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Hello,
I am having another annoyance with my Tilt. The camera is damn slow. First the on-screen rate is stop-motion like, then the auto focus button takes 2-3 seconds to focus, and finally the photo takes a few seconds more to capture. B that time, the photo opportunity is gone, or I just have a blurry picture.
The 8525 was much faster...
Any ideas? Thanks!
I'm sure it's the new autofocus function that is responsible for the speed. It's not something you find in many cell phone cameras, and gives much better photos for many situations. But yes, the slow speed is a shame.
Well if the picture is blurry, but has great focus....what's the point? lol
Honestly, after spending a few hours tinkering with this phone, the 8125 --> 8525 was a much larger, more needed upgrade. The 8525 did have some caveats, which I was hoping they would fix, but they seemed to just get worse. For example, screen rotation is simply slower on WM6 than it was on WM5. I want a PDA that has Windows capabilities, but without the hiccups that Mobile exhibits. I was hoping the 8925 would be the solution, but I guess I will have to wait another year for a true converged device. Such a shame that a very well made device has to be crippled by a poor operating system. Not saying it's horrific, but definitely could be a lot better.
i've notice the blurry thing...but once you get use to holding it steady the pics come out amazing.
One thing I have found that helps is to use the Camera button to take pictures - You can press the Camera button half way down and let it focus, then press it the rest of the way down to actually take the picture when you want to snap. Doesn't help the whole 'catch it right then' situation, but it does help some...
Thats one of the bugbears with this new phone is the time it takes to snap a pic I know its more a phone than a digital camera but why put a 3mpix camera in there if its not meant to at least equal old digital cameras (casio, olympus, fuji etc etc). I like the extra features of it but not at the expense of it taking 5-6 seconds for people or things to stand perfectly still in order to get that pic
Russ
I have found that the greater the amount of light the quicker it takes pictures.
maryjos said:
I'm sure it's the new autofocus function that is responsible for the speed. It's not something you find in many cell phone cameras, and gives much better photos for many situations. But yes, the slow speed is a shame.
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My 2 megapixel SE K750i from YEARS ago (I had it two years ago as an import phone) had no issues with it's autofocus lens. It also took much better photos.
The camera app is pitifully slow. I've tried shooting a lower res or lower quality and that doesn't change the on-screen display, and yeah the autofocus is crazy slow. I guess we should look to HTC for advice, as it's their camera app.
Yah it's a bummer that it's not that fast, but the phone really is a powerhouse of applications. If this thing was running WM2003 on this processor it would be blindingly fast, but with any power loss, the data would be gone. So far speed is the price we pay to have a device that you can pull the battery out of and not lose any data... When I use my HP hx4700 VGA PPC running 2003, it still blows me away how fast they used to be before this new "persistant storage" feature. I don't know if this would help the camera specifically, but I wonder.
Well, it's damn annoying. I would rather the speed and flashlight than an autofocus lens or 3MP.
JBHorne said:
Well, it's damn annoying. I would rather the speed and flashlight than an autofocus lens or 3MP.
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Agree completely, I had high hopes, the 3MP autofocus sure looked good on paper, but now I just miss the flashlight
i heard that it's because of the software, i think paul from modacco said that cameraware is much better (and i THINK he said that it was faster to take pictures).
Can anyone test this out?
...nice tip
As mentioned in another post. If you turn off the "shutter sound" it seems to respond faster. I've tested and it seems to work form me.
I have also noticed that when I push the OFF button and then turn it back on the camera is much much better.
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I've tried all of the previously suggested options and the pics are still blurry.
I have a Nokia 6300 2MP camera phone and it's pics are sharper and better with no blurriness whatsoever.
Even the old Wizard I have is better
This isn't an issue of me having an unsteady hand either, I've been an amateur photographer for many years and have no probs using my old ancient SLRs or new DSLRs, even when snapping with a camera in each hand.
Aeroadster said:
I've tried all of the previously suggested options and the pics are still blurry.
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The lens protector on the battery cover may be scratched or worn (mine is). I get much clearer photos when I take the battery cover off. Other posts describe using certain polishes to restore a clear lens protector.
That's what I get for keeping the phone in my pocket.
I remember reading a post about the fps when taking video. I use the fix when taking regular pictures too, because it appears to speed up the viewfinder as well.
fix:
1. Cover the top half of the phone (where the lens is) with your hand, to decrease the light available.
2. Press the power button to put your device into sleep mode, or whatever it is that they call it.
3. Without moving your hand, press the power button again to wake up the device. This appears to cause the camera software to reinitialize with decreased light settings.
Yeah, it sucks, and yeah, I miss my Tytn camera and led light. Hope this helps!
I noticed that Tilt's camera is extremely laggy when using in dark/dim environment. From what I read it seems that it related to infamous crappy driver issue..
I know it's related to brightness, since when I turn the camera on a, say, lamp or a well-lit object - it speeds up by A LOT.
It seems that it's trying to process or compensate for darkness... Is there any way around it? Let it be dark, but hell - it's so slow it's unusable.
I have the same experience, but since the camera has no external flash or light source, you must ensure adequate lighting conditions to get the best functionality out of the camera. I think the auto focus and or the flicker adjustment get really jerky in low light conditions. I thought something was wrong until I figured this out. It takes pretty good pics, and great video considering its a phone once you get the lighting right.
compared to just about any other camera phone I've used, it requires a LOT of light. This thing is virtuallly unusable inside. I have never, ever, gotten the picture I want to get. If you are taking a picture of people you need to click the camera, say cheese, and still wait for the picture to take. No way to take candid shots as people have always moved by the time it snaps.
Forced to carry my real camera.
I know I know...it's a phone, not a camera. That's for sure...
DarkDvr said:
It seems that it's trying to process or compensate for darkness... Is there any way around it? Let it be dark, but hell - it's so slow it's unusable.
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I assume you didn't take the time to read the other 20 threads about the camera.
Go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php
I like using Sports mode rather than camera mode indoors. A burst of pics generally will yeild a couple that are tolerable.
I did search.
What I'm asking in this thread is whether somebody found a temporary workaround for this problem, like increasing brightness, turning off some kind of "low light compensation" in the registry or something of that nature.
The answer is YES. It is inside another thread. I dont recall the settings, but indeed there are options to adjust, new cameras to install. They are just in different threads that are already established and waiting on people with questions to explore, read and learn from.
Well, I'll run another search and dig through pages of posts.. =)
Try the Google search of this site as apposed to the "search" option on the forums. Google is easier to preview and decide how relevant the search return is. Use more than one search term. If you are looking for a solution to Wi-Fi, search for Wi-Fi, WiFi or wireless router, etc....
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=+site:http://forum.xda-developers.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all
Just be thankful there are pages of information here. Some of those "pages" are repetitive threads like "How do I".... or "Does anyone know what...." if there weren't so many repetitive threads, there wouldn't be so many pages to search through. Know what I'm saying?
Yup, I run my own forum and I know what you mean.
Anyway, no sense arguing, I'll see what I can find. You're right about one thing - there's lots of info here.
Good luck DarkDrvr. I've read a lot here and tried several things. Not much success for me on the camera. Improvment, yes, worth a darn, no.
I'm hoping that, as they said, the video drivers that someone may eventually come out with help the camera too.
Since suggesting use of the Sports mode rather than the camra mode, I've come to realize that the difference that I'm seeing may more be the result of the udated camera version I'm running (version 5.04 build 29195). See this thread for info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355587
found a fix
turn on the camera.. then hit the power button. the screen will go black. wait like 5-10secs. hit the power button again and it tricks the camera to turn off the low-light compensation. after that you should be able to shoot away. found it here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJcmJc8y_s
found a fix
the answer is in the comment section
way to go on pulling up an old thread and posting a solution that has been repeated way too many times
Ok so I don't know how HTC can allow this type of thing to happen but the Kaiser is by far the worst phone I've used in terms of bugs.
The camera... oh the camera...
My secondary VGA camera takes a 5x clearer photo than the 3MP one.
The VGA camera has no lag or reduced fps in the viewer, yet the 3MP camera has horrible horrible lag when you press button and what seems like 3-5 fps.
This is all the same with the video...
Can somebody tell me what the ****?? Are you all having this problem also or is it just me?
Could it be my radio?
I'm using ROMeOS 4.21
Thanks... and HTC... eff you!
edit: forgot to mention I've tried editing the registry and changing the button to half press instead of full... nothing works.
I'm sorry, but this sort of thing has been discussed before.
Here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=360001&highlight=Camera
Here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426101&highlight=Camera
And try searching for the Subject "Camera" in this Fourm. You'll find a few posts.
I am not going to spend another minute trolling on this issue.
Dave
Thanks Dave but I've really tried everything suggested in those thread already.
From changing the registry in HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\Captparam
to installing HTC Album and Camera (with no improvements).
Also I don't see how the first link you posted is relevant at all.
This is why I come to think it is either a screw up in my registry or my radio?
I think the camera in general is bad, I though the first link was a different thread, sorry.
If you search for Threads with the title camera in Kaiser General you will see the scale of how many people have complained about this camera. I am not happy with mine, but I also own a EOS400D, so it's not too bad
Dave
lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera.. I really just cannot believe the VGA camera can operate at a higher quality than the 3MP..
I honestly think there is a fault in my registry..
I'll say it again.. sometimes the camera works perfect and takes a picture instantly with no FPS lag in the viewer, but most of the time it will be extremely low FPS and after I press the shutter button it will lag for 3 seconds then capture a fuzzy ****ty image.
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lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera.. I really just cannot believe the VGA camera can operate at a higher quality than the 3MP..
I honestly think there is a fault in my registry..
I'll say it again.. sometimes the camera works perfect and takes a picture instantly with no FPS lag in the viewer, but most of the time it will be extremely low FPS and after I press the shutter button it will lag for 3 seconds then capture a fuzzy ****ty image.
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Do a Hard Reset and / or try another ROM, if you really think there is something in the registry corrupt / wrong.
Ta
Dave
DaveShaw said:
Do a Hard Reset and / or try another ROM, if you really think there is something in the registry corrupt / wrong.
Ta
Dave
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Might just do that, cheers.
deXtrous said:
lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera..
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You have got to be kidding.... It's convenient to have a decent camera built into the phone. But your primary camera? Ugh.
deXtrous said:
lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera.. I really just cannot believe the VGA camera can operate at a higher quality than the 3MP..
I honestly think there is a fault in my registry..
I'll say it again.. sometimes the camera works perfect and takes a picture instantly with no FPS lag in the viewer, but most of the time it will be extremely low FPS and after I press the shutter button it will lag for 3 seconds then capture a fuzzy ****ty image.
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Have you noticed that the camera takes faster pics in lit areas and slower the darker it gets? This topic is fairly redundant. Click my Vegas link and you can see what the camera does.
Ok, so you're getting a fuzzy image, that will be due to movement when pressing the button.
To improve this slightly use the 3 second timer, that way you can line it up, press the button and hold the camera steady to get a more stable picture.
No, its not a fix for the poor hardware, but it helps a little.
Try removing the transparent cover from the rear casing - or just take pics without the rear casing. Pic quality improves no end....
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Ok so I don't know how HTC can allow this type of thing to happen but the Kaiser is by far the worst phone I've used in terms of bugs.
The camera... oh the camera...
My secondary VGA camera takes a 5x clearer photo than the 3MP one.
The VGA camera has no lag or reduced fps in the viewer, yet the 3MP camera has horrible horrible lag when you press button and what seems like 3-5 fps.
This is all the same with the video...
Can somebody tell me what the ****?? Are you all having this problem also or is it just me?
Could it be my radio?
I'm using ROMeOS 4.21
Thanks... and HTC... eff you!
edit: forgot to mention I've tried editing the registry and changing the button to half press instead of full... nothing works.
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This has been discussed many times before...The camera is only usable in daylight. Even artificial light makes it really slow (bulbs) Here's why whenever you use the camera in other conditions than the daylight it switches itself into "Night Mode" and because of the lack of optimized 2D drivers the nightmode is terribly slow. Now... there's a small workaround....turn on the camera...if it's slow...press the button on the side the one that switches the screen off..press it again after about 10 seconds and you should have satisfying amount of frames in the camera app. Basically this trick forces the camera to turn off the night mode at least for a while. The only drawback is the quality of the pictures...they are darker. So if you disable the night mode through the registry you will have the camera without any lags.
Good luck
You think the Kaiser is the worst phone ever because it takes bad pictures. Wow. I think it is the best phone ever with an ok camera. I didn't buy the phone because of the camera.
wmg76 said:
You think the Kaiser is the worst phone ever because it takes bad pictures. Wow. I think it is the best phone ever with an ok camera. I didn't buy the phone because of the camera.
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Not only the camera mate, and it's my personal opinion.
The phone itself is very buggy, crashes, not very responsive..
I thank got I found this forum or else my phone would be in the trash by now..
PS. Was your post even needed?
oh, oh, oh.
Please, deXtrous, a little humility. You joined last month and go around shouting at people already?
Perhaps your phone bugging out and crashing is a result of multiple registry edits, application installs, radio/spl/rom incompatibility etc. Not necessarily of putrid quality of the phone itself. Look around this forum: there are many MANY people who are either happy with their Kaisers, or have only minor gripes. This should mean that the phone is not inherently bad, just that - maybe- it is less than perfect... but then, what IS perfect?
Ever since I switched to ROMeOS (easily half a year) I haven't had a single hang-up or bug-out. Granted, I tend to use a tried-and-tested set of applications, but hey, there are about 40-50 of them! And my Kaiser still works nice and fast..... sans the camera which still sucks... but hey, it's just an effing camera. Useful in a phone but FAR from key.
deXtrous said:
Not only the camera mate, and it's my personal opinion.
The phone itself is very buggy, crashes, not very responsive..
I thank got I found this forum or else my phone would be in the trash by now..
PS. Was your post even needed?
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You're asking a guy who's defending a kaiser, in a kaiser forum, after you rubbish the kaiser, if he needed to post. I think you should chill for a bit..
OK, enough. No need to start laying into each other.
Can a Mod close this thread? Nothing constructive can come from this.
Ta
Dave
Ha... Sorry I find this kind of funny..
It's just a phone guys, no need to take offense to anything I say about a silly phone..
It's my personal experiences with the phone. Not everyone can be happy with the product they buy but why should the unhappy ones be shunned off by their counterparts for simply voicing their opinions?
Everyone has an opinion and view on things, no need to be offended of my opinion that the kaiser is a piece of crap with **** battery life, **** camera, flimsy buttons and crap hardware (IME).
anyway,
The camera was like this even prior to any ROM swapping or registry editing, which is why I thought a new ROM might help but apparently not.
Maybe you have a bad phone, I know I don't think mine is buggy and non reponsive. Also nothing I have on mine seems to be flimsy..
Bad phone maybe?
Hey, i just bought the Z3 Compact The phone itself is very good, EXCEPT The camera! 20 mpx of what? The camera is so blurry and noisy. And you can see the pixels easy. This is so TERRIBLE i have to ask if there is anything wrong with it? I have had Android since it came out. This results are worse than what my HTC Magic did. A phone from 2008-09. I have tried different settings, no luck. Been like this from day one. So is there something wrong, or is this suppose to be the 20mpx camera? ...
Some examples, first pic is taken in daylight. You can see at the second is in darkness (Very noisy!) Front camera is even worse!!
Please get some help! I like the phone, but if the camera is suppose to be like this i'm switching it out immediately!
I'm new to Z3c too, my camera sucks in the first shots as well, but, so did my sister's, until suddenly, it got all well. I don't know how.
Well said about camera suddenly getting good.
My recommendation is don't use superior auto. Launch your camera from a shortcut and set it to manual and from that moment on it will always launch in manual mode, but not when you launch it with shutter key.
Once in manual mode, try my settings:
Exposure: one or two bars below value of 0
WB: auto
Resolution: 15,5 mpx
Focus mode: multiple autofocus (i think that's what it's called in english)
ISO: This is the most important setting. You can set it to 100 or even 50 to avoid noise and artifacts caused by heavy postprocessing by software. But, the lower the iso, darker the image will be. So on a sunny day it can be 50 od 100, On a cloudy day, a bit higher and in night photos 800.
Metering: multiple
Focusing: When you want to take photo, put object you want to take photo of in the middle and half press shutter button. When squares turn blue on places you want focused, keep shutter half pressed and you can then move your phone to left, right, up or down and not losing focus. That way you make your composition. When you think you have your scene set up, finally press the button all the way.
Once you set it up every time you launch camera by a shortcut it will launch in manual mode with settings remembered from last time you used camera so no need to fiddle with settings every time. Camera widget is very useful.
Avoid superior auto unless you're in complete darkness because in that case heavy postprocessing and very high iso that it always uses have to be made.
Superior auto uses very high iso values when not needed. High iso causes much noise on the photos, and sony software removes that noise and does it in a not so good way. That results in artifacts and 'flat' photos.
It sounds complicated, but it really isn't. I have SLR camera experience so it's natural to me. Once you practice half pressing, composition making and then taking photo people will wonder how can you make such photos. It's knowledge that you'll be able to use always in all cameras, phones and whatever.
I hope this helps and let me know if it does. I'm thinking about writing a camera tutorial with samples because not many people use the potential of it.
See my samples, they're only resized:
http://i.imgur.com/YF2fU8l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0cP9SiO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1EFhzze.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fvWzbg1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ptrBLVu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QbKBrdq.jpg
Well said ... The tutrial is good ... N m setting up these setting. It would be better to open a thread with tutrial about the camera setting n people help each other how we could get the good pictures. Thanks very much. :thumbup:
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Did you unlock your bootloader?
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Did you unlock your bootloader?
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lstic said:
Well said about camera suddenly getting good.
My recommendation is don't use superior auto. Launch your camera from a shortcut and set it to manual and from that moment on it will always launch in manual mode, but not when you launch it with shutter key.
Once in manual mode, try my settings:
Exposure: one or two bars below value of 0
WB: auto
Resolution: 15,5 mpx
Focus mode: multiple autofocus (i think that's what it's called in english)
ISO: This is the most important setting. You can set it to 100 or even 50 to avoid noise and artifacts caused by heavy postprocessing by software. But, the lower the iso, darker the image will be. So on a sunny day it can be 50 od 100, On a cloudy day, a bit higher and in night photos 800.
Metering: multiple
Focusing: When you want to take photo, put object you want to take photo of in the middle and half press shutter button. When squares turn blue on places you want focused, keep shutter half pressed and you can then move your phone to left, right, up or down and not losing focus. That way you make your composition. When you think you have your scene set up, finally press the button all the way.
Once you set it up every time you launch camera by a shortcut it will launch in manual mode with settings remembered from last time you used camera so no need to fiddle with settings every time. Camera widget is very useful.
Avoid superior auto unless you're in complete darkness because in that case heavy postprocessing and very high iso that it always uses have to be made.
Superior auto uses very high iso values when not needed. High iso causes much noise on the photos, and sony software removes that noise and does it in a not so good way. That results in artifacts and 'flat' photos.
It sounds complicated, but it really isn't. I have SLR camera experience so it's natural to me. Once you practice half pressing, composition making and then taking photo people will wonder how can you make such photos. It's knowledge that you'll be able to use always in all cameras, phones and whatever.
I hope this helps and let me know if it does. I'm thinking about writing a camera tutorial with samples because not many people use the potential of it.
See my samples, they're only resized:
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Thank you for a good answer. Some of the shots is amazing! Still, i can see them getting a little blurry. Also i think that if you can't choose auto and take decent photo when you are in a hurry it's actually a struggle. If you always have to set your ISO etc. Then i would rather bring my DSLR with me instead! Here are some examples from my previous phone. The S3. I set HDR on. Nothing more! Nice and easy.
I'm not saying this shots is amazing, but i just found it to be better overall than the Compact. This also have 12mpx less! Newer Samsungs have a pretty decent camera! So my questions is now, what other phone would you guys recommend? I was quite happy with my Samsung til it got slow and the battery drained out easily. I'm also happy with Sony, apart from the camera.
It's not unlocked.
Have you tried to use Google Camera? I think these crappy denoising algorithms won't be used in it. It lacks advanced options but if you just want to make nice photos with 'auto' i think it might be good enough.
Manual mode, much better photos than superior auto.
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Thank you for a good answer. Some of the shots is amazing! Still, i can see them getting a little blurry. Also i think that if you can't choose auto and take decent photo when you are in a hurry it's actually a struggle. If you always have to set your ISO etc. Then i would rather bring my DSLR with me instead! Here are some examples from my previous phone. The S3. I set HDR on. Nothing more! Nice and easy.
I'm not saying this shots is amazing, but i just found it to be better overall than the Compact. This also have 12mpx less! Newer Samsungs have a pretty decent camera! So my questions is now, what other phone would you guys recommend? I was quite happy with my Samsung til it got slow and the battery drained out easily. I'm also happy with Sony, apart from the camera.
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Well, it's true that auto mode is not good. I had an Xperia P before this one and never had any issues with the camera. It had 8 mpx of amazing quality camera on the daylight at least.
But as I said, once you set your manual mode, you almost never have to fiddle around with it. At least I don't. I set iso to 100 and when it's daylight i start camera by shortcut, and on night time i start it by shutter key.
Anyway, I keep my fingers crossed that lollipop will fix all that, because it's software issue only if you ask me.
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Well, it's true that auto mode is not good. I had an Xperia P before this one and never had any issues with the camera. It had 8 mpx of amazing quality camera on the daylight at least.
But as I said, once you set your manual mode, you almost never have to fiddle around with it. At least I don't. I set iso to 100 and when it's daylight i start camera by shortcut, and on night time i start it by shutter key.
Anyway, I keep my fingers crossed that lollipop will fix all that, because it's software issue only if you ask me.
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Tried today with your settings. Works better, so thanks! Still very blurry, but not as bad like it was. Why haven't anyone mentioned something about the camera before? Since allot of you are experiencing it? Hope Sony will release an update soon because this isn't OK at all! The colors and details are pretty decent. It just becomes blurry and not sharp enough. and why can't we turn on HDR?
Everybody has mentioned it. It's the third most talked about thing with this phone after root and battery.
Apart from the low light algorithms the camera is pretty ****.
Like the others I hope L will fix it. Until then i just use camera fv5. It even uses the hardware button so it's cool. And much better pics
HDR only works in 8MPx mode. Can't turn in on in 15.5/20MPx mode. And it's not THAT great actually. Wise exposure helps more than the HDR.
Also, you could maybe try the Camera FV-5, which has a ton of settings and also RAW capturing abilities, if you'd like to postprocess the images on your own. But I doubt anyone is doing this and taking it somehow seriously.
You have to play around a lot with the camera, bringing down exposure as suggested is a great start. I left the size at 8MPx, and also played around with some scenes (useful in the night) or lowlight, you sacrify motion blur from long exposure time for more noise, but that's how it works in photography.
The camera is not bad, you just need to be patient with it, if you'd like to quickly snap perfect shots, this may not be the perfect device, however, if you use the camera wisely, it can deliver stunning photos for large prints.
saab90095 said:
Tried today with your settings. Works better, so thanks! Still very blurry, but not as bad like it was. Why haven't anyone mentioned something about the camera before? Since allot of you are experiencing it? Hope Sony will release an update soon because this isn't OK at all! The colors and details are pretty decent. It just becomes blurry and not sharp enough. and why can't we turn on HDR?
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The pictures you posted before from the S3 really aren't better then the Z3C. Why no mentioned anything about the camera before? I'd relay the question back at you, why haven't you looked up the forum, because there are really PLENTY of topics regarding the camera. So the only thing I can conclude is that you didn't even check the forum. Even the blurry pictures have been mentioned before. Like someone above mentioned, try Camera FV-5 or any other ap. I use Camera FV-5 myself and I'm really happy with it, even with an unlocked BL. Check out the topic I created (in my signature) and you'll find plenty of pictures from the phone. It can really make some great pictures, but as you said before when you don't have a lot of time to make a picture, to change settings it can really be a bich to work with.
wayne_sk said:
HDR only works in 8MPx mode. Can't turn in on in 15.5/20MPx mode. And it's not THAT great actually. Wise exposure helps more than the HDR.
Also, you could maybe try the Camera FV-5, which has a ton of settings and also RAW capturing abilities, if you'd like to postprocess the images on your own. But I doubt anyone is doing this and taking it somehow seriously.
You have to play around a lot with the camera, bringing down exposure as suggested is a great start. I left the size at 8MPx, and also played around with some scenes (useful in the night) or lowlight, you sacrify motion blur from long exposure time for more noise, but that's how it works in photography.
The camera is not bad, you just need to be patient with it, if you'd like to quickly snap perfect shots, this may not be the perfect device, however, if you use the camera wisely, it can deliver stunning photos for large prints.
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Ok, i actually just want something nice and easy. When i take pictures with my phone i don't want to try a bunch of settings for the camera to take a decent shot. and doing this in sunlight for example when you can't see the screen at all? Instead of just pressing the camera button..Actually the superior Auto is so bad i can't even describe it. I got some OK settings now, but far from good. Of course if you play around with the settings any camera can be good, the thing that you have to do that tells me it's rubbish! Then what's the point? I could rather bring my DSLR. I would be able to take better pictures, without a hassle. For me a good camera is very important, that's one of the reason i brought it. And can you really defend a 20mpx camera from 2014 that can't even take a clear shot on a sunny day with perfect light in Auto mode?
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The pictures you posted before from the S3 really aren't better then the Z3C. Why no mentioned anything about the camera before? I'd relay the question back at you, why haven't you looked up the forum, because there are really PLENTY of topics regarding the camera. So the only thing I can conclude is that you didn't even check the forum. Even the blurry pictures have been mentioned before. Like someone above mentioned, try Camera FV-5 or any other ap. I use Camera FV-5 myself and I'm really happy with it, even with an unlocked BL. Check out the topic I created (in my signature) and you'll find plenty of pictures from the phone. It can really make some great pictures, but as you said before when you don't have a lot of time to make a picture, to change settings it can really be a bich to work with.
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I have actually seen your photos, i did go through allot of camera samples before i brought it. Little did i know that the camera was useless in auto mode. I know the shots with my Samsung isn't that good but still, this is shot in Auto mode. The first picture has HDR but nothing more. If you compare that to what i did with my Sony it's WAY better. Because as i said, if i want to take some amazing shots i will use my DSLR instead. And when i'm not having it on me i want a decent photo, but i just can't get that with the Compact.
And the S3 has 8mpx, the Compact got 20.
I changed the settings on my Compact, still blurry and un-sharp.
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I have actually seen your photos, i did go through allot of camera samples before i brought it. Little did i know that the camera was useless in auto mode. I know the shots with my Samsung isn't that good but still, this is shot in Auto mode. The first picture has HDR but nothing more. If you compare that to what i did with my Sony it's WAY better. Because as i said, if i want to take some amazing shots i will use my DSLR instead. And when i'm not having it on me i want a decent photo, but i just can't get that with the Compact.
And the S3 has 8mpx, the Compact got 20.
I changed the settings on my Compact, still blurry and un-sharp.
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Sorry to say, but you've most obviously been too lazy to use the search function and you have even ignored the automatic search results while writing the title of this thread. Having said that, in the beginning you wrote about picture noise and that they come out blurred. Ok, but now you claim they're even unsharp. Sorry, that's definitely not a problem of the phone, at least you'd have the first sample with such an issue...
Regardless, please refrain from cluttering the forum by opening threads on topics that are already being *extensively* discussed. Thanks.
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The camera is not bad, you just need to be patient with it, if you'd like to quickly snap perfect shots, this may not be the perfect device, however, if you use the camera wisely, it can deliver stunning photos for large prints.
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Definitely depends what you are photographing. At 20MP I've taken some impressive photos, for sure, but under closer scrutiny on a large monitor they don't look quite as good, and they fall apart almost instantly when post-processed. Sony's sharpening algorithms are far too aggressive so any high-contrast edges look almost posterized. Other aspects of jpeg processing also leave a lot to be desired, even at low ISO. In other words, Sony took a decent sensor and only lets us get mediocre results.
And, yes, auto mode is an absolute joke. I estimate about one in ten photos I've taken in auto are useable (many of them only after slapping on Instagram filters). I just wish I could start in manual using the shutter button. Still, I'm not expecting output from a camera phone to come anywhere close to a good compact camera let alone a DSLR, so in that sense I'm a little less miffed. But reliable auto mode is essential IMO since that's always gonna be the most used mode for quick Facebook/Twitter/Instagram update snaps, which is how 99% of people use camera phones. Epic fail from Sony on that count.
I am most annoyed at all the clueless tech reviewers who last fall declared this to be the best phone camera, on a par or better than the iPhone and S5. It's not. Not even close.
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I am most annoyed at all the clueless tech reviewers who last fall declared this to be the best phone camera, on a par or better than the iPhone and S5. It's not. Not even close.
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This. A million times this. How on earth did initial reviewers rave about the camera? My experience of its performance closely mirrors your own. Only a small percentage of all photos come out looking ok, even though I've messed around with wb, iso settings etc.
Same here, got my z3c yesterday and I am quite disappointed with camery quality. Images become really blurry, especially on a front facing camera. It is clear to me, that it's a software issue, because when I look at the screenm picture looks OK. But when the photo is shot, it becames blurry after pocessing. I used to have iPhone 5s before and it did amazing photos compared to sony's device.
And I also agree with an opinion that most people don't want to mess with camera settings on a mobile phone. We just want to quickly take a decent photo in an auto mode...
Would really appreciate any tips that anyone has utilised to improve the camera settings (as its the one thing bugging me on an otherwise brilliant phone).
I was trying to add something to an Instagram story earlier via the camera on Instagram and everytime I took the picture, the actual shot would move slightly each time and cause the picture to blur (despite repeated attempts and me holding the camera dead still). It was like the camera was being nudged each time I pressed to take a picture. I used the stock camera (default settings) at the weekend and found the experience to be quite mediocre. A few came out quite well but generally they seemed to be a bit blurry or appear as though my dog was moving (when he was actually just sitting still).
I have a few Youtube vids saved to watch from. Another thread that have tips on how to get the best out of Photo Pro so will check those out later when I have time. I'm not a camera expert and Photo Pro seemed a bit overwhelming with all the options but happy to give it a go.
From what I have seen and read it seems the phone is exceptional in the pro app with lots of adjustment if required however the auto mode is a just ok.
It's a shame as clearly the potential is there and many people still want a great camera they can open up and shoot a decent picture without all the messing about.
Just don't know why they haven't improved this. There are lots of fans who like other aspects of a Sony phone but just don't want the messing about with the camera. It's a 'nice to have option' but I also want decent reliable results straight off the bat.