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Firstly, let me thank everyone who does all the SUPERB work on this site, developing software, ROMs, and tools that us normal users would otherwise never see...
Here's my problem:
I got a Kaiser with the shipping AT&T ROM on it - I'm in the US.
I wanted to get rid of the bloatware and other crap that AT&T puts on the device, and take it back to an HTC ROM.
The problem is, I can only connect to the EDGE network, and I'm only getting 40-60k transfers - I know that with my Samsung Sync (my previous phone) I was getting 1.3-1.5Mbps using the same site to test (http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed)
Is this a limitation within the HTC ROM? If so, does anyone know if newer HTC ROM's (perhaps even with WM6.1) will fix this problem, or do I HAVE to use an AT&T ROM to access the 3G (HSPDA) network in the US?
Thanks in advance for your time!!!
Do you see the icon 3G and it changes to H once you're accessing the internet? If no, you might want to check if you correctly config the connection.
I myself don't trust http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed when it runs on PIE web browser. I did the benchmark on 2 different types of connection, at&t HSDPA and Verizon FiOS* Wifi, and it comes up nearly the same speed 1.3-1.5Mbps.
*I have 15 Mbps download package.
Yes, it DOES do that (Mr President...lol)
What site do you prefer to test the speed of your 3G connection? I was hoping to use Speedtest.net, but doubt that they support mobile.
So, I guess that you're saying my connection is probably just fine, but that the site is problematic?
Thanks for the quick reply, btw!!
- Mark
I don't pay attention too much on speed. But, there are many ways to confirm that you're connected to 3G network.
If the answer is yes for any question below, then you're 3G.
a. Tethering internet via your PC on "internet sharing" mode and make a call at the same time.
b. Stream any audio broadcast with bitrate above 196Kbps.
Enjoy.
Um, where do you live? Pretty much only the major cities have 3G deployed, and even then, it's no guarantee. I live in Minneapolis where 3G was rolled out last November.
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Um, where do you live? Pretty much only the major cities have 3G deployed, and even then, it's no guarantee. I live in Minneapolis where 3G was rolled out last November.
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I'm in Pittsburgh - I know for certain that I'm in 3G territory, as I just got the Kaiser a few weeks ago, and before that, was using a Samsung Sync tethered to my laptop, and getting 1.3 - 1.5 MBps....
UPDATE
Must have had a lousy signal where I was trying it before - I tried it again, using the same site, and was getting 500-600k - so I guess it's hitting the 3G network, but for some reason, changing the 3G icon to an H, presumably indicating HSPDA.
All's well...can one of the mod's please lock this thread? Thanks!
- Mark
Unfortunately bad news everyone. For some ungodly reason the Diamond is only showing G! Not even Edge! From what HTC is telling me they are only supporting 3G on the 2xxx Mhz band? That makes no sense whatsoever! I am willing to try things if anyone has a suggestion but so far not good! Which is weird because I previously reviewed the original Triband TYTN and that at least did get 3G on and off but always had Edge.
http://mobilitytoday.com/articles/htc_diamond_first_look.html
I don't know why you're not getting edge, thats a an extension of GPRS which works over GSM.
As for 3G/UMTS, it never said it suported anything but 900/2100. There's nothing you can do, HTC already said that there wasnt enough space in the phone for the extra antenna's required to support more frequencies.
isnt edge on 1900 ?
yup it is! I would be willing to look into the registry to see if there is a tweak? Any of you have an idea?
no idea my guess would be try forcing 1900 ?
beyond that i wouldnt know
try different area ?
Edge in the US in most areas is 850Mhz, which is the reason I held off on my purchase of the Diamond.
hmmm
interesting but i had bought a original touch in india and that works in most places that i go in the states and i recieve edge
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Edge in the US in most areas is 850Mhz, which is the reason I held off on my purchase of the Diamond.
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thats the answer ,,, non us versions of diamond don't operate on 850mhz
so dave did u get an hsdpa signal?
and im sorry u in jersey or nyc?
i forgot
sorry but is there a reg edit where he could force the device to look for 850?
just to see if its hidden..then we can find out if they really left out the radio or not...i really wanted to pick one up ...but if it doesnt have 850 its a no go for me...bummer
No HSDPA signal.. All GPRS!!! 7 hours!!! Call quality completely sucks too..
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No HSDPA signal.. All GPRS!!! 7 hours!!! Call quality completely sucks too..
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that blows sorry dave ....so how r u liking the ui any lag?
BTW dave if anyone has that rom of the diamond that was sent out to reviewers (that had the att bands) would be nice
Mine does show the 850Mhz band but thats not the problem the problem is that this phone ONLY supports 3G at the 900 and 2100mhz band.
The UI is very laggy so far. I am going to use it via Wifi and see if that improves the UI. BUT another weird thing is that I just popped my Tmobile sim in and now get Edge?
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Mine does show the 850Mhz band but thats not the problem the problem is that this phone ONLY supports 3G at the 900 and 2100mhz band.
The UI is very laggy so far. I am going to use it via Wifi and see if that improves the UI. BUT another weird thing is that I just popped my Tmobile sim in and now get Edge?
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Tmobile is 1900 only so their EDGE has to be on 1900.
my HSDPA in australia works like a treat and call quality is awesome!
For those who are interested I just posted my first day video feel free in checking it out..
At the begining of your video you say that while a GPRS connection is up your calls go to voicemail? Thats not normal behaviour:
Class A devices, which some new devices are, can make/receive calls without dropping the GPRS connection. Just to be clear, data can still be sent/received over GPRS while you're talkiing.
Class B devices, which all other devices are (except the first few GPRS devices made), can handle GSM and GPRS at the same time, but will drop the GPRS connection while a call comes in, or you make a call. They then resume the GPRS connection after the GSM channel is not in use.
Class C devices, can only handle GSM or GPRS one at a time, and you have to manually switch which mode you want. Only the first few devices ever made or Modem terminals are Class C.
Are you absolutly sure about that behaviour because its not a defined class for GPRS.
PS. best quality video so far. With that great lighting you can see exactly how the 'diamond' is on the back. I think the fact its brand new and super clean also helps
Also it seems significantly faster than the coolsmartphone review.. I guess the extra RAM makes a huge difference.
Has a date been tossed around yet for a possible US friendly version launch? Or is this just another one of those cool phones we won't get to use over here?
I am in the USA .. no phone with only GPRS or Edge can take a phone call while in a data connection.. Only 3G can do this in the USA..
Thank you very much for your kind comments about my video.. We try very hard to deliver a good review. I will continue posting more videos as I continue to use the Diamond.. So far for me this phone in the USA is a dudd..
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At the begining of your video you say that while a GPRS connection is up your calls go to voicemail? Thats not normal behaviour:
Class A devices, which some new devices are, can make/receive calls without dropping the GPRS connection. Just to be clear, data can still be sent/received over GPRS while you're talkiing.
Class B devices, which all other devices are (except the first few GPRS devices made), can handle GSM and GPRS at the same time, but will drop the GPRS connection while a call comes in, or you make a call. They then resume the GPRS connection after the GSM channel is not in use.
Class C devices, can only handle GSM or GPRS one at a time, and you have to manually switch which mode you want. Only the first few devices ever made or Modem terminals are Class C.
Are you absolutly sure about that behaviour because its not a defined class for GPRS.
PS. best quality video so far. With that great lighting you can see exactly how the 'diamond' is on the back. I think the fact its brand new and super clean also helps
Also it seems significantly faster than the coolsmartphone review.. I guess the extra RAM makes a huge difference.
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I am in the USA .. no phone with only GPRS or Edge can take a phone call while in a data connection.. Only 3G can do this in the USA..
Thank you very much for your kind comments about my video.. We try very hard to deliver a good review. I will continue posting more videos as I continue to use the Diamond.. So far for me this phone in the USA is a dudd..
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well i hate to say it but you should have read up on the specs before you bought it, the phone itself isnt a dud. The DIAM200 will work on 3G 850Mhz in the states and will be released in a few weeks
Hi all i have the touch diamond(t-mobile type)
Its says rated at 7.2 but here is the question, i have web and walk plus so use the phone by plugging it into my laptop to get on the net.
Is if faster to get one of t-mobile`s usb stick`s mobile broadband modem or is the phone just as fast?
Thanks Dave
Don't know how fast the sticks get, but I easily get 200kbyte/sec with the phone on bluetooth ... I really don't NEED more to browse while travelling
If you use the phone via USB and use HSDPA I think they would be pretty much the same? why don't you test and let us all know how the diamond performs against a dedicated HSDPA/3G dongle? I don't think you max the Diamonds potential under good conditions via Bluetooth.
Since T-Mo don't have full 7.2MB HSDPA, it shouldn't make much difference.
The speeds are more likely to be dependant on what signal you can get that on the hardware itself, as most (if not all) operators do not have support for the latest HSDPA/HSUPA speeds.
T-mobile says there speeds will be fast very soon, i cant do a speed test on both as i dont have the usb type modem.
Web and walk plus added to your phone is @ £12.50 per month but if you buy a usb modem the cost is £15 a month,
yeah its only £2.50 more a month and less messing about with separate units so might go down that route if speeds are not much different.
Dave
Here in Denmark on 3 network, you are actually given a lower speed on your mobile simcard.
I had only 200kb download, and called my provider (3) and complained about the speed, and they changed my speed. So now I have around 2Mb download instead.
Maybe íts the same for other providers as well?
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Here in Denmark on 3 network, you are actually given a lower speed on your mobile simcard.
I had only 200kb download, and called my provider (3) and complained about the speed, and they changed my speed. So now I have around 2Mb download instead.
Maybe íts the same for other providers as well?
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I also use 3 but in sweden and here they have a maximum dlspeed of 0.384mbps as a default but you can upgrade it to 7.2mbps down and 0.384 up for the same amount you pay for a dongle and then get an unlimited dataplan.
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As far as I know the Diamond supports speed up to 7.2 so I'd say that if all you do on internet is browsing, mailing, IM, and downloading you shouldn't have any problems with using your phone. (I even tried using mine for gaming and even though i ping high on css I'm able to play strategy games without probs..)
Hi all,
I've got the following problem with my XDA Diamond (O2 Germany).
- To establish a connection, first the 3G connection is enabled. After the 3G connection is up, it switches to HSDPA ("H" icon).
- Now everything works fine, no latencies and fine transfer speed.
- After a certain idle time (surfing...), the H disappears again and is exchanged by the 3G.
- When I try to download data again, it switches back to "H".
=> Then, huge latencies occur (up to 1 min. before data are received), the connection speed slows down dramatically or no more data is received at all.
I first thought of issues with my ROM (Bepe 0.99) or my RadioROM (.05). But after flashing to Aztor V7 and RadioROM .08, I'm afraid I have hardware troubles as the problem persists.
Now my questions: Did anybody here have the same problem? If yes, could you fix it? If yes, how? ;-)
Would be nice if you could help me. It would be really annoying to RMA the device...
Thanks for your help in advance!
Regards,
eypostel
That could be because you device disconnected from the net (thus it switched from H to 3G), and it take time for it to reconnect to the net.
Thanks for your hint, but I think this behaviour is not normal...
Even the connection cold start (establishing 3G connection, then switch to HSDPA) is faster and before, the connection was working fine:
When in 3G mode the connection was required, the icon changed to "H" within one second, and the data transfer started immediately.
Now, it takes about ~30 s before the first life sign, and then data reception is not even guaranteed.
Regards,
eypostel
Please look here -> http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=132807
Thx prodigy7, this topic exactly describes my problem...
I have a question regarding this HSDPA idle bug. Turning off HSDPA should bring relief, but my MDA Compact IV does not have the HSDPA-switch. Can anybody have a look in their registry which values are changed when HSDPA is switched off on an XDA or HTC device?
It is easy, simply save a copy of the registry with PHM RegEditor before and after the change. Then compare both files with a file comparison editor (PSPad or TotalCommander for desktop PCs does the job).
This is so ridiculous... I have bought a HSDPA-device (Touch Pro) because I wanted to use HSDPA a lot... and it doesn't work at all... this was my first and last HTC device... I have invested 600€ for a piece of crap.
The Diamond does HSDPA just great, however your service provider must support it. In the UK T-Mobile supports it on their Web 'n' walk Plus and Max services. If you have normal web 'n' walk you can see the H and connect using HSDPA but its throttled.
Nothing to do with the device, just the service provider. It also depends on coverage. For example, when at home I get a H with 2 bars. When driving to work I loose that and get 3G and then eventually just G. Because my provider doesnt have HSDPA coverage where I work.
To turn HSDPA on and off easily use a cooked rom, i use Duttys. Very close to the original and tweaked just a little.
Did you read the german thread linked above? I guess not because what you wrote is wrong.
It is correct that the problem only exists if you use htc devices in the O2-HSDPA-Network. But: the problem only exists with HTC-devices in the O2-network. I am able to use any other (non-HTC) phone that supports HSDPA with the same sim-card successfully in the O2-network. And I am also able to surf using HSDPA with my HSPDA-Surfstick in the O2-HSDPA-Network. This means: the problem is not the network, it is the device (=HTC).
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means: the problem is not the network, it is the device (=HTC).
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If it was that simple then none of us would be able to use HSDPA on our TD, but most of us can. I can use it on my TD on Orange in the UK and other networks including O2 when I am roaming in Europe and, for that matter South Africa (not sure about Germany). So the problems probably lies with the interaction between them, rather than solely the "fault" of one or other.
Seriously, sometimes people can be a bit absurd. 3G & HSDPA are standardized communication protocols. This means that there can be little (no?) device-to-device OR network-to-network variation with regards to the integral working of 3G. The context and application might vary and impact performance, though. For instance if a device is not supplying enough power to its 3G chip, signal acquisition might be slow and strength weak.
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the problem only exists with HTC-devices in the O2-network.
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I highly doubt the existence of a bug limited to a single network and device brand. By the way the Qualcom chipsets (which incl. the 'radio chip') are not specific to HTC and many companies (incl. Kyocera, Motorola, Sharp, Sanyo, LG and Samsung) feature them. The specific Diamond Qualcomm chipset (MSM720xA) also features in the G1, Xperia, Motorola Atilla & Alexander, LG Incite and MANY others.
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I am able to use any other (non-HTC) phone that supports HSDPA with the same sim-card successfully in the O2-network.
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I seriously doubt that. To prove this, you would need to test EVERY single 3G phone that has ever existed with the network. Which is, quite frankly, impossible.
Like I mentioned earlier (ct. 1st paragraph) context and application might influence performance. Maybe you're just not in an area with sufficient coverage, maybe your specific device has a design flaw or malfunction. Whatever the problem is, I'm pretty damn sure that it's not "HTC-devices don't work on O2".
I use the german o2 internet pack L and I have the same problem. Seems to be an o2 issue.
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I use the german o2 internet pack L and I have the same problem. Seems to be an o2 issue.
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That is a much more feasible scenario. Any other O2 users have this problem?
I totally agree with H3x. You say the problem is only HTC devices on O2 so therefore its a device problem. but surely as the problem only exists on O2 its an O2 problem? Every other network in the world seems to be fine. Did you test any other devices with your SIM and network or are you just reading whats on the internet and taking it as true. As we all know, the interwebs is never wrong.
But, your obviously not happy with your diamond so throw it away, go and buy a nokia.
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Did you test any other devices with your SIM and network or are you just reading whats on the internet and taking it as true.
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Seems like the HTC-homies in this forum are not willing to read what I wrote before and keep asking the same stuff again and again. I mean, I wrote in the previous linked post all details that you are asking again here...
I'm outta here and will keep at the german forums where people are not constantly trying to convince me that I am stupid...
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I highly doubt the existence of a bug limited to a single network and device brand.
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You're right of course. The bug mentioned here is not limited to a single brand nor a single network. But it seems to be limited to specific Qualcomm chipsets. According to numerous reports in German user boards all (?) devices using MSM7501A (HTC Touch Diamond, Touch Pro), MSM7200A (SE Xperia X1) and MSM7201A (HTC Touch HD) have trouble reconnecting from HSDPA-idle in German O2 network. Doing some research on the web I found similar reports from Swiss Orange users.
From my experience as a German O2 user: An idle HSDPA connection switches back from "H" to "3G" after 25 seconds. If you then send a new request, e.g. tapping a link in your browser, the connection indicator of your device changes to "H" again, but most of the time the connection hang up. You have to manually disconnect and reconnect... Switching off HSDPA/HSUPA gives you a stable 3G connect, however limited to basic 3G speed. Another workaround is to frequently ping around, a 10 to 15 second intervall does the job. With pushmail or some IM messenger active it may work, too.
That's my experience with the SE Xperia. And it's definitely not a local network issue nor temporary - I'm using a Palm Treo pro, too, without any problems at all. AFAIK the Palm also is a HTC device running on a Qualcomm chipset, the MSM7201 without an "A".
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joschi
Having slight issues with my note on vodafone Uk, whenever I try to browse the internet and the 3g sign in status bar shows weboages don't load at all, when the H is showing bam they load really fast, and even when the E is showing they load but slowly, which is to be expected with edge. So why wouldn't it be loading when on 3g? Have I got some setting wrong on the phone?
HSDPA is faster than 3G.
3G (3rd Generation of Telecommunication Standards) is a standard of cellular connectivity which allows for speeds of up to 384 Kb/s downstream and 64 Kb/s upstream. 3G HSDPA is a 3G enhancement. HSDPA (High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) is a new mobile data protocol and is sometimes referred to as a 3.5G. Theoretically, HSDPA speeds can reach 3.6 Mbps downstream and 348 Kbps upstream. But the purpose of putting both on a smartphones is to make sure that your phone get internet access even when the other one is not available or have no access
possibly an issue with vodafone, have you contacted them to see if there are any issues?
as for the above post, totally irrelevant and hsdpa wil lgo alot faster than 3.6
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possibly an issue with vodafone, have you contacted them to see if there are any issues?
as for the above post, totally irrelevant and hsdpa wil lgo alot faster than 3.6
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Yeah they seems to think my sim card needed resetting, but hasn't made a difference, still does it. Hopefully someone has the same issues with a work around searched the net for hours, with not effect. The other weird thing is if its stuck on 3g and not loading I usually disable data on power button menu then er enable and H usually comes back and it works again, even if I turn it to GSM only in network setting, so Edge is only possible it works fine also just takes ages to load any pages which is annoying!
how long you had the sim card? it might be a provisioning issue with it
You think? Well I've had it a few years now like, 3 I think.
Vodafone SIM card works fine in my Note (SIM free from Germany).
I'd suggest try your SIM card with a different phone and try a different SIM card in your Note if possible to see if the fault is with your SIM card or Note.
P.S. Are you using any custom ROM? Could be a problem there.
No I'm on stock rom kka, yeah sure its something today with network or sim card, just rang them to get a new similar. Hopefully that will sort it out.
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Fixed my issue, turns out it was happening a lot with people who have the galaxy s2, needed to enter code *#301279#, and release 5 hspa only, then disable fast dormancy mode on the phone, now I'm getting fast 3g everywhere :-D
It does say 3g and not just g?
if youre in the uk and only getting edge or gprs it may not be the phones fault.
I had a similar issue, we all assume we can get full 3G everywhere, not necessarily.
To solve this you need to buy the Vodafone sure signal box, it basically plugs into your home broadband router and then transmits full 3g around your house to whatever numbers you register on the box, including dongles.
The whole family can use it as you can register 32 numbers into it.
Cost about £50 new, i have a BNIB never been used or taken out of the box new one here, up for sale as it happens for £25.
Anyone interested should PM me....
Or you could just use wifi as you are at home anyway.
As I said sorted the issue it had something to do with the phone locking into search for hspa, and not reverting back to 3g when there wasn't any hspa signal. Apparently its a problem Samsung are working on. But the little fix of only scanning for 3g works for now, and I did a bandwidth test on hepatitis, and 3g, and 3g was actually faster. So not bothered.
Great find bud u should start another thread explaining the steps in a guide cause this is great info for Vodafone UK users
Sent from the HD2's closest replacement, the Samsung Galaxy Note