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Low Video Quality (Low Frame Rate)

Am I the only one here complaining of the very bad video quality taken with the Kaiser (TyTN II) apparently caused by the low frame rate ? I don't think so, because I've heard few other people complaining of the same thing....
I just want you guys to either raise your voice or suggest a solution... I used to take much better videos using older HTC models, and the Kaiser supposed to be doing better than those older models, not worse....
Check out the following YouTube clip to compare the Kaiser to Nokia N95..... What a shame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz9lqEATEA0

Yes, its utterly useless. The 8525 was better. Why?

wow striking comparison. there's got to be a way to up the FPS via the registry...

I tried changing both the fps and bitrate in the registry but see no improvement.

I believe it will require software or driver update through HTC... I hope they are aware of it.... guys we have to email HTC so they will be aware of it (if they are not already)

Yup, this is a hard/software problem; no known player works at a decent speed.

I wonder if you can disable the autofocus of the camera and make the video quality better?
The front facing camera does not have auto focus and it shoots much better video.

Bummer. This was a major selling point to me and I have yet to get decent quality.
I haven't done much encoding, so I thought it was my bad on the encode side.
So even with TCPMP/Core Player and optimal encode settings, it's still bad? People have been saying sling player works well, is it because they stream at a low frame rate?
EDIT: Doing a bit more research, seems some people have gotten decent performance...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298126 (but on Wizard)
Here is some hope for it being just an encoding/settings issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336063&highlight=video (Page 2)
from another forum
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/htc-...5/93396-video-performance-recomendations.html
But this seems to suggest there is some firmware work to be done before any "real" improvement can take place.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339173&highlight=video
And here, the recommendation is the .7x TCPMP (should be the right one under the Kaiser CABS sticky)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336433&highlight=video
Seems there is quite a bit of competing info on this. Can anyone confirm settings that work? If so, please post details of player/settings/encoding rates/codec/ etc. Maybe there is a sweet spot that will make do until a firmware update can be had (if this is even a possible fix).

This thread is pertaining to video -capture- quality, not playback.

Yes, good catch. Playback also seems to be disappointing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339173&highlight=video
I wonder if there is any relation.

I cant get the frame rate on my TyTN 2 much above 9 FPS with my Slingbox. Are are and how are people getting these 25 plus frames per second????.
Matt.

Someone please change this thread title to "Low Video Capture Quality" please. lol

Topaz video capturing,What's wrong with HTC

Hello everyone
Seriously whats wrong with HTC?
Same time when all companies try to give a better response to costumers with more improvements ,here we go again.... HTC is just making it worse.
The HTC diamond 2 ( Topaz) is Using the same Camera HTC HD Does. Touch Pro، Diamond and Touch HD all capture videos in CIF Resolution . The new VGA version cut the bit rates to the Half,now Instead of 30 frames per second we have 15.... Is it even funny?
I know its all related to the Software,they easily can solve the problem with an update so what we can do?Im sure they are not going to make such updates.
So any Idea how we can make it?How to tell them?

I dont think it's related to software..
30fps vga movie recording is (640*480)*30fps burst image recording with compression.. So, it's limited by hardware imho..

definitely a hardware issue, not software

DUDE!
if you wana make a film or film things, you shude buy a filmcamera
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!

Zinnix said:
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!
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Thats not completly true, my old N95 8GB had a very good video capture

I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.

Zinnix is right though, if you have aspirations to be a movie maker, buy a proper movie camera................

adesonic said:
Zinnix is right though, if you have aspirations to be a movie maker, buy a proper movie camera................
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I already have one
The problem is they could do it better when previous versions have a better one,anyway leave it because Topaz image capturing satisfies me and that's enough.

peterbonge said:
I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.
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mine too

Zinnix said:
DUDE!
if you wana make a film or film things, you shude buy a filmcamera
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!
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This is complete nonsense. There are a couple of phones (starting with the Nokia N95) which have an excellent video recording quality.
I also get pretty mad at HTC when I compare the SE C905 camera to the HTC Diamond 2 camera. Even the "old" Nokia N95 takes much better pictures than the Diamond 2, I won't even start to mention the much higher shutter release/focus speed of the N95.
As to video PLAYBACK quality, HTC sucks bigtime. I don't know what is wrong with them but most of their newer devices need a lot of tweaking and/or special programs like CorePlayer to be able to playback video files in a decent quality. I know it is a hardware restriction (Qualcomm sucks!) but HTC is to blame for it because this is nothing new and there are thousands of complaints about this on the internet.
Samsung actually proved pretty well that most "issues" on modern Windows Mobile devices aren't caused by Windows Mobile but are limitations induced by the used hardware. Take the Samsung i780 as an example: this device has NO problems whatsoever to playback video files in a decent quality. It uses a Marvell chipset, not Qualcomm. Also look at the decent camera of the Samsung Omnia i900, it may mot beat the Nokia N95 photo quality but it is definetely better than anything HTC has to offer, sad but true.

P996 said:
This is complete nonsense. There are a couple of phones (starting with the Nokia N95) which have an excellent video recording quality.
I also get pretty mad at HTC when I compare the SE C905 camera to the HTC Diamond 2 camera. Even the "old" Nokia N95 takes much better pictures than the Diamond 2, I won't even start to mention the much higher shutter release/focus speed of the N95.
As to video PLAYBACK quality, HTC sucks bigtime. I don't know what is wrong with them but most of their newer devices need a lot of tweaking and/or special programs like CorePlayer to be able to playback video files in a decent quality. I know it is a hardware restriction (Qualcomm sucks!) but HTC is to blame for it because this is nothing new and there are thousands of complaints about this on the internet.
Samsung actually proved pretty well that most "issues" on modern Windows Mobile devices aren't caused by Windows Mobile but are limitations induced by the used hardware. Take the Samsung i780 as an example: this device has NO problems whatsoever to playback video files in a decent quality. It uses a Marvell chipset, not Qualcomm. Also look at the decent camera of the Samsung Omnia i900, it may mot beat the Nokia N95 photo quality but it is definetely better than anything HTC has to offer, sad but true.
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I Second that,but The phone definitions are available on Net before we get a handy so we all knew its nothing new. We are talking about Pocket pcs but As for Multimedia you could wait for Omnia HD which is the king.
I was going to buy Omnia HD but well Its not going to come with windows mobile ,For now Topaz was the best choice for me because i couldn't wait anymore.
For those who can Wait ,We are going to see new generation of pocket pcs within 2 or 3 month so you can wait.

PhilXdaOrbit2 said:
mine too
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Common boys,Doesn't matter where you get it but they are all same. Please read various reviews of Topaz every where and you will see this problem is not just about me.

peterbonge said:
I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.
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Mine only records at just under 20fps. How are you getting 30fps? Is there a tweak or something I'm missing? Thanks
PhilXdaOrbit2 said:
mine too
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How do you tell? I've got it set for VGA but it only records at about 16-19fps.

I've just switched from a N95 to a D2 and the video looks great on the D2 compared to the N95.
I just got my D2 last week so could it be a newer ROM?

WMguy said:
Mine only records at just under 20fps. How are you getting 30fps? Is there a tweak or something I'm missing? Thanks
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I think I can solve this mystery now: The D2 records with variable frame rate. Some programs or tools (like GSpot) are showing only the maximal frame rate, which is indeed 30 fps. Other tools are showing the averaged frame rate. Now I've found a tool called MediaInfo, which shows all frame rates. I've just tested it with a recorded video:
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Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 19.228 fps
Minimum frame rate : 7.500 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.000 fps

peterbonge said:
I think I can solve this mystery now: The D2 records with variable frame rate. Some programs or tools (like GSpot) are showing only the maximal frame rate, which is indeed 30 fps. Other tools are showing the averaged frame rate. Now I've found a tool called MediaInfo, which shows all frame rates. I've just tested it with a recorded video:
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Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 19.228 fps
Minimum frame rate : 7.500 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.000 fps
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It has 5 kind of Resolution:
1- S(128x96)
2-M(176x144)
3-L(320x240)
4-CIF(352x288)
5-VGA(640x480)

payameno said:
It has 5 kind of Resolution:
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What do you want to tell us with this listing? I was talking about the frame rate and not the resolution.

peterbonge said:
What do you want to tell us with this listing? I was talking about the frame rate and not the resolution.
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Each Resolution has its own Frame rate,For VGA its 15 fps

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Each Resolution has its own Frame rate,For VGA its 15 fps
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Have you checked that with MediaInfo? The results I've posted are from a VGA recording.

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Have you checked that with MediaInfo? The results I've posted are from a VGA recording.
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Not actually,Im just saying that as its what GSMArena reviews says.
I think there is something strange here.
How a same VGA Resolution does the recording with such various Frame rates? There is no option to change Rates so basically it just records with an invariable rate which it seems to be 15 fps for the VGA resolution.

30fps Video Record?

Is there a way or tweak to get the camera to record at VGA or WVGA @ 30fps? I have a 14 month old daughter and im constantly taking pics of her for the familly ect and noticed that when recording video the framerate is very laggy or slow motion like. The iphone 3gs records great video quality and the N1 has better specs so id assume higher frame rate on record is possible with the N1 also.
Any thoughts anyone?
Thx Guys!

buy a video camera?

jamesyb0i said:
buy a video camera?
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People trip me out some time with there smart remarks.
If you like carrying around multi devices good for you. I have a stand alone camera that does video record ect but my camera is not ALLWAYS on me.
The same way the Nexus is good for multi media such as mp3 / and watching videos but I dont go buy a PSP or ipod touch for that I use my phone. The point of the high end phones these days is to try to limit carrying multi devices on you at all time.
With all the hacking / ports / tweaks going on just wanted to know if 30fps video record was possible. If you dont know how or dont know what im talking about please do reply with BS. Thanks.

hypersonicx said:
People trip me out some time with there smart remarks.
If you like carrying around multi devices good for you. I have a stand alone camera that does video record ect but my camera is not ALLWAYS on me.
The same way the Nexus is good for multi media such as mp3 / and watching videos but I dont go buy a PSP or ipod touch for that I use my phone. The point of the high end phones these days is to try to limit carrying multi devices on you at all time.
With all the hacking / ports / tweaks going on just wanted to know if 30fps video record was possible. If you dont know how or dont know what im talking about please do reply with BS. Thanks.
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i don't think he was in a bs kinda tone. hard to tell on forums
you'll thank yourself later for using a higher quality camera (dedicated camera) of any kind for videos one day. proud parent here, know whatcha mean about wanting to capture the cool 'new' moments.
now then, as far as recording, i'll bet there are settings you can change for it someday. right now the video quality is pretty darn good. just dumped a couple of videos from mine today. frame rate is quite good, picture clarity good, fps decent.
IF YOU FIND an app or way to up the settings, PLEASE update this thread in your original post.

Yeah, Im not trying to come off negative to anyone. I have a decent standalone camera that can take great pics and video a 10mpiexel cam with ful vga record. With phones tho its so MUCH MUCH MUCH more conveient to beable to snap a picture and have that picture allready able to send as MMS / Email / Up Load to facebook ect...
With the standalone camera I have to take mem card out - load to card reader - copy pics to mem card on my nexus - ect...
Just too many steps. When I had an iphone 3gs for a lmited time I was amazed at the video recording quality from a cell phone.
Now with the nexus with specs better then iphone I dont see why we cant get full 30fps at WVGA or VGA res. With 1ghz CPU and 5mpxl that should be possible right out the box. Seems like its definetly possible and im all for the ability to carry less devices.

it would be great if we could get 30 fps on the nexus. my under powered n97 does 30 fps and its video quality is a step up from my nexus for sure. kinda disappoints me that the video quality isn't just as good as my previous phones.

the moto droid (with lower specs) can do 30fps with some hacking... im sure its some setting in the rom that we can change
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-hacks/19647-increase-camera-video-quality.html

HTC Desire with similar hardware does 30fps.
I don't know if it's HW or SW limitation, though. Did anyone try to record video on Desire ROM and can verify the actual fps?

Well, the Desire ROM allows for WGVA recording. I do not know about all the fps stuff, but I do know that I am recording in WGVA.

You should be able to by modifying the camera driver in the kernel and the build.prop. I'll look into this when I have the time, but I found the line that should control frame rate. A commit says that not all cameras are stable at 30fps, but how's that ever stopped us?

[Q] Slo-Mo video recording on i9000

I was wondering if we could get 640x360 at 120fps video recording without audio on the phone as 1280x720 at 30fps is already there.
So if the phone can process 720p at 30fps then it should also do 640x360 at 120fps or even 320x180 at 240fps(for ultra-slow motion).
If this is possible then we can reduce the video playback framerate to 30fps(on computer or on the phone itself if it is possible) and the video would be in slow motion.
I read that by editing the media_profiles.xml we can tinker with video recording settings, i think it is available on froyo only.
So can the leaked builds for SGS can they be used?
I would be getting the SGS on my birthday so can't try it myself.
Till then i am gathering information on mods that can be done to enhance the android experience.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Utkarsh

I would love this. My girlfriend can do it with her Samsung Wave, too. I'm so jealous
I found the topic in another sub-forum before, but there doesn't seem to be much interest in this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=726111

Bump
Would love this feature too

Im not sure if you can just decrease the pixel and so increase your frames per sec
I think this depends on the camera....
Because if you think backwards... you have 640p at 30fps, and you would turn it in 15fps, the resolution increases ? No, i think the Wave camera simply has this feature to film 120fps....
But please tell me im wrong, because i would also love it !!

I think its true that the camera must support this feature. But it's also about the throughput of data which has a certain maximum. That's why the resolution is reduced a factor 2, and enabling a frame rate of 120 fps, without exceeding the maximum data throughput.
But I also think that if it's possible on a Wave, it must be possible on a Galaxy S. I'm rather convinced they use the same camera, judging from the samples recordings made with both phones.
So hopefully, somebody can jump into this. Or give a real explanation how this slo-mo recodind works.
(Is it really a high shutter speed, and do you need a very highly illuminated object, or do they make use of some interpolation technique?)

Can anybody try!!!!
Can anybody running leaked froyo on SGS try this by editing the media_profiles.xml
i guess it might work as cyanogen mod 6 enabled 720p on the nexus one.
By editing the media_profiles.xml we might get 120fps video which can be slowed on computer(by reducing the video playback to 30fps).
Technically speaking i think it is possible if the camera is not causing a bottleneck, because the data rate at which 720p is encoded is enough for 640x360 at 120fps if we do the math.
So please it is my ernst request to all the pro-mods to try this.

Any news on this matter??
it occured to me that we could extract the cammera app from a samsung wave and translate the slo-motion feature to our i9000... any hint on how to do this??

Months old topic but... BUMP!
Really not fare that WAVE can do it but i9000 cant

What a great idea - although I suspect if it could be done, it would have been already....
Fingers crossed though

[Q] Recording >1080p Video?

Would it be possible to get higher resolution recording than 1080p, as in 2K, QXGA, WQXGA? I know it's not just the software issue. Naturally, the HW must be capable, so let's see first if the camera module could do it.

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Would it be possible to get higher resolution recording than 1080p, as in 2K, QXGA, WQXGA? I know it's not just the software issue. Naturally, the HW must be capable, so let's see first if the camera module could do it.
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Theoretically, I sure do think so (if there's no hardware cap or something we cannot alter). However, you'd most likely have to tweak some stuff, in order go get the required performance from the hardwareside.

The hardware is capable of taking higher resolution photos, but processing would be slow I think. Also, the camera HAL must support it and we can't alter that.
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@Adam77Root @laufersteppenwolf
I've seen this in news.I guess we'd need updated libs but since you guys got camera working with old/new libs, why not give it a shot?
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/add-4k-and-120-fps-to-your-stock-lg-camera/
Even if the hardware is not capable of giving out good fps, I think we could still be able to record 4 k videos at very low FPS.
If you guys can't get this to work, could you atleast tweak the camera to widen ISO values so we get better pictures in the dark? Pretty sure our camera is capable of it and seen some guy doing it for stock ICS camera.He tweaked ISO values and I had tested it.It looked far better compared to stock camera.Unfortunately it's only compatible with ICS.
Even general mobile discovery can take better pictures in the dark and doubt it has a better camera than ours.We just need a few tweaks.

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The hardware is capable of taking higher resolution photos, but processing would be slow I think. Also, the camera HAL must support it and we can't alter that.
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That's my thinking, too. If it were possible, the processing would almost certainly not be handled by camera's hardware. I think it would have to be offloaded to phone's CPU. But, who knows? G2 got 4K with a relatively simple apk modding which means the camera module was hardware-capable to begin with. G Flex, too. Luckily, 4X has the same CMOS as the Nexus 4, Sony's IMX111PQ, and that can be very helpful. Perhaps a new driver is required or just a modded apk, like G2. I'm no dev, so I can't tell or make.
@ottomanhero Sadly, we can't get 4K rec coz CMOS hasn't enough vertical pixels. There's also a problem with encoding the vid on phone's hardware as it would probably be a soft encoder which means the CPU would process it (but that's a huge bite even for the top desktop CPUs). But 2K or 1440p vid might be feasable. Tegra 3 can output up to 2560x1600 meaning we could play it, too, with a normal bitrate.

Well atleast we could improve the ISO range to get better shots under low light conditions.I used to have a phone that's 2 MP and even that one had better pictures in low light conditions.It is proven our cam can handle higher/lower ISO values.We just need some software tweaks.

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Well atleast we could improve the ISO range to get better shots under low light conditions.I used to have a phone that's 2 MP and even that one had better pictures in low light conditions.It is proven our cam can handle higher/lower ISO values.We just need some software tweaks.
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Do you mean this mod?
If someone can give me original V10f camera.tegra.so and libnvmm_camera.so I could take a look at it for JB+.

Adam77Root said:
Do you mean this mod?
If someone can give me original V10f camera.tegra.so and libnvmm_camera.so I could take a look at it for JB+.
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I think I've got an ICS system image somewhere on my HDD sec
BTW, gotta talk to you later regarding cam, 'cause I'm not too sure whether or not my idea can even work...
EDIT: Here you go