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Google Maps 2.0 with My Location - no need for GPS?

Just tried the new GMaps 2.0 and my location works flawlessly.
Called "My Location," the feature comes as part of the release of version 2.0 of Google Maps for mobile. My Location uses cell tower ID information to determine (approximately) where you are. Google says that it uses special "Google-developed-algorithms" to determine this, which sounds like fancy talk for triangulation (a supported phone can determine how far it is from the three closest cell towers and then pinpoint the approximate spot of the caller).
Anybody else tried it?

Did you try while driving ??
(I'll still keep my GPS chip for a while)

It's better than nothing but not very accurate. On my Kaiser, I will continue to use my GPS.

sebbes said:
Did you try while driving ??
(I'll still keep my GPS chip for a while)
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About to will update when I get back

Just tried it in the UK and the location thingy is temporarily unavailable.

kavi said:
Anybody else tried it?
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Yes, though when I'm on 3G towers it gives the "temporarily unavailable" message, works when I get an EDGE tower - 1600meter granularity!
Great feature, very cool, will not replace GPS. Our 3G towers just came up last month so that may be why they're not in the Google database yet....though I recall other reports of 3G location not working.
Richard

Didn't work for me either, I'm in the UK (south wales)
Did notice the GPS location is a little more accurate with 2.0
Tended to jump a lot with the older version

I heard it was only good to a 3 mile (4.8km) radius. Not nearly good enough to give you turn by turn directions.

jgermuga said:
I heard it was only good to a 3 mile (4.8km) radius. Not nearly good enough to give you turn by turn directions.
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No, even google's site says the accuracy is dependent on the cell tower spacing. In my case, at my desk at work it reports 1600m (1.6km) accuracy, so definitely not turn-by-turn. In a densely towered (urban?) area, I suppose it's vaguely possible to have sufficient accuracy for rough turn-by-turn though.
Richard

Still, GPS is obviously much better.
I would have appreciated this with my older non-gps phone though and I am hopeful that they will offer this as an iPhone update for my wife.

jgermuga said:
I heard it was only good to a 3 mile (4.8km) radius. Not nearly good enough to give you turn by turn directions.
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I've tried the Navizon version and it can be a lot better in urban environments where the cells are far smaller. In most of central london, Navizon can get a fix to an accuracy of a hudred yards or so. I have seen it do better than GPS since it is less vulnerable to the "Urban Canyon" effect. In rural areas, the coverage of each cell is much larger and I would expect the accuracy to fall to half a mile or worse.
Martin

I live in Minneapolis. AT&T rolled out 3G here on 1 November. I loaded up GM2.0 and it was right on the money. I was even inside my house.

I don't see how the program could triangulate a device out in the suburb. In a metro, yes, it's possible. Satellite GPS navigation is not going to be replaced anytime soon; however, I can see the "traingulation" come in handy for emergency situations.

sherpa said:
I don't see how the program could triangulate a device out in the suburb. In a metro, yes, it's possible. Satellite GPS navigation is not going to be replaced anytime soon; however, I can see the "traingulation" come in handy for emergency situations.
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It doesn't matter where you are, suburbs or metro. If you have 3 antennas, you can use triangulation, period.
While it's not good for turn-by-turn navigation, it would be good enough to get a quick fix and be able to search for something in the immediate area.

Try thinking of it as a tool for people without gps. Imagine you're lost and you can get a general idea of where you are. Then drive a mile and do it again...now you have a bearing on where you are headed.
This won't replace gps or give you directions until it can get to that accuracy.

I just install it, and i was coming on here to create a thread but looks like someone beat me to it. gMAP just got a whole lot better, I was like oh sh*t it uses the cell phone towers to show my location. this the bomb. google stepping the game up.
Mine works great on the 3G but i do get that unavailable bar sometime.

so for those of us that like the way the old version works with 'track location' gps feature, is the new 2.0 version beter or just stick with the old ?

bobcho10 said:
so for those of us that like the way the old version works with 'track location' gps feature, is the new 2.0 version beter or just stick with the old ?
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It still works with GPS, but you can also get a quick location fix via cell towers like people have been discussing.

Built in GPS not working anymore
Lidberg said:
It still works with GPS, but you can also get a quick location fix via cell towers like people have been discussing.
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I do not appear to be able to use my built in gps in this new version of Google Maps. The settings are identical to my previous installation which worked flawlessly. The cell based location does appear accurate on my initial tests. But if I turn off the gprs or 3g radio and switch to wifi I am unable to get a fix at all.
I broke my own cardinal rule and overwrote my backup of cabs so I cant reinstall the previous version, Doh.
Does anyone have a copy of the previous version installation cab? Or is there a trick to using the Kaisers built in gps? as I said earlier my settings are setup the same way as worked previously.

wizzzard said:
Does anyone have a copy of the previous version installation cab? Or is there a trick to using the Kaisers built in gps? as I said earlier my settings are setup the same way as worked previously.
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2.0.0 works fine on my Tilt, as did 1.7.1 - both with the GPS Options set to let Windows manage the GPS. Way back when I had to tell it COM4: to get Gmaps to work, IIRC.
In any case, 1.7.1 can be downloaded from Google here:
http://www.google.com/gmm/winm_apps/v1.7.1/L1/GoogleMaps_compressed.CAB
HTH,
Richard

ATT 8925 - Won't see 3G

Hello All,
Been reading this forum for quite a while, 1st time posting. This community has helped me improve my life immeasurably in the past couple years.
I got an HTC Tilt a couple days ago. Unfortunately it's not able to be returned or warrantied. When I first turned the device on it saw the 3G network (or at least displayed the icon; I never had the chance to connect). I navigated to my sd card and went to delete Fieldtest.exe, which I had placed there for ease of use from my previous 8525 (I do some network testing for my job). I forgot and tapped it rather than holding down the stylus and opened the program; the 3G icon disappeared and went to E and I haven't been able to get it back. I've tried clearing the memory and have completely reflashed the device using the HTC retail ROM. Also tried kaisertweaks to enable HSDPA and the bandselect tool.
This is really bizarre. I don't think that Fieldtest.exe could have damaged just the 3G portion of the chipset.. but I'm running out of ideas. I've searched through this forum (finding wonderful nuggets of information as usual - can't wait to try Digitaltigre's method for using the Kaiser, or maybe old 8525, as DiNovo Mini) and others to try to find others with a similar experience and I've done the obvious (reflashing the radio I thought for sure would do it). Besides this the device works great - EDGE connects and is usable, voice calling works, tethering works, etc.
Any ideas you folks can come up with would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Shoehopper
ROM: 1.62.502.0
ROM date: 01/17/08
Radio version: 1.27.14.09
Protocol version: 22.45.88.07H
And I'm in a very strong 3G area (-65 to -70 dBm typically)

did u try changing your rom or doing a clear storage?

I tried both. The ROM I reflashed was the same version as the ROM that was already on it however.

try a different one

are you sure your area is 3G enabled? or at least have decent enough 3g coverage.
try this one addon it's called band select. it adds a tab to your phone settings where it lets you pick auto, regular gsm (G,E), or 3G. You can then force it to be on 3G only. The problem is, if this doesnt work it may mean what you thought earlier that either your 3G chip is messed up or you just not in a decent coverage area for 3G.
i cant find it on my pc, if you do a quick search you may unveil it. hope that helps

using 3g off/on in comm manager works for me or if i wanna get serious i use bandswitch or comm manager pro www.commmgrpro.com

shoehopper said:
...Unfortunately it's not able to be returned or warrantied...
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Why is this? Even a secondhand Tilt will be less than 1 year old, and covered by AT&T's warranty.

I tried using BandSwitch, when I pick UMTS it constantly searches for signal (... under the antenna icon and x on the connection icon). Selecting Auto reverts to E.
I am certain of being in UMTS area (Redmond, WA HQ building of certain large wireless organization.. which is also why I cannot warranty or exchange he device).
Thanks,
shoehopper

errr nm i did some homework. Thought i had an answer.
eeeekkkkkkk
weird. I have some bugs depending where i am if the signals are real strong, i sometimes cant seem to leave my wifi on and stream info over 3g AND use my bluetooth. Are you running anything else at ALL. ? in the case i mentioned, i sometimes have to turn off my wifi to get my bluetooth to work.
Maybe some weird bug w/ something else your running?

NotATreoFan said:
Why is this? Even a secondhand Tilt will be less than 1 year old, and covered by AT&T's warranty.
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Found on the side of the road?
fell out of the truck?
Stolen?

It was company provided, which means I'm not out anything personally, but it does have a $ value nonetheless. Being company provided but outside the retail channel, it is not able to be warrantied or returned. Sheesh.. people assume the worst.
I am not running any fancy connections. Haven't even turned on the Wifi or Bluetooth. No programs (besides the aforementioned kaisertweaks, and now BandSelect). It's not that it doesn't connect; it doesn't even SEE that there is UMTS coverage available, only EDGE.
Thanks,
shoehopper

I'd try a warranty exchange anyways, if I were you. (Once you've determined if there is a hardware problem...) Supposedly the warranty follows the device, no matter what channel it takes to get to the current end user. Anyways, that's what I've heard, and it wouldn't hurt to try. Just call customer service and ask for the warranty department.

Separate radio for 3G?

Are there two physical radios in the Tilt/TyTN II? I ask because I'm experiencing a strange problem that nobody else seems to have seen before. That, or nobody noticed my posts here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335096
The problem is that phone/data work fine when the phone is in non-3G mode. (In the Comm Manager, available in most recent ROMs, I have disabled the 3G mode, so I'm using only GSM here in the US).
In 3G mode, I'll get a 3G icon (used to get an H, months ago), but will be unable to place/receive calls, and no data connections will be established -- they'll all time out or say that "the answering modem has disconnected."
So, back to my question: is it possible that my radio is partly damaged? Can that happen? I'm not sure how else to explain the utter lack of 3G on my phone.

can't have a damaged radio, you could have the wrong radio for the device and/or version of windows mobile. 3g only works if in 3g area,have it enabled and turned on through comm manager.also make sure you're network settings are correct and make sure phone is set to auto in networks tab in phone settings,not set to gsm/cdma
PS, the search tool/wiki are you're friends since this has been covered too many times

dyetheskin said:
can't have a damaged radio, you could have the wrong radio for the device and/or version of windows mobile. 3g only works if in 3g area,have it enabled and turned on through comm manager.also make sure you're network settings are correct and make sure phone is set to auto in networks tab in phone settings,not set to gsm/cdma
PS, the search tool/wiki are you're friends since this has been covered too many times
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Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I've tried everything I can think of, and everything suggested. Nearly ever ROM I've seen, with nearly every radio; every combination of wap.cingular, isp.cingular, etc. The AT&T store thinks the phone is defective b/c they can't figure it out, either. In response to your comments: tried every version of windows mobile and most of the radios available; I'm very much in a HSDPA 3G area (used to get 5 bars "H" all the time); 3G is enabled; network settings are correct; phone is set to auto/auto.
Any other ideas, anyone? I appreciate it!

I've been have the same exact problem. I posted about it about a month and a half ago, but got nothing.
Everything worked perfectly until one day, out of nowhere, 3G stopped working for me. I've also tried multiple radios and ROMs and to no avail. The weird thing is that when it stopped working, nothing had been changed in months.
I know that I'm definitely in a 3G coverage area because I used to get 3G service all the time.
If I turn 3G on, it'll work in an edge only area, but as soon as it switches over to WCDMA, the problems occur.
This is super aggravating.

AndyNJ said:
I've been have the same exact problem. I posted about it about a month and a half ago, but got nothing.
Everything worked perfectly until one day, out of nowhere, 3G stopped working for me. I've also tried multiple radios and ROMs and to no avail. The weird thing is that when it stopped working, nothing had been changed in months.
I know that I'm definitely in a 3G coverage area because I used to get 3G service all the time.
If I turn 3G on, it'll work in an edge only area, but as soon as it switches over to WCDMA, the problems occur.
This is super aggravating.
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Well, the good part is, you're not alone. I found another forum online (can't remember where, I'm at work now and I found it last night) were several people were having the exact same problem -- in various countries around the world, including the US.
They had decent luck flashing the stock HTC ROM and then the French radio mentioned on the big XDA radio post (search google for "kaiser radio" and you should see it). However, I did the same and still have the 3G problem.

did you try using a shipped att rom and see if you still have this problem? if the problem goes away, then maybe its just a rom/radio mismatch problem. if it doesnt, then its more likely a hardware failure.

I'm in france, and since few days, i've the same problem, and i haven't change the radio. the phone is going for repair.
link to my post

XtreMe_G said:
did you try using a shipped att rom and see if you still have this problem? if the problem goes away, then maybe its just a rom/radio mismatch problem. if it doesnt, then its more likely a hardware failure.
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Yep -- I've tried going all the way back to the original ROM and radio. No go.

yeantbron said:
I'm in france, and since few days, i've the same problem, and i haven't change the radio. the phone is going for repair.
link to my post
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Can you keep us posted on what happens when it comes back? If it's really a hardware problem, many inquiring minds would love to know.
Bonne chance!

chaosniner said:
Are there two physical radios in the Tilt/TyTN II? I ask because I'm experiencing a strange problem that nobody else seems to have seen before. That, or nobody noticed my posts here:
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As mentioned in this thread, some shipments of the TyTN II have faulty hardware with broken 3G support.
No patch or driver update can fix this because it is a hardware problem. I experienced exactly the same issue with my first TyTN II and finally replaced it with a new device which works flawlessly out of the box.
I believe you should also better get your device replaced if you ever want to use 3G.

Can you keep us posted on what happens when it comes back? If it's really a hardware problem, many inquiring minds would love to know.
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Yes of course !

Well, 4 days to receive my phone !!
and they have changed :
_motherboard
_antenna
and MAJ rom and radio
Version de ROM : 1.56.163.8 ===> 1.56.163.9
Date de ROM : 09/04/07 ===> 10/15/07
Version de radio : 1.27.12.11 ===> 1.27.12.32
Version de protocole : 22.45.88.07H ===> not changed

are you saying you have gotten your phone back? is it working now?

GPS profile changer

Hi,
I am looking for an application that can automatically switch profile depending of your location (using GPS).
Does such application exist for WM6?
Thanks,

Yeah that would be nice.
I have tried CommMgrpro:
http://www.commmgrpro.com/
But I can't find out if it works on GPS too.
It work perfect on GSM.
But it seems to drain the battery way too fast.

The interface is terrible!
Far too complexe, I am not a .NET developer, I'll try to post that as a request.
So may be someone will figure out how to make a simple app...
Thanks,

I can't see the point, do you switch on GPS each time when approaching your office so it can select right profile ? Wouldnt it be easier to press an on-screen button to do that ?

You are right the GPS would have to be always on.
I was just using an application on symbian called miniGPS, it was doing exactly this but by using the GSM network. GPS would be far more accurate.

Are you sure this would be workable in practice given the high power consumption of the GPS?
Mathew

itresa said:
GPS would be far more accurate.
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As said above it is not gonna work with GPS, it will eat your battery super fast ... not a bad idea with GSM though ... I would definately be interested in such utility

Are you a Newbie with questions about ATT Pure

Ask me any questions you might have about ATT pure and i will be more than glad to answer it for you here

Im looking to buy a pure in a week and unlock it for tmobile. Would i be better off unlocking it and having to work around the ATT ROM (I did this with my pantech duo and its not fun.) or install the stock Topaz ROM from htc. and if I do the latter (the best option all acounts) will I have to install any extra drivers the pure?

I am a newbee. I am just coming over from my Touch HD T8285 and need to know how to HSPL. I have read the thread but it keeps giving me a connection error. I am pretty familiar with flashing on my polaris, hd, tilt, but I am having a hard time with the pure. Any help would be great.

Came over from a moto q, how do I change the colors of the touch flo icons and bar, I already found where to change the start bar and the lower bar but touch flo is still att blue. Do I have to make a custom rom or edit some registry settings or what?

01eger said:
Im looking to buy a pure in a week and unlock it for tmobile. Would i be better off unlocking it and having to work around the ATT ROM (I did this with my pantech duo and its not fun.) or install the stock Topaz ROM from htc. and if I do the latter (the best option all acounts) will I have to install any extra drivers the pure?
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IIRC you will only get edge on this if you jump to tmobile. If you use the ATT rom, you will probably have media net setup automatically and it might be a pita to try to setup.
Maybe I read the specs wrong on the frequencies though

Yodarage said:
Came over from a moto q, how do I change the colors of the touch flo icons and bar, I already found where to change the start bar and the lower bar but touch flo is still att blue. Do I have to make a custom rom or edit some registry settings or what?
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You'll have to install a new theme that overwrites TF3D.

I just got my phone upgrade to HTC pure from ATT. I have bought the unlock from http://www.htc-unlocks.com/ ( Olipro ) .Everything went well for unlocking but when I restart the phone it went to dead. After HARD reboot shows as:
Security unlocked
TOPA210 32M
SPL-1.33.01 iMex
MicroP-Topaz (LED) v11
TPMFG DATA
512,555 190,897
191,208 833,208
833,899 calibrated
Can Someone here help ?
Thanks!

ATT Pure
How do you "reset" the Pure.
My old Tilt had a hole for the stylis to reboot it.

The reset hole is in the stylus housing, a small red dot.

syntrix said:
IIRC you will only get edge on this if you jump to tmobile. If you use the ATT rom, you will probably have media net setup automatically and it might be a pita to try to setup.
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thats what I thought. what drivers would I have to if I use the htc stock rom?
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Maybe I read the specs wrong on the frequencies though
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no your right about the frequencys. tmobiles 3g is 1700 mhz att is 1900 I think. I dont use mobile internet any way so 3g is not so necessary for me.

You are basically screwed if you thought you would get "3G" on tmob (then again, they don't have good "3g" coverage, so maybe you wouldn't notice).
Return the phone or admit your mistake.

Yea really, I don't see why ppl are buying this phone specifically desiged for the AT&T 3g Spectrum to use on TMO. But, then again TMO does have a unique choice of bands who no one likes to manufacture unless you get it from them. Atleast, Nokia makes AT&T band devices once in a blue moon.

Questions
I am not a newbie, but have some questions re my new Pure:
1 - Is there a program that can map and control all or more of the buttons using push and hold - like hbuttons?
2 - What about making the zoom area usable for special functions?
3 - is there a working TCPMP that can play all .flv files including the on2v6 codec?

I've only had mine for ~24 hours at this point. I had a Tilt before this, but I have a couple questions about the Pure:
1. The TouchFlo screens let you set the wallpaper for the home screen, but the other screens all have the Death Star logo. Is there a way to change that without flashing the ROM? I don't want to flash yet because:
a. it's too soon
b. the HSPL program didn't work.
2. Next to the USB port, there are two holes; one very tiny one above it about the size of a stylus point, and another to the right that is much larger. I'm hoping that the top hole is the microphone, and the one on the right is for a phone strap. Can anyone confirm that? I'd hope not to damage the microphone with my repeated attempts to hang a keitai strap from it.
3. Is there a way to remove the battery icon from the status bar on top? I plan to use a different one that I like better, so having the other one there is redundant.
In return for getting my questions answered, I will check back here and answer others' questions based on my experiences.

ankitb4u said:
Yea really, I don't see why ppl are buying this phone specifically desiged for the AT&T 3g Spectrum to use on TMO. But, then again TMO does have a unique choice of bands who no one likes to manufacture unless you get it from them. Atleast, Nokia makes AT&T band devices once in a blue moon.
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It's true. None of the 4 national CellCos (is that a word?) are compatible with one another. The ones that share frequencies don't share technologies. To exacerbate the problem further, Europe uses 2100MHz, which is different from North America. So, if you want 3G to work right, alas, you have to get a phone from your carrier.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

Too many questions and so little answers? Where's our wiseman?
I just bought mine but I'm going to wait to see the answers, like that won't be posting the same questions

Archpope said:
I've only had mine for ~24 hours at this point. I had a Tilt before this, but I have a couple questions about the Pure:
1. The TouchFlo screens let you set the wallpaper for the home screen, but the other screens all have the Death Star logo. Is there a way to change that without flashing the ROM? I don't want to flash yet because:
a. it's too soon
b. the HSPL program didn't work.
2. Next to the USB port, there are two holes; one very tiny one above it about the size of a stylus point, and another to the right that is much larger. I'm hoping that the top hole is the microphone, and the one on the right is for a phone strap. Can anyone confirm that? I'd hope not to damage the microphone with my repeated attempts to hang a keitai strap from it.
3. Is there a way to remove the battery icon from the status bar on top? I plan to use a different one that I like better, so having the other one there is redundant.
In return for getting my questions answered, I will check back here and answer others' questions based on my experiences.
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3 - If you go to alarms screen the more tab (last tab) you can have the time show up at the top.

I just got the Pure from ATT store and happy me
I am a complete noob with windows phone, so bear with me
1. I connected my phone to the Wi-Fi at my house, and launched Opera. However 90% of the time the browser just simply could not load a webpage. Anything else that require data would not work either (this includes the weather tab). Every once in a while it would load up some data and then it would stop working again. Did I get a defective phone?
2. Like everyone else has asked, is there a way to change the blueish TF3D theme with ATT logo to something else?
3. On the Internet tab on TF3D, when I click Launch web browser it automatically directs me to att.net. Is there a way to change it to some other websites?

^
1. opera i have found is horrible on this phone. its has know problem working on the medianet setting on the phone when using wifi. go to the connection settings and change it to ATT isp and it will work. I use IE for browsing and Skyfire for flash
2. not on the stock rom

bluemax189 said:
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1. opera i have found is horrible on this phone. its has know problem working on the medianet setting on the phone when using wifi. go to the connection settings and change it to ATT isp and it will work. I use IE for browsing and Skyfire for flash
2. not on the stock rom
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Works perfect! Thanks!
Any light on the default att.net homepage issue?