I'm not a business executive, I'm only an 18 year-old student. I'm interested in getting the AT&T Tilt (I live in California) but I've had a couple of drawbacks.. I wanted to ask you guys if you feel it was worth the $300 to buy the phone. I don't plan on getting a data plan ($40? I'll pass!) but I do plan on getting unlimited sms. I do a lot of texting and instant messaging. Thanks in advance for your guys help!
If you dont need a PDA just get a mobile. I got a Kaiser but returned it for an N95 8gb as I wanted a phone that actually worked
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I'm not a business executive, I'm only an 18 year-old student. I'm interested in getting the AT&T Tilt (I live in California) but I've had a couple of drawbacks.. I wanted to ask you guys if you feel it was worth the $300 to buy the phone. I don't plan on getting a data plan ($40? I'll pass!) but I do plan on getting unlimited sms. I do a lot of texting and instant messaging. Thanks in advance for your guys help!
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You better off with a sidekick, or some mobile phone with a keyboard.
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If you dont need a PDA just get a mobile. I got a Kaiser but returned it for an N95 8gb as I wanted a phone that actually worked
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Lol I gave up my Nokia N95 8GB for Kaiser.
Hey look into Nokmote and Shutup for N95 if you haven't already.
Okay so now I'm really leaning towards this. I could use the GPS.. I like the fact how you can use different ROMs and applications on it. But I still don't plan on using the data other than within the wifi range. Will I have to pay for my usage of aim if I have unlimited sms? Personally, is it worth the $300?
That depends on you. I access my desktop a lot for quotes & business data. Being able to log on to my desktop from anywhere without having to lug around a laptop or burn gas driving back to home or the office is worth more than $300 dollars even more than $300 per a year. I stream some engineering videos for customers & I use it to listen to stereo music wirelessly while I jog. Heck, I can even ocassionaly watch porn. All from the same device!
I don't know what you're planning on using it for though. I couldn't imagine having a device without a data plan. If you don't get a data plan make sure you disable the data network. My first PDA years ago, I thought I'd try it out for a month befor I decided if I wanted a data plan....$541.00 mistake.
Really though, how often are you going to use the features it offers? That's what determines it's value. Not what I or anyone else thinks.
Mainly as a daily planner, mp3 player, messager. I doubt I'll use it much for email and such since I'm in college and the computer labs are not far from my classes. I just want to make sure what is considered DATA and what is considered part of the plan. If I use GPS, is it considered Data?
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Hi all,
I'm due for and upgrade soon and I was wondering what you think of your operator. Prices / Customer service and support / Network coverage etc.
EDIT-My original reason for this thread is below. I took the risk of going with Orange today and got a Trinity
I'm considering a Trinity (only on Orange atm) or a Hermes (on o2, T-Mobile and Vodafone)
I prefer to look of the Trinity (bigger storage card, size, cheaper and GPS) but I view Orange as a bad point, but the Hermes has more support and roms here and is available with my current operator - o2, who I plan to bribe with 'give a free phone and a better contract, or I'll go to t-mobile or vodafone.' Anyone had any luck doing that?
reliability- vodafone
best deals - t-mobile
t-mobile wins
Do you know if any of the UK providers offer unlimited internet connection (without the stupid 'fair use' policy)? I mean, really unlimited like usual broadband?
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Do you know if any of the UK providers offer unlimited internet connection (without the stupid 'fair use' policy)? I mean, really unlimited like usual broadband?
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err usual broadband is fair use too. only very few are truly unlimited
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Do you know if any of the UK providers offer unlimited internet connection (without the stupid 'fair use' policy)? I mean, really unlimited like usual broadband?
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How much are you planning on using? I find it hard to get anywhere close to the 1GB fair use "limit" on standard Web n Walk.
Unless you plan on doing a lot of streaming video, in which case you should get the Web n Walk pro which has a 10Gb ceiling, you will find it hard to download a lot on a pocket pc.
bbobeckyj, I tried the same 'bribe' but it got me nowhere. I have always been on O2, but might have to switch to Vodafone because they have much better contracts that suit my needs for my XDA Mini S. Vodafon are bringing out a new internet extra as well soon, so I'm going to wait until then.
Well guys and gals I successfully ported across to t-mobile from O2....the data charges are just scandalous on O2.
Web-n-walk and U-Fix 25....nice
HSDPA activated already according to the woman at t-mobile and i can verify it was....just watched the latest BBC News feed without a hitch!.
NICE
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How much are you planning on using? I find it hard to get anywhere close to the 1GB fair use "limit" on standard Web n Walk.
Unless you plan on doing a lot of streaming video, in which case you should get the Web n Walk pro which has a 10Gb ceiling, you will find it hard to download a lot on a pocket pc.
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I was thinking of using skype a lot actually. For that, I think definitely 1 GB limit will be crossed fairly easily. But for that also need a fast connection. Will look into all this when about to get new contract near end August.
Midget1990: I didn't know that usual broadband is also capped! I have NTL and I download easily something like 20 to 40 gigs a month, which sometimes increases and sometimes decreases... So far never faced any caps, and got this connection just for that fact that it was 'really' unlimited, even if the speed was just 2 Mbps.
Just so you know, t-mobiles usage policy doesnt allow skype...you have to use the web-n-walk pro for that.
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Just so you know, t-mobiles usage policy doesnt allow skype...you have to use the web-n-walk pro for that.
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Thanks for that!!!
You just potentially saved me spending a lot over nothing.
Now all that's left is to find someone who does allow unlimited usage and VOIP. I think I'm living in dreamworld
I don't really want to pay loads for a contract, but it looks like the cheapest t-mobile do is about £30 . Which would you say is better out of web n walk and flext?
EDIT: Just looked at flext 20 and it looks perfect for me. (Mobile internet (t-zones, WAP or web'n'walk) charges
Browsing costs 0.73p per KB, a maximum charge of £1 per day no matter how much you browse the internet on your mobile phone.)
Please could somebody say though, where would the £1 for the internet come from, because the £34 you get to spend a month just says that you use it on calls and texts. Does it come from somewhere else? (Never been on a contract before)
Well all i can say is im using flext 25 with web-n-walk 18.....that works out at 32.50 a month..........unlimited internet (obviously fair use...but a gig is MASSIVE for a pda)
the flext thing has 60 quid of allowance, works out at (if you go half for text and half for calls)
300 texts
150 minutes (anytime,anywhere(uk) )
plus free weekend calls to ANY uk number (not including premium or 08 numbers)
Youd get much more out of the flext + web-n-walk 25, but i really wanted to pay the cheapest option. I hate it when they put a few quid in between, but boost the allowance by almost double.
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Youd get much more out of the flext + web-n-walk 25, but i really wanted to pay the cheapest option. I hate it when they put a few quid in between, but boost the allowance by almost double.
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Yer ive noticed that...but the free weekend calls must be worth a HELL of alot.....think thats a limited time offer aswell??
Which have you looked at then?
I was gonna go with flext 20 + web-n-walk.
I can't see when the offer ends, I can't actually start the contract now so was going to in a month or so.
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Thanks for that!!!
You just potentially saved me spending a lot over nothing.
Now all that's left is to find someone who does allow unlimited usage and VOIP. I think I'm living in dreamworld
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WnW MAX allows skype, its basicly everything like home Broadband but with 10gb fair usage, you can go over but if you go over say 3months in a row they may contact you and ask you to reduce it, allthou 10gb for a PDA is a hell of a lot, unless you plan on using it as a modem a lot of the time 10gb should do.
if you will be using it as a modem all the time then the t-mobile usb modem might be a better option as that allows unlimtied internet - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/personal/.../internet-on-the-move/internet-on-your-laptop
Regards
I wish that t-mobile did a cheaper flext and web-n-walk. I only really want to spend £20 a month.
Orange - best customer service, talk 7 data plans ok, do the Trinity on very good deals if you shop around
T mobile - plans excellent if you want flexibility or if you download a lot.
O2 - customerservice absolute ****, plans ok, once the best range of PDA's - now limited
Vodafone - havnt a clue
Really depends on deal your offered. Orange clinched it for me at last upgrade - 7 months free line rental and a free trinity with GPS on a 12 month contract.
One thing to note about t-mobile wnw.
They are blocking IRC/MSN etc... over GPRS, some users have reported those apps are working correctly however recently signed up customers seem to have ports blocked??
Id be interested to know if anyone can use IRC over wnw....if so what GPRS settings are you using?
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my current operator - o2, who I plan to bribe with 'give a free phone and a better contract, or I'll go to t-mobile or vodafone.' Anyone had any luck doing that?
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Short answer - no. I've been with Genie and then O2 for many years, and the one thing that's happened in that time is handset and contracts have become more expensive. I rang up a while ago to try and get a new XDA, and they wanted to put me on a £35+ contract and I would still have to pay something for a (decent) phone.
What O2 are good at (for me at least) is giving you dirt cheap contracts. For instance I got a 1 year contract of £20 a month reduced to £10 a month, then £100 cash back for not taking a phone. So I'm paying £20 for a whole year for Online Offpeak 300 (or whatever the hell it is). Even the O2 rep suggested I just get an XDA off Ebay.
Hey,
I just got my 8525 about two months ago. What is my best plan of action for upgrading to the Kaiser? Does Cingular offer any kind of upgrade discount or anything like that where I can trade in the old phone? Or should I just sell it on EBay?
No help at all for this subject?
at&t/cingular does not offer any type of trade incentives for upgrading. ebay is your best bet to recoup any value from your 8525.
I am not sure how you expect us to answer the question as the Kaiser has not even been released yet. I agree with jamiefielder though that Ebay will likely be one of only a few avenues to trade up with. I am not aware of any of the companies doing anything for high end stuff. Sure they will give you a cheap motorola phone if you lock into a contract, but not for high end stuff.
None of the companies will give you any upgrade after only two months Your only choice is to sell the 8525 and buy the 8925 when it is available.
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Uncle SAM
Im not sure where you are at but if you dont mind waiting you can donate it and get some of teh money back on taxes if you itemize. I have a razor and a verizon push to talk phone that i will be donating
Thanks guys I thought so but I just wanted to make sure.
I will probably be buying the phone just straight out not looking to upgrade or anything, so I will just sell the 8525.
Quick ? though for anyone looking around this thread: Is it ever worth it for me to get data/internet plans? I am simply a college student who does no business but likes the nice phone and all the calendar/phone/roms/word mobile, etc etc. But I'm not sure about the usefulness of getting an internet package. Does anyone know anything specifically that they use the internet for on the phones?
I use it to get my email, and also to check stuff online if I'm just putzing around away from a computer. Plus I use telenav, so need a data plan for that. I went with the Media Max Unlimited plan. Gives you unlimited data and 200 sms, which I need anyway, so basically I have unlimited internet for $15 a month. That's worth it to me.
for the last 12 months I have been paying 30$ for my ATT Tilt internet, because on the internet I couldn't add the cheap 15 version of medianet. and on the phone they said because I have a pda I have to have a PDA plan which is 30$ min.. well today I tried a different method. called and asked if I could get the 15$ internet and she said if I updated my phone on my account. meaning if I give them a different IMei number other than a PDA to add it to my account than they can add the 15$ plan..so I had an extra Sony ericson flipphone. I just told her I wanna use my Sony phone and add it to my account. I did it she put me on 15$ plan. she said it wouldn't work on the tilt...well guess what? it is the same internet on my Tilt..I am in los angeles..I have HSDPA all the time..speed is the same..it is plain old PDA plan..it is I think to supsidy the costs of the PDA phones, they are doing it to make more profit..on my account it is showing now i am using a regular phone...and if something happens to my Tilt, she said i could update my account to tilt so I can return for warraty changes..I can't believe I have been paying double for my internet for no reason...hope it helps some of the people who didn't now about this..Good luck..
Hayati
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for the last 12 months I have been paying 30$ for my ATT Tilt internet, because on the internet I couldn't add the cheap 15 version of medianet. and on the phone they said because I have a pda I have to have a PDA plan which is 30$ min.. well today I tried a different method. called and asked if I could get the 15$ internet and she said if I updated my phone on my account. meaning if I give them a different IMei number to add it to my account than they can add the 15$ plan..so I had an extra Sony ericson flipphone. I just told her I wanna use my Sony phone and add it to my account. I did it she put me on 15$ plan. she said it wouldn't work on the tilt...well guess what? it is the same internet on my Tilt..I am in los angeles..I have HSDPA all the time..speed is the same..it is plain old PDA plan..it is I think to supsidy the costs of the PDA phones, they are doing it to make more profit..on my account it is showing now i am using a regular phone...and if something happens to my Tilt, she said i could update my account to tilt so I can return for warraty changes..I can't believe I have been paying double for my internet for no reason...hope it helps some of the people who didn't now about this..Good luck..
Hayati
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nice to know man ... well i have to keep the 30 dollar plan for six months (2 more months) and i already have another line on my account so i guess i'll cancel the plan on my tilt and get it on the other line and than use that sim in my tilt to get the access ...
are you talking about unlimited data plan?
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are you talking about unlimited data plan?
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yes.i am talking about internet.
I have always known this, i used the media net on my old palm treo. I'm paying $30 a month now since i got my tilt.
EDIT: this below doesn't seem to work for everyone...
However, for you brave souls. There is a way around it, you can add the $15 plan on their website. (of course if you do this, log in and cancel your current PDA plan)
Do not log in, stay logged out
Go to Shop/Features/View All
Click Media Net Unlimited, "current customers purchase here"
And then follow the steps.
Not many people know about that, you can't add it if your logged in, because it recognizes what phone you have.
(it may take up to 24 hours to update your account this way,)
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yes.i am talking about internet.
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well... i understand that you are talking about internet, but i don't understand if this is unlimited data or you have some limitations (like amount of data, port restrictions,...).
not that this is important to me since i don't live near US or at&t, but i was just wondering because here in croatia we pay:
- 391kn (85$) unlimited data (flat)
- 291kn (63$) 3GB
- 191kn (41$) 1GB
- 91kn (20$) 512MB
so if you pay 15$ for unlimited data i just don't know what to say. not to mention average monthly pay here in croatia being way below 1000$.
It's unlimited (up to 5gb). I have been using it for months now and have had zero problems. People claim that if you exceed 5gb of data usage, AT&T will get suspicious.
Jeff
antihrist said:
well... i understand that you are talking about internet, but i don't understand if this is unlimited data or you have some limitations (like amount of data, port restrictions,...).
not that this is important to me since i don't live near US or at&t, but i was just wondering because here in croatia we pay:
- 391kn (85$) unlimited data (flat)
- 291kn (63$) 3GB
- 191kn (41$) 1GB
- 91kn (20$) 512MB
so if you pay 15$ for unlimited data i just don't know what to say. not to mention average monthly pay here in croatia being way below 1000$.
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i can't believe you guys pay that much over there. it is for unlimited..about ATT being suspicious if we pass 5gb is not so much what happens. i use so much every month. they don't care about it. there are enough people paying double anyways. if it is unlimited it doesn't matter wich phone u use..plus they wil blame us with what? nothing. so yes i wil pay 15 dollars a month for unlimited internet. ohh i didn't know about buying it without logging in..it is good to know.
i just called att and updated my plann, they said it would take in effect immediately but i will wait till tomorrow morning to see for sure.
thanks a lot for the tip guys saved a bunch of money on my bill
i use to have $30 unlimited PDA for 2 phone so that means $60 total, now its $15 unlimited internet each, for 2 phone so thats $30 total
lol
haha thats great! i dont have a unlimited data plan because of the $30 price. its ridiculous
now i might consider doing this trick to get that $15 plan.
thanks
just hopefully no att representatives are viewing this forum.
they also have a "media max 200" plan which gives you the $15 unlimited data plan plus 200 text messeges for and additional $5. So your total a month would be $20. Have done that after reading a thread back in December time frame. Currently in Peru on Vacation but when i get back in Sept. I will reactivate the media max 200.
also i have tried the internet sharing and no suspicion with ATT. So i love it.
Sheesh, that's quite a vacation.
Fwiw, for years i've used media max unlimited (since I had a wizard) and i've never had a problem.
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for the last 12 months I have been paying 30$ for my ATT Tilt internet, because on the internet I couldn't add the cheap 15 version of medianet.
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I think AT&T insists on the $30 plan because it's their way of offsetting the cost of the phone. Most customers will obtain the Kaiser from the operator rather than an OEM HTC model. And because AT&T discounts the phone heavily, they have to build in a way to get the phone to a price point that most customers will want to pay. They write it into a contract so that they can recover the expense of the discount they offered you when you bought the phone.
In my case, I had the MEdia Max bundle for my RAZR, so when I got my TyTNII it carried over. But at least one workaround would be to borrow a friend's phone, put your SIM in that phone, go online to change your plan and then put the SIM back into your phone. Many times the phone will identify itself to the network so you don't even have to manually change it.
Welcome to about a year ago everyone.
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i can't believe you guys pay that much over there. it is for unlimited..about ATT being suspicious if we pass 5gb is not so much what happens. i use so much every month. they don't care about it. there are enough people paying double anyways. if it is unlimited it doesn't matter wich phone u use..plus they wil blame us with what? nothing. so yes i wil pay 15 dollars a month for unlimited internet. ohh i didn't know about buying it without logging in..it is good to know.
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neither i can believe. we have 3 mobile operators here and prices are still outrageous. i guess there is some problem with my country in general, not only operators.
looks like i'm going to keep paying so much for mobile internet for some time...unless i decide to move in US.
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I have always known this, i used the media net on my old palm treo. I'm paying $30 a month now since i got my tilt.
However, for you brave souls. There is a way around it, you can add the $15 plan on their website. (of course if you do this, log in and cancel your current PDA plan)
Do not log in, stay logged out
Go to Shop/Features/View All
Click Media Net Unlimited, "current customers purchase here"
And then follow the steps.
Not many people know about that, you can't add it if your logged in, because it recognizes what phone you have.
(it may take up to 24 hours to update your account this way,)
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I got up to the part where it asked me for my info, i'm going to try this tonight and update throughout the week, i doubt that this would hold though, but it's worth a shot. It did however prompt me for the $15 data plan instead of the $30 so the future is bright...so far.
people have been doing it for awhile now. Nothing new.
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I think AT&T insists on the $30 plan because it's their way of offsetting the cost of the phone. Most customers will obtain the Kaiser from the operator rather than an OEM HTC model. And because AT&T discounts the phone heavily, they have to build in a way to get the phone to a price point that most customers will want to pay. They write it into a contract so that they can recover the expense of the discount they offered you when you bought the phone.
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Nah, it's simply because PDAs use data connections much much more than non-PDA phones. Just wait until the day after tomorrow when the iPhone 3G starts hitting the streets, I expect quite a bit more of att's 3G bandwidth will be in use.
This has been known for months and discussion of this deal is in many threads.
yup, I remember when I first did this on my 8125/wizard... Only thing you might wanna watch for is the IMEI sweeps that I'm sure they don't do intentionally... I've had mine set up for my old 551, but mysteriously it will change in the OLAM to my 8525... and now with my Tilt as well... They've never changed my bill, or sent me a notice, but they know what everyones doing...
...for ppc phone users
I remember when i first got a Wizard a few years ago and o2 wanted to charge me something ridiculous like £££££££s/mb on data, then it went to £££££/mb (my brain gets fuzzy remebering that far back). I left and went to orange who charged me £8/30mb + £1/extra 1mb, then a week ago I went into the shop to look at a Diamond, they didn't have one, but :drumroll:
They now do a £7.50/500mb bundle!
Still no hope of me buying an iPhone though.
don't you people think we discuss too much 'iphone' here!
windows mobile is a really good think from microsoft.
but vista just plain sucks! and i found this out after spending a day with openSUSE 11.0.
watch it on youtube!
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don't you people think we discuss too much 'iphone' here!
windows mobile is a really good think from microsoft.
but vista just plain sucks! and i found this out after spending a day with openSUSE 11.0.
watch it on youtube!
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The meaning of my post was not about the iPhone itself (& how good/bad it may be).
But, that due to the marketing of the 1st generation apple phone, operators have started selling data rates at usable prices, which benefits us windows mobile users who have suffered high prices for years and across probably 100 different phones before we get good deals.
My local o2 shop has only one phone advertised in the window (guess), it's on tv, in the cinema, everywhere, and it was advertised before release. Yet the first time I've seen a WM phone advert in 'regular' press was this week (& for a Diamond, how many were made before that? & how many years ago?).
We've had to wait for a competitor before we get good deals, or any promotion to encourage pricing
Nothing happened in the us =/ PDA Personal (Unlimited data) is still like $30 T.T
Kraize92 said:
Nothing happened in the us =/ PDA Personal (Unlimited data) is still like $30 T.T
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medianet unlimited is $15/month if you know how to talk to customer service.
mariner_heart said:
don't you people think we discuss too much 'iphone' here!
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Mayb the word iphone should be filterd or banned lol
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Mayb the word iphone should be filterd or banned lol
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eyefoan ???
bbobeckyj said:
eyefoan ???
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ya haha Gues its imp0sible
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medianet unlimited is $15/month if you know how to talk to customer service.
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Doesn't AT&T audit acounts now to make sure that you don't use a PDA on a non-PDA unlimited plan?
I'm under a premier business account with AT&T, and I still pay $60/month for unlimited data and messaging. I have two 8525's on my account with unlimited everything, and my bill is $130/month (only thanks to a 28% service discount due to my account's affiliation).
AT&T is pricey...
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Doesn't AT&T audit acounts now to make sure that you don't use a PDA on a non-PDA unlimited plan?
I'm under a premier business account with AT&T, and I still pay $60/month for unlimited data and messaging. I have two 8525's on my account with unlimited everything, and my bill is $130/month (only thanks to a 28% service discount due to my account's affiliation).
AT&T is pricey...
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I had the $19.99 plan up until two weeks ago. Through an 8125 and almost a year of a Tilt on a 2 year contract. I got both "unaddable" data plans from calling Customer Care, two methods, both worked beautifully.
Way one is to call AT&T CC, using your sim in another phone. Tell them you are calling using your new handset, and the Tilt is just going to be a PDA for you. They will guide you through getting the IMEI number off your new handset. Ask them to update the data plan to the better price, as you are still going to browse the web on the simpler device. They'll update the phone for you, and then drop the price to 15/mo.
I got my 19.99 plan by calling and haggling until I got the price I wanted. You can only do that if you are within the first 30 days of a new contract. Threaten to leave and go to VZW because of a solicited package through the local retailer and your employer, which you would be willing to pass up if AT&T would match it.
I am currently using a cheap little Virgin mobile phone and I pay $20 every 2-3 months, but I just got a G1 and I have been flashing all sorts of roms on it and love it, but my question is what is the cheapest service plan? I make 2 minutes phone calls maybe twice a week and send maybe 10 texts a week so I really dont need much I just need cheap and I do not need data(well to be honest I just cant afford it) So what plan would you guys go with?
Why would you get a g1 if you don't have a data plan? Come on!
I'm not sure.. though I heard of an app on iPhones called Line2... it works as the "provider" for the phone and I hear it was cheaper than AT&T's rates.
Google for g1 line2 or something or consider Google Voice.
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Why would you get a g1 if you don't have a data plan? Come on!
I'm not sure.. though I heard of an app on iPhones called Line2... it works as the "provider" for the phone and I hear it was cheaper than AT&T's rates.
Google for g1 line2 or something or consider Google Voice.
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That is absurd.
With all the free wifi's around, unless you need push email, there is no sense in getting a data plan.
@OP: What country/city are you in?