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Which ROM recomend to my cingular 8125

Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
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jefferson_paredes said:
Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
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I recommend you stay with the stock rom. You don't want to take the time to read, you don't want to take the time to learn, and I quote:
jefferson_paredes said:
I´m a completly neebie.
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Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.

jefferson_paredes said:
Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.
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This forum is not for the faint of heart. It is halfway expected that you experiment and read up on other's experiences before asking for help. Most folks here did precisely that and have learned from experience and mistakes, that is why you'll receive that kind of response.
My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.

jlczl said:
My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.
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This is helpful
Thanks

I also had the original ROM. I upgraded to 2.17 first and then to 2.25 original ROM from Cingular. I have heard that some folks had problems downgrading so I have only gone up. Eventually summiter will have a modified version that covers new stuff.
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jefferson_paredes said:
Thanks for the useless response.
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Garbage in, garbage out. Sticks and stones mate.
Posting what you did, I gave you exactly what you should have expected. I'm not going to tell you to go ahead, void your warranty, and you some how brick your device by flashing it wrong or using the wrong rom, Summiter's projects or not.
I'm merely stating that with the lack of information you provided, and the type of post you made (which as been done many times), you should have thought a little harder about what you're getting into.
I personally don't want to be responsible for you flashing your device, and neither does the author of the custom rom you may choose. My statement of "stick with the stock rom" also applies to recommended STOCK upgrades, such as the one found here:
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/software_downloads_8125.htm
I still don't recommend you electing to flash a custom rom until you are more confident about the possibility of dumping $700 worth of phone as a paper weight. There is always the chance you will brick your device. If you do it with a stock rom, then the provider's warranty kicks in and they have to take the dive, not you or your pocket book.
So dear sir, for the lame attempt at shoving my post right back in my face, it was actually quite helpful if you bothered, once again, to read, read, and read some more. I'm not doing this to flame you, I'm not doing this to be a tard or a ****... but I am taking the voice of many users here who heed caution to you, because using a customized rom is a serious matter, and should be taken into consideration when a $700 device may be bricked.
Just trying to cautiously make you aware of the circumstances. My recommendation: stick with stock - upgrades are a part of stock roms and don't void your warranty (as long as they don't investigate the SuperCID unlocking you did, you're all gravy).
Cheers! and best of luck on your ROM hunt.

Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your

jschaff said:
Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your
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I agree 100% with your post. the post made by mengesb was useless and unnecessary.

We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn. Be careful of who you offend when you ***** about an "Old Timer" that's responding to a Posting that has very little information regarding the knowledge of the Poster.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
If we displease you... maybe look for help somewhere else.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow

To answer the question, the best rom IMHO currently is Summiter's multi-installer AKU2.3 package. He's fixed many of the initial gotcha's and the result is the best radio/AKU combination for the 8125. The only issue is a pesky Times New Roman font that occasionally crops up.
Once SIM & CID unlocked, you'll have no pblms installing this one with your v3 chipset.

Dr Puttingham said:
We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow
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I can understand where you're coming from. I'm pretty "new" to these forums, as well -- actually, though . . . NOT!! I "lurked" for a LONG time before I ever started posting and read every thread I could find about upgrading, tweaking, hacking, etc., etc.
I'm coming from a Carrier's customer forum where I feel about THAT forum the same way the "old-timers" here feel about noobs posting questions. It seems like every 4 - 6 weeks, there's an influx of noobs, and they all keep asking the same questions over and over again, without taking the time to use the site's search feature, and we "old-timers" get tired of answering the same questions over and over again, and get extremely frustrated that posters WON'T take the time to do a search and read and apply before posting. AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!! I mean, the answers to 75% of the questions that are asked are right in the User's Manual, for Pete's Sake!!
So, I'm now spending more of my time here reading, researching, applying and THEN asking, if need be. Much more productive information over here, anyway. So, I can see BOTH SIDES of this coin -- both as a relative noob here and as a seasoned veteran of the other forum.
Personally, though, the main reason I don't post more often than I do is that I feel pretty much intimidated with all of the knowledge and the members WITH that knowledge on this forum. But, I will also be quick to say that when I had a problem with a tweak, or a hack that I couldn't seem to overcome, there have been those who have bent over backwards for me to help when I would PM them about it, and THAT was very much appreciated. The ones who have gone that "extra mile" have never in any way made me feel inferior to them when it comes to developmental issues I've inquired about.
From lurking around on here, I've turned into a virtual SPONGE, trying to soak it all in and learn all there is to learn. . . so, bear with me if I should happen to be the one asking a question -- ok??

Lurking is good. The best way to learn here is by lurking and reading, and not just reading selected postings for a day or two. So many questions have already been asked and just need to be found. These forums move quickly and sometimes one needs to go back a few pages to find something and the search COULD be better, but that's the way it is.
I was referring to those that call mengesb names, etc because he didn't give them the answer that they wanted. Actually I thought that he put more time and understanding into answering the OP than I might have, given the information presented. And no, he didn't flame the author.
And I, for one, might not go all out to help someone that responds in such a manner should they need assistance in the future. I mean, who wants to offer advise and risk being called an A-Hole? Not me, that's for sure!
That's just my opinion.
Steven

As someone relatively new to this forum, I've tried to take the same tack as newbie2 and lurk as much as I can. However, even the most comprehensive community cannot answer any and all questions that someone may have. The key here is to be able to differentiate between valid questions asked by someone who's new, and idiotic questions asked by someone who doesn't care to do some research.
That being said, even with about a week’s worth of research I have yet to find a definitive answer as to which custom ROM is the best, and, because we are a community of volunteers, a lot of documentation that would exist for a commercial product is missing. Now that's to be expected, and I don't fault the ROM developer for building what is essentially, something for him, that he shares with the community. However, given that this documentation either doesn't exist or is distinctly lacking, I think the community that the ROM is shared with could be a bit more forthcoming with information, either by making it available in a wiki or in these forums. Keyword searching to try to find the best extended ROM gives a whole bunch of people asking which one is best, as well as the two or three large threads with either summiter's ROM or MrClean's.
Now I know that experimenting can be the best way to find out the information that I seek, but when it's possible to brick a $400 piece of electronics simply by experimenting, one has to be as prudent and careful as possible. That's a frightening proposition and it puts a lot of newbies in a difficult position.
So to conclude this rather verbose post, the best thing that can be done is for the older and more experienced posters to simply respond with a bit of information about the topic being asked, and then if there is a more specific question, to explain to the poster that they can search for this info. This gives newer people that do search and do research the benefit of information shared from more experienced posters without hopefully clogging up the forum with tons of the same question.

Words of caution - and some help
By far, as many of the thread lurkers here can say, the roms submitted by Summiter are probably the better quality roms. But, in light of things, you have a few options:
Mr. Clean ROMs
Summiter's ROMs
Mobiz ROMs
these are the three that I've seen around these parts. Mr. Clean roms are a derrivitive of Summiter's projects, which basically clean out the carrier customization. If you don't like carrier customizations, then this rom would be the best for you.
For those of us who like to use carrier customizations, we usually elect to use Summiter's roms. They typically are very stable, fast, and come already with the generally pre-defined or commonly desired hacks located in the wiki.
As for the Mobiz ROMs, I cannot say one thing or another. I've only recently seen talk about them in the past month or so, and I'm not going to speak of a product I don't have personal experience from.
I don't want to come off complete as a jack ass, but you also do understand where I'm coming from - if my recommendation nukes your device, who's the first person you're going to flame? Me or the Author of that ROM. I've been experimenting with my own ROM customizations myself, and let me tell you, even I haven't dared flash one of my own creations because numerous people here have nuked their devices doing that very thing! I... for now... like many other people await for a seasoned ROM cooking professional to work on those waffles until the ROM feels right - Summiter.
What I will always recommend a new comer is to stick with a stock rom, and do as many minor adjustments to their device as possible just to simply make it faster. If Summiter would post is SummSumm.cab file, that would be perfect for you honestly! You wouldn't void your warranty, and that cab has a lot of good registry hacks to make your device nice and speedy.
When you're ready, and know the concequences, there will be people here to help you attempt to save your device if it does get in trouble. Here's a quick note in that event:
If for some reason your flash fails, or gets interrupted (either by you unplugging the USB cable because you think its hanging; or the dreaded BSOD - blue screen of death), when your device reboots, hold down the camera key. This should load you into the bootloader if its not completely nuked. If you get a tri-color (RGB) screen with/without some white and a 'USB' marking above the left soft key, then you're still good. Resume the updater and don't interupt it.
I'm sure this is a more polite way of giving you the information you seek - and helps you to being well on your way to the club of warranty voided 8125's like many of us here pay our memberships to. I always want to have the voice of this, "Flashing your device can brick your $400-650 investiment - you have been warned."
I'd also recommend searching posts made by the following: machinagod, summiter, Dr Puttingham, and kyphur.

The warranty warning is a valid issue. And the latest ROM release by Cingular is an OK ROM. In your position I'd probably upgrade to that official version and install one of the various reg tweaks cabs available here. I've been using Molski's speed tweaks contribution and notice a marked improvement when using any of the ROMs'.
I personally go back and forth between sumitter's latest, the PDA Mobiz (cuz I like some of the add-ins) and a test ROM that faria made special for me.
If you decide to chance your warranty that's your decision. Actually very few folks that have painstaking followed the procedure have bricked their phones but there's always that chance. I made a conscious decision at the beginning of the year when I got my Wizard that .. first, I had to have direct push and second, if I DID brick my phone I'd consider it a $300 paperweight and blame no one but myself.
I've flashed my phone at least a dozen times I'm sure, in addition to maybe 10 or so of my clients. Luckily I've never bricked a phone yet but a lot of that isn't luck. If you go this route and decide to use an unofficial ROM you must CID and SIM unlock. There are those that say different but sumitter, faria and other custom ROM builders say "do", up to you.
Anything we can help you with, ask.
Steven
chow

I have a TMo MDA and am a six-week-old noob, but learning fast, having spent probably 1000 hours reading posts from here and HoFo. I've decided to keep the stock ROM, at least for the time being, for the reasons cited in previous replies here. Also, in almost every case with the custom ROM's there is a minority that have problems, either small or big, and that has led me away from the adventure of ROM burning. Plus, my stock ROM works fine for me and I'm only having one problem that may be solved by now. It has no major quirks, has enough memory remaining, and rarely crashes.
What bothers me about the custom ROM's is the undercetainty of some of the steps. Do I need Lokowiz and if so which version? Some say you must use the older 2a under some circumstances. With at least one ROM upgrade you can upgrade if you have ROM "X," but if you have "Y" you must downgrade to "Z" first and then upgrade. I entertained the possibility of just doing a hard-reset, then omit the TMo extended ROM, but nowhere could I find info on what I'm missing by eliminating it. Will the phone function at 100% without it? Can I selectively run the CAB's, and if so who makes a list of what is in each CAB? Too many questions for which I see no answers, or foggy ones. Someone needs to write a comprehensive FAQ on these topics.
I did do the slit-antenna mod, which did help a bit, and that was only one day into my MDA ownership. That was a big jump and didn't seem like a risky move like the fingers-crossed, heart-pumping, adrenaline rush of flashing your ROM. I also have installed apps and tweaks that have made the MDA a pleasant experience so far.
My advice would be to play with your new phone for a while and ask yourself, "Am I happy with the way this works," then read about other ROMs available and ask yourself another question: "Will this help enhance my PDA-phone experience in any meaningful way, or do I just like the rush of playing in the street?" Then decide if the improvements, if any, are worth the risks. So far for me they are not...but who knows what will happen tomorrow.

I feel like a commercial here, but I think for newbies (as me) the mobiz ROM has a the usefull stuff, it has all tweaks, programs etc.
I still like it and keep on using it.

WARNING: Beware of pdaviet WM6 rom!!!

Hi all,
as most of you probably knows, today an alleged new WM6 rom from PDAVIET has been released.
Far from being 'new', this rom is nothing other than a copy of the leeked WM6 rom we all know plus a lot of 3rd party tools ripped off, without asking permission, from Faria's Aku3.3 rom. An evidence is in the image posted below, it has been found inside PDAVIET's rom but, if you look at the logo, you'll see Faria's name. This is only one of the many evidences i can give you.
Moreover, this rom includes many bugs and inconsistencies due to the indiscriminate mixing of WM5 and WM6 files.
That said, having long discussed the problem with Faria, we've decided to post this message to warn you against this rom and to make clear the following points:
1 - Faria is NOT involved in any way with this rom, the guys who prepared it or the site which originated it. Similarly, he is not involved with any of the WM6 roms you may find in this or other forums/blogs/warez sites.
The presence of documents and images containing Faria's name inside pdaviet's WM6 rom is due to the fact they "borrowed" some 3rd party software made or arranged by Faria himself. This doesn't imply any involment of Faria in the WM6 rom developing/publishing.
2 - The same can be said for all the other developers in this forum: Bepe, Molski, me and others. We are not in any way to be connected to any of the leeked wm6 roms out there.
3 - We, faria and me, strongly advise you against the use of pdaviet rom in your devices. By copying Faria's work and mixing WM5-only with WM6 files without even realizing what they were doing, pdaviet guys have proved all their incompetence in rom developing/cooking. That said, Faria DECLINES every responsibility for every problem you may experience by using his tools inside pdaviet's rom.
4 - Considering the irresponsible and illecit use of his work, Faria decided to stop developing/fixing applications for use in WM6 roms. For this reason, he won't publish anymore programs, fixes or workarounds for any problem/issue concerning any WM6 rom. The development will restart when and whether Microsoft will allow us to post WM6 roms in this forum.
Hoping for newer and better WM6 roms (and for MS's permission to use them ) we want to express you our best regards!!!
Bye bye

Well, I posted immediately upon trying their first attempt it was a botched job from the get go. Sad to hear that Faria is stearing clear of WM6 support but I can't blame him. He doesn't "need" us for anything. He's been doing an awesome job just helping us get up to speed where he already is.
Thanks for all of your help so far Faria. It is much appreciated and you've been very helpful. We will be anxiously waiting for a WM6 release from you and the rest of the gang.
-Mc

Ill wait too for your release of a rom

That will be a long wait probably never because they will only release the ROM when this condition is met:
"The development will restart when and whether Microsoft will allow us to post WM6 roms in this forum."
It's very unlikely MS will allow it

Ill still use the the leaked wm6 rom but will wait for a cooked rom from faria or
the other develepers in this forum that have done good roms.

PDAViet
I'd like to add that the reason to stay away from PDAViet's WM6 ROM is due to moral and ethical reasons of how they used Faria's work.
The actual ROM is considerably faster than the clean WM6 ROM. You need to change a registry key once installed to fix keyboard layout for english users.
It's a shame they released the ROM in such a devious way. If it didn't have Faria's work it would be worthwhile to install until such time as a better WM6 ROM comes along. It's definitely much more useable than the clean WM6 ROM which was doggy slow.
Also, I haven't noticed any additional bugs or inconsistencies other than the clean WM6 ROM.

look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.

Good Job
faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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After installing and using the 3.3 ROM that you had a hand in cooking I will gladly wait til you can oficially/legally release a cooked WM6 ROM. I agree that it was wrong for PDAVIET to use your work without permission so therefore I would not use that ROM. I understand the time that you put into something just to have it abused. I have learned alot just by reading all these posts and searching through the forums. I have been a member for over a year and really dont post unless its something that I definetely need help with. I would rather find it on my own and understand what Im doing rather than just install something and be completely dumb to what I just installed. Thank you all who are willing to help us and explain.

Makes perfect sence not too rock the boat when theres still so much live in the NEW 3.3 rom you only released this week

aSKED fOR tIME
faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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WE SHALL. ITS THE LEAST THAT WE CAN DO TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU EFFORTS.

faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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I actually was going to download the ROM yesterday and came accross the same views. There are other files in their forum that originate from here.
My view is that if you know of a tool that can help your viewers, explain the tool and link it to the thread that you found the tool at. They did not do that. I do not read Vietnamese but some of the apps I saw there were just blatantly stolen from here.
@FARIA: I truely agree with you when you say that Microsoft has been real good with their attitude with Mobile ROMS. I love their attitude where they have actually been very cool with leaving developers and phone companies develop/change the ROMs according to needs. I truely believe and respect Microsoft for them asking the ROMs to be taken off the FTP and doing it politely. Like I said on my other post, Microsoft attitude has changed for the better and I Love it !
@ Faria, Molski,bepe, risidoro and others :
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You guys have been great. Your solutions have truely helped me understand the WM. Without you guy's help, my learning curve would have been way higher. Keep on Keeping on Guys! Any help in reasearching or other you might need, please feel free to contact me.

dont use PDAVIET
i will not use PDAVIET WM6 roms!!
@faria - thanks for everything sir. i will patiently wait for the right time until your ROM arrives. more power

Didn't Faria just rip the HTC X-Button app off and put his name in it?
The 2 programs are EXACTLY alike.

lol not to start suttim but yea gldrush would seem so

GldRush98 said:
Didn't Faria just rip the HTC X-Button app off and put his name in it?
The 2 programs are EXACTLY alike.
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Put it this way. All of the cooked ROM are ripped off one way or another because MS never released it to the public. Even the HCT camera app is from HTC. In the mod screen which Faria put his signature you will see below it is "copy right 2000 - 2006" by HTC
I don't understand why some of the Posters in here are taking the "moral" high ground and declare that they won't use PDAVIET ROM, they despite it, etc...
The ROM runs great. The included apps are freeware. The camera app, copyright by HTC but extracted by Faria is posted in this forum and available to any Joe. I don't really care who cooked the ROM. As long as it run fast and good, I will use it. The most important thing for me is a good ROM not who did the cooking.

is the keyboard issue fixed?.. and what about these issues with wm5 files have u noticed them? hows this rom running for u.

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is the keyboard issue fixed?.. and what about these issues with wm5 files have u noticed them? hows this rom running for u.
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The keyboard has been fixed and will work with various language with the correct code (check the thread). I am not sure what WM5 issued that has been raised here. Haven't seen or read any where yet.

is it a little bit faster then the clean one or much faster? i dont wanna go thru reinstalling all my stuff if its just a slight performance increase.. know what i mean?

i cant see pdaviet rom in ftp site!!!can anyone let me know in ftp site in which folder pdaviet rom is so tat atleast i can see rom thorugh my eyes that its been posted or not!!!after that i wanna give my feedback!!
in which folder pdaviet rom is and whats the name of rom!!

...u should maybe READ the other threads.. jesus christ

DO we need a SUBforum "Wing Mobile 6"

Hi there,
do we need a subforum for Wingusers only??
If so i would ask to create a new subforum...
Please vote for 1 week after that time I will delete this thread again....
Thanks
Daniel

it would be nice to have a area for wing specific threads, gets kinda confusing for what works with the wing and what doesnt

I remember as a newb it took me quite a while before I figured out that herald=atlas=wing and a subforum I think would help everybody out.

yess. took me so long to figure out its the same phone lol..
dam temobile and there renaming

I'd like to see a tmobile wing specific sub-forum as well.

Great idea. Being a newbie, it took me a while to get piece everything together....When I started out, I was on the other Wing forum and it took a while for me to figure out the whole Herald/P4350 thing...

pffft. No. There's not that much Wing-specific WM6 content here. It would be a waste and it would also look really empty...

papamopps said:
Hi there,
do we need a subforum for Wingusers only??
If so i would ask to create a new subforum...
Please vote for 1 week after that time I will delete this thread again....
Thanks
Daniel
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I think that it would be helpful for new folks getting started.

I voted yes, but since david made the cab to fix keyboard for wing users Im not gonna cook wing specific roms. And all my roms will be posted in Herald wm6

I have voted no. My reasoning is that the most notable difference between the two devices are minimal (the keyboard mapping) which has basically been resolved by David Duprat. Although it may be a bit more organized, I think it would be a waste since the majority of the questions are not device specific. I would hate to have to jump between forums looking for an answer that could apply to all herald like devices.
But hell I'm flexible.

hidavi said:
pffft. No. There's not that much Wing-specific WM6 content here. It would be a waste and it would also look really empty...
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Ditto.......we've obviously all found it, why do we need a new forum with duplicate info?
I think if any we should ad another section under Herald (and possibly for other devices as well) that is dedicated to new roms and kitchens. This would clean up the existing forums quite a bit.

JNasty said:
I have voted no. My reasoning is that the most notable difference between the two devices are minimal (the keyboard mapping) which has basically been resolved by David Duprat. Although it may be a bit more organized, I think it would be a waste since the majority of the questions are not device specific. I would hate to have to jump between forums looking for an answer that could apply to all herald like devices.
But hell I'm flexible.
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Agreed. There's no real reason. It's just going to slow down the production of new ideas since they'll be divided between two camps. It's the same device minus the keyboard driver.

ivanmmj said:
Agreed. There's no real reason. It's just going to slow down the production of new ideas since they'll be divided between two camps. It's the same device minus the keyboard driver.
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The more I think about it, the more I want to take my vote back. Add one more to no and subtract from yes.

I voted Yes, just for the sake of clarity, and organized structure.
And it spares us many questions like : ''Will this work on my Wing/Herald?" wich,
even with David Duprat's solution wil be asked several times more.
Although the Herald Mobile 6 forum is already full of mixed stuff, it doesn't really matter that much.
still I think it's better

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And it spares us many questions like : ''Will this work on my Wing/Herald?" wich,
even with David Duprat's solution wil be asked several times more.
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It works on both. The keyboard might not match, though...
But if they don't read the heading or the post that talks about it being a herald or wing item, why would they read the forum name? j/k

Personally, I think it would be ridiculous to open a new forum... Sure, it might make things "more organized" ... but its also going to be a pain in the ass... and besides the ROM, what other DEVICE SPECIFIC questions arise? NONE what so ever.
So you're going to split everyone and basically the only thing that's going to be happening in the new forum is a topic for Ivan's roms and a topic for ttran's roms...
I say keep it together, it makes more sense. I don't want to have to jump around yet another forum when the devices are the same, except for the keyboard problem, which has a solution now.

the only pro for me is - that noobs can find things more easyly.....
and at the moment 75% say yes (nearly 50 votes)

take it from a noob, it took me close to 2 weeks b4 i learned the herald was the wing p3 whatever it is... lol
im still totaly confused by all this
maybe instead of a new form just add WING to the title page
"Also known as: HTC P4350" is what it says
make it say
"Also known as: HTC P4350 / T-Mobile Wing"
maybe a well layed out sticky thred,
explaining the differances of each model of this phone
i run a few forusm myself and keeping things streamlined is a pain.
but this is a tricky one...

I agree with nyitalian718. Just rename the forum to Herald/Wing.
We'll be the only forum to have a non-HTC codename. hehe

I'm going with nyitalian718 and ivanmmj's opinion of adding all the known names of the Herald/Wing to the list just like in any other sub-forum.
It's not too much ask if a noob has to read some pages/stickies. All of us started like this and gain their knowledge.
At the end every major topic/problem has been dicussed at least once.
And the last thing I would recommend a new PDA owner is to void the warranty by flashing his device.
He should first get familiar with his PDA and then read the infos on this forum.
Papamopps and the core members of the Herald/Wing community did a great job on writing guides and tutorials on...let's say on everything

This forum...

Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...

i do agree on the 6.1 and 6.0 section like the hermes but thats about it. i love this forum. please go troll somewhere else.. like the middle of the road

I don't think there are enough 6.0 users left for seperate forums. Most ROM's are 6.1 now.
This forum is for software Development and software issues. I think this would be a good place for discussion of issues with 3rd party apps (e.g TomTom & iGO problems), where as the Kaiser general forum can be used for discussion of HTC / M$ problems and any other Kaiser issues (e.g. Breakages etc.).
My 2c's worth.

That's what this forum is for...

i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom

CUSTEL said:
That's what this forum is for...
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IMHO, the creation of new applications for all WM devices.
I see your point, not many applications will be developed specifically for the kaiser (except maybe Kaiser Tweak ).
I think the Dec & Hacking should be for proper Devs & Hacks writing new apps and this be used for Kaiser Software Issues. Kaiser Software Development does seem pretty redundant.
Again, just my speculation. Maybe the mods will explain this fully in time.
cuboosh said:
i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom
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Most of the Noobs, who are spamming the forums are using 6.1, so life would be quiet in the 6.0 forum

Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.
As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:
To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.
I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.
In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.
Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.
Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now
So lets hang loose and see what develops
Mike

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That's what this forum is for...
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lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that

I am still missing the newbie & locked thread section though

mikechannon said:
Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.
As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:
To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.
I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.
In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.
Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.
Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now
So lets hang loose and see what develops
Mike
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Then maybe someone should move all the crap request or sorry cab requests and other software questions, software gides, etc into this forum instead of the rom forum
like
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337900
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376436
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375100
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376415
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370208
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376331
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371503
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376358
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367410
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334759
and the list goes on

ljinsane said:
lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
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Get Aids...

ljinsane said:
lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
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CUSTEL said:
Get Aids...
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Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!

AllTheWay said:
Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!
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Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!

both of you need to jump off a bridge ;\ HOLDING HANDS THAT IS!

CUSTEL said:
Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!
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LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.
So you are contributing to the worthless post level.
...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.

This probably won't end the argument. But the point of separating upgrading etc. is for more organization. If I want to look at roms I look in the rom section. If I want to find a good keyboard I'll look in this section. Another good reason for more organization for this phone as opposed to other phones is that this phone's forum population is twice as large as the next biggest forum population.
I'll save my insults for when you reply to this.

CUSTEL said:
Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...
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Dude, what's wrong? You can't read?
Kaiser general: For general questions about the kaiser, and general issues with your kaiser.
Kaiser accessories: For discussion of accessories for the kaiser.
Kaiser software: For software development, software specific issues, cab files, programs, etc. etc.
Kaiser ROM development: For ROM development and ROM specific issues
Stop complaining. The seperation of categories as it is now will definitely assist with organizing this messy kaiser section.
And as for there being no other phone sections that are like this, well... THEY SHOULD BE. Organization is a good thing, and that's what this is.
Now if you think we need ADDITIONAL organization, by adding even more sub-categories to the current categories...... such as WM6 and WM6.1 subcategories under kaiser software... that would be cool. Otherwise... just stop.

AllTheWay said:
LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.
So you are contributing to the worthless post level.
...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.
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Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.
VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!

nimda0 said:
Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.
VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!
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The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.

thomassster said:
The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.
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One answer.... MOD'S!!!!!
Moderators use the many sections to keep the forums organized. I've meen a moderator of about a dozen different forums over the years.
Mods use their abilities to move threads that are in the wrong category, without deleting it. I'm telling you, more categories, and pleanty of sub-categories are very useful... and the mods can keep it all organized.

Fully Tested Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM for Touch HD

I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?

In before the abuse.
There are plenty of Windows Mobile 6.5 ROMs out there but unlike desktop operating sytems there are many many different versions.
Even official roms are going to have bugs, all we can do (as Touch HD users that will likely never get an official 6.5 rom) is find an active chefs whose work we like and give feedback on their releases...
...although even then I doubt we can "fully test" them.

7896zx said:
I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?
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agree with E Punk... the chefs test as best they can then it's up to us. when i hear "fully tested", i think of a high-level test strategy, detailed test plans (positive/negative tests), unit test, integration test, use case, debug-fix, user-acceptance-test, more debug-fix, etc., etc. that's simply a lot of work... once we get a hold of a ROM, load it, use it and report findings the chefs can review posts to look for consistent errors and those are generally fixed pretty fast. bottom line: if we wanna play, we have to be willing to accept that there will be bugs, behavior quirks or whatever you want to call it. the problem some of us have is knowing when to STOP flashing, lol!!!

i think that a version without major bugs will be out when htc releases official winmo6.5 rom updates for touch diamond2 and touch pro2, as those phones share 99% hardware with our hd

wm6.5 Downloads
Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?

nboutros said:
Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?
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With all due respect, I can only assume based on your post count that you are new to the HD, you need to read this forum more. Find the wiki and and read it. I was on this forum for 4 months before I flashed my first rom. Windows 6.5 is not meant for our HDs. A lot of the issues that people are complaining about may or may not affect you. I have no problem with daily use with most of the roms I read and read before and after I flash. I don't expect anyone else to do the dirty work for me but there will always be someone who gets there before me. All these posts are inundated with "does this feature work" or "in the last rom I could do this can this rom do it". I know it is a pain in the backside to flash you phone all time but that is why we are hear. If you are just wanting the perfect rom then you are probably in the wrong place.
I hope this does not come across to hard but I read this forum almost every day. The best advice I can give you is to read then read some more. Or you could end up with an expensive brick.

nboutros said:
Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?
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had myself a HD for a week, and with the help of XDA wiki flashed it (like about 50 times right now). Just read, and if you need any help just pm me

7896zx said:
I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?
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This isn't an attack.
You don't understand the extent to which a cook has control over most bugs (or doesn't). Most of the bugs you see in the ROMs you're looking at are way beyond the cooks control. Remember, they don't have the source code -- they can't fix the software. What they can do is look for updated versions from the developers that might have fixed a problem (but maybe introduce new ones). The biggest control chefs have is over things that can be controlled in the registry: things like visual layou, etc. In addition, some optimization options are available when packaging the ROM, however, I'd advise that you just understand that 6.5 is still an unreleased beta product (even if plans for release have been finalized) at this point.
Your friendly community (volunteer) chefs have done all they can to bring us interesting samples of this upcoming product. The bugs are not a result of lack of testing at all.
Rob

dhatw said:
With all due respect, I can only assume based on your post count that you are new to the HD, you need to read this forum more. Find the wiki and and read it. I was on this forum for 4 months before I flashed my first rom. Windows 6.5 is not meant for our HDs. A lot of the issues that people are complaining about may or may not affect you. I have no problem with daily use with most of the roms I read and read before and after I flash. I don't expect anyone else to do the dirty work for me but there will always be someone who gets there before me. All these posts are inundated with "does this feature work" or "in the last rom I could do this can this rom do it". I know it is a pain in the backside to flash you phone all time but that is why we are hear. If you are just wanting the perfect rom then you are probably in the wrong place.
I hope this does not come across to hard but I read this forum almost every day. The best advice I can give you is to read then read some more. Or you could end up with an expensive brick.
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Judging from how "4" and "u" are not words, and the way this unknown "youtube" guy has given him the impression that he's a representative of xda-dev, I'd say he's new the HD, and somewhat new to life -- maybe 14 or so years old.
Reminds me of the tone that AOL users had when they first came onto the "Internet". They used to angrily demand tech support for the Internet from ops in IRC as if those people worked for some "service" that they were paying for. Oh, those were the days.
Your advice was perfect.
Rob

Slightly going off orginal query topic which has already been answered well in my opinion by both Electronic Punk & cortez.i. Not much else needs to be discussed on that topic
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