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I have 3 stereo bluetooth devices and 2 headset only devices.
The problem comes from auto re-connecting to the stereo devices.
The only way it seems to work at all is if I pair all the stereo devices first.
If I reset, then I usually have to click and hold on the device in BT Settings and select "set as wireless stereo" to get the stereo connection to kick in.
In my tests I have made sure only one device is on at a time.
It certainly is not as easy as it should be.
It seems to be worse after a Tilt reset.
So my questions are : Has anyone else seen this behavior and is there a fix or work-around for it?
If not, does anyone no how to make a direct link to the BT Settings Window so at least it would only be a couple clicks to fix it?
You need at least one of each device (headset and stereo headset) to see this problem.
I've seen this with my Wizard as well as the Tytn II, so I suspect it's a "feature" of the MS BT stack. I think it's somehow related to the "set as wireless stereo" feature -- apparently only one device at a time can have that setting, and MS turns the setting off if it can't connect to that device. Note that there's no such setting for handsfree, and connections on that profile work flawlessly between multiple devices.
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What I found out is that if you pair all your stereo devices first and then all the non-stereo, things seem to work a bit better and Dutty's BT-Link plugin will reconnect the stereo part most of the time, so its only a click away and sometimes you don't need to turn the device to discover mode.
However, if anyone from MS reads this, there is no reason not to automatically connect into full stereo, IF the device is the only one in the list that can be found at any point in time. And if they wanted to be really cool, if not, then present the user with a list so he can click to choose.
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Hi BSW11,
Im having a similar problem with the pairing of my carkit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1717330#post1717330
I believe it can be traced to the the MS BT stack not handling the automatic re-pairing correctly. I am surprised that not many other people have notice or complained in this forum about it.
Adam
No BT Wireless Stereo device will auto-connect to any WM device, you have to tell your phone to connect to it via the BT setting unless a 3rd party app has that function built in to it. This is a 'feature' of MS WM OS system.
Any BT 'headset' (ie mono earpiece) will auto connect if it has been selected for 'use as headset'
Hope this helps.
Hi all,
I've just bought my first HTC unit ever (Kaiser), which is also my first Windows Mobile Phone (I used PocketPCs since 2001 but with no integrated phone so far), and it seems to have a lot of issues in the areas of "regular phone" functionality.
However, the one that is really freaking me out so far is the whole "Bluetooth audio" area. I'm just wondering whether I would ever be able to get what I want or am I asking too much.
I have 3 Bluetooth audio devices, all of them are dual Headset/Headphone ones: in-car fixed Motorola T605, Jabra BT8010 and Plantronics 590. Now, naturally, I want to use the T605 in the car, Jabra for phone calls only throughout the day and for music occasionally, and Plantronics when I'm in the gym, for both music and occasional incoming phone calls.
I had all this working flawlessly with my SonyEricsson K800i phone: each device connected to the phone automatically when powered up and automatically took over both Headset and Headphone functions. The only minor problem was reconnecting Jabra when stepping out of the car, which required only a short tap on the button.
Now, with Kaiser, things are much more complicated. When a device (any of them) is connected to the phone, both as Headset and Headphones, it works mostly OK, although sometimes there is a problem of sound not coming through the device when an incoming call was answered while playing music. The music is suspended OK, but the sound comes from the phone speaker instead of the respective Bluetooth device. This happens from time to time, not always.
But the biggest problem is the initial connection of a device after another one has already been connected. When I enter my car and fire up the engine, I want the T605 to automatically connect to the phone even if Jabra has already been connected. This I was unable to achieve. Instead, I have to manually disconnect Jabra (by powering it off or temporarily powering off Bluetooth on the phone) and then manually connect the phone with the T605, for both Headset and Wireless Music (two actions required!). Now, for me, this is unacceptable.
Moreover, when I arrive to a destination and want to step out of the car, I have to manually reconnect my Jabra to the Kaiser, again, through the phone’s Bluetooth settings as described above. A short tap on Jabra’s button no longer works for this purpose, in opposite to SE K800i.
Making the long story short, this is completely unacceptable behavior for me, and I haven’t found so far a way to make it the way I need it.
Any advices?
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Hi all,
I've just bought my first HTC unit ever (Kaiser), which is also my first Windows Mobile Phone (I used PocketPCs since 2001 but with no integrated phone so far), and it seems to have a lot of issues in the areas of "regular phone" functionality.
However, the one that is really freaking me out so far is the whole "Bluetooth audio" area. I'm just wondering whether I would ever be able to get what I want or am I asking too much.
I have 3 Bluetooth audio devices, all of them are dual Headset/Headphone ones: in-car fixed Motorola T605, Jabra BT8010 and Plantronics 590. Now, naturally, I want to use the T605 in the car, Jabra for phone calls only throughout the day and for music occasionally, and Plantronics when I'm in the gym, for both music and occasional incoming phone calls.
I had all this working flawlessly with my SonyEricsson K800i phone: each device connected to the phone automatically when powered up and automatically took over both Headset and Headphone functions. The only minor problem was reconnecting Jabra when stepping out of the car, which required only a short tap on the button.
Now, with Kaiser, things are much more complicated. When a device (any of them) is connected to the phone, both as Headset and Headphones, it works mostly OK, although sometimes there is a problem of sound not coming through the device when an incoming call was answered while playing music. The music is suspended OK, but the sound comes from the phone speaker instead of the respective Bluetooth device. This happens from time to time, not always.
But the biggest problem is the initial connection of a device after another one has already been connected. When I enter my car and fire up the engine, I want the T605 to automatically connect to the phone even if Jabra has already been connected. This I was unable to achieve. Instead, I have to manually disconnect Jabra (by powering it off or temporarily powering off Bluetooth on the phone) and then manually connect the phone with the T605, for both Headset and Wireless Music (two actions required!). Now, for me, this is unacceptable.
Moreover, when I arrive to a destination and want to step out of the car, I have to manually reconnect my Jabra to the Kaiser, again, through the phone’s Bluetooth settings as described above. A short tap on Jabra’s button no longer works for this purpose, in opposite to SE K800i.
Making the long story short, this is completely unacceptable behavior for me, and I haven’t found so far a way to make it the way I need it.
Any advices?
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Have you tried the Bluetooth fix on HTC's website?
Asking is easy, searching is hard work for some people it seems. No offence..
I'm using Schap's ROM which is supposed to have this fix built-in.
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I'm using Schap's ROM which is supposed to have this fix built-in.
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Ahh. didn't see that in your first post..
I think you are suffering the same prob as many. Every time a BT device comes out, it never seems to work with what we had before. BT protocols are NOT fixed (The IEEE STILL have not fully implemented a specific proto!), they change faster than we change our devices.
As I said before (without meaning any offence) search the whole forum, many threads have been out on this subject and some advice/fixes or equipment references are out there.
Well, I did search these forums and haven't seen someone referring to the same kind of problems I'm having.
Now, regarding your comment about variety of BT devices... I don't buy that. My SE K800i is 1 year old and works perfectly with this combination of devices.
I have pretty extensive experience with Broadcom/Widcomm BT stack on PC and older models of PocketPC (the one I have is IPAQ 5555) and I suspect these foes are direct derivatives from the fact Kaiser uses MS BT stack, which is much inferior. However, it seems nobody was able to make Broadcom/Widcomm stack work on Kaiser so far...
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Well, I did search these forums and haven't seen someone referring to the same kind of problems I'm having.
Now, regarding your comment about variety of BT devices... I don't buy that. My SE K800i is 1 year old and works perfectly with this combination of devices.
I have pretty extensive experience with Broadcom/Widcomm BT stack on PC and older models of PocketPC (the one I have is IPAQ 5555) and I suspect these foes are direct derivatives from the fact Kaiser uses MS BT stack, which is much inferior. However, it seems nobody was able to make Broadcom/Widcomm stack work on Kaiser so far...
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OK, I'm sorry if you don't. I only tried to help. Seem's you've asked a question and have already formed an opinion to it!!!
I have personal experience of Sony's proprietory connection limitations.
My BT works fine on all my devices....will leave you to others.
Looks like I found a partial solution which makes my life almost perfect...
It seems the real problem is taking over Kaiser from a previously connected device. So, if I switch my Jabra off several seconds before I fire up my car's engine, my T605 is able to connect to it. Same goes the other way around, I can turn off the car engine and then fire up the Jabra several seconds later. In this case all is good.
Looks like the MS BT stack is still ill-implemented though, as, for example, when in active Wireless Music BT connection, the device is unable to discover any other Bluetooth devices or to connect to other device's BT serial interface, which makes using external GPS devices difficult.
This could be a problem for me since my car (Citroen C5) has special anti-radiation coating on its windshield which quite effectively screens the satellite signals. Therefore I came up with a solution of having a BT GPS device permanently located in the car (actually, in the driver's seat back pocket) hardwired to the mains as well as to an external GPS antenna. This setup is effectively beating both reception and start-up time problems.
With Kaiser’s limitation on simultaneous BT connections I’m unable to use this setup anymore. Yes, I could bypass using an additional GPS device by connecting the external antenna to Kaiser’s internal GPS, but this looks like a cumbersome solution as I couldn’t find a Kaiser-compatible mounting with a socket for hardwiring an external GPS antenna.
Luckily for me, I still have my old IPAQ loaded with GPS software which I prefer to use for navigation anyway thanks to its significantly bigger screen
mpogr said:
Looks like I found a partial solution which makes my life almost perfect...
It seems the real problem is taking over Kaiser from a previously connected device. So, if I switch my Jabra off several seconds before I fire up my car's engine, my T605 is able to connect to it. Same goes the other way around, I can turn off the car engine and then fire up the Jabra several seconds later. In this case all is good.
Looks like the MS BT stack is still ill-implemented though, as, for example, when in active Wireless Music BT connection, the device is unable to discover any other Bluetooth devices or to connect to other device's BT serial interface, which makes using external GPS devices difficult.
This could be a problem for me since my car (Citroen C5) has special anti-radiation coating on its windshield which quite effectively screens the satellite signals. Therefore I came up with a solution of having a BT GPS device permanently located in the car (actually, in the driver's seat back pocket) hardwired to the mains as well as to an external GPS antenna. This setup is effectively beating both reception and start-up time problems.
With Kaiser’s limitation on simultaneous BT connections I’m unable to use this setup anymore. Yes, I could bypass using an additional GPS device by connecting the external antenna to Kaiser’s internal GPS, but this looks like a cumbersome solution as I couldn’t find a Kaiser-compatible mounting with a socket for hardwiring an external GPS antenna.
Luckily for me, I still have my old IPAQ loaded with GPS software which I prefer to use for navigation anyway thanks to its significantly bigger screen
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Glad to here you have a resolution (albeit a partial one).
Just one thing, why would you want to connect to an external BT GPS at the same time as your car kit? Can't you get a good enough signal on the internal GPS or is there another reason?
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...Can't you get a good enough signal on the internal GPS...?
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Yes, that's what I wrote in my post above. This antiradiation coating is a real satellite signal killer...
But, IMO, Kaiser's screen is too small for in-car navigation anyway, so having a dedicated unit is always a plus
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Yes, that's what I wrote in my post above. This antiradiation coating is a real satellite signal killer...
But, IMO, Kaiser's screen is too small for in-car navigation anyway, so having a dedicated unit is always a plus
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Sorry, blind AND stupid!
Yes I agree the screen is too small for general use. I have a dedicated GPS in the car and only use the TyTnII as a temporary routefinder whenever needed.
i HAVE A KAISER TILT ALSO KNOW AS ATT TILT AND AM HAVING TROUBLE DOWNLOADING MY CONTACTS TO MY NOKIA BLUETOOTH CAR KIT HAS ANY ONE HAVE ANY TROUBLE DOWNLOADING THERE CONTACT LIST IS THERE ANY SOFTWARE I NEED TO ADD TO THE PHONE. I TRIED USING AN APPLICATION CALLED JETWARE WHICH WILL ALLOW ME TO DOWNLOAD BUT WHEN I MAKE A CALL IT WONT ALLOW ME TO HANG-UP THE CALL. ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
First, STOP YELLING !!
Second, try using the enter key sometimes.
Third, i didn't read your post, can't help ya, sorry.
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First, STOP YELLING !!
Second, try using the enter key sometimes.
Third, i didn't read your post, can't help ya, sorry.
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dude? why?
hey man sorry that guy was such a jerk dont want that to be your first expericne here as long as you search before asking most people will be more then willing to help you. sorry i cant help ya though. my only guess is maybe did you install a wm 6.1 rom? they have some probems with bluetooth but i dont think thats it
Did you try it without Jetware? Made sure your bluetooth was set as discoverable? Paired the device? The more info YOU provide as to what you've done, tried, & what setup you've done it with...the beter the help & answers you'll get.
I'd suggest filtering through the following threads. There have been similar problems fixed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364559&highlight=Kaiser+Nokia+car+kit
In the above thread the original poster solved his nokia carkit issue following this:
1. Pair the TyTN II to the car (Nokia HT-2) phone.
2. Switch car ignition OFF and switch off TyTN II.
3. Remove SIM from TyTN II.
4. Place SIM into a compatible phone (in my case Nokia N95).
5. Switch on N95, switch on Bluetooth, switch on Remote SIM access.
6. Change the Bluetooth ID name on the N95 to the same as the TyTN II.
7. Make phone discoverable via Bluetooth.
8. Switch on car ignition - car phone will not be able to connect.
9. Using car controls search for new device.
10. When N95 is found, select connect, it will use the same user profile as the TyTN II (if you selected the same name for the Bluetooth ID).
11. On the car browse to Settings - Phonebook - Update, this will then import all your contacts from your N95 (or compatible phone).
12. Switch off ignition and switch off N95.
13. Replace SIM back to TyTN II.
14. Ensure TyTN II Bluetooth is ON, Remote SIM is ON and the phone is Discoverable.
15. Switch on car ignition - car phone will not be able to connect.
16. Using car controls search for new device.
17. When TyTN II is found, select connect, it will use the same user profile as before.
18. Now browse the car Phonebook as normal - All your contacts are now available for you to use.
19. Don't forget to turn off discoverability on the TyTN II and to rename your compatible phone (N95) to prevent any future conflicts.
This worked for me! I hope it will work for you! Good Luck!
I did try it with removing the jetware the bluetooth works fine but cant download contacts is there anyother patch or software more compatable with nokia bluetooth devices. Jet ware is good but wont let me disconect call when done any one else have an issue like this
BOBBYDS1 is your connection between the Kaiser and the Car Kit using Bluetooth as a headset (in other words the phone still functions and you can look up and dial with the phone) or is it using rSAP (Remote Sim) which switches your Kaiser into flight mode.
I ask this as it will determine which way you look for a solution. If its using rSAP then most Nokia systems that are fitted into cars as factory fit have not yet developed the correct software to communicate with Windows Mobile devices, in which case you will need to remove Jetware from you Kaiser and use my solution on a previous post as quoted above.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...+Nokia+car+kit
Mark
The phone still functions as i can disconnect by the phone it self here is the thing sometimes I can disconnect call by the nokia bluetooth device but a lot of times I cannot disconnect, i have to pull phone out of my pocket and end call
@BOBBYDS1 and fb.knight
No offence guys, but you need to go back to Junior High and learn how to use commas, question marks and letter cases.
Posts like that will rarely get you any kind of a reasonable response.
what nokia bluetooth car kit are you trying to use?
Still not clear if your carkit is using headset or rSAP profiles. Can you either tell us the model of the carkit, or tell us if you can browse the internet from the phone whilst its connected to the carkit?
Punctuation good enough there Dark?! (JOKE!!)
IT is a Nokia CK15-w Bluetooth Car kit Here is a link to it. http://www.nokiausa.com/A4431279
Also I can surf the internet while it is connected to the bluetooth.
Looks like that model supports:
Hands-free Profile 1.5, Phonebook Access Profile 1.0
(Source: Nokia Europe
The Kaiser supports:
File Transfer Profile, SIM Access Profile (rSAP), Dial-Up Networking Profile, Personal Area Networking Profile, Hands-Free Profile 1.5, Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (I'm guessing A2DP)
(Source: www.theunwired.net
So I'm guessing that whilst it will work as a glorified headset, you have no chance of getting your contacts downloaded! Should be able to get them from your SIM, just not the main memory. Wonder why Nokia removed the rSAP profile? It was on their 610 (rSAP only) 616 (rSAP and Handsfree) then from the 810 and CK-15 it seems to be handsfree only. This could be why so many are having problems with Nokia carkits, Nokia went and changed the supported bluetooth profiles. Funny, I would have thought the newer the model, the more it would have done, but I guess not! Glad I looked into this as I was thinking about 'upgrading' to the 810 for the full handset, guess I won't be now!
I am getting confused, I downloaded the jetstream program to the phone and was able to download the contact list no problem. The problem i am having is when i make a call from the nokia bluetooth when I am done and hit the endcall button on the nokia it does not end the call, I have to pull out the phone and hit the end button on the phone itself. any suggestions on how to correct this.
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I am getting confused,
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Not as much as everyone else reading your post and trying to help!
BOBBYDS1 said:
AM HAVING TROUBLE DOWNLOADING MY CONTACTS
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ANY ONE HAVE ANY TROUBLE DOWNLOADING THERE CONTACT LIST
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I TRIED USING AN APPLICATION CALLED JETWARE WHICH WILL ALLOW ME TO DOWNLOAD BUT WHEN I MAKE A CALL IT WONT ALLOW ME TO HANG-UP THE CALL.
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removing the jetware the bluetooth works fine but cant download contacts
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So downloading contacts isn't your problem, hanging up whilst having jetware installed is? Better post would have been something along the lines of:
"I'm having trouble ending calls on my Kaiser using the end button on my Nokia CK-15 carkit. I installed the Jetware program to enable downloading contacts, but this stops the end key working on the Kaiser, before this it was working fine just the carkit couldn't download contacts. Does anyone know of any settings in Jetware I can try, that would restore the end key function, or other software that would still enable me to download contacts and have and end key?" - That might have got you an answer sooner...
Right, the phone as it comes doesn't support phonebook access, thus you won't be able to download your contacts. Actually, none of the Nokia bluetooth carkits support downloading contacts from the internal memory of a Windows Mobile device, probably because no Nokia uses Windows Mobile (yet).
You add something like Jetware which gives you the ability to access the phonebook, but then you are unable to end a call via the carkit. My best guess is Jetware does something which interupts the commands from the carkit. I'm also guessing your stuck with either having contacts download or and end call option. Add Jetware back and play with it's settings. You may get lucky. However bluetooth is very buggy and the only way to get 2 devices to work perfectly with eachother without running the risk of having to fiddle or loose something is to buy them from the same manufacturer and check they are fully compatible with eachother. Two devices from 2 manufacturers don't always work.
Here are some examples:
Old Ericsson headset, will work perfectly with my old HTC phone and can't even be seen by my Kaiser. Slightly newer one (that has an LCD for caller ID) will work once connected until I switch it off, then requires the old HTC phone to be soft reset before it will connect again. Works perfectly with the Kaiser. Brand new, cheapy Motorola headset does what it feels like with no consistency on my older HTC, again works perfectly on the Kaiser. My Nokia 610 carkit will connect to both phones, but whilst the older phone needs to be soft reset before turning off the ignition (otherwise the phone part of things crashes), the Kaiser will connect and disconnect just as Nokia intend. The carkit will only download SIM contacts. The fix posted above isn't really a fix, it's fooling the carkit into thinking that another phone (the Nokia N95) is the kaiser, downloading the contacts from it and then reconnecting the real Kaiser. Not a fix, but a brilliant workaround.
Also noticed that the CK-15 uses bluetooth version 1.2, the Kaiser bluetooth version 2. This might be something to do with it.
In short, I think you will have to live with either a phonebook, or an end function. Welcome to the wonderful world of bluetooth. It also doesn't help that Nokia hasa a history of making devices which don't work with anything other than another Nokia device...
Is there any way to change the kaiser to use bluetooth 1.2. Also is there a way to contact jetware besides email as they dont reply.
In your reply you state thAT Nokia devices csnt download from internal memory of kaiser phone, how can i set it up to download from the sim is there a way.
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Is there any way to change the kaiser to use bluetooth 1.2
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I seriously doubt anyone will be writing a bluetooth stack v1.2 for the Kaiser anytime soon. I also have a feeling that the versions are hardware, not software related, so its impossible. I think you may have to accept that the Kaiser and Nokia will never play nicely. Why don't you install Jetware, sync your contacts, then either disable it (I'm sure I remember an option in the settings when I tried it previously) or just delete the program? You could keep the installer cab on your device somewhere as its only 500kb for when you need to reinstall it?
If there isn't a phone number on the jetware homepage, I'm betting you can't call them. But I did notice there is an advanced set-up options menu. Did you try unchecking all the boxes apart from phonebooks? If the "hang-up/swap to incomming call" option is unchecked, Jetware should pass that command to the phones standard bluetooth software and give you back your end key. From the Jetware site:
"When this option is unchecked the Extension will allow hang up commands to be processed by the built-in code, which will disconnect all active voice calls."
If it's currently checked, try unchecking it.
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In your reply you state thAT Nokia devices csnt download from internal memory of kaiser phone, how can i set it up to download from the sim is there a way.
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Have you read the manual? In my 610 manual, it tells me I can choose to dowload phone, SIM, or phone and SIM memory. Does yours?
Now it seems that call waiting is not working in the bluetooth unit, itried the settings both ways in jetware but still no go. any ideas
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Still not clear if your carkit is using headset or rSAP profiles. Can you either tell us the model of the carkit, or tell us if you can browse the internet from the phone whilst its connected to the carkit?
Punctuation good enough there Dark?! (JOKE!!)
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Well, since you asked, it should be 'it's', not 'its'.
i've paired a few things (bt headset, parrot car hands free, computer) but it won't automatically connect to anything. i have to manually tell it to connect. is there a setting that i'm overlooking, or a tweak to allow this?
thanks.
Yeah I noticed the same thing in the car today. Maybe because of whether it is discoverable or not? When you turn that on it only does 120secs. I haven't played with it, but i sure hope it can auto connect, or at least with froyo.
It auto-connects to my car, but not to my home phone. I think that's because the car itself initializes the connection... Would be nice to figure out how to fix this, so I wouldn't have to connect manually every time I come home.
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Yeah I noticed the same thing in the car today. Maybe because of whether it is discoverable or not? When you turn that on it only does 120secs. I haven't played with it, but i sure hope it can auto connect, or at least with froyo.
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In my 10' BMW, I had to check mark to always allow the car to access my contacts. Once I did that, it would automatically connect to my car upon startup of the car.
Hope that helps.
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In my 10' BMW, I had to check mark to always allow the car to access my contacts. Once I did that, it would automatically connect to my car upon startup of the car.
Hope that helps.
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in my '10 Genesis Coupe, I cannot get it to auto connect, even though i reset it two times and checked "always allow." This is the first phone this has ever happened with, every other one auto connected (HTC Touch Pro2 with winmo 6.5 AND a hacked android 2.0, htc hero w/ 2.0 and 2.1, n1 w/ 2.1 and 2.2, and a feature samsung phone) so I know its not the car.
Any more ideas?
What I figured out is that auto-connect on this phone just doesn't seem to work at all. The only time it auto-connects is to my 06 Acura when I start it and only if it's not already connected to anything else. But that's because when I start my car, it's the car that initiates a connection, not the phone. If I'm connected to something else (like my home phone, for example), when I start my car, and drive off, Bluetooth connection to my home phone will get dropped after I get away for more than 100 feet, but it will never connect to my car after that. And it never connects to my home phone on it's own. Very painful!:-(
My Captivate will automatically connect to my Parrot hands free device when I get into the car. I don't know which device is pushing the connection. However, I also have a Miccus BluBridge Receiver in my car plugged into the Aux jack. This device doesn't auto connect.
To get things working I have to go to the home screen, settings, wireless, blue tooth, then click on the device. A friend of mine was talking about Tasker as a possible app to use, but I don't really want to spend the money on it until I know it will do what I want. The other annoyance I have is that speaker, headset, and bluetooth volume are all the same. It looked like Tasker would solve my second problem, but perhaps not my first. Has anyone else investigated this?
Bluetooth auto connect
I too thought I had an issue with this. Mine is now working OK most of the time. One thing I discovered is that if there is more than one BT device available the phone sometimes will not connect automatically.
I wonder if this has to do with the fact that it will not connect to more than one device at a time. This is big downside for me that I hope get corrected (but please GPS first)
It won't conect correctly because there is no setting for always visible. The handsfree device searches for your phone to initiate the conection and if it can't see it it won't try to conect.
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in my '10 Genesis Coupe, I cannot get it to auto connect, even though i reset it two times and checked "always allow." This is the first phone this has ever happened with, every other one auto connected (HTC Touch Pro2 with winmo 6.5 AND a hacked android 2.0, htc hero w/ 2.0 and 2.1, n1 w/ 2.1 and 2.2, and a feature samsung phone) so I know its not the car.
Any more ideas?
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I also have a Genesis Coupe 2010 (3.8 in case you care) and my vibrant connects just as well as my TouchPro2 and my Nexus One running Foyo.
The Nexus One stock 2.1 never worked, reconnecting every couple of minutes.
My first Vibrant (same as captivate) did not work well either. I expected it was because the BT stack in Eclair did not support car profile, but after I exchanged my Vibrant due to a rattling volume key, it has worked very reliably with the GC'10. It autoconnects ad soon as I turn on the engine, without having to do anythong, followed by "transfer complete".
I leave BT on all the time. My phone is not rooted or modifief in any way, running stock software for everything.
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It won't conect correctly because there is no setting for always visible. The handsfree device searches for your phone to initiate the conection and if it can't see it it won't try to conect.
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That is not true and it is not necessary, not even during pairing, ad the connection is initiated by the phone. Once passkeys are echanged, visibility is not required.
Please verify your answers prior to posting to prevent other people from getting confused.
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in my '10 Genesis Coupe, I cannot get it to auto connect, even though i reset it two times and checked "always allow." This is the first phone this has ever happened with, every other one auto connected (HTC Touch Pro2 with winmo 6.5 AND a hacked android 2.0, htc hero w/ 2.0 and 2.1, n1 w/ 2.1 and 2.2, and a feature samsung phone) so I know its not the car.
Any more ideas?
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What firmware do you have on your GC? Have you deleted all phones?
Things to try:
Delete all phones from the car (setup/delete all phones)
Restore the phone to factory settings.
Upgrade the car's radio/BT firmware (see dealership for details or try gencoupe.com)
Call ATT support (?)
Wait for froyo
Get used to
Return/sell the phone
Hope this helps
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I have the same issue with my Plantronics Voyager Pro . Can't get it to auto-connect! Anyone have an idea what the problem is?
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I am a tech for mercedes and we have to set the phone to always visible or it wont auto connect. It is the same way with pioneer bt radios. I am just speaking from what mercedes told us and personal experience with pairing phones. I have had the problem probobly 100 plus times at work where phones wont auto connect evan though they are paired corectly and when you change the phone to always visible it fixes it every time. I know the phone can initiate the conection, i just know they don't all do it automatically.
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I am a tech for mercedes and we have to set the phone to always visible or it wont auto connect. It is the same way with pioneer bt radios. I am just speaking from what mercedes told us and personal experience with pairing phones. I have had the problem probobly 100 plus times at work where phones wont auto connect evan though they are paired corectly and when you change the phone to always visible it fixes it every time. I know the phone can initiate the conection, i just know they don't all do it automatically.
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Never had the problem with any of the Pioneer radios we've had, and my Eclipse doesn't have that problem either. To be fair, I've no experience with MB cars, but that shouldn't be the case.
I know with my Eclipse HU, I had to initiate the connection while in the phone menu otherwise it would connect for BT audio but not for the phone. After setting up the phone it will connect as its supposed to regardless of what input I'm using.
just as an update to my initial problem... my parrot system in my car auto pairs all the time now (it just takes ~30-45 sec to do so), but the phone still will not auto pair to bt headset or computer...
I don't think its supposed to auto connect to the computer. I think its a need based connection.
And on that note, when i send a file my phone does connect. I don't use a dedicated bt headset so i can't talk about that unfortunately.
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just as an update to my initial problem... my parrot system in my car auto pairs all the time now (it just takes ~30-45 sec to do so), but the phone still will not auto pair to bt headset or computer...
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When you say 30~45 sec, does it mean from powering the car up until BT is usable through the car system? That's is normal and the duration depends on how many contacts you have in your phone book and how many phones per contact. Mine take about the same.
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I don't think its supposed to auto connect to the computer. I think its a need based connection.
And on that note, when i send a file my phone does connect. I don't use a dedicated bt headset so i can't talk about that unfortunately.
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I agree. It is only supposed to autoconnect to devices that support the handfree profiles, if the handfree profile is set as default.
I tired turning visible on right before i started the car and it connected no problem. Really annoying. I have a pioneer as well. Too bad you can't set it to visible always. Other than that it works much better than it did with the Fuze/Any WinMo phone. Never had a phone that worked right in the car, except for my GF IPhone, works great.
I hope it works better in Froyo.
Hey All,
I've done a quick and dirty search for this problem, but I haven't found anything that's exactly the same.
I have an XT1060, Dev Ed, on KK 4.4.4, and I'm just wondering, am I the only one who cannot get my bluetooth radio to hook up to paired devices easily?
The problem is, I always have to ask to connect manually; this is a bit of a pain, especially after turning off my car, say, for a few seconds. Oh, it'll connect, but sometimes it takes 10-15 tries before that connection is made, and even then, it's often after I have to disconnect then attempt to reconnect a few times because it doesn't connect both the phone and media modes.
I have done the unpair/re-pair thing a couple of times, but nothing changes.
I had an HTC phone before this, and it'd reconnect automagically to my cars BT server, so I suspect it's nothing to do with the car's BT radio. I really miss that...
Thanks for any suggestions anyone might have in how to remedy this. Fwiw, I'm willing to go through a diagnostic procedure if someone would clue me in to just how to do that.
cheers,
john
I've had issues with the bluetooth and pairing. When I was on 4.2.2 (I think..) it wouldn't connect automatically at all, and I used an app to connect for me. I have a Chevrolet Cobalt and it wouldn't connect to my built in bluetooth for calls or a small bluetooth dongle that I use for playing music through the AUX input on the stock radio.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.myklos.btautoconnect&hl=en
Once I was on 4.4.2 it seemed to work much better. I have no real issues now on 4.4.4. The only time I notice it not really working right is when I try to connect to the bluetooth speaker in our bathroom at home. If I turn the speaker on, it almost always connects to my girlfriends phone nearly instantly, even though I open the bluetooth menu and tap the paired device to manually initiate right when I turn on the speaker. It usually takes me a few tries to get mine to connect before hers, or I ask her to shut her bluetooth off for a moment while I connect. She uses the speaker every day because she leaves for work after me, so it only happens to me 1-2 times per month on the off chance that I want to listen to music or a baseball game in the shower, so it never really bothered me much.
I think the bluetooth radio in this phone could be better.. I never had any similar issues with my Droid X or Moto Razr Maxx so I'm not sure what the deal is...
Edit: forgot to mention I also have an XT1060, but not dev edition. My bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted, but using the official 4.4.4 VZW rom with Xposed.
I have never had any issues pairing Bluetooth - on either my car or moto 360 watch (even simultaneously).
However, I have noticed that the Bluetooth connects much quicker on custom ROMs when compared to stock.
I think tour connection issue may be a setting or rogue app related.
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Thanks to both of you for your replies!
Fwiw, things have not gotten any better since I posted my question. I'm getting more accustomed to it, though.
As for the possibility of a rogue app, yes I suppose so, but short of uninstalling everything, and adding them one by one and trying to connect to something via BT, how can someone go about debugging such a thing?
cheers,
john
jrredho said:
Thanks to both of you for your replies!
Fwiw, things have not gotten any better since I posted my question. I'm getting more accustomed to it, though.
As for the possibility of a rogue app, yes I suppose so, but short of uninstalling everything, and adding them one by one and trying to connect to something via BT, how can someone go about debugging such a thing?
cheers,
john
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You may need to delete the profile for the Bluetooth pairing in your car. Could be a conflict there.
Otherwise, try looking at your Bluetooth settings on the phone.
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I have an XT1060, Dev Ed, on KK 4.4.4, and I'm just wondering, am I the only one who cannot get my bluetooth radio to hook up to paired devices easily?
The problem is, I always have to ask to connect manually; this is a bit of a pain, especially after turning off my car, say, for a few seconds. Oh, it'll connect, but sometimes it takes 10-15 tries before that connection is made, and even then, it's often after I have to disconnect then attempt to reconnect a few times because it doesn't connect both the phone and media modes.
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Is it *ALL* bluetooth devices, or just the car? What model and year car? Are you connecting to the Hands Free profile, Headset Profile, or doing something like A2DP for music streaming?
How long have you had the phone, how long has this been a problem? Has the symptom ever changed?
Keep in mind, just because your HTC phone connected to the car just fine, doesn't mean the car could not be the issue. While the Bluetooth profiles and protocols should be "standard" I've seen many issues of interoperability issues between bluetooth devices over the years. Especially with car kits.
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Is it *ALL* bluetooth devices, or just the car? What model and year car? Are you connecting to the Hands Free profile, Headset Profile, or doing something like A2DP for music streaming?
How long have you had the phone, how long has this been a problem? Has the symptom ever changed?
Keep in mind, just because your HTC phone connected to the car just fine, doesn't mean the car could not be the issue. While the Bluetooth profiles and protocols should be "standard" I've seen many issues of interoperability issues between bluetooth devices over the years. Especially with car kits.
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Guys, thanks for staying with me on this. One thing I've definitely learned is that the bluetooth thing is something I'm pretty ignorant on. I can see that I'm going to have to study it a bit before too long. Gad, that HTC spoiled me rotten---at least in that way.
I haven't tried the phone with any other BT devices. This is mostly because I don't own but two, the car and a travel speaker, and I haven't had the speaker out of its case since I scored the phone six or eight weeks ago. Also, I did some housecleaning, so I have only a small fraction, maybe 20%, of the same apps on the MotoX that I had on the HTC. I have no apps on the MotoX that I didn't have on the latter.
As for some of the car-related suggestions, it's a 2015 Subaru Forester Premium 2.5i, which is really only level up from the base model of that line. I can't find that there is a bluetooth profile setting in the car that I can change; I think that it's too basic. The relevant user manual simply states the following:
Media format
Bluetooth audio devices cannot be
connected if they are not compatible with
the following Bluetooth® profiles.
. A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution
Profile)
. AVRCP (Audio/Video Remote Control
Profile)
I don't even know what either of those mean!
Anyway, what I did do is go to the phone settings, and uncheck the Media box that shows up once the car's BT server is detected. Then I try to connect with the Phone box checked. It'll still fail to connect several times, but (a) it doesn't take as long to fail to connect, (b) it doesn't take as many tries (it seems) to make the connection, and (c) when it fails, it fails totally, so I don't have to disconnect from 'Media-only Connected (No Phone)' connection. That makes it easier I suppose. Then once the connection is established, it's a simple matter to go back to settings, and check the Media box. That add-on connection happens pretty quickly, but the process is still a little overwrought, imo.
Of course, KidJoe, up until you mentioned a Headset Profile, I didn't know one existed. But when I try to play music on my phone using PowerAmp, well, the app doesn't hook up to the BT anyway. That's a key difference between the HTC and the MotoX. In PowerAmp, I have "Play over Bluetooth on Detection" selected. The headset isn't being detected at all. So maybe that goes some distance to explaining what I'm encountering.
Again thanks to both of guys for hanging in there with me! I'll keep trudging "onward through the fog," as it were...
cheers,
john
A2DP and AVRC are used for Bluetooth Stereo audio streaming (like playing Pandora on your phone via your car stereo). Not phone calls.
For phone calls, usually a Headset or Handsfree profiles are used, and sometimes BT Phone Book Access (so you can see your phone's contact names/numbers on the car's screen).
I've run into compatibility issues between some phones and some Headset/Handfree devices (mostly cars, but a few bluetooth headsets too). Often times when this happens, you're stuck. Each side will blame the other (i.e. Moto will blame the Subaru car stereo, and Subaru will blame the phone).
I have had issues re-connecting to my car (a 2011 Saab 9-4x with Bose/Nav), IF I had my Moto S11 Flex HD headset connected to my Moto X before I got in the car (even if the S11 was powered off/disconnected from the X before I started the car). Usually toggling the X's bluetooth off/on, and sometimes worst case rebooting the phone, has always fixed it.. Another time I had troubles connecting to my Saab's car kit was when my wife was using her phone to stream audio. The next time I got in the car, I had to manually connect my phone. The car always tries to connect to the the last phone used, so it was looking for my wifes and it took a while before it timed out. When it did time out, it didn't look for mine.
Since you have a 2015 Subaru, I would consider visiting your car dealer, ask them to help with pairing the phone properly, and making sure its working right. See what they have to say.
My bluetooth in my car stopped pairing the other day, and it turns out it was an app that updated and requested permissions related to bluetooth. I didn't notice them because it's an app I trust so I accepted the new permissions without really looking at it.
I used App Settings (Xposed module) to disable the permissions and my bluetooth works fine again.
I could still pair with things if I went to the bluetooth paired device list and manually tapped on the device I wanted to connect with, but it would not pair automatically (like when I got in my car). Once I disabled that permission, it started working again without issue.
May be worth a look through your installed apps to see if anything has access to bluetooth and may be interfering.
Hey All,
Thanks again for the continued help!
It's true, I didn't do any research on app interference before I posted this thread topic, but since a couple of you have brought it up, I decided to do a little research. I installed a permissions app, and took a look at the permissions that allows an app to automatically seek out, and pair with, Bluetooth servers. I have to admit, I got some surprises there. (Who would've thought that Beautiful Widgets needed that permission; it is now gone.)
Anyway, most of the remaining apps are either system/Moto-related, or ones I would really like to keep. I'll report back on what I learn. If there are other permissions that I need to reference besides the two pairing-connecting to Bluetooth ones please let me know...
cheers,
john