what apps start on the boot!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do you need to be rooted ti use all of the functions in autorun killer? I am not rooted.
Can you compile a breif list of the "biggest culprits" to stop with this utility to gain back the most speed and efficiency? I am a bit nervous that I will stop the wrong items and somehow damage my phone...

Autokiller and task killers are not the solution here! Quick lesson on Android, and why having even A SINGLE BAD APP is going to ruin your whole phone!
Android has something called an 'Intent'. In order to start an app, an intent is made by your launcher or a button you press, and the Android system reads this intent and works out what app it needs to start up.
There is a second type of intent though, called a 'Broadcast Intent'. This is an intent that is sent out to anything that is registered to listen to it. This means that an app can register to listen to all sorts of events, such as battery level changed, application start, or a tons of other things. Even if the application is closed, if it is registered as a listener, Android will start it right back up so it can deal with the intent. If the intent comes every 5 seconds, Android will run this app every 5 seconds even if you have a taskkiller killing the app.
The only real solution is to not install apps which are bad! Finding bad apps is a real mission, too. Hopefully in the future, utilities will be available to let us track down these terrible apps, but till then, you'll have to work it out yourself.

yiannisthegreek said:
Do you need to be rooted ti use all of the functions in autorun killer? I am not rooted.
Can you compile a breif list of the "biggest culprits" to stop with this utility to gain back the most speed and efficiency? I am a bit nervous that I will stop the wrong items and somehow damage my phone...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No need for Root to use all features of Autorun Killer. I would disable only the apps you know and which you do not need at startup and running in background, such as (in my case) Paypal, App Center from Androidpit, Daily Briefing, Photoshop Express, Word Press, TweetCaster, etc.
Every of these apps works normal, even when deactivatet on startup.
So unless you do not disable system apps (must be previously set enabled in settings) you are safe.

RyanZA said:
(...)There is a second type of intent though, called a 'Broadcast Intent'. This is an intent that is sent out to anything that is registered to listen to it.(...)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Is there any possibility/app to show what is registered for which app?

watching the apps
Samga said:
Is there any possibility/app to show what is registered for which app?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is an app called Autostarts at 0.95$.
It shows what is launched au startup, when you enable/disable wifi etc.
It think it gives insight on how apps seems launching out of nowhere.
I also reccomend Watchdog Task Manager Lite, the free version.
It does not kill anything, but notifies and logs the bad apps that consumes over a certain CPU percentage.

[Q] My phone runs slow - so many apps open - why ?

I think there are flaws to the way android operates. Let's take Windows operating system for example. I have hundreds and hundreds of programs, software and applications -- but is it running all the time? Nope.
When I reboot my Android phone, I hit the "advanced task manager" widget to close all running apps (sometimes I get 45-50). About 2 mins later I do it again (and now 30 close)
The question begs to be asked. Why, if they are being closed, are they opening up again by themselves ? How do I make it so they don't open up by themselves ?
The "auto-killer" in the task manager is set at the highest level (insane) and yet it STILL has 20-30 apps "open" every time I hit task manager.
This phone is incredibly laggy.
(2.1 eclair, stock, no root, no OCLF)

Those apps aren't actually running and eating cpu cycles, they are stored in ram so when you do open one of them or another app requests them it doesn't take so long or lag. If your phone is slow I would do a factor reset because these phone are not slow. Hope that works!
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App

I've only had my phone less than a month (after doing a reset because of what I perceived to be a faulty SD issue)
Maybe it's time I should start messing around with the flashing etc.

spectre85 said:
Those apps aren't actually running and eating cpu cycles, they are stored in ram so when you do open one of them or another app requests them it doesn't take so long or lag. If your phone is slow I would do a factor reset because these phone are not slow. Hope that works!
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Says the guy running a speed mod kernal lol

I'd suggest factory reset, plugging into PC and upgrading to v2.2 via Kies, then get v2.2.1 from Kies if you want or samfirmware.com
You can use titanium to backup all your user apps and data, works a treat.
Contacts can be synced with your google account (if they aren't already).
SMS can be backuped if you wish using one of the free apps in the market.

Funkadelick said:
I've only had my phone less than a month (after doing a reset because of what I perceived to be a faulty SD issue)
Maybe it's time I should start messing around with the flashing etc.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Until I started flashing custom ROMs my SGS was quite laggy...flashing is the way to go, just make sure you do your research. Check the link in my signature for a load of guides.

Nook memory leaking...anyone else?

I am running auto nooter on my nc (lovin it) but i have noticed that the available memory is slowly leaking. On reboot, i usually have around 300 available and that number slowly but surely decreases until its so low that it reboots automatically.
I have advanced task killer installed and periodically kill all the tasks to make sure nothing is running in the background.
Any idea what might be causing this?

Advanced Task Killer is not helping you. Google has come right out and said Task Killers will do more harm than good on your Android device. Here is a good read:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
The fact that you can see an application's process "running" does not mean the application is running or doing anything. It may simply be there because Android needed it at some point, and has decided that it would be best to keep it around in case it needs it again.
...
Once Android determines that it needs to remove a process, it does this brutally, simply force-killing it. The kernel can then immediately reclaim all resources needed by the process, without relying on that application being well written and responsive to a polite request to exit. Allowing the kernel to immediately reclaim application resources makes it a lot easier to avoid serious out of memory situations.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

czarjohn said:
I am running auto nooter on my nc (lovin it) but i have noticed that the available memory is slowly leaking. On reboot, i usually have around 300 available and that number slowly but surely decreases until its so low that it reboots automatically.
I have advanced task killer installed and periodically kill all the tasks to make sure nothing is running in the background.
Any idea what might be causing this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It will not reboot when it runs out of ram. My suspicion is you're seeing the 'random reboot' problem that happens on the stock B&N ROM. See here for a workaround: http://nookdevs.com/NookColor_Issues
mrapollinax said:
Advanced Task Killer is not helping you. Google has come right out and said Task Killers will do more harm than good on your Android device. Here is a good read:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I totally agree with this on 2.2 upwards... Unfortunately 2.1 is a little more lax about memory handling, and can sometimes get quite slow and jumpy and can benefit from a flush. I use System Panel and exclude all of my important tasks and widget, and if I see my NC getting jumpy or such, I'll kill all (which excludes those already excluded apps of course). But auto task killers are always a bad idea.

mrapollinax said:
Advanced Task Killer is not helping you. Google has come right out and said Task Killers will do more harm than good on your Android device. Here is a good read:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the post, that was a great read and I am uninstalling my task killer now.
Mike

Regarding task killing, I recommend something like Watchdog to monitor apps as opposed to an auto-task killer. Watchdog has a really nice widget for monitoring system resources and in the rare occasion that an app starts misbehaving, it will give you a notification and the option to kill it. Otherwise letting the OS handle things itself is the best option. I've been using computers for a very long time and idea of leaving apps running seems counter-intuitive, but in my experience there is no reason to not trust what Google says about the issue.

czarjohn said:
I am running auto nooter on my nc (lovin it) but i have noticed that the available memory is slowly leaking. On reboot, i usually have around 300 available and that number slowly but surely decreases until its so low that it reboots automatically.
I have advanced task killer installed and periodically kill all the tasks to make sure nothing is running in the background.
Any idea what might be causing this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i am also having these problems but im on honeycomb
i dont have any task killer installed but i installed one last week to check if my memory was leaking or if the rom was just rebooting

Great stuff here. Thanks for all the info. I think it was the random reboot since it did seem to happen most often when i was putting the nc in to standby.
Lots of good stuff here. Gonna miss the little green widget on my home screen, but i guess google knows best...

czarjohn said:
Great stuff here. Thanks for all the info. I think it was the random reboot since it did seem to happen most often when i was putting the nc in to standby.
Lots of good stuff here. Gonna miss the little green widget on my home screen, but i guess google knows best...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well i installed honeycomb preview v2 on my eemc from samuallhaff and it seems to remove this problem
i suggest you switch to his rom if you want the memory leaks to stop

luigi90210 said:
well i installed honeycomb preview v2 on my eemc from samuallhaff and it seems to remove this problem
i suggest you switch to his rom if you want the memory leaks to stop
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't confuse "memory leaks" with "weird wifi sleep reboot bug".