Within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I'm planing on getting a Tilt. For all of you already having one I need some info. I've never had a GPS device or Cell phone with that capability so please inform me.
I'm really not playing on using the GPS feature maybe just to play around with and see how it works.
Do I need to have a GPS plan on my account to use this feature, I'm not going to need directions, I just want it to show my location on a map?
Am I correct thinking if I don't use Navagation (Get Directions) feature then its only using my Internet connection?
Can I use any GPS software on the phone?
I'm just trying to make sure I wont be charge for something that I really don't need, just want to try out to locating function here and there. I think it would be fun to have.
GPS is free for using...having a program that usings GPS might not be free..such as tomtom garmin etc...there are going to be free programs such as googlemaps (correct me if i'm wrong)...but using the GPS is completely free and has nothing to do with the cellular provider.
GPS is free
Zaiaku said:
Within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I'm planing on getting a Tilt. For all of you already having one I need some info. I've never had a GPS device or Cell phone with that capability so please inform me.
I'm really not playing on using the GPS feature maybe just to play around with and see how it works.
Do I need to have a GPS plan on my account to use this feature, I'm not going to need directions, I just want it to show my location on a map?
Am I correct thinking if I don't use Navagation (Get Directions) feature then its only using my Internet connection?
Can I use any GPS software on the phone?
I'm just trying to make sure I wont be charge for something that I really don't need, just want to try out to locating function here and there. I think it would be fun to have.
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You are pretty much correct.
To use "GPS" to connect to satellites to determine your location does not cost anything.
Applications like Google Maps and MS Live Search can determine your location and give you directions at no cost. They use your data connetion to download maps.
Other applications like Telenav (which you will have a link to download it on your Tilt) charge for downloading directions.
And other apps use pre-installed maps and do not require a data connection. These come in handy where reception is bad.
This is my first phone with these kinds of features, options and capabilities too Before this Kaiser..aka Tilt I had a Razor V3
You can disable your DATA connection through Comm Manager so it will never access or try to access your provider ( mines ATT/Media.Net)
I suggest doing that otherwise you'll find the charges on your bill and not even know you were using the service. Also you can block DATA through your provider and plan.
I did the 1 month free trail with telenav..it was ok but had problems and is slow since it's all server based ( data connection!!). Plus it will cost you about $10 per month..unless you sign up for years then it goes down to around $5 per month...that was not " attractive" to me
I now use and have used for 4 months Garmin XT..its pretty cool and I drive alot ( 3k miles per month ).
If you dont have DATA you cant cash in on gas prices either ( as well as all the Online Xtras )..and who doesn't think of those prices these days. Also no data means noTraffic unless you use a seperate FM reciever of some sort..
Garmin's not perfect, none of em are, but it's pretty darn accurate
Now if you wanna get some real cool media..like free cable TV on your phone that works very good when you have a data connection...lets talk about my Slingbox
This is my first phone with these kinds of features, options and capabilities too Before this Kaiser..aka Tilt I had a Razor V3
You can disable your DATA connection through Comm Manager so it will never access or try to access your provider ( mines ATT/Media.Net)
I suggest doing that otherwise you'll find the charges on your bill and not even know you were using the service. Also you can block DATA through your provider and plan.
I did the 1 month free trail with telenav..it was ok but had problems and is slow since it's all server based ( you need a data connection!!). Plus it will cost you about $10 per month..unless you sign up for years then it goes down to around $5 per month...that was not " attractive" to me
I now use and have used for 4 months Garmin XT..its pretty cool and I drive alot ( 3k miles per month ). You dont need a Data connection BUT like all of em it's much bettr if you have one
If you dont have DATA you cant cash in on gas prices either ( as well as all the Online Xtras )..and who doesn't think of those prices these days. Also no data means noTraffic unless you use a seperate FM reciever of some sort..
Garmin's not perfect, none of em are, but it's pretty darn accurate It hasn't let me down yet. It has voice but does not say the street name in directions...I dont find that to be a problem. The map and route are clear and once you get use to it you should be fine without street names
Now if you wanna get some real cool media..like free cable TV on your phone that works very good when you have a data connection...lets talk about my Slingbox
I really don't need the GPS feature but would like to be able to try it out, mess with the trakking on it from a few projects I've seen. I rarely try some place to an area I've never been before so its not like I need the directions thing. The first thing I'll do is proably remove telenav from the phone just to make sure I don't accidently use it.
So aslong as I remove telenav, and I have my unlimited internet on my phone I should be all good.
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I'm trying to find a map that doesn't need a data connection to use like google maps or live search does for gps, i have microsoft streets and trips 2005 for desktop, which comes w/a ppc version, but i cant seem to get it to work, one thing is when i install it, it says it's ment for an older version of window mobile and may not work correctly, don't know if it will or not, but another is it says i have to export the map, and i cant figure out how to do that, anyone have any ideas or recommend a cheap/free map to use w/gps w/o needing a data feed?
You could get tomtom navigator, iGuidance, or any other number of software packages.
My question is why don't you have data? Is is because you're out of range or because you don't pay for it as part of your plan? My opinion is that if you're going to dump all the money on a kaiser, you shouldn't stop at the data plan. It's like buying a sports car but refusing to buy gas. The kaiser is a connected device.
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You could get tomtom navigator, iGuidance, or any other number of software packages.
My question is why don't you have data? Is is because you're out of range or because you don't pay for it as part of your plan? My opinion is that if you're going to dump all the money on a kaiser, you shouldn't stop at the data plan. It's like buying a sports car but refusing to buy gas. The kaiser is a connected device.
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I dont really need anything expensive like tomtom, i'd only use it when i cant get a data connection, sometimes i'm way out in BFE and cant get google maps or live search, which is why i'm trying to make ms streets and trips work if i can.
I'm also interested in this, but its harder for me since there aren't many maps for my country (I live in Brazil). Also, 3G networks are only starting to appear now, so data plans are way too expensive. I've been using smart2go with cached data so far, but its not very pratical, and I'm not very fond of that software.
Hi everyone,
I don't know if you have heard of Navizon yet, but it's a great way to earn money by using your phone whilst travelling around with your GPS and Wifi switched on.
Navizon is a wireless positioning system that works a little bit like a GPS, only that it uses Cellular Towers and Wifi access points instead of satellites. In addition to being a wireless position system, Navizon lets you earn money by using the Navizon reward system.
Your phone maps the location of Wifi points and Cell Towers then sends them to Navizon. They give you points for each one you find and 10,000 points = $10 (It sounds like a lot of points BUT they build up really quick, especially if you are mapping areas that nobody else has done yet as you get more points for new areas!)
If you're interested all you need to do is register with Navizon HERE (this is my referral link - by using it to register I get some referral points at no cost to you ) then install the software on your phone from HERE and get Navizon connected to your GPS. Every Wifi access points that you pass, every cell tower that you log will earn you money.
When you have a) registered and b) installed the software - you can make sure it all works ok by loading up Navizon and checking the settings:
Goto Menu>Options> and scroll left to see the GPS tab.
On the GPS tab set the following:
GPS: COM4: (ActiveDevice)
Baud Rate: 4800 (9600 on Tilts/Kaisers is best apparently)
Auto start unticked
Output port: Off
Use Physical output port is ticked.
Then go to the Account tab. Enter the account name and password you registered with - without those nothing syncs and your points go nowhere!
Click OK and if your settings are correct you should start to see three green lights for Phone, Wifi and GPS - it can take a little while to get going. (If you don’t see Wifi, exit the program, launch Wifi, then restart the program)
Your phone should now pick up Access Points (via Wifi) and Cells (Via the Phone) at which point you should see a count appear at the bottom of the screen.
It will start with "0 APs and 0 Cells located" then as it finds a site (either AP or Cell) those numbers will increase e.g. if it found 3 Access Points and 1 Cell Tower you would see 3 APs and 1 Cell located.
Once those numbers show on the counter your phone is seeing sites and you can sync then to add points to your account (Menu > Sync)
It can take a few hours for them to update the points showing on your account so be patient (mine took around 4 hours to appear at first).
For every 10,000 points you gain they send $10 to you via Paypal - its money for (almost) nothing!!
For tips on how to maximise the points you find see THIS post
If you have any questions feel free to ask me.....
Zippyioa
I am going to give this a shot since I drive around a lot. But I installed the software and I am running it....but the Wifi and the GPS aren't doing anything...and I don't see anything to configure these to work.
2 points here 10 pts there and you need 10,000 to get $19.99. AND it has to be different access pts or towers to count for points.
Sorry but this isn't worth the gas spent, imo
DeniaL said:
I am going to give this a shot since I drive around a lot. But I installed the software and I am running it....but the Wifi and the GPS aren't doing anything...and I don't see anything to configure these to work.
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Hi Denial,
If you drive a lot (and make sure you run the software when you do!!) you should get some decent $ as you will find lots of Access Points and Cell towers.
To configure it for GPS click menu>Options>GPS (you may have to scroll left to see the GPS tab)
On the GPS page you need to choose the COM port that is right for your device. My MDA Vario III is COM4: (ActiveDevice) and I chose Baud Rate: 115200 and ticked Auto Start.
It would also be worth making sure you enter your details on the Account tab - you set these up when you registered at http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5D565A5C5A57
As for the WiFi - I usually turn my wifi on in the comm manager before I start up Navizon.
I hope that helps, but please let me know if you have more questions.
Cheers
Zippyioa
Woof_ said:
2 points here 10 pts there and you need 10,000 to get $19.99. AND it has to be different access pts or towers to count for points.
Sorry but this isn't worth the gas spent, imo
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It depends how you look at it Woof - the points required do look high, but if you drive a lot they rack up quickly - I got just over 500 points driving a mile into town today to go buy my food supplies - a journey I was doing anyway.
It wouldn't be sensible to drive around specifically to make money on this program, but if you are doing the journey anyway surely if you can earn some money whilst doing so - it has to be worthwhile??
Aside from making money whilst using it you can also setup Buddies on it, so if you have friends with GPS enabled devices and they install it, you can see where they are as they drive around.
Also its worth noting that many users have said they find EXTRA Access Points when they are on foot or on a bike as you pick up more when you are going slow. Its great as you get paid to get healthy!
Cheers
Zippyioa
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On the GPS page you need to choose the COM port that is right for your device. My MDA Vario III is COM4: (ActiveDevice) and I chose Baud Rate: 115200 and ticked Auto Start.
It would also be worth making sure you enter your details on the Account tab - you set these up when you registered at http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5D565A5C5A57
As for the WiFi - I usually turn my wifi on in the comm manager before I start up Navizon.
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Kaiser's GPS should be set to 4800 so you don't corrupt access to it for other programs.
Remember all APs and Cells count as long as it's NEW to YOUR account. It doesn't matter if somebody else already found it first.
Have you seen how many cells and APs lie around? One way on a 50 mile route, you can rack up something like 5000 points.
NuShrike said:
Kaiser's GPS should be set to 4800 so you don't corrupt access to it for other programs.
Remember all APs and Cells count as long as it's NEW to YOUR account. It doesn't matter if somebody else already found it first.
Have you seen how many cells and APs lie around? One way on a 50 mile route, you can rack up something like 5000 points.
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That means that the acummulation of money greatly decreases, as the AP's and Cells in your vicinity are no longer new?
Tec1106 said:
That means that the acummulation of money greatly decreases, as the AP's and Cells in your vicinity are no longer new?
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There will be a reduction BUT with new sites going live all the time and/or by taking a new route to work or to the shops or friends you can find new sites all the time.
Anytime you go somewhere new just make sure you have Navizon running and you will get points which will get you money - what have you got to lose?
Register here http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAd...e=5D565A5C5A57 Install the software and start earning!
Cheers
Zippyioa
Does this use data? (GSM/3G/Edge/HSDPA)?
tyeo098 said:
Does this use data? (GSM/3G/Edge/HSDPA)?
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It uses your phones Wifi to find Access Points, it uses your phone to find cell towers and it uses your GPS to find where you are so it can map the access points and cell towers. As far I understand it none of these are chargeable or use data.
The position of access points and cell towers is stored in a file which is sent to Navizon using a data connection. By default this is set to sync once per day (at which point it would probably use your cells data connection) however you can disable the auto sync and choose to do it manually - at this point you could use Wifi or an Activesync connection to avoid data charges.
You can stop the auto sync as follows: Menu > Options > Data > Remove the tick from Auto sync daily
Cheers
Zippyioa
zippyioa said:
It uses your phones Wifi to find Access Points, it uses your phone to find cell towers and it uses your GPS to find where you are so it can map the access points and cell towers
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I smell extreme battery drain
Tec1106 said:
I smell extreme battery drain
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Its not great on battery but when you are in the car you can use a car charger so its no problem really.
It is a bit of an issue when on foot or on a bike, but if you are not out for too long and you know you can top it back up again (either by car charger or power socket) again it is not too big an issue.
Hey, you could always use the money you earn to buy a spare battery
Cheers
Zippyioa
Car charger huh?
You obvoisly havent read the myraid of topics about car chargers bricking Kaisers
tyeo098 said:
Car charger huh?
You obvoisly havent read the myraid of topics about car chargers bricking Kaisers
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I have seen a few posts here and there but never had an issue myself.
I have an MDA Vario III from T-Mobile UK and use a car charger that I bought on eBay for my old XDA Orbit. Have been using this setup since the start of October with no problems so I guess I have never really been too bothered about this issue.
Thanks for bringing it up though.
Zippyioa
When I first heard about this program on Friday morning I was unsure that I would ever reach 10,000 points.
For those of you thinking the same, my hometown of Stratford-upon-Avon is not that built up an area. I have only travelled to and from work 10 miles away from home (using mostly rural roads with few buildings) and today into town and back (which is much more built up - lots of APs and cell towers).
I have already built up over 1200 points just on those two drives (25 miles) - that is without travelling around REALLY dense urban areas (big cities) with lots of buildings and also without walking around - just driving which misses lots of sites as it doesnt have time to log them!!
Cheers
Zippyioa
Man zippyioa, mention a good thing and get beaten up for it! To the naysayers, Navizon is a good deal, though yeah it doesn't rack up on your day-to-day commute. But if you do a lot of travel for business or whatever, it can become fairly luicrative. I only used the GPS option on my old 2125 (it didn't have wifi) and i still got 10,000 points pretty quick.
yep.. navizon is super .last week i accumulate 35000 points ( 60$ )
and total amount of money what i earn form navizon up today is 333.03 dollars
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Man zippyioa, mention a good thing and get beaten up for it! To the naysayers, Navizon is a good deal, though yeah it doesn't rack up on your day-to-day commute. But if you do a lot of travel for business or whatever, it can become fairly luicrative. I only used the GPS option on my old 2125 (it didn't have wifi) and i still got 10,000 points pretty quick.
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I completly get the beating part. For me, it feels like this guy is using this forum as a free commercial space for his or his employers product. I don't have not too much respect for that, as this is a Developers and users forum. Forgive me if I'm wrong, though
If I'm wrong, then I recommend not making your posts so cheezy and ad-like. When I read the text, it feels like I'm reading a marketing text for a new product, or so. That's why people turn naysayers
Hi Tec1106,
Thank you for the reality check - I hadn't realised how cheesy my first post sounded - point taken and amendments have now been made - hopefully it reads better now?
I guess years of working in sales have taken their toll on me as I didn't even realise I was doing it!
I work for a data cleansing company in Warwick UK and have no link to Navizon other than recently joining this scheme. I found this software through Paul at Modaco on Friday morning, saw the potential to earn money from it and wanted to share that chance to earn money with everyone here.
I have been using the XDA developers site for several years now to help me fix issues on my phone and I thought this would be a nice way to pay everyone back for the help they have given me - I also thought it was nice to earn something back from our expensive devices for a change.
Zippyioa
Zip I would agree on the cheesy part. I did however sign up using your code just to give it a try. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for the tip.
I have the telenav maps app on my tilt but want the full gps version with the turn by turn talking directions,how do I get this? Do I simply download or buy the full service for $9.99 a month? it doesn't seem to be giving me an opion to do that later. Thanks for any help guys.
sounds like you need to talk to att or telenav
There's a cab floating around, search on the forum for it. I think Dutty has one on his site too.
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1911luver said:
I have the telenav maps app on my tilt but want the full gps version with the turn by turn talking directions,how do I get this? Do I simply download or buy the full service for $9.99 a month? it doesn't seem to be giving me an opion to do that later. Thanks for any help guys.
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yes $9.99/month unless you know someone at AT$T. that's the only way to get turn by turn talking directions w/ telenav.
hey thanks guys so your saying if i use the "upgrade to gps navgation" option for $9.99 a month ill get the talking turn by turn directions? Also is there anyway to route the audio to my bluetooth headset?
Go to the TeleNav site. They have a free 30 day demo and their site pretty much sums up everything you need to know.
Afaik, TeleNav is about the only GPS mapping program that you can speak your destination into and it will come up with a route. It calls a toll-free number and does it via voice recognition.
Their POI database is much larger than most as well. Map updates are (supposedly) every three months, unlike others which may be years.
Mack
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1911luver said:
I have the telenav maps app on my tilt but want the full gps version with the turn by turn talking directions,how do I get this? Do I simply download or buy the full service for $9.99 a month? it doesn't seem to be giving me an opion to do that later. Thanks for any help guys.
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I have been using TeleNav for a couple of months past the 30 day trial and have been pleased with it. My rational is that for 10 bucks a month I can go 20-30 months ($200-$300) which is what I would spend on a separate GPS that I would have to replace by that time anyhow. If a real killer deal comes up on a separate GPS I can just cancel this service.
Some of the things I like are:
1. Street announcements for turns. A friend just got a new Tom-Tom so we were using them together in the car. I do prefer the way the TeleNav communicates the route by street names.
2. I have used the call in service while I was driving and it worked well.
3. I like the choices of the way you want your route to be planned. Your choices are:
Fastest
Shortest
Traffic Optimized
Prefer Streets
Prefer highways
Pedestrian
4. Web site ability to set up routes.
5. It seems to "play well" with the other two programs that I usually run with it (Navizon and another favorite GPS Speed - http://tchartdev.com/ )
No bad negatives but:
1. When the screen dims and I touch it to bring the screen up I sometimes move my position a bit but it is recoverable quickly.
2. Of course screen size but that is just the nature of GPS on the Tilt.
3. Volume is better with the new ROM update and KTweak but I still would like it louder - "Huh Wad ya say"
4. I would like an easy way to repeat the last direction due to 3 above.
Neutral:
Sometimes I can't find the closest Wal-Mart when traveling but that is the same problem I had with the Never-Lost that I used to get in the Hertz cars I rented while traveling out of town.
It wasn't until I let the trial time expire and I had to pay for it one month that I really started to play with the features so I will probably keep it for the foreseeable future.
Overall, I would think it is worth spending 10 - 20 bucks for a couple of extra months to see if you really find it useful.
is there a free gps app to use w/google maps?
i am not going to pay ATT montly for it.
im talking about iGO , tomtom , etc--but free.
this is on kaiser..
thanx
Huh... Google maps is a GPS app...
Google maps is free, and will use the signal from the Kaiser's GPS, but the drawback is that you need an active data connection for it to work, and thus need a data plan or something which you'll have to pay.
Other programs don't require anything during usage, but you have to buy them in the first place. There's no free GPS navigation app that I know of.
So.. the matter is choosing between a free program but that you'll have to pay something when you use it (note you'll be able to take advantage of the data connection for the net etc as well) or a payware program that you pay for once and are then quiet with.
what would be one of those payware programs?
suggestions?
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Huh... Google maps is a GPS app...
Google maps is free, and will use the signal from the Kaiser's GPS, but the drawback is that you need an active data connection for it to work, and thus need a data plan or something which you'll have to pay.
Other programs don't require anything during usage, but you have to buy them in the first place. There's no free GPS navigation app that I know of.
So.. the matter is choosing between a free program but that you'll have to pay something when you use it (note you'll be able to take advantage of the data connection for the net etc as well) or a payware program that you pay for once and are then quiet with.
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I've seen a freeware proggy about that allows you to drop in map images i.e. lifted from google. But it would be limited to a single image and only simulate google maps until you ran off the page ... actually this would answer the question 'why did the ancients think the Earth was flat' !!
Which GPS app do you guys think is the best? Garmin, iGO, TomTom?
I would recommend dl'ing tomtom7 for the diamond. it's a "taster" edition where you need to dl voices & a single free city map. After you decide that you like it, you can buy full maps of the US & Canada, Europe, etc...
kilrah said:
Huh... Google maps is a GPS app...
Google maps is free, and will use the signal from the Kaiser's GPS, but the drawback is that you need an active data connection for it to work, and thus need a data plan or something which you'll have to pay.
Other programs don't require anything during usage, but you have to buy them in the first place. There's no free GPS navigation app that I know of.
So.. the matter is choosing between a free program but that you'll have to pay something when you use it (note you'll be able to take advantage of the data connection for the net etc as well) or a payware program that you pay for once and are then quiet with.
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after checking out google maps, i see that it is an app..
you bring me to another question-- i dont want to pay ATT anything for GPS..
are you saying that if i use kaiser GPS, and i have unlimited data plan, att is gonna charge me their gps rates when i use it?
thanx
amkaos said:
after checking out google maps, i see that it is an app..
you bring me to another question-- i dont want to pay ATT anything for GPS..
are you saying that if i use kaiser GPS, and i have unlimited data plan, att is gonna charge me their gps rates when i use it?
thanx
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No, he's just saying that to use Google Maps or Live Search you need an active data connection, which means that you're paying for an unlimited data plan through AT&T or whoever your provider is. If you already have the data plan then you won't incur any further charges for using a GPS program.
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No, he's just saying that to use Google Maps or Live Search you need an active data connection, which means that you're paying for an unlimited data plan through AT&T or whoever your provider is. If you already have the data plan then you won't incur any further charges for using a GPS program.
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Just to add to your explaination...
The maps on Google Maps, and Live Search are updated/uploaded via a internet connection. They are not kept in internal memory. Hence the reason for having an unlimited data plan.
thanx for all replies.
it was late and i misunderstood what i read.
i got spooked about paying for google gps, somehow..
i understand now..
i think it worx really well for me, i dont have to know the exact address destination for it to work..
thnx again
Im sure this will be easy for you guys. I have a 8125 now with live search on it. My question is if I upgrade to the tilt, is there a way I can use the gps without being charged? I would really appreciate the help. Thanks in advance
a gps don't use the phone it get signals from satellites
so it don't cost anything
but of cause if you use gmaps for navigation it will cost
but if you use tomtom or garmin program and maps you
don't even need a sim card in the phone
The Wizard is cool, but the Tilt...
Hi there,
I use Google Maps...if you pay your provider for internet access (like PDA Connect or MediaNet Unlimited...search on those if you don't know the truth!) then it won't cost you anything more.
There is a clause in the Google Maps program that says not to use it while moving, and I'm still unclear myself as to the exact reasons why, so at least be aware when you are doing something you're 'not supposed to' do...but it works just fine, is EASY to use, has broad general search capabilities, incorporates their Satellite View and practically real-time Traffic info.
If you do NOT pay for internet access (although I strongly suggest taking advantage of the 3G on the Tilt) you can use a 3rd party app like TomTom, Garmin and many others.
I also have DeLorme's Street Atlas 2007, but it does not support the GPS built into the Tilt, I have an external BT GPS for that.
The latest version of Street Atlas has...I believe...addressed that issue and should work fine.
And there are a TON of other GPS programs out there that have many subtle differences to suit whatever your needs are...search the Kaiser > Software Forum and you'll find people who love and hate almost every one of them available. Installing most of them on the SD is more efficient, but some are small enough to put in without one.
The Tilt also has Quick GPS that, when updated regularly, speeds up the satellite acquisition time for the GPS effectively...I usually get a lock within 10-15 seconds, but it does take longer on occasion. Quick GPS downloads info from the Net, so you would need access to utilize that function.
I too had a Wizard before the Tilt...and I liked it alot...but the 3G, the GPS, the 3MP Camera...and THIS FORUM!...have taken me to a point where I LOVE my Tilt, and...although I can 'upgrade' now to a Fuze...I don't think I can get a better phone without going outside my Provider Dealer (AT&T thru Hawk Electronics).
Search the Kaiser Forum for GPS, look specifically in the Software section and I think you'll find more than enough info to help you make your decision.
If you do make the switch, I'd keep the Wizard and start playing with Cooked ROMs and Software so you can get acquainted with the process. What you can do with the Tilt on this Forum is only limited by the time these guys have to tweak.
For what it may or may not be worth, my opinion is...get the Tilt!
Thanks guys, I plan on getting it and I have spb 3 so ill throw it on there right away