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Kaser overclock

Which software to use?

In my humble opinion: None......for the Qualcomm there is no software availalble to overclock it....but in time it will come...

try this out guys. application specific.

All this seems to be doing is to change the priority of the threads running certain applications. It does not overclock the CPU like OMAP did.

anyway does this work?
or its like the sktools optimization?

Any progress out there on a safe program to overclock a Kaiser? WM6 is definitely faster than WM5, but alot slower than my old Palm OS Treos.
thanks,
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I'm also waiting for a piece of software that will allow me to overclock my Kaiser, but still there is no progress at all. As they say - patience is gods' virtue (-:

has anyone tried htc performance?
I believe I read helmi had a hand in creating it???I know this has been used on a few different devices and is very low on batti draw but no one quite knows how it works.Really makes a difference on my device but Im not sure if it would be safe to use or even work with the proccessor on the kaiser.

With the battery life as borderline as it is with the Tilt/Kaiser, I'd shy away from overclocking. You'll get lightening fast speed for the 5 minutes of battery life

ya but...
ya but... with the video drivers we're missing and an overclocker the phone would be lightning quick.Also I was reading that the reality is with the right programmers the next gen phones kaiser , dream and a few others a playstation 2 emulator on the ppc would be possible. imagine being on a plane cut off 3g and phone functions and play ps2 games on your phone. plus with extended and/or extra batteries that are now becoming available...

I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion

punkhawaiian said:
I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).

The prophet is slower in my opinion, I don't own a Kaiser, but whenever i use it everything happens faster than on my overclocked WM6 Prophet (overclocked to 286MHz normally).

How does the speed compare to the TyTN, mine should be here on Wednesday... I can't wait!

someone found a tool that really works ?

WOW! and I thought we had enough problem threads on here with overheat and battery deaths!
Look out for many more!!

I upgraded to kaiser from a Tmob Wing, for that I played with an overclocker called Fl0wt. Which did seem to work BUT the battery becames a flamethrower of heat and the battery life was sucked away in no time. this wasnt a big clock speed step either. The parts just arnt suited for the additional heat it seems. plus it felt dangerously hot...like "hit the dirt its going to blow" hot. not worth the risk in my oppinion...but hey thats just me

Can you post a link to "Fl0wt" ive searched far and wide and found nothing. Please post a link.
Cheers !

dizzy33 said:
Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Cybersaurus
Warfare Inc
Machines at War
Bejeweled 2
Zuma
Ackys XP Breakout
Shattered Worlds
Call of Duty 2
Darxide EMP
gfDoom
Fast Future Race
G-Prime Extreme
Interstellar Flames
Skyforce Reloaded
Quake & Quake 2
Sinbad Return of the Legends
Flux Challenge
Is this a good enough sample for you?
THE KAISER NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A VGA DEVICE. IT IS STRICTLY QVGA....NOW GET OVER IT!!!
I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.

MACkjam said:
I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Call of Duty 2
Is this a good enough sample for you?
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I have Call of Duty 2 too, and it's really slow on the Kaiser compared to other devices. You should see how it runs on other PPC's...
MACkjam said:
I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I have an T-mobile Kaiser and it's definitely not much faster than a Magician. The difference is really, really small.
And we're referring to the fact that there are no drivers for the ATI Imageon hardware. Thanks to this, everything needs to be rendered by the CPU.

Weird Gaming

So i was checking out my 8525 and Tilt yesterday and was comparing the two a little by playing games. So i went to open up morphgear (emulator) and opened up the aladin rom on both. For one, gaming is a lot nicer on the 8525 for two reasons: one it has the PIE and message button on the top so you can play it like a GBA. Two, the speed was great. I was really sruprised at this one. I went to play the same game and to my surprise, it was a lot slower. I went and compared the settings and they were exactly the same. I thought for sure that the Tilt would play better because of the more ram/rom and better processor. To my surprise, it lagged. I don't think this is part of the driver thing everybody is talking about, it works great, it just runs too slow. Anybody else getting this? It's also a lot harder to play since the PIE and messaging button are on the dpad so you can't play horizontally. So if you have emulators on your kaiser, i'd like to hear the performance and how you play (controls). Thanks.

kareem9nba said:
I don't think this is part of the driver thing everybody is talking about, it works great, it just runs too slow.
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It is indeed due to the drivers everyone is talking about. Just like if you try running a 3D game on software rendering, instead of DirectX.

kareem9nba said:
So i was checking out my 8525 and Tilt yesterday and was comparing the two a little by playing games. So i went to open up morphgear (emulator) and opened up the aladin rom on both. For one, gaming is a lot nicer on the 8525 for two reasons: one it has the PIE and message button on the top so you can play it like a GBA. Two, the speed was great. I was really sruprised at this one. I went to play the same game and to my surprise, it was a lot slower. I went and compared the settings and they were exactly the same. I thought for sure that the Tilt would play better because of the more ram/rom and better processor. To my surprise, it lagged. I don't think this is part of the driver thing everybody is talking about, it works great, it just runs too slow. Anybody else getting this? It's also a lot harder to play since the PIE and messaging button are on the dpad so you can't play horizontally. So if you have emulators on your kaiser, i'd like to hear the performance and how you play (controls). Thanks.
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If you want a device with really decent emulation capbilities, get the Dell Axim x51v. The Kaiser is plain hopeless without the drivers.

I see. Well i can't really get an axim as i already have 3 ppc's (8525,8925, and hp jornada 567 and used to have an 8125) Hope these drivers come out soon. So the 8525 has better video drivers than the tilt?!

kareem9nba said:
I see. Well i can't really get an axim as i already have 3 ppc's (8525,8925, and hp jornada 567 and used to have an 8125) Hope these drivers come out soon. So the 8525 has better video drivers than the tilt?!
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LOL, not better. It HAS drivers.
The Kaiser uses software rendering, cause it has no driver for hardware rendering. (Or something like that)

I see, really hope these drivers come out soon (heard they'd come out through the windows update in the settings) but haven't heard when .

TytnII Vs Imate 9502

I have just been given a Imate 9502 on a plan( ok i have to pay for it over a period of time)and as this uses the same chipset as the the TytnII i thought this would be interesting, also keep in mind the Imate 9502 uses a 640x480 VGA screen..have completed some benchmarking using VSbenchmark..
Imate9502 TYTNII
Graphic test1 1717 1101
Other test2 1913 1875
Jpeg test3 3098 2323
Games test4 1099 1278
Sound test5 1944 0668
Total Score 1954 1449
Very interesting indeed, only score which TytnII wins on is the Games test.But as the 9502 is running at higher res than the TytnII and getting higher scores does this mean Imate have fixed the qualcomm issue????..
movie play back is a breeze stock... will run tests later using diff players

Just from those numbers I'm pretty sure nothing is really fixed. Check out the score difference from the P6500 to the Kaiser
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381254
I've seen variation even between Kaisers of a few hundred points just depending on ROMs, software and a myriad of little things that can affect the overall score.

Are you taking into account that the res is double that of the TytnII,also according to VSbenchmark's web page,the scores that the 9502 got are lil over mid way compared to a tytnII having a reported score of 1444 admitedly there was a KAISER on there with a slightly higher score but it still wasnt anywhere near the 9502.
The reason i reported the TytnII score and not the KAISER from VSbenchmark was MY TytnII got sim Scores.
Another point of interest is the 9502 has VGA out,which i hooked up to the phillips 50in LCD and works a treat.
also will down load SPD benchmark and will report those scores

Technically, the resolution is 4 times that of the Kaiser if you care comparing pixel count. There are 4 times as many pixels on a 640x480 screen than there is on a 320x240 screen.

Hi mav42,
Could you please report what free program memory (RAM) you get immediately after a soft reset. In some reviews I have read it is just over 32 MB which in my opinion is very low for a 128 MB installed device. For example my TyTn II gives close to 70 MB of free RAM immediately after a soft reset.
Shall be obliged for your response as I am seriously considering getting one myself but the memory issue is holding me back.
Regards

Are we sure that benchmark is even measuring the kind of stuff the Tytn II is known to be missing? I thought someone pointed out, the last time comparisons were drawn with these benchmarks, that the accelerated hardware wasn't actually being tested at all.
Someone (who knows what they're doing) needs to get hold of a rom for the 9502 and start analysing it... Chainfire, where art thou?

Boinng said:
Are we sure that benchmark is even measuring the kind of stuff the Tytn II is known to be missing? I thought someone pointed out, the last time comparisons were drawn with these benchmarks, that the accelerated hardware wasn't actually being tested at all.
Someone (who knows what they're doing) needs to get hold of a rom for the 9502 and start analysing it... Chainfire, where art thou?
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Im sorry Im just a idiot heres me thinking that both these devices use the same chipset doh....wait a minute they do.......all i did was compare these device's using the same benchmarks at the same time to see if there was any major diff,report it and work from there....and in this case there is a diff .also even if stated by Bong that these benchmarks dont measure accelerated hardware theres still a diff between these 2 devices using software rendition

mav42 said:
Im sorry Im just a idiot heres me thinking that both these devices use the same chipset doh....wait a minute they do.......all i did was compare these device's using the same benchmarks at the same time to see if there was any major diff,report it and work from there....and in this case there is a diff .also even if stated by Bong that these benchmarks dont measure accelerated hardware theres still a diff between these 2 devices using software rendition
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I meant no offence, sorry it appears I've caused some. My question was genuine - if the benchmark doesn't test the imageon features etc, then that would explain the relatively small difference in the tests, even if the 9502's video is miles better in use.
I'm well aware of the shared chipset, and that's why I'm so interested in a developer getting hold of the ROM and extracting any drivers they can.

Can you post a TCPMP or Core player video playback benchmark? Thanks

srmz said:
Hi mav42,
Could you please report what free program memory (RAM) you get immediately after a soft reset. In some reviews I have read it is just over 32 MB which in my opinion is very low for a 128 MB installed device. For example my TyTn II gives close to 70 MB of free RAM immediately after a soft reset.
Shall be obliged for your response as I am seriously considering getting one myself but the memory issue is holding me back.
Regards
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ok after doing a soft reset
total:84.41mb...........in use 50.26mb..........FREE 34.15mb
hope that helps

This is exactly why we need a 9502 section on here! From what I have read so far (only on mobile phone consumer forums mind, so no techies), the major issues are:
1. Complete lack of free RAM meaning only one or two apps can be run simultaneously.(Unconfirmed how much this issue is related to Telstra ROM/bloatware).
2. Is not natively SDHC compliant and although the WM6 SDHC drivers work, they disable the wifi functionality of the device.
Both of these things I think could be remedied by XDA-Dev geniuses.

I just want to know does the 9502 suffer from the I-hit-a-button-but-nothing-happens-unless-i-hold-it-down-for-a-few-seconds-then-it-clicks syndrom that the Tilt has?

starstreak said:
I just want to know does the 9502 suffer from the I-hit-a-button-but-nothing-happens-unless-i-hold-it-down-for-a-few-seconds-then-it-clicks syndrom that the Tilt has?
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I have not come accross this problem..........so far....

aww man. if that SOny X1 wasn't coming out, I would buy the 9502. That and not being VGA is my only complaint with the Tilt I have. I miss the VGA and I can't stand it how sometimes the screen or key just wont register presses unless you hold it down.

starstreak said:
aww man. if that SOny X1 wasn't coming out, I would buy the 9502.
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Sony X1 doesn't have a jogdial and OK button on left side, I guess all TyTN users got used to have that... 9502 does have those

Is there going to have a Imate 9502 Section?
I too holding a imate

I would really appreciate if somebody could post the XIP and some of the other graphics related dlls (DDI.dll, dependencies, etc). ROM dump would be nice.
So far, I have the 9502 ahi2dati.dll from some other thread and it's the same as the KS20 so that's a good comparison point, depending on how you want to look at it.

I would really appreciate if somebody could post the XIP and some of the other graphics related dlls (DDI.dll, dependencies, etc). ROM dump would be nice.
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Totally agree! if someone gives this dump would be very nice .
im also working on this and i need some dlls. XIP etc.
a ROM dump would be great!

Diamond versus iPhone 3G - Anyone give a balanced opinion?

I am very shortly out of contract and am undecided which phone I want next.
I am definitely a big fan of windows mobile PPC phones and for the last 5 years have had nothing but. It is interesting to see that some friends at work who would have always opted for the latest Nokia gadget (N95 etc.) to start choosing Windows Mobile instead (HTC Touch - ELF) - this is undoubtedly due to the work of HTC making them popular with the Touch-Flo and now the 3D version on the diamond.
This time however it seems that at the same time as the Diamond is being released, the new 3G iPhone is due to be released and I'm stuck which one I want.
I don't use a Mac at all, and never have, although I appreciate how pretty they look - same with the iPhone - it looks great in my opinion.
I like the huge screen of the iPhone and look of it. I definitely like the unlimited data package that comes as part of the deal -although not particularly the 18month contract, but could live with it. BUT - No GPS software such as TomTom for iPhone? 2MP camera?
The touch diamond seems to win hands down on some fronts... loads of free / commercial software for it, including several different GPS sat nav softwares - not just google maps. It also looks great. BUT - battery life? why? it seems to me that this awesome device has one hand tied behind it's back due to a poor battery life.
Anyway....
Does anyone here have both devices and can offer a balanced opinion on how they compare?
Any thoughts on your new Diamond - do you wish you got the iPhone instead? Are you pleased with your new Diamond and wouldn't swap it for anything?

Just got my Diamond 2 days ago.
It is a wow piece !
Ergonomy wise , I have to say that it is much more elegant than the
Iphone. Of course this is a taste thing... I did like the diamond better.
now functionality wise... since my background is programming ,
I must say that with microsoft (windows) , U are in for a lot of pain...
but U have so many options...
Iphone ? Mac OS ????? U have to search and search ..and many times
not find !!!!!
My only pb with my Diamond ?
I havent yet digested that I did "waste" a thousand us dollars on a cell phone !!
good luck on your choice !
my 2cents

forgot to mention about the battery life...
I know it's been 2 days I have my diamond.. but I am sure that the battery is not very good...
out of my experience... u can't have a nice ppc and a good battery...doesnt exist... especially if u want it stylish....
so my advice ? get a good car charger and every 9 months or so change the battery... it is around 40usd.
Forget the battery...it is not that big of an issue..
I use my phone over 5h per day (only calls !! ) so for me whatever phone I get ... I need a car charger !!!

Apple vs Diamond
I recently bought a edge version jail broker apple iphone for my wife and htc diamond for myself.
Interface - I think touchflo 3d interface is superb.But sometimes its a bit lagging.But, I am sure in future there would be some roms from xda that will iron some issues in touchflo 3d.But I do think the interface is very good in Daimond.Where as with apple iphone, the interface is very simple , where you turn the pages, but because of its simplicity , you cant go wrong with it.
Touch Screen(Hardware - touch feel) - I think apple iphone has got really good touch screen.It just easy for anyone to handle it straightaway.Where as touchdiamond you sometimes need to press your finger against the screen a little harder.Or you need to do a lot of registry tweaks to make it smoother.But with apple , its just the best touchscreen currently where it understands ur hand gestures accordingly.
Browsing - Apple wins here in a big way.If i quickly have to check the xda site, I take the apple rather than diamond. In the begining although I was impressed with diamond, somehow after sometime it really hard to undertand the way the opera is trying to do too many things at the same time and you get confused exactly how to zoom in.No, disrepct to either of the mobiles, but apple browser is simple and it really works well. And also , I dont know the reason why but diamond opera browser is really slow than IE in diamond.(Again, I am sure future roms will fix these.See with apple sometimes out of the box you get everything fixed)
Features - I think features wise, you can do quite a lot with diamond.You can install lof of applications you like.And you can do word editing , cut and paste anywhere in explorer , sending mms files, playing any multimedia files and watching tv, gps of ur own choice etc etc ,etc.But with apple you cant do all these things.You can only watch MP4 files , you cant cut and paste.And if you want to install anything , then you have to make sure , you purchase from apple.And for any other application , you have to puchase it from apple.(Apple - Note, in future apple might get all the applications via app store, but you still have to pay for any other applications.)
Physical Dimensions- Dimaond looks really stunning and small in your hands, but where as iphone looks like a brick.Diamond is the first WM Device with accelerometer and the screen is absolutely superb on diamond.Apple screen also looks really really good, but its a bit big size.
Other things- To be frank with you both have pros and cons for both, and even I am confused a little.One thing I hate about apple iphone is , you have to buy games and every other application in apple itunes, but not so much with diamond.There is a lot of support for WM devices especially XDA- Kudos to XDA.I think Microsoft should sponsor XDA guys.
Vj

The main thing is you cannot run more than one application at once on an Iphone so if you were to have Navi running and you wanted to switch to the web for a moment you would lose everything that was going on with the Navi. i.e. GPS position etc. (This is just an example, but messenger I can see being a big problem)

mac iphone & winMobile devices cannot compare... this is only my opinion. but if u looking for good look.. so may be it helps. but functions & applications have to say 4get it.

iPhone can't multitask?? really?? does this apply to the 2.0 firmware too? I suppose since 'churchwa' above referred to GPS positioning it must apply to the 2.0 firmware too??
btw, what Bluetooth profile does the 2.0 firmware offer?
The Diamond offers a HUGE selection of Bluetooth profiles.
If battery life is an issue, an extended battery for the Diamond will be out soon. At least the battery can be changed w/o having to heck the case open like the iPhone.
The reason why it's harder to go gestures on the Diamond is because it uses a resistive touchscreen as opposed to capacitive on the iPhone. On a resistive screen you need to apply pressure, on capacitive you need to touch.
We can't compare the Diamond to the iPhone in terms of software. The Diamond is a powerhouse developer/hacker poweruser phone and the iPhone is a very simplistic user friendly and intuitive phone.
In terms of hardware we find a few similiarities especially the presence of GPS and HSDPA on both devices.
Btw, what's the max HSDPA speed on the iPhone? is it 7.2Mbps as well?
Cheers.

Go to a shop and hold both of them in your hands.
I had an iphone 8GB and liked it a lot for its design and ui. It is a functional phone and the ui is great. But the bad thing for me was that there's not a lot of 3rd party software to download. With win mobile there are a lot of possibilities to download 3rd party software.
Another thing to consider is the size of both phones. As I already wrote: hold both devices in your hand. Also hold them at you ear. You will notice that the iphone is bulky and heavy while the diamond is light and very compact.
At first with rom version 1.35 I wish I hadn't sold my iphone, but with the new 1.37 europe rom I am very happy. Scrolling through touchflow 3d is about as fast as iphone's ui.
BTW: battery life with the new 1.37 rom is much better. It should last for at least 2 days of normal use (some emailing, few calls, using opera for about 20 minutes).
It is also possible to adjust screen sensitivity. A light touch of your finger will do the job.

Seriously, it depends on what you want from your device.
WM offers massive amounts of customisation, 3rd party software, no media restrictions, multi-tasking and in general a huge community.
iPhone offers ease of use at the cost of everything else pretty much. I will say this though, the browsing experience on iPhone is leagues ahead of anything else in the mobile market. They really nailed that on the head. Other mobile browsers dont come close. The key thing with the iPhone is that it's not trying to do or be too much. It's a phone, it plays video and music (only in particualar formats though) and it has the ability to browse the web. Even with the 3G iPhone, it's still not trying to be too much, yes it has GPS but at it's core it's still only doing about 4 or 5 things.
1. make calls/sms etc
2. play music
3. play videos
4. browse the web
5. use gps for google maps etc
That's it. Even with the app store, if you cant run background apps, plugins (like WM today screen etc) it becomes kinda limited.
A WM device is a whole different world. Yeah its a real pain in the ass at times and you ahve to tweak it etc to get it working 100%, things are never quite right out of the box. But after you fight through those birthing pains, you will have device that works (mostly) as you want.
The real question is what do you want. Simplicity or limitless possibilty?

Syphon Filter said:
I will say this though, the browsing experience on iPhone is leagues ahead of anything else in the mobile market. They really nailed that on the head. Other mobile browsers dont come close.
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I really dont know where this is coming from. I compared the iPhone/iPod Touch Browser with the newest Opera 9.5 and Opera Mini and each of them has there strenghts and weaknesses. Im quite happy with using Opera 9.5 on WM and dont see a reason changing to the iPhone for better webbrowsing.
The only big advantage i see, is the big screen. Its really nice, but makes the phone big too. Another thing is the finger-only usage of the screen, which isnt that desirable if you ask me. Working with a stylus is sometimes easier and faster - especially when writing notes.
Well, all other things were already mentioned in this thread. I personally will stick with Windows Mobile since I am really fast getting tired of using the same skin for too long.

The definitive breakdown
Its a hard decision to make, i had to choose between the two (i could have waited for the 3G if i wanted) but ended up getting the Diamond. this is the frank breakdown:
lets start with the obvious! The iPhone has a larger screen and it is a lovely one BUT the screen on the Diamond is actually a higher Rez... I dont watch moves on my phone so i would rather have the higher REZ so i can fit more stuff on a page, and the screen on the diamond i have to say is fantastic. But some ppl may prefer that larger screen. It is also good to note this (something that a LOT of ppl dont understand/know) the touch sensitive screen on the iPhone is capacitance based, the one on the Diamond is resistive based. Whats the difference? well with the iPhone you dont need and finger pressure, just a light touch with you finger. the flaw in this system is that you cant use a stylus, or use it with gloves on, with the diamond you do need to put a bit of pressure BUT you can use it with gloves/a styles or anything and it is better for handwriting recognition
Then, the big thing about the iPhone 3G was the fast download speeds, BUT it uses an an old HSDPA of only 3.5mbps max, the diamond however can go up to HSDPA speeds of 7.3 Mbps! so faster loading web pages and watching youtube videos.
Now the iPhone does win when it comes to interface, the TF3D on the Diamond is very good, in fact its the best on any windows mobile device. BUT the iPhone does have a smoother and slicker interface. For me however with the latest ROM the Diamond is pretty close usability wise, and has some very nice animations etc.
Storage, your limited to 4GB on the diamond, but can have 8-16gb on the iphone, so thats a big plus for the iPhone
One big deciding factor for me... the camera, its just crap on the iPhone, and rather good on the Diamond (auto focus 3.2mp)...end of that
SIZE! i actually think the iPhone is too big! it is too long and too wide, the size of the diamond is fantastic IMO so small yet with more tech, again this comes back to if you want that big screen on the iphone or not...
Battery life... the iPhone takes it here again, BUT w8 because the diamond will soon be getting quite a few extend life batteries and that will make it more competitive in this front. also with the latest ROM the diamond lasts over a day no problem (unlike b4)
now this is the biggey, even with the iPhones new apps store, windows mobile is still gonna have a tonne more 3rd party apps that any iphone owner could ever hope to see... the interface, storage size, and scree size on the iphone are its redeeming features... the Diamond has a higher rez screen, an internet browser that it just as good as the iPhones, a much better camera, smaller size, forward facing camera for vid calls, faster HSDPA, better call sound qulaty you can put TomTom on it for gps, and many more 3rd party apps
i prefer the Diamond, what to you prefer... ooo i forgot to mention PRICE big difference, the iPhone 3G will be a lot cheaper.

Ergonomically the diamond wins because its much smaller!
The old metal look of the 2g iphone is replaced with a plastic back on the 3g one, so its not as elegant as it used to be.
User experiance i would say the iphone wins hands down. There's no having to cope with lags and ill thought out menu systems. You can get what you want down really quickly, and not have to worry about screen sensativity problems and some behind the scenes WM6 window poping up.
You'll find some hard core WM users arguing WM is better, but trust me its not. Its still laggy and dated, and needs a serious overhaul.
Software... now this is where the decision for WM usually gets made. Let me clarify some things here.
iPhone CAN multitask, but doesnt have a task manager as such. It just closes programs when memory is low, or if they specifically don't request to be left open in the background. iPhone essentially runs linux and you can use BSD tools on it like top, ps, etc so under the hood it is a fully multi threaded multi tasking OS. There's very little bloat, like on windows, and you can get low level access to the hardware without having to go through multiple api's like in windows. This make programs alot faster, and screen updates as fast as the hardware can handle.
With the iphone, the phone is 'jailed'. That means you can't access the OS partitions. Software must be signed (by apple) for it to run. On WM you can run unsigned stuff out of the box (you might have seen the popup, this application is from an unknown publisher). Essentially what this means is that anyone can make an app for WM and distribute it, whereas for iphone you have to ask apple to sign it first, or your phone wont accept it.
Apple have said that they will sign free apps, but comercial apps they take 20%. All apps will be hosted on the apple app store and you buy/download through itunes.
With the 2g iphone, people found a way to jailbreak the phone. This allowed you full root access to the phone. They then made an iphone toolchain using the old arm linux toolchain. This contained api's to contructs apple style menus etc. ALOT of free software was written for iphone.
With version 2.0 all the api's changed. The beta is all over the internet, so developers have been looking at it. Alot of the old developers can't be bothered to change to the new API's and update their software. But at the same time alot of new developers have emerged and are using the iphone SDK. Despite what people say here, you can expect ALOT of iphone software in the future.
The main problem is that you will never have total control of the phone like in WM. You will be stuck with what apple aprove. That means fun, maybe not so politicaly correct software (eg dope wars!) may not get aproved.
Its possible and probably the new iphone will be jailbroken too, but apple have a bunch of live connections to the developer site which will probably cause problems. You can expect a ping pong game between apple and hackers every software revision.
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Some other notes.. the iphone has unbeleivable talk time. On 3G it can do 5 hours! Now thats ALOT.
iPhone doesnt have copy and paste (yeah go figure).

JanDaMan said:
it uses an an old HSDPA of only 3.5mbps max, the diamond however can go up to HSDPA speeds of 7.3 Mbps! so faster loading web pages and watching youtube videos.
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Keep in mind for web pages you won't see a huge difference between 3.5mbps and 7.3mbps. The longest part of the page load there is typically connection to the network and dns lookup.
You'll see a difference with youtube obviously, but 3.5mbps is obviously fast enough to load the video faster than you can watch it anyway.
Another note, 3G speed decreases significantly with distance from the tower. HSDPA is only usefull close to the tower. So 7.3mbps is only really acheivable very very close to towers. And network coverage for HSDPA is already patchy, if there at all.

^^^Lets not forget that the iphone still doesnt support MMS capability...biggest deal breaker for me as i was considering to get one but not going to bother anymore. You would think that a phone such as the iphone would support mms out of the box but no it doesnt...you need to install a 3rd party app like swirlymms and frankly thats rubbish.
You mentioned the price issue??...£400 for the diamond is pretty damn good if you ask me...i was looking at spending a max of £500 for Diamond as thats what i thought it would fetch...well over at Expansys the grey imports were going for £500+...unlucky for the first buyers as its now come down in price. The iphone 2 sim free ie not on a network is going to be around £400 from what i have been hearing. Think i read somewhere that O2 will be charging that much for the PAYG unit...with a contract the iphone may very well be cheaper but you get tied into an 18 mth contract at £35..so 35x18 works out to about...£630 or thereabouts....so in the long run you end up shelling out more for the iphone....but most people wont really care about that.
One thing i do like about the iphone is the touchscreen...i love my ipod touch...if anything i do prefer the ipod touch screen to the Diamond but im slowly getting used to the Diamond now....awesome piece of kit.

On O2 prepay its going to be £400. On contract it varies from £99 for 18 month £35 contract to free for 18 month £45 contract or above.
For the 16gb its a bit more.
I don't think it'll be sold sim free here. In france its a legal requirement, so you could always get one from there. But expect it to be 500 to 600 pounds!

iPhone 3G only supports 3.6Mbps HSDPA? lol
Btw, to be fair only Vodafone UK provides 7.2Mbps and even so only in a few areas but still it's nice to have the capability on hand... especially since they are selling 7.2Mbps USB dongle modems... it's nice knowing that you won't need one because your Diamond achieves the same speed.

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Keep in mind for web pages you won't see a huge difference between 3.5mbps and 7.3mbps. The longest part of the page load there is typically connection to the network and dns lookup.
You'll see a difference with youtube obviously, but 3.5mbps is obviously fast enough to load the video faster than you can watch it anyway.
Another note, 3G speed decreases significantly with distance from the tower. HSDPA is only usefull close to the tower. So 7.3mbps is only really acheivable very very close to towers. And network coverage for HSDPA is already patchy, if there at all.
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Well (in london / newcastle in the UK) i get very good HSDPA coverage, but on orange they are still upgrading to the 7.3 mbps standard probably to get ready for mobile TV etc... so i still maintain faster is always better fair pont on the connection to network and dns lookup time but on graphically intensive pages, i feel there will be a noticeable difference between the two HSDPA standards.

To be honest, 7.2 is very very fast for a mobile phone and its processor. I doubt the processor on the phone will be able to receive and render graphics on a web page faster with a faster connection because the bottleneck will be the processing time locally on the phone.
The improvement will be seen when the phone's used as a modem and you download huge files from your laptop.

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To be honest, 7.2 is very very fast for a mobile phone and its processor. I doubt the processor on the phone will be able to receive and render graphics on a web page faster with a faster connection because the bottleneck will be the processing time locally on the phone.
The improvement will be seen when the phone's used as a modem and you download huge files from your laptop.
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yeah can it process at 7.2, not sure, but it can process faster than 3.6 and thats the issue, good point with the modem thing too...

chalid said:
I really dont know where this is coming from. I compared the iPhone/iPod Touch Browser with the newest Opera 9.5 and Opera Mini and each of them has there strenghts and weaknesses. Im quite happy with using Opera 9.5 on WM and dont see a reason changing to the iPhone for better webbrowsing.
The only big advantage i see, is the big screen. Its really nice, but makes the phone big too. Another thing is the finger-only usage of the screen, which isnt that desirable if you ask me. Working with a stylus is sometimes easier and faster - especially when writing notes.
Well, all other things were already mentioned in this thread. I personally will stick with Windows Mobile since I am really fast getting tired of using the same skin for too long.
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Hrm, well my opinion on the browser is based on software rather than the hardware aspects of the iPhone.
The manner in which the pages are rendered and the ability to zoom etc is really great (i know that slightly contradicts my first line as the zooming is hardware related).
Don't get me wrong, I'll be getting a Touch Pro most likely (I wouldnt dream of getting an iPhone, it's far too locked down for my liking!).
I just think the browsing experience (bar the speed, or lack thereof) is really good on an iPhone.
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With regards to iPhone multi-tasking, I thought it was explicitly stated in the T&C's or the SDK that no program would be allowed to run in the bcakground at all? Could someone clarify?

Anyone from Kaiser to Diamond ?

Hello, I'm a Kaiser owner and I'm thinking about going to the Diamond.
Can someone tell me how fast is the Diamond compared to the Kaiser ?
Can you play videos faster than the Kaiser do (with no lags) ?
Thanks !

dizzy33 said:
Hello, I'm a Kaiser owner and I'm thinking about going to the Diamond.
Can someone tell me how fast is the Diamond compared to the Kaiser ?
Can you play videos faster than the Kaiser do (with no lags) ?
Thanks !
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I am an ex Trinity user and Trinities were well known of beating the **** out of Kaisers, and many others. Compared to the Trinity, the Diamond does a slightly better job in rendering videos.

Ok, thanks ... So does this mean that the Diamond really includes the proper graphic drivers ?
I did search for informations about that but could not find any answer ...
I saw on a thread here that the Diamond is really slow using GPS softwares, you can see the roads drawing one by one when driving ...
So I don't understand how this device can be so fast in reading videos, and so slow in displaying GPS softwares maps ...

dizzy33 said:
Ok, thanks ... So does this mean that the Diamond really includes the proper graphic drivers ?
I did search for informations about that but could not find any answer ...
I saw on a thread here that the Diamond is really slow using GPS softwares, you can see the roads drawing one by one when driving ...
So I don't understand how this device can be so fast in reading videos, and so slow in displaying GPS softwares maps ...
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I never experienced that GPS issue. I believe it might have been something with a specific app or settings.
Diamond has different chip than Kaiser so it is not correct to say that Diamond includes the proper drivers. But YES, Diamond has optimized video drivers for its own graphic chip which is VGA and 3D capable.

Thank you very much for your answers !

I've moved from a Kaiser to a Diamond and say that using Coreplayer the videos are the same...albeit the Diamond is suposedly faster....but I never had any real issues with the Kaiser either
What I will warn you about is the battery drain....I find that with sporadic use the Diamond might last 3 days. I've not tried it yet, but I would think that the Diamond could not last a single 2 hr movie, with backlight over 70%. I do like the Diamond...but it has lots of funky flaws.....if I didn't know about this site and the experts here giving advice on tweaking and "new" ROMS that are faster I probably would have tossed it on the first day...
....then again, all HTC products (including the Kaiser) are not up to spec when they leave the box!!
Hope this helps

Thanks to you for your answer. In fact my Kaiser is the pocket pc which has the longer battery life other all I had before (Casio EM505F, Ipaq 1930, Axim X50V, Qtek9000, HTC Prophet ...). With the Kaiser, I don't feel the need to buy an extra battery.
I guess that the VGA display of the Diamond drains faster the battery ...

Enjoy the tilt display as well.....the "dear ol Diamond" has to sit flat on the aircraft dinner table or you need to put a bread roll underneath it to watch your movie at an acceptable angle

i switched as well, i managed to trade my kaiser for a diamond
reasons were better performance ( faster cpu en drivers) and thinner design
im loving it ( my diamond)

darkenergy said:
i switched as well, i managed to trade my kaiser for a diamond
reasons were better performance ( faster cpu en drivers) and thinner design
im loving it ( my diamond)
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I am lucky enough to own a MDA Vario III and MDA Vario IV Compact (a free upgrade). I'd say the Compact IV compliments the Vario III but doesn't represent an upgrade. Personally most of the time I'll stick with the Vario III for the hardware keyboard but the Compact IV is a nice weekend more phone like form factor. Personally (and this is a personal view) I'd stick with the Kaiser if I had to choose between the two.

Thanks a lot for your answers ! I think I'll keep my Kaiser and wait for a real better device (much more powerfull).

altough the diamond has better hardware and decent drivers there basically the same
the kaiser is basically the same expierence but more suited towards people who type alot using a keyboard
i personally like the diamond a lot more because its thinner and much much lighter
i dont care for manilla that much , i switched back to throttle launcher now
on the other way around, compared to the diamond the only thing that the kaiser has going for it is the tilt screen abbility if you can live without that go for the diamond or wait a few weeks till hTC bring out another 47 smartphones to replace the diamond/kaiser all together