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GPS without 3G/edge?

i bought a tilt yesterday and it is my first smartphone. I already flashed it to Dutty's v1.1. With my plan i rely on wifi so i didnt get any data plan.
Without 3g, edge, gprs how can i get GPS to work with my TILT that doesnt cost money?
Anyone want to help a noobout?? If you could teach me some stuff PM!!!

GPS does not cost money because it doesn't uses GPRS/EDGES etc - unless you install and run QuickGPS (or similar). GPS is only receiving freely available satellite info
QuickGPS is a service that helps the GPS unit get its first fix quicker and this uses the internet and hence GPRS/EDGE - but it is optional, so if you are prepared to wait a minute of two to get a good GPS fix, then GPS will not cost you a penny.

how do you get the free gps though?

Could you elaborate a bit? What do you mean by "how do you get the free gps though?". Because as Weasel said, GPS IS Free. Do you mean how do you get free software (i.e. TOMTOM)?

unk3 said:
how do you get the free gps though?
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You already have it, in form of your GPS receiver in your device. If you are wondering how you can get programs/maps to run your GPS with, well there is really just one option for you:
Buy some software! The market is flooded with GPS software, to name a few:
TomTom
iGo
Garmin XT
Destinator
MioMap
and so on...
If you had a data plan, you could use Google Maps in combination with your GPS (google maps is free).
Alternatively, if you are more about using your GPS functionality for hiking, off-road travel,... then I recommend:
GPSTuner 5.2 (excellent software for off-road)
Track-Me (You get this in the Kaiser > Kaiser forum. Great piece of software, and so far it's free)
Either way, you'll need software to make use of the hardware.
Hope this helps a bit.
H.

A good free option would be MGMaps, which uses stored maps and doesn't need to transfer data (however it can do it if you wish).

i guess what im trying to say is, Where can i download "MAPs" or the software that has maps for free.
I tried using googlemaps, but i can only use it when im in a wifi area lol

Tilt & GPS and Internet

Within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I'm planing on getting a Tilt. For all of you already having one I need some info. I've never had a GPS device or Cell phone with that capability so please inform me.
I'm really not playing on using the GPS feature maybe just to play around with and see how it works.
Do I need to have a GPS plan on my account to use this feature, I'm not going to need directions, I just want it to show my location on a map?
Am I correct thinking if I don't use Navagation (Get Directions) feature then its only using my Internet connection?
Can I use any GPS software on the phone?
I'm just trying to make sure I wont be charge for something that I really don't need, just want to try out to locating function here and there. I think it would be fun to have.

GPS is free for using...having a program that usings GPS might not be free..such as tomtom garmin etc...there are going to be free programs such as googlemaps (correct me if i'm wrong)...but using the GPS is completely free and has nothing to do with the cellular provider.

GPS is free
Zaiaku said:
Within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I'm planing on getting a Tilt. For all of you already having one I need some info. I've never had a GPS device or Cell phone with that capability so please inform me.
I'm really not playing on using the GPS feature maybe just to play around with and see how it works.
Do I need to have a GPS plan on my account to use this feature, I'm not going to need directions, I just want it to show my location on a map?
Am I correct thinking if I don't use Navagation (Get Directions) feature then its only using my Internet connection?
Can I use any GPS software on the phone?
I'm just trying to make sure I wont be charge for something that I really don't need, just want to try out to locating function here and there. I think it would be fun to have.
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You are pretty much correct.
To use "GPS" to connect to satellites to determine your location does not cost anything.
Applications like Google Maps and MS Live Search can determine your location and give you directions at no cost. They use your data connetion to download maps.
Other applications like Telenav (which you will have a link to download it on your Tilt) charge for downloading directions.
And other apps use pre-installed maps and do not require a data connection. These come in handy where reception is bad.

This is my first phone with these kinds of features, options and capabilities too Before this Kaiser..aka Tilt I had a Razor V3
You can disable your DATA connection through Comm Manager so it will never access or try to access your provider ( mines ATT/Media.Net)
I suggest doing that otherwise you'll find the charges on your bill and not even know you were using the service. Also you can block DATA through your provider and plan.
I did the 1 month free trail with telenav..it was ok but had problems and is slow since it's all server based ( data connection!!). Plus it will cost you about $10 per month..unless you sign up for years then it goes down to around $5 per month...that was not " attractive" to me
I now use and have used for 4 months Garmin XT..its pretty cool and I drive alot ( 3k miles per month ).
If you dont have DATA you cant cash in on gas prices either ( as well as all the Online Xtras )..and who doesn't think of those prices these days. Also no data means noTraffic unless you use a seperate FM reciever of some sort..
Garmin's not perfect, none of em are, but it's pretty darn accurate
Now if you wanna get some real cool media..like free cable TV on your phone that works very good when you have a data connection...lets talk about my Slingbox

This is my first phone with these kinds of features, options and capabilities too Before this Kaiser..aka Tilt I had a Razor V3
You can disable your DATA connection through Comm Manager so it will never access or try to access your provider ( mines ATT/Media.Net)
I suggest doing that otherwise you'll find the charges on your bill and not even know you were using the service. Also you can block DATA through your provider and plan.
I did the 1 month free trail with telenav..it was ok but had problems and is slow since it's all server based ( you need a data connection!!). Plus it will cost you about $10 per month..unless you sign up for years then it goes down to around $5 per month...that was not " attractive" to me
I now use and have used for 4 months Garmin XT..its pretty cool and I drive alot ( 3k miles per month ). You dont need a Data connection BUT like all of em it's much bettr if you have one
If you dont have DATA you cant cash in on gas prices either ( as well as all the Online Xtras )..and who doesn't think of those prices these days. Also no data means noTraffic unless you use a seperate FM reciever of some sort..
Garmin's not perfect, none of em are, but it's pretty darn accurate It hasn't let me down yet. It has voice but does not say the street name in directions...I dont find that to be a problem. The map and route are clear and once you get use to it you should be fine without street names
Now if you wanna get some real cool media..like free cable TV on your phone that works very good when you have a data connection...lets talk about my Slingbox

I really don't need the GPS feature but would like to be able to try it out, mess with the trakking on it from a few projects I've seen. I rarely try some place to an area I've never been before so its not like I need the directions thing. The first thing I'll do is proably remove telenav from the phone just to make sure I don't accidently use it.
So aslong as I remove telenav, and I have my unlimited internet on my phone I should be all good.

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GPS

Ive searched but i cant find, is therre any ''free'' software that will give you turn by turn direction like turn left here turn right here, my girl has a blackberry and she has a program for the blackberry. I was just wondering if the att tilt has a program like this , i know about google maps and windows live but i dont think they have that feature.

Nope. Google Maps and Windows Live show you directions for free, but don't announce it, and it utilizes your data connection.
There's Telenav if you have AT&T as your wireless provider, 5.99 for 10 routes or 9.99 IIRC for unlimited routes. Or there are programs that you can pay for that will allow this feature without data transfer as it loads your maps on a memory card: Garmin, iGuidance, and TomTom Navigator to name a few. However, prices range from $100-$200.

Windows Live Search does have turn by turn directions. I don't think they're read out loud, but they do have them. If I recall correctly, you are notified by a beep when a turn is coming up. HTH.

TomTom Taser Edition Does Turn by Turn. You get one free Mini-map if you want more you have to buy them, Which is fair If you ask me.
Search around for the TomTom Threads. Or Check out the HTC Kaiser Wiki.

gps app and google maps?

is there a free gps app to use w/google maps?
i am not going to pay ATT montly for it.
im talking about iGO , tomtom , etc--but free.
this is on kaiser..
thanx

Huh... Google maps is a GPS app...
Google maps is free, and will use the signal from the Kaiser's GPS, but the drawback is that you need an active data connection for it to work, and thus need a data plan or something which you'll have to pay.
Other programs don't require anything during usage, but you have to buy them in the first place. There's no free GPS navigation app that I know of.
So.. the matter is choosing between a free program but that you'll have to pay something when you use it (note you'll be able to take advantage of the data connection for the net etc as well) or a payware program that you pay for once and are then quiet with.

what would be one of those payware programs?
suggestions?

kilrah said:
Huh... Google maps is a GPS app...
Google maps is free, and will use the signal from the Kaiser's GPS, but the drawback is that you need an active data connection for it to work, and thus need a data plan or something which you'll have to pay.
Other programs don't require anything during usage, but you have to buy them in the first place. There's no free GPS navigation app that I know of.
So.. the matter is choosing between a free program but that you'll have to pay something when you use it (note you'll be able to take advantage of the data connection for the net etc as well) or a payware program that you pay for once and are then quiet with.
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I've seen a freeware proggy about that allows you to drop in map images i.e. lifted from google. But it would be limited to a single image and only simulate google maps until you ran off the page ... actually this would answer the question 'why did the ancients think the Earth was flat' !!

Which GPS app do you guys think is the best? Garmin, iGO, TomTom?

I would recommend dl'ing tomtom7 for the diamond. it's a "taster" edition where you need to dl voices & a single free city map. After you decide that you like it, you can buy full maps of the US & Canada, Europe, etc...

kilrah said:
Huh... Google maps is a GPS app...
Google maps is free, and will use the signal from the Kaiser's GPS, but the drawback is that you need an active data connection for it to work, and thus need a data plan or something which you'll have to pay.
Other programs don't require anything during usage, but you have to buy them in the first place. There's no free GPS navigation app that I know of.
So.. the matter is choosing between a free program but that you'll have to pay something when you use it (note you'll be able to take advantage of the data connection for the net etc as well) or a payware program that you pay for once and are then quiet with.
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after checking out google maps, i see that it is an app..
you bring me to another question-- i dont want to pay ATT anything for GPS..
are you saying that if i use kaiser GPS, and i have unlimited data plan, att is gonna charge me their gps rates when i use it?
thanx

amkaos said:
after checking out google maps, i see that it is an app..
you bring me to another question-- i dont want to pay ATT anything for GPS..
are you saying that if i use kaiser GPS, and i have unlimited data plan, att is gonna charge me their gps rates when i use it?
thanx
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No, he's just saying that to use Google Maps or Live Search you need an active data connection, which means that you're paying for an unlimited data plan through AT&T or whoever your provider is. If you already have the data plan then you won't incur any further charges for using a GPS program.

LPChris said:
No, he's just saying that to use Google Maps or Live Search you need an active data connection, which means that you're paying for an unlimited data plan through AT&T or whoever your provider is. If you already have the data plan then you won't incur any further charges for using a GPS program.
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Just to add to your explaination...
The maps on Google Maps, and Live Search are updated/uploaded via a internet connection. They are not kept in internal memory. Hence the reason for having an unlimited data plan.

thanx for all replies.
it was late and i misunderstood what i read.
i got spooked about paying for google gps, somehow..
i understand now..
i think it worx really well for me, i dont have to know the exact address destination for it to work..
thnx again

Thinking about upgrading to a tilt, but questions

Im sure this will be easy for you guys. I have a 8125 now with live search on it. My question is if I upgrade to the tilt, is there a way I can use the gps without being charged? I would really appreciate the help. Thanks in advance

a gps don't use the phone it get signals from satellites
so it don't cost anything
but of cause if you use gmaps for navigation it will cost
but if you use tomtom or garmin program and maps you
don't even need a sim card in the phone

The Wizard is cool, but the Tilt...
Hi there,
I use Google Maps...if you pay your provider for internet access (like PDA Connect or MediaNet Unlimited...search on those if you don't know the truth!) then it won't cost you anything more.
There is a clause in the Google Maps program that says not to use it while moving, and I'm still unclear myself as to the exact reasons why, so at least be aware when you are doing something you're 'not supposed to' do...but it works just fine, is EASY to use, has broad general search capabilities, incorporates their Satellite View and practically real-time Traffic info.
If you do NOT pay for internet access (although I strongly suggest taking advantage of the 3G on the Tilt) you can use a 3rd party app like TomTom, Garmin and many others.
I also have DeLorme's Street Atlas 2007, but it does not support the GPS built into the Tilt, I have an external BT GPS for that.
The latest version of Street Atlas has...I believe...addressed that issue and should work fine.
And there are a TON of other GPS programs out there that have many subtle differences to suit whatever your needs are...search the Kaiser > Software Forum and you'll find people who love and hate almost every one of them available. Installing most of them on the SD is more efficient, but some are small enough to put in without one.
The Tilt also has Quick GPS that, when updated regularly, speeds up the satellite acquisition time for the GPS effectively...I usually get a lock within 10-15 seconds, but it does take longer on occasion. Quick GPS downloads info from the Net, so you would need access to utilize that function.
I too had a Wizard before the Tilt...and I liked it alot...but the 3G, the GPS, the 3MP Camera...and THIS FORUM!...have taken me to a point where I LOVE my Tilt, and...although I can 'upgrade' now to a Fuze...I don't think I can get a better phone without going outside my Provider Dealer (AT&T thru Hawk Electronics).
Search the Kaiser Forum for GPS, look specifically in the Software section and I think you'll find more than enough info to help you make your decision.
If you do make the switch, I'd keep the Wizard and start playing with Cooked ROMs and Software so you can get acquainted with the process. What you can do with the Tilt on this Forum is only limited by the time these guys have to tweak.
For what it may or may not be worth, my opinion is...get the Tilt!

Thanks guys, I plan on getting it and I have spb 3 so ill throw it on there right away