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Mystery storage memory bloat

My storage memory seems to steadily but significantly grow and grow. It is now at 98% full and I can't find any space. Normally after a hard reset and installing all of my data and apps this figure is in the 80% range. I do keep my temporary internet files cleaned out by removing everything from Windows\Profiles\guest\Temporary Internet Files which can generally free up a very large amount of space, say 10+ MB or so. The obvious additional pieces of information are:
-no new large files added
-quite a few SMSs - but not a thousand, maybe 50-200 total
-no new programs installed
-the mystery bloat seems to be in the Windows directory which is now 138MB (seems odd) as reported by Resco Explorer
I have used find large files feature and have thoroughly browsed my Windows directory and just can not find the large file(s) causing this. Could this be some kind of memory leak? This is the second time this has happened and the last time I resorted to a hard reset which drastically improved the problem (got rid of it and got me back down to the 80% level again which it seemed to stay at for quite some time). I really do not want to get in this mandatory endless hard reseting loop.
BTW: AT&T device and ROM, bloatware removed by reset during bloatware installation at start up. Any advice greatly appreciated.

you sure your removing the PIE cache by opening PIE and selecting to clear history and delete files by going to tools/options in PIE? thats the most common place you get internal memory getting eaten up. ive had 40mb go through PIe because i forgot to delete the files through the PIE settings

Thanks. Emptying that directory does the same thing. Just to be sure I did that anyway. No change. At 96% now. Ugh.

Give us a list of...
Device, is it a stock AT&T Tilt or one of the beta's we are hearing about?
Firmware, items shown on startup from soft reset!
Installed Apps/Cabs,
cause you could have something storing log files that you don't know about!
then we can have a reference of where to go!

OK here goes...
R 1.27.12.11 (std AT&T)
G 22.45.88.07H
D 1.57.00.00
Aps (in addition to std. ROM):
Opera
G Maps
Resco Expl+Today
TT6
iGuidance4
PC MAME
Calc98
Kaiser Notification (LED control)
TCPMP
World Card Mobile
Weather to Go (Tonaya)
MS Voice Com.
MS Live Search
Flash Video Bundle
Thanks again!

Look for a file named Today in the Windows directory. I noticed this on my Tilt ROM and it was steadily growing. It's safe to delete.

Also check your email, this can grow rapidly if you get attachments.
?Glitch

Does google maps save it's map cache to the storage card? I thought it didn't. If not, that would likely cause your memory to drop if you use google maps a lot.

Thanks so much guys.
@URPREY: The only file like that is Today_Order_23Jul07.cab and it is a whopping 3kB
@?Glitch: I only use SMS not MMS not e-mail, I think these guys are pretty darn small.
@snoogisnguy: I thought google maps downloaded everything it needed sort of in real time and cleaned stuff up in real time as well. Can you point me to a directory to examine for large files?

Bribe
OK hate to resort to a "bribe", but this problem is killing me. $25 to the person who can solve it. I'd be happy to simply make another donation to the forum as well.

Google maps keeps almost everything it downloads, if you use that a lot that would be my first guess.
check My device/application data/GoogleMaps and the file cashe-GLM.
Mine's about 2M and i rarely use it.

Try memmaid from Dinarsoft. It can evaluate your storage usage, including the google cache and tell you what is taking up the space. It's got a free 15 day trial.
http://www.dinarsoft.com/memmaid/

hard reset and start again... might be an issue that you may never find
on another note, why dont you sync up to windows and check the file/folder size of each one you have... theres not that many and so it should only take a few minutes
atleast that way you can narrow it down to what area of your phone is taking up so much memory... and then narrow it down to a file hopefully
just an idea

swamp2 said:
Thanks so much guys.
@URPREY: The only file like that is Today_Order_23Jul07.cab and it is a whopping 3kB
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Which file explorer did you use to check? The file that was on mine was a hidden file and had no extension so I only saw it with Total Commander. It grew very quickly and I had to delete it several time. I believe it was a cache file for the today screen. I use an RSS today plugin and I think that's what caused it. I have no issues after changing to a cooked ROM.

dunneldeen said:
Try memmaid from Dinarsoft. It can evaluate your storage usage, including the google cache and tell you what is taking up the space. It's got a free 15 day trial.
http://www.dinarsoft.com/memmaid/
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Thanks guys! All of the other suggestions, although great ideas, turned out to not be the culprit. The one above, with some more detective work was the winner. Memmaid located a folder called ~Recycled that was 15+ MB. It is a bug (or maybe even a "feature") in Resco Explorer that it does not show this directory ewven when you check show everything such as hidden, system, in ROM, etc. This directory held some files that were cached images from web browsing as well as other unidentifiable files. Memmaid also nicely deleted the entire directory. All was well until I got a bit too aggressive and used Memmaid to move all of the application caches to the memory card. This made my system very unstable, slow and almost unuseable. Luckily I could get back in Memmaid and undo those changes. Anyway a bit of a long struggle but finally this very annoying and crippling problem is solved. I really hope this thread helps out others with a similar problem.
As a follow up question does anyone know how to prevent such bloat in this directory in the first place? Seems like a very crippling feature of WM wihtout access to this directory.
dunneldeen: Was your suggestion enough of a solution that you want the "bribe" money? Thanks again either way!

You simply have to remove "recycle bin" feature from Resco Explorer settings, so your files will be deleted as soon as you do it and they will doesn't go to the recycle bin that in theory you have to empty manually, like your do with the one on your PC.

Phone storage gets lost

Hi there!
I'm having a problem with the phone storage, not the internal 4gb storage...
The phone storage is at 0.20 mb (free!), but i don't really know why! On Saturday there were about 20 mb of free storage, but now they are gone ... I didn't install any programms, just looked a few videos with the youtube player and played around with some pictures that where sent as an email attachement (2 mb per picture) and suddenly the phone tells me "memory is low". i tried the sktools "clean" tool, but i'm not quite sure what i can delete without killing my pim data and so on. Is there anyway to figure out which application keeps all the information stored that killed my storage?!
I looked through the phone folders in the explorer on my pc, but i can't say
where the lost storage is located
any ideas on this !?
Thanks in advance
André

Maybe browser cache-data is filling it up? checked temp folders? 0,20MB sounds weird tho. What ROM are you using?

i searched all the tempfolders (hopefully i found them all ) but there aren't any large tempfiles or so ...
is there any specific folder you want me to have a closer look at?
i'm using the original o2 rom (1.37.207.2 GER)

Make a hard reboot and choose the 2nd option in the hard reboot menu

i'll give it a try the next few days and keep you informed
thnx!

before hard reset use sktools and do a complete clean

Why don't you see in your system settings menu, click memorry.
There you find a 'link' which gives you the option to search for big size files that fill up your memory.

too bad it doens't find many small files

Rom With Ramdisk Preconfigured

Ram disk is a very nice addition to the hd, with the amount of spare ram it has. just the program is a pain to set up everytime you hard reset. would be a lovely additiomn to wm6.1 preconfigured to store temp files, cache storage,temp internet files, system files, bluetooth etc. Will have a go tomorrow in the kitchen, limited on skillz in the reg area, may need help.
ps. why are there no roms with ram disk???

Hardqs said:
ps. why are there no roms with ram disk???
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I don't know, I have also thought about it, but since my device isn't here yet, I can't do anything . What do you mean by "system files" or "bluetooth"? The other ones are quite clear.

well there is a bluetooth app which redirects the dir, so recieved bt files will go there,should spped things up in terms of the pda should reveives at the same speed but writes faster.
systems files, would be good if the feature of being able to use the feature of ramdisk, to have programs preloaded in a folder into the ram and is not deleted but written to cahce before shutdown and reloaded on start up. could keep favorite programs you wish to run faster in there. maybe startup system files but no sure about that??? to much space??? to complicated..

bluetooth dir - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=277187
ram disk - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382944

I don't think that putting received files in a ram disk is very bright, because you will have to move them, before making a soft-reset, else they will dissappear.
Putting cache files into a ram disk will really improve the speed of the browser, but on the other hand you will loose your cache with each soft-reset. On static sites, where a browser can make heavy use of caching functionalities this will also be an advert effect, which will cost money, because you have to download the same content again and again.

need to free up some main memory space

during the past few days, the diamond has been telling me that space in the main memory is going low. i go and see that there is only about 1.6 mb left. i usually install programs in the 4gb memory so i don't think those are programs. does opera leave cookies and other browser data in the main memory? what else should i delete to free up space?

Memory eater...
kevinf1990 said:
during the past few days, the diamond has been telling me that space in the main memory is going low. i go and see that there is only about 1.6 mb left. i usually install programs in the 4gb memory so i don't think those are programs. does opera leave cookies and other browser data in the main memory? what else should i delete to free up space?
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Opera eats LOADS of storage memory, as does Google Maps and lots of other stuff. There are a number of free apps available to clean up your device, but I find the best way is to just soft-reset. All the TEMP stuff is cleared away, and the device is free to run again!
Search the 'Themes, Applications and Software' forum for 'Clear Temp', or 'Clear RAM'... something like that!?

Free Memory on HTC Diamond
I had the same problem and it was my Outlook Mail. I synch with the office and had thousands of emails in my In and Outboxes. Delete from your outlook account on your PC/Laptopn and then resynch. You may need to delete from your device as there may not be enough room left to perform a synch.
Hope that helps

the first thing i did was a soft reset via the red button on the back but the remaining memory stayed the same. also i don't have al ot of email in my inbox. they are usually all deleted

i've been having this problem too, and now my touchflo won't even start up, and the phone has become really really slow. it takes ten minutes to just load a text to read. and right now i can't call anyone and they can't call me....if i do a soft reset, will my contacts be lost?

soft reset is a simple reset, your contacts won't be deleye, but if you do a hard reset, you loose all contacts, setting...

ok thanks, i'll try a soft reset and see what happens. i havent found an answer to my problems using the google search for this site though....

i can't even connect with active sync

Here are some tips:
1. Opera. Press the button at the bottom right and go into "Settings". Then "Privacy", then "Delete Cache". Sometimes the clear temp programs don't find the memory that Opera stores unless you have set them up correctly.
2. Use file explorer to see if you can go into the My Device/My Documents/My Pictures and see if there are any pictures you don't mind deleting. Also, while you are there also check My Music, and My Videos folders. Delete anything you don't want or relocate them into Internal Storage.
3. You can check to see if your Outlook (e-mails, contacts, calendar etc) has too much data. Check this on My Device using File Explorer. You can see a file called pim.vol. I have 2000 calendar appointments, 400 contacts and no e-mails/sms' and mine is 5.25MB in size. I think this is about right. If you have a silly amount of memory in this, then you do have something in Outlook you could delete....
4. Use a program like MemMaid, SKTools or Clear Temp to clean up bad links, registry etc.
5. Google Maps may take up 2MB or so. I think it is limited to around this amount.
6. Use Pocket Mechanic or similar to relocate installed programs to Internal Storage. Note though that some programs still will keep some files on the device memory so you cannot free up all of the memory.
7. Use MemMaid to check to see where all your storage has gone. This has a very good application to show you exactly where it is and also linked to the file explorer so it is easy to go to the offending file and delete it.
8. It is better to back up your phone first just incase you delete anything you shouldn't have.....
9. Flash a new ROM. I use Cloudy's 1.1 one. It is great. He has made two and they both leave you with a lot of free memory. I have many installed programs (mostly on Internal Storage) and I still have over 50MB of free ROM and RAM....
10. Use Diamond Tweak to disable the HTC dialer and use the Windows Dialer instead. I think this will save you about 2MB or RAM. It may not look quite as nice, but you can tart it up a bit with a new dialer skin....
Good luck

Main Memory Low

I save all my programs and install them on the internal drive. I am still getting a low memory warning. Are there any specific places I need to look , i.e Windows folder, etc.., where I can remove useless files? I'm afraid to delete some important things.
I have an Alltel Touch Diamond. Thanks in advance.

Low memory warning is not about the storage where you save your stuff & apps. Its the RAM of the diamond. To solve the issue you'll probably have to install another ROM with lower mem usage or close TF3D before running your heavy apps.

HI THERE
the program pocket mechanic solve me a lot of that issue .
after installing the prog. i removed some what of files to the intenal storage .
it did work for me just great /

windows folder/directory
open windows directory. goto Opera folder. goto images folder. any files that aren't jpg or png (meaning files that will have an opera logo in front of them) are deletable. If you use opera a lot and have never done this, there may be many. Also Windows/Messaging. this stores info from all emails, even when you delete, info is left here- delete all old stuff. If you feel iffy about trying any of this, create a folder in your internal storage to cut these files into, and if you have any trouble or do something wrong, you can cut/copy them right bsck (but these sre things i do to keep memory clear). Also, ClearTemp is an AWESOME HELPFUL program (and free). I think v1.21 is the latest, but after 3rd day of using it, it had recovered about 10mb of storage memory. (set it up properly, din't just hit 'clean'). good luck.
Lastly, some early diamonds (roms) had a known issue with unrecoverable storage memory, so last case scenario, update to newest official rom.

nickschot said:
Low memory warning is not about the storage where you save your stuff & apps. Its the RAM of the diamond. To solve the issue you'll probably have to install another ROM with lower mem usage or close TF3D before running your heavy apps.
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au contraire. memory on diamond is partitioned 3ways (storage memory, program memory, internal storage)
when you get a 'main memory low' msg, it's usually because your storage memory (not RAM), and not program memory, has dropped to <1mb. not your operating memory or program memory.

UgXvibe said:
I save all my programs and install them on the internal drive. I am still getting a low memory warning. Are there any specific places I need to look , i.e Windows folder, etc.., where I can remove useless files? I'm afraid to delete some important things.
I have an Alltel Touch Diamond. Thanks in advance.
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I dealt with this on my first diamond. Had to return it - it is an issue on early diamonds, known by htc (storage not erasing things it should, regardless of user settings). A search will turn up a handful of other threds on this topic.

Thanks for all the replies.. here are screens of what I'm talking about.
As you can see I have a ton of storage on the Internal but 1Mb left on Device... If you still agree that I should follow the advice above I will do that. Just wanted to clarify what I was talking about.

thank you scottspa74
I have exactly the same problem with storage memory and what scottspa74 proposed just gave me the solution to my problem .
Thank you very much

Well, I also found that if you have taken a lot of pictures and video with the phone it takes up a ton of device storage. Try deleting big video files or transferring them somewhere else.