I found this article and I told myself that a developer could find his happiness there
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/07/10/NoiseDetection/default.aspx?loc=en
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"You're sitting in the local coffee shop on a sunny afternoon, peacefully enjoying a quiet moment, when your phone starts to ring. It's set, of course, to full volume and the ring is so loud you nearly spill your coffee. So you turn it down.
Later that day, you're waiting at a bar for a friend, but he's nowhere to be seen. He'd forgotten which bar you were meeting at and called to see where you were. Unfortunately, you missed the call because you didn't hear your phone ring. The problem: the ring volume was still turned down and wasn't loud enough to hear in the noisy bar.
This is fairly ridiculous when you consider that current mobile phones have as much processing power as the first PC I used for multi-channel audio recording. It would seem that with today's intelligent mobile devices, which are capable of doing so many things and accessing so much information, this problem should not exist. However, everyone who has a mobile phone has experienced this problem in one form or another.
The obvious way to solve the problem is to remember to change your volume settings. The option to change the ring volume is presumably to deal with the acoustic differences in various environments, but the functionality does not really do that. Devices should be able to act with a little more common sense. It's simple: I just want my mobile phone not to ring too loudly in a quiet environment and to ring audibly in a loud place.
This article addresses the possibilities and practicality of a Windows Mobile® application that automatically adjusts the Pocket PC's ring level based on the ambient noise in its current environment. The functionality of this app prevents the phone from ringing too loudly or softly, saving me from embarrassment and missed calls. In this article, I'll use this problem as an introduction to Windows Mobile development using Visual Studio® 2005 and C#."
WOW! This would really be a great solution!
No more dicking about with profiles and Volumes hehe!
Sadly, despite the immense processing power of today's phones, they are slower than the cell phones 10 years ago. Why? Fine, we're doing a lot more with them, but still, if i can put linux on my P400 and surf the net and play 3d games and even change the screen orientation within less than a quarter second... then why can't my phone do that... and maybe even do it better?
Is it too much to ask to have a zippy menu interface and nearly instant screen orientation changes?
Sorry, this rant is a bit off topic. You are entirely correct. Our phones could have been doing this for at least a decade... but sadly, only companies like apple seem to want to invest in innovative products (I own a kaiser, not an iphone... so dont get on my case with an apple rant, ok?)
How will this help when the phone is in your pocket and it either hears nothing so rings very quietly, or hears a thunderstorm of noise from the keys and change it is rattling around with?
while(!(linux)){wm} said:
Sadly, despite the immense processing power of today's phones, they are slower than the cell phones 10 years ago. Why? Fine, we're doing a lot more with them, but still, if i can put linux on my P400 and surf the net and play 3d games and even change the screen orientation within less than a quarter second... then why can't my phone do that... and maybe even do it better?
Is it too much to ask to have a zippy menu interface and nearly instant screen orientation changes?
Sorry, this rant is a bit off topic. You are entirely correct. Our phones could have been doing this for at least a decade... but sadly, only companies like apple seem to want to invest in innovative products (I own a kaiser, not an iphone... so dont get on my case with an apple rant, ok?)
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My,,, haven't we grown impatient over the years. I can remember when a dial up modem and a 9600 connection were killer.
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Guys,
I have been dealing with WM devices now since years, but one thing I still have not figured out is in regards to the Phone downlink volume.
Not talkking about system or ringer volume, but the volume that you hear from the internal speaker when you are on a call.
ATOM had horribly low volume, BREEZE was great, and TRINITY again is much too low volume to be able to carry a conversation in a noisy place. (and there are plenty of these in Asia... ;-)
Don't get me wrong, it's perfectly fine in a normal environment like office or home. i don't want to have to carry around a headset or use the speakerphone option all the time.
I wonder where the base volume is controlled in a ROM ?
Is it limited by hardware?
Is it something that is controlled in the driver DLL's?
How can it be influenced (upwards/louder)?
Registry settings are already at max so I am out of options.
Maybe it is just that i am getting old, but this really annoys me a lot to have a great phone and not being able to hear what the other party has to say.
Ollie.
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hmmmm
£20?
wow,
I am really happy with my HT 820 but this looks great and small!
I would really be interested in getting one......
Maybe PM me or email.>?
Or post?
Why does every body oohing and ahhing about this piece of junk? IT DOES NOT VIBRATE!!!!.... Let me repeat. IT DOES NOT VIBRATE!!!! So the only way for you to get call notification is to either wear the ear pieces all the time or turn on your Athena default ear shattering notification sound. Now, I understand that a lot of you think that no one will ever call you or the line of work that you're in will never ever require you to attend any meeting at work so the default loud Athena notification is not a problem. But think again!!!! On that rare occasion when the hooker you paid to go out on a date with you calls, you will find yourself looking like an IDIOT emitting that horrible stupid default call notification sound that came with the Athena. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY BUYING THIS PIECE OF SH*T.
The only stereo BT headset that also vibrates up until now is the Jabra BT8010.
sumtingwong said:
Why does every body oohing and ahhing about this piece of junk? IT DOES NOT VIBRATE!!!!.... Let me repeat. IT DOES NOT VIBRATE!!!! So the only way for you to get call notification is to either wear the ear pieces all the time or turn on your Athena default ear shattering notification sound. Now, I understand that a lot of you think that no one will ever call you or the line of work that you're in will never ever require you to attend any meeting at work so the default loud Athena notification is not a problem. But think again!!!! On that rare occasion when the hooker you paid to go out on a date with you calls, you will find yourself looking like an IDIOT emitting that horrible stupid default call notification sound that came with the Athena. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY BUYING THIS PIECE OF SH*T.
The only stereo BT headset that also vibrates up until now is the Jabra BT8010.
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We all got your point dude. Perhaps a bit nicer way could be a better way of informing and putting your point across. This is a forum to share information, where manners would be nice (other than info).
-Red-
Red_Toyol said:
We all got your point dude. Perhaps a bit nicer way could be a better way of informing and putting your point across. This is a forum to share information, where manners would be nice (other than info).
-Red-
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Manner would be spending a minute searching for more info (problems, etc...) about the item one is thinking of posting that have been reported time after time after time after time... up here before starting another thread tricking people into buying junks....
I'm with you Red_Toyol.
I bought this headset and the Jaba but took the Jaba back after a few days in favour of this one for two main reasons. First, the sound quality on the Sony-Ericsson is definitely better, both on Music and both ways on calls. Secondly, the wires for the earpieces act as the necklace so you wear it round your neck (and inside your shirt) and it only comes out when needed.
Now, since using it for some 4 months now, I can give you a couple of other pointers.
The DS970 has caller display so I can see who's calling before I answer. OK, it's number only (there's probebly a fix for names) but I'm good with that.
Also, I charge mine once every two weeks or so. That's as I use it only now and then for music but for phone calls all the time. However, I leave the BT on the Ameo ALL the time but switch off the headset when not using it. That's because, when the phone rings (and I only have 20seconds before switching to answer machine), I have time to power up the headset (about 5 secs including logon to Ameo) and answer. When call finished, I hang up and switch off.
If you do this, you get sooo much battery life for no convenience loss AND it means vibrate would be useless anyway.
Each to their own I suppose but I am so pleased with this bit of kit. IF you need vibrate, look elsewhere. If not, this is the best IMHO.
Oh, and as for the ringing, why would you use the default ringer anyway? I have my own ringtones for various purposes and when I get a call, my Ameo rings as if I didn't have a headset. The only difference is I can choose at that point which method to answer by.
Hope this is helpful to those searching. Cheers.
DS970 indeed looks like quite an ideal BT headset.
Vibration is completely unnecessary for me also. Even if I have such a function, I won't use it. The reason is this. If I'm outdoor, I want normal ringtone to come through from the phone's speaker. If I'm in the meeting, I would just switch via profile into one of those "special ringtone". Special ringtone could be mosquitoe ringtone (ultrasonic frequency ringtone which I can hear but some others can't), sound of coughing, or even sound of a vibrating phone, etc. Something that sounds acceptable from etiqeutte standpoint. In addition, my profile would have set the ringing to go from soft to progressively loud. There is no need to actually vibrate.
I like the style of the phone where you can hide it in your shirt with only two wires hanging out. It is much better than hanging it on the ear, which looks really wierd in my own opinion.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Beware of fake HBH DS970 from ebay sellers.
I did a quick research on this, and noted that many have bought from Hong Kong sellers mainly, but some are out of US too.
If you have it very cheap, it's likely to be a fake.
Attached are some articles related to these fake items.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=137266&start=0
http://213.19.178.16/se/
http://reviews.ebay.com/Fake-counte...000003518644?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:3
http://reviews.ebay.com/Fake-SE-HBH...000003829178?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:4
Tritton - Another Option
Here is another option I came across while looking for a BT solution. The Tritton relies on the housing to clip on your pocket, shirt or coat but I have also used it with a lanyard when wearing a t-shirt. It also allows you the option of using any stereo headset with a 3.5 mm plug.
It is a very clean, mimimalist design (no blinking blue light) with an OLED display and Caller ID (number only) to conserve battery and relies on only 3 buttons for all the functions. So far it has worked very well with the Advantage and the range for both headset and stereo functions has been excellent with no static or popping at all. You can actually keep your device in your pocket, bag or briefcase without any degradation to audio quality. The only con is that there is not vibration feature.
I purchased mine at Tiger Direct for less than $100.
While trying to source for DS980, I came across DS220, which seems to be similar to DS980 except you're free to plug in your 3.5mm earphone of your choice if you wish.
Has anyone used this before? If so, how is the sound quality?
Anyone knows if there are other differences between DS980 and DS220?
bizarre this thread should appear as i bought some of these this very day for 40 quid from Cex, though they are brand new and CERTAINLY not fake. certainly if they are available for twenty quid il be gutted!! they seem to work fine. sound quality is great and i dont feel like a **** wearing them. all good then. the only thing i havent figured is whether i can get it to automatically open up media player when i press play. i also cant get it to work with my n95 - after pairing it just says 'unable to connect'. stupid n95.
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While trying to source for DS980, I came across DS220, which seems to be similar to DS980 except you're free to plug in your 3.5mm earphone of your choice if you wish.
Has anyone used this before? If so, how is the sound quality?
Anyone knows if there are other differences between DS980 and DS220?
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my main gripe with the sony units is that they have their own propriety charger connection, a kinda bastardised Sony phone charger.
IMHO the tritton unit is much better, recently upgraded to one from a hbh-ds970
i guess it all depends on each other's preferences. some like the headset to vibrate, some like it hanging via neckstrap, etc.
this is what i've been using for 2 years now:
http://www.itechdynamic.com/en/products_spec.asp?cid=2&pid=02030
it's an r35 itech unit. i use the white one and i like it for the following:
- no need to hang it in your ear all the time
- minimalistic and you can hide it in your shirt collar...or clip it
- has a built in buzzer that i can hear even when outdoors. when a call comes there are 2 beeps that go off. they won't stop until i answer or the caller hangs up
- my x7500 is either in my laptop bag, the diaper bag or in a backpack. so this saves me the trouble of carrying it all the time
- during meetings, i can disable the buzzer and change the notification to rapid light mode. basically, i leave it on the table so when a call comes through the normal flashing light turns to 2 rapid flashes
- i can change the single earphone to dual for a2dp stereo use. the headset also allows me to skip to the next track or go back to the previous, etc
- and i can plug my nifty bose noise cancelers on it as well
cheers
I really cant understand why no one does the following:
a2dp
usb chrging
option for using your own headphones
vibrate
full caller id- not just number
sms viewing
full music controls
mp3 id tag display
lanyard or clip on option
equaliser controls
oled
wm and symbian compatitibilty
Surely it can't be that difficult- I just wanna be able to leave my Ameo in my pocket until I choose to take it out
I'm on my second tilt. I returned the first one because it was impossible for me to carry on a conversation on the railroad to and from work (or in other mildly noisy situations). While I have no issues hearing the person on the other end, my voice cuts in and out to such an extent that I cannot carry on a conversation. This occurs in the morning on relatively empty trains and in the evening on crowded trains.
There is another thread in which most people have been complaining about the quality on the other end when using the speakerphone, but some had a problem similar to mine as well. AT&T claims that this has not yet been identified as a widespread issue with the device, but before I really raise a stink with them, I wanted to find out if this was really a widespread issue or not.
If this is to ultimately be useful to others, I guess it makes sense to identify which version of the Kaiser you are using.
Thanks.
Turn on Automatic Gain Control
Start / Settings / System / Microphone AGC
"Enable"
*really* helps voice quality a lot.
DLD
One of the main reasons i upgraded to the tilt (it was a huge upgrade, basic phone to a all-in-one phone) was because my phone calls dropped all the time. I thought it was because of the phone (it was old, been dropped ALOT), but I'm beginning to wonder. when talking on the tilt the other day, the other person complained that i was dropping in and out. i was pacing on the upstairs of the house, and kept passing TVs, computers and their moniters and past the wireless router, so it could be that, but, again, i don't know for sure.
That's funny, in the other thread people were saying to turn it off. It is off by default on the tilt so I never bothered to turn it on (yes, I'm a noob...). I'll give it a try...thanks!
mjizzy said:
That's funny, in the other thread people were saying to turn it off. It is off by default on the tilt so I never bothered to turn it on (yes, I'm a noob...). I'll give it a try...thanks!
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Yes, it's a curious thing the AGC. In a way it would be helpful to have a hard key for it because how well or badly it works depends on the background noise level. So in some situations you might want it off and even in the same conversation you might want it on. Also it's behaviour is affected by whether you are on speaker phone where volume level and feedback become issues. (Not the easiest thing to test out either!)
Mike
Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
clippy said:
Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
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That's very good to hear.
I thought AGC only Adjusts the volume of your voice automatically when you are recording.
TroyBoy30 said:
I thought AGC only Adjusts the volume of your voice automatically when you are recording.
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It does help, but only slightly when calling on my device.
It seems to help on my tilt as well, but I really haven't had much of a chance to test it out. I will say that, however small the sample size (and assuming it is random), it is somewhat comforting that most respondants have not had any problems at all. Maybe ours are just from a bad batch. I'm going to try calling AT&T to see if they'll swap mine out again.
I just got off the phone with HTC support again (here in Belgium). He URGED me that everybody that has the problem would report it: the more requests on the problem they receive, the faster they will start developing a fix.
So everybody, start calling HTC support and ask they make a ticket for it!
clippy said:
Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
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i hope they can make a fix... common htc how come thei never faced this problem on their test .. cant believe it!
My 2 cents on AGC, auto-gain automatically turns up the mic volume to capture "light" low volume sounds. It would really help capture a wispering speaker in a quiet room. On a loud train it should automatically turn it's gain down because of the loud ambient noise and I would expect the speakers voice to be harder to hear by the other party.
In a loud place I'd say turn it off, but as always, your own trials will tell what's best for you.
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My 2 cents on AGC, auto-gain automatically turns up the mic volume to capture "light" low volume sounds. It would really help capture a wispering speaker in a quiet room. On a loud train it should automatically turn it's gain down because of the loud ambient noise and I would expect the speakers voice to be harder to hear by the other party.
In a loud place I'd say turn it off, but as always, your own trials will tell what's best for you.
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so in resume, TyTN II / Kaiser Speaker phone SUX
this is a very important feature in a phone, i don't care if it's the best PDA phone in the world... a good phone must respond as a good phone and the Kaiser doesnt...
rocho said:
i hope they can make a fix... common htc how come thei never faced this problem on their test .. cant believe it!
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Did you already contact HTC?
In some cases. Yes, but I only have issues with people hearing me while using the speakerphone.
xmoo said:
In some cases. Yes, but I only have issues with people hearing me while using the speakerphone.
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With my device, the sounds also drops when I'm calling with the phone held to my ear :-(. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
Calling HTC
I called HTC America (HTC India is more like it) to report the issue. They were very thankful and apologetic and mentioned the possibility of getting a new device. He said he was going to dispatch an e-mail about the issue to HQ immediately and that they would be sitting down with AT&T in the near future (as they do 30 days after a new phone is released with a given carrier) and would do his best to make sure the issue is addressed at that time.
Here's hoping...
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I called HTC America (HTC India is more like it) to report the issue. They were very thankful and apologetic and mentioned the possibility of getting a new device. He said he was going to dispatch an e-mail about the issue to HQ immediately and that they would be sitting down with AT&T in the near future (as they do 30 days after a new phone is released with a given carrier) and would do his best to make sure the issue is addressed at that time.
Here's hoping...
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I've reported the issue to the HTC authorised service center close to 2 weeks ago. When I called up the service center, their reply is : no response from the HTC Taiwan yet..... What a surprising innocent reply from them!!!! As if they have never got any feedback on such issue before!
Hi
I wonder if the problem is caused by excessive volume of the in built earpiece? Do you have this up on maximum or high?
The inbuilt earpiece goes very loud and so the sound would easily be picked up by the microphone causing it to behave similar to when you have it on speaker phone as it tries to stop feedback and echo.
There isn't a lot that can be done about this apart from turning down the earpiece volume or using a wired headphones with mic. It may be worth turning down your volume on the earpiece to see if it improves.
Regards
Phil
When I set a custom ringtone, the first 1-2 seconds of the song fade in.
If your ringtone has a bit of silence as it starts then you won't notice it.
The fading is not present in the settings menu, but only when a call comes in.
Please test and let me know.
Thank you
I have the same question too
Still got the "problem", to my luck though... used in ears with too high ringer volume and took the call fast enough ^^
You cannot technically call this a problem. It is done intentionally by samsung. What I am wondering is why it isn't configurable like it was in previous samsung phones i owned (like the TouchWiz F480)
For those who do not know, the fading is added so that the ringtone doesn't blast your ears deaf if a call comes in right after you finished your last one (unless if you are using a headset, the phone will be right next to your ear at that moment).
well the feature is crap. It should have option whether we want this feature or not instead of forcing us on it.
Thank you
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For those who do not know, the fading is added so that the ringtone doesn't blast your ears deaf if a call comes in right after you finished your last one (unless if you are using a headset, the phone will be right next to your ear at that moment).
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Thank you Samsung for avoiding staining my shirt with brain fragments... my dog is also very thankful!
samsung should provide setting to turn on/off this ascending ringtone.
Perhaps they should provide the option.. but I personally think this "feature" is good. Especially since I got tinnitus, and hence take all precautions to protect my hearing from future damage.
any solutions ?
i have the same issue on my galaxy s
While some people think its a good "feature", others do not. I'd rather have this feature disabled like most people out there, so we can have those extra 2 seconds to hear the phone ringing from our pockets.
... Its not like you're holding the phone to your ear ALL the time!! Even when you're not doing anything. Cause if you are, then you have a problem!!
I am really trying to like this phone even after the mango update..
But I can not understand a few things..
The Volume on this phone is crap There is no way in hell it will ever wake me up using the alarm, My droid I was able to set whatever I wanted to any ringtone or alarm ( my own music) and I was able to make the volume loud enough to actually hear it..
Microphone input why can we not use the microphone anywhere there is a input field? why can we only long press the windows logo or use it for sms? evidently it is built into the OS just fine for voice to txt why not use it across the whole os on any text input field?
No flash?
GPS navigation is piss poor unless you dump 35$ on the Garmin suite.. believe me i have tried every trial and free app this week and they all do not compare to Google maps free on the android..
Also again SOUND unless you drive with NO fan on in the car, no music, and windows rolled up and on a quiet street you will not hear the GPS telling you where to turn.
Battery life:
wow all you have to do is send a few messages and browse the web for less then 5 minutes and you are at a 1/4 power loss ...
Think it is time to head back over to android land where i was able to use the microphone for a lot more voice input...
was able to set ringtone to music I liked and was ABLE TO HEAR IT
was able to HEAR MY alarm clock
was able to HEAR the gps software that was superior and FREE
You could have saved yourself a lot of time, stress and possibly money by reading the posts in this forum which have discussed the points you mentioned about dozens of times.
I feel your pain, I bought a HD7 on launch day and sold it a week later. There weren't any reviews available back then but now, almost a year after launch, all the issues in your post at widely known.
When did you get your HD7?
re: Volume - I've never had an issue with this
re: Nav - GPS Tuner.com's "Turn By Turn" is great and cheap ($5.49 Aussie - Less everywhere else in the world)
re: Battery life - I find it the same as every power hungry smartphone I've owned... I'm used to charging once a day
A lot of the other issues you state will likely be resolved soon... But most you list are WP7 issues rather than HD7 issues...
Perhaps android is more suitable...