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So I've been playing around with the GPS features with BeeLineGPS and GPS Tuner. I'm more interested in gathering data for import into Google Earth or other programs to show where I've been and stats like altitude, speed, distance for biking, running, snowboarding, etc.
I haven't used these programs with any other WM device, but the data from the TyTN looks suspect. The altitude and speed readings are way off, a recent mountain bike ride has me topping out at +250 mph.
So anybody else tried out the GPS for these purposes? BeeLineGPS seems the best so far as it exports .gpx, .kml and .csv files. GPS Tuner has a nice interface but without data export it's kinda useless.
Attached is a file of a data sample from BeeLine, you can import the file at http://utrack.crempa.net/ and see the map on Google and stats (bad stats).
thats probably your the software your using not being compatible with wm6. ive found the TYTN II's gps to be very accurate
dolbe said:
thats probably your the software your using not being compatible with wm6. ive found the TYTN II's gps to be very accurate
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What software are you using? For the record Google Maps pinpoints the location exactly. I haven't tried TomTom, but I'm not really interested in street navigation.
im using tomtom right now, i plan on testing other gps programs aslo, ive got igo, destinator, route66. ive got to see if i can transfer my gps tuner over to ths mobile so i can test that aslo.
i do try to test as many apps as i can on a new device to see just what i can and cannot use
I'm a software developer and I have written a VB.NET application that runs on WM6 that sucks the raw data from COM4 (the GPS port) and I can also confirm that it is very accurate. (OK, within 2 metres if you want to be precise).
It pumps out a lot of data but the interesting one is the $GPRMC line which shows you mainly your position and speed.
The only gripe I had was when I had the phone brand new it took over 15 minutes to lock and from then onwards about 8 seconds
The 15 min is about the norm, it has to download the entire atlas. It's only once in the device's lifetime, and for some devices it's already done by somebody else trying the device or by manufacturer.
I noticed like most that the assisted GPS is switched off be default out of the box. I decided to switch it on today and while using Tomtom I noticed every 2-3 seconds the gps signal would come on and off. It was just as though the GPS receiver did not exist. I tried a soft reset without luck. As soon as I disabled AGPS, Tomtom functioned perfectly.
Any suggestion on what could be the cause or did HTC deliberately disable AGPS because there is some problem with it?
Thanks
could someone possibly swtich on their assisted GPS and let me know if it holds the sats with tomtom
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could someone possibly swtich on their assisted GPS and let me know if it holds the sats with tomtom
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Have just done as requested on my device (using Advanced Config to enable it) and can confirm I see identical results as you;
- Assisted turned OFF (out of box): works fine
- Assisted turned ON: works for a few seconds, "No GPS device", works for a few seconds, "No GPS device", and so on
Also, I have found that no matter whether the above is turned on or off I am unable to get a position fix indoors (ie. next to window) - something I believe A-GPS was supposed to be able to do?
Very strange.. not least that it is disabled out of the box? Ideas anyone?
I've just received my diamond so I haven't tried it outdoors yet, but I can confirm that it's practically impossible to get a signal indoors with a-gps on. I turned it on first, so haven't tried it when it was off. Other gps receivers didn't have that much trouble to get reception near the windows. Will test some more outdoors with gpstuner which shows some more info than tomtom.
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I noticed like most that the assisted GPS is switched off be default out of the box. I decided to switch it on today and while using Tomtom I noticed every 2-3 seconds the gps signal would come on and off. It was just as though the GPS receiver did not exist. I tried a soft reset without luck. As soon as I disabled AGPS, Tomtom functioned perfectly.
Any suggestion on what could be the cause or did HTC deliberately disable AGPS because there is some problem with it?
Thanks
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I agree with you as well. Today I was using Destinator 7 and had the exact same problems. It's like instead of using sat navigation, it's using the GSM signal and thus the map moves every 100-200 meters after the car has passed. Once the A-GPS is off, the program is flawless
Where do I turn on A-GPS? Is it the same as QuickGPS?
Same problem I had when I tweaked with Advanced Config... quickly figured that was the cause and turned it off.
It's quite quick and acceptable with sat locking so its no biggie.
I also think that the program that comes with the diamond to download a map of the sats helps a lot more then agps.
testing on my D-nd with TT and Garmin
it will work if you set the baud rate in TT to 2400. Otherwise turn agps off and it works at the regular setting. Haven't really notices a difference in performance one way or another.
jehlinger said:
it will work if you set the baud rate in TT to 2400. Otherwise turn agps off and it works at the regular setting. Haven't really notices a difference in performance one way or another.
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Thanks for the above tip.
Have just made the baud rate change, and will test whether or not it works for me on my way home this evening.
However what I can report is that I am unable to get any 'lock' indoors (however approximate - ie. TomTom is reporting the normal "no valid GPS signal"), this being one of the benefits I thought A-GPS brought (ie. using phone mast information to provide an approximate fix when normal GPS was unavailable / weak). Has anyone actually provided the "A-" is providing benefit???
Well, I don't get it. When you setup the internal gps on Tomtom Navigator 7, you set it to internal gps receiver i guess. Doing it this way don't give you the option to configure the baud rate or so.
Setting it up like this, and i guess this is the correct way, you can't use asissted gps. You can get a signal from the gps, but it keeps on dropping it.
Hopefully there will be a fix for this problem. Till now, if you completely disable a-gps, e.g. through advanced config, it all works perfectly.
Can someone please help me?
I have tried these programs:
Tomtom 6
Tomtom 7
GPSdash
BeeLineGPS
WMMiniGPS
GPS tuner
Google maps
I'm using the latest TLR ROM. My GPS setting are default. Com4 Baud rate: 4800.
Here's the problem. The programs seem to find the receiver and seem to find the satellites. (10-15). But I can get absolutely no signal at all. Indoors or outdoors.
I'm getting quite desperate
Have you used any of the tweaks for GPS? I ask as I did but my signal kept dropping - so I turned the tweak off and now it is fine.
I would also suggest using the QuickGPS application to get the Satellite information quicker
I've tried disabling agps. Didn't help. And yes I have used QuickGPS... but no luck.
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Was it the first try? When I tried first it was 6-8 minutes. Where do you try? In the outdoor?
Have you ever used it?
TB
Do you have correct setting "GPS is managed automatically" ?
When I set to GPS is managed manually, I could not found any way to power on builtin GPS. You have to check box "GPS is managed automatically". I think, it may be point of your problem
I had the exact same issue dude... TomTom 6 didn't work so I installed TomTOm 7... still no signal... even with QuickGPS ran...
Google Maps didn't work either....
I'm not sure what I did in the end... took out the battery, set GPS to 'let windows manage automatically' and ran Quick GPS again.. then run TomTOm 7, go to the 'GPS Status' screen which shows the sat signal charts and stand in a wide open area for 5 mins.. ever since then it has worked fine
all the best.
btw you have to make sure your system date and time are accurate coz otherwise it'll be searching for Sats with a wrong reference to the Sat almanac..
Yes, it's set to manage automatically. I've been trying to get a signal by the window, I left the device just sitting there for more than a half hour and still nothing. I guess I'll have to try longer while being outdoors. Hope it helps... but thanks for your help.
I did that too and it didn't work for me. You have to be outside for the 1st time GPS fix and make sure you run QuickGPS before that. Ohh yeah use TomTom 7 to detect the signal... I find that the most reliable somehow... and be sure it's configured to use the built-in GPS receiver...
I know it feels odd... I nearly sent my unit back for warranty because I was very convinced that the patch antenna was somehow disconnected from the chip. lol.
I had the same issue at one point, due to my fiddling and inadequate hacking attempts!
see if you can track down the HTC GPS tool (it's here on XDA somewhere, but i can't find a link at the mo) and run that.
Chipset should be set to Q7200 (yes i know its actually a 7201A but it works the same) and com port to com 4.
Tap the open port button and you should see the GOS info scrolling through the grey window in the program.
If you see nothing, check the external GPS settings
program tab should be com 4
hardware tab should be non and 4800
last tab should be ticked.
if you still get no GPS info scrolling through the gps tool, then it seems you have the same problem i did. Sadly, i had to hard reset it to get it working again, but it has been perfect ever since.
FYI, this started happening once i had turned aGPS on, and even turning it off did not work for me, so if you have to hard reset, i wouldn't bother ever turning the aGPS on again.
where's the option to turn aGPS on/off?
I just remembered how I resolved my issue... I put a SIM card in I had previously been trying to use it with WiFi (to update QuickGPS) but once I had a SIM in there, the GPS worked. Could it be because I'm now using aGPS? hmm...
you need to install schaps advanced config tool to get to the setting to turn aGPS on and off again.
it seems to be off by default btw.
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you need to install schaps advanced config tool to get to the setting to turn aGPS on and off again.
it seems to be off by default btw.
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I also kept lossing the GPS signal with this on every few seconds. So I turned it off for good
did you maybe install voip on your diamond? If so that's your problem there. Hard reset you diamond don't install voip en there you go.
It worked! Thank you all.... I had to sit for half an hour in direct sunlight but it was well worth it... I'm new to gps... do you have to do this with every new gps receiver or is this just another great feature from HTC?
I'm, having the same probelm here.
I'm on my second diamond as the first one (a HK version) had a fault with the internal speeker. On the First phone the internal GPS worked fine with both TOMTOM 6 and Google maps. The initial setup only took about 30 secs.
With the new phone (UK spec) I have tried TT7, TT6 and Google maps. I have also run quiick GPS, hard reset and enabling and disabling assisted GPS using the advanced config tool.
Is there anything else I should try or is this likely to be another hardware issue?
Solution To Gps Problem
if you installed VOIP you should hard reset...gps dead...:-( no other solution.
Help! My Diamond GPS reception is MUCH worse than on my Touch Cruise
Hi,
I've just got a Touch Diamond, and the GPS reception is absolutely appalling. I have hard-reset twice, after which I've done nothing except download a QuickGPS update, but still the signal strength and its ability to connect to satellites is completely inconsistent and unreliable, even outdoors. I CAN get a good signal occasionally, but it's very rare. Most often I get no GPS signals whatsoever, or else I get just a couple of weak greyed-out signal bars in TomTom.
I can lay my Diamond down next to my Touch Cruise (both have identical TomTom 6 software loaded from the same CAB), and the Cruise always launches the app faster, finds the GPS device faster, AND finds adequate satellites faster. The Touch Cruise has a lot of problems, but the one thing it has always been very good at is GPS, and it has NEVER failed to find adequate satellites in TomTom 6, even indoors. It always takes well under a minute to do so, too. It's surely not unreasonable to expect at least the same level of performance from the next generation of device. Why should the Diamond's GPS performance be demonstrably so much worse?!!
Nine times out of ten, my Touch Diamond will simply sit there for an hour or more with the TomTom status bar reading 'Waiting for valid GPS signal...". Quite often when I open the GPS configuration option in TT6, it shows absolutely NO SHRED of a GPS signal whatsoever, even outdoors. (My Diamond and my Cruise have identical GPS settings in both Windows and TomTom, by the way).
The annoying thing is that the Diamond's GPS HAS worked on a couple of rare occasions, and the signal strength has been at least as good as on my Touch Cruise. The Diamond is much worse at holding the signal however, and is totally and utterly unreliable for navigation. It certainly isn't the 'Ultra-sensitive GPS' that HTC's marketing promised - it's nowhere near as good as the GPS on the Cruise, which is the previous generation! The Diamond's GPS DOES work well on very rare occasions - it's just that 95 times out of 100, I'm not getting anything at all. This makes me wonder if it isn't a WM 6.1 compatibility problem or a conflict of some kind. It's almost as if Windows is having difficulty activating/waking the GPS fully. When (and if) it finally gets going, reception is actually very good.
I have also downloaded the HTC GPS Tool as someone here suggested, and it reveals the same results as TomTom - I usually get either no satellites at all, or I get two or three red satellite status bars and a message saying 'Fix not available'. It ALWAYS shows a data stream coming from COM4 though, so there doesn't seem to be any problem actually finding the GPS device. On the rare occasions when I have got a usable GPS signal, the HTC Tool then shows two or three red status bars and three or four green ones as well. During those rare periods, Google Maps can also find anything from three to ten satellites, even indoors. However, the next few times I try the Diamond's GPS, nothing will happen at all - it's suddenly as if all the satellites have fallen out of the sky.
By the way, would QuickGPS make ANY difference on the Diamond? As other have pointed out, aGPS is disabled on the Diamond by default. Aren't QuickGPS and aGPS the same thing? I don't know. But if so, surely the QuickGPS data is useless on the Diamond?
Does anyone have ANY idea how to make GPS on the Diamond work as well as it does on the Touch Cruise? Does anyone know why it doesn't already? Has anyone else done a direct comparison between the Diamond and another HTC device using the same GPS software?
I really like the Diamond, but it's incredibly frustrating that the GPS is unreliable to the point of being unusable. At the moment, I'm having to carry the Cruise for GPS navigation and the Diamond for everything else! Certainly not what I paid for. It should do this stuff straight out of the box. Since it doesn't, I can only assume my device is faulty so if I can't get it fixed by the weekend, I'm returning it for a replacement.
Thanks,
Rob.
P.S. Sorry for such a long post, but I needed to vent.
Hi there, I'm having the same problem as RH Photography.
All the programs are trying to communicate, but no fix at all. Once I got a fix, but only 4 sattelites, when in my car GPS BT had fixed to 9!
Will try hard reset and install HTC GPS tool an try to fix
Hi,
I bought my Xperia 1 day ago, it's really good device. But I'm having some problems with GPS. Google maps starts to scanning for satellites for ages and never stops. I also tried the "Chartcross Gps Test" program and it finds the gps but it's always on "GPS Starting up" status.
Does anybody nows how to test it ? Or if there is something that i have to enable first? (all the configs are default - like in a hard reset)
It should work straight out the box. Try the quick GPS download in the Programs>tools folder. Downloads the locations of the satalites for the next week to the phone. Since using this, tomtom7 can find my loction in seconds (literrally)
Have you been trying it inside a building? In that case it won't work. I had the same thing with the GPS. In a building there is no connection to satelites, works perfectly though outside and from within a car.
Tomorrow I try google maps.
However I use tomtom. Befor all download effimeral with quick gps.
First of Xperia I have a Polaris. Xperia gps is much better than polaris. And polaris has a very good gps....
Tomtom7
Where did u get the Tomtom7 software for the xperia. A friend of my using his tomtom device and it works really fine! So on my X1 it would be really great if i can use it too!
I don't rememder now, but you can use Diamond tt7. It work fine.
ah thank you! but i can't find the file. could you post me the link for download pls
To test GPS use GPS Test from ChartCross. It's a great, free utility.
http://www.chartcross.co.uk/products/WM00002_details.asp
thank you! ....
Now it's working fine. I have to test it with tomtom later, but with google maps is Ok now. I followed buckle247 and Dryw Filtiarn tips. Now it finds the satellites very quick.
Just one question, google maps requires internet connection and how about TomTom?
One thing that i noticed is that the GPS sometimes doesn't "turn on", because either Chartcross or GoogleMaps can't find the GPS device, however if i turn off and turn on Xperia it finds. Is it normal?
kotarou TomTom doesn't need to run over GPRS as the maps are all stored on the Memory Card, however if you subscribe to traffic data then that will need a GPRS connection.
Also every so often I get the "No GPS Device" sometimes just leaving the phone for a minute makes it appear, other times a soft reset.
Cannot install GpsTest
Hi, I tried to install GpsTest on Windows Vista, but it doesn't work, since GpsTest installer requires ActiveSync. But Activesync refuses to install on Windows Vista, because there is another SmartPhone software.
Does anyone know another versione of GpsTest, compatible with Vista, or a version installable directly on the X1?
Thanx!
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Hi,
I bought my Xperia 1 day ago, it's really good device. But I'm having some problems with GPS. Google maps starts to scanning for satellites for ages and never stops. I also tried the "Chartcross Gps Test" program and it finds the gps but it's always on "GPS Starting up" status.
Does anybody nows how to test it ? Or if there is something that i have to enable first? (all the configs are default - like in a hard reset)
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If your 3G data is switched off, then you won't be charged for anything. GPS won't charge you as it is tracking signals from satellites, much like a Sat Nav.
Hello all,
My GPS was working just fine with several applications like GPSed, the 'new' experia camera with geotagging and so on. Recently I installed CoPilot Live 8 and now wm is not allocating the right port to be used for GPS. Sometimes it just activates my bluetooth. I reset my device to its manufacturer defaults, but still it's not very stable. I also opened a ticket with ALK (CoPilot) support, but I'm hoping that someone has a tip on how I can restore wm. If I let wm manage my GPS settings, most appliactions, do not get the GPS signals. Google maps seems actually be the only one still working, meaning my GPS is not physically broken.
Is there any way I can tweak wm6.1 again so that it will find the correct comport to use for the GPS?
Hope anyone can help as this is quite annoying.
Thanks in advance,
Dan.
There is setting for that. It's called External GPS.
You can set which comport will internal GPS use there too, it's the first page.
Also each GPS application should at least have settings for selection the com port. Some even support native WM api.
Thanks
Thanks for your reply.
I tried that and GPS should be working on com4, but still I got issues with some applications I didn't use to have (gps related).
I will try to seek if there is another com port wich will work fine for all app's.
I was hoping I could keep it as being 'managed' by wm.
Thanks again for your reply!
Dan.
I don't understand that well too .. anyway here is my theory.
Managed by windows may mean two things.
1) Special treatment of com port. Normally only one application can use one com port. And you sometimes want to use more apps form GPS at once. So this specially handles the com port of GPS so it is available multiple times. You can turn this on on third tab of the GPS settings app mentioned above.
2) Using WM driver for GPS, not com port. There is something like that, Google maps can use port or 'windows managed', also Garmin software has either com or 'GPS intermediate driver'. Anyway this is set on application side. When you use this, no com port matters. However if you use com port, it must be the same number as preset on GPS settings, standard is com 4.
There are also other problem with GPS. Try this app:
http://www.chartcross.co.uk/products/WM00002_details.asp
It's simple GPS tester. Try that first, it finds the port and baud-rate of com connected GPS.
Also sometimes GPS does not work in any program, and it can be fixed by forcing re-download of Quick GPS data. Once I had situation where GPS kept loosing signal every 5 seconds, and forced re-download fixed it. So the Quick GPS data can get somehow bad, and it may cause problems too.