Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...
i do agree on the 6.1 and 6.0 section like the hermes but thats about it. i love this forum. please go troll somewhere else.. like the middle of the road
I don't think there are enough 6.0 users left for seperate forums. Most ROM's are 6.1 now.
This forum is for software Development and software issues. I think this would be a good place for discussion of issues with 3rd party apps (e.g TomTom & iGO problems), where as the Kaiser general forum can be used for discussion of HTC / M$ problems and any other Kaiser issues (e.g. Breakages etc.).
My 2c's worth.
That's what this forum is for...
i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom
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IMHO, the creation of new applications for all WM devices.
I see your point, not many applications will be developed specifically for the kaiser (except maybe Kaiser Tweak ).
I think the Dec & Hacking should be for proper Devs & Hacks writing new apps and this be used for Kaiser Software Issues. Kaiser Software Development does seem pretty redundant.
Again, just my speculation. Maybe the mods will explain this fully in time.
cuboosh said:
i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom
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Most of the Noobs, who are spamming the forums are using 6.1, so life would be quiet in the 6.0 forum
Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.
As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:
To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.
I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.
In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.
Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.
Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now
So lets hang loose and see what develops
Mike
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lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
I am still missing the newbie & locked thread section though
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Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.
As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:
To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.
I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.
In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.
Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.
Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now
So lets hang loose and see what develops
Mike
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Then maybe someone should move all the crap request or sorry cab requests and other software questions, software gides, etc into this forum instead of the rom forum
like
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337900
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376436
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375100
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376415
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370208
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376331
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371503
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376358
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367410
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334759
and the list goes on
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lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
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Get Aids...
ljinsane said:
lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
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Get Aids...
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Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!
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Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!
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Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!
both of you need to jump off a bridge ;\ HOLDING HANDS THAT IS!
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Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!
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LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.
So you are contributing to the worthless post level.
...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.
This probably won't end the argument. But the point of separating upgrading etc. is for more organization. If I want to look at roms I look in the rom section. If I want to find a good keyboard I'll look in this section. Another good reason for more organization for this phone as opposed to other phones is that this phone's forum population is twice as large as the next biggest forum population.
I'll save my insults for when you reply to this.
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Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...
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Dude, what's wrong? You can't read?
Kaiser general: For general questions about the kaiser, and general issues with your kaiser.
Kaiser accessories: For discussion of accessories for the kaiser.
Kaiser software: For software development, software specific issues, cab files, programs, etc. etc.
Kaiser ROM development: For ROM development and ROM specific issues
Stop complaining. The seperation of categories as it is now will definitely assist with organizing this messy kaiser section.
And as for there being no other phone sections that are like this, well... THEY SHOULD BE. Organization is a good thing, and that's what this is.
Now if you think we need ADDITIONAL organization, by adding even more sub-categories to the current categories...... such as WM6 and WM6.1 subcategories under kaiser software... that would be cool. Otherwise... just stop.
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LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.
So you are contributing to the worthless post level.
...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.
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Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.
VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!
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Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.
VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!
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The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.
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The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.
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One answer.... MOD'S!!!!!
Moderators use the many sections to keep the forums organized. I've meen a moderator of about a dozen different forums over the years.
Mods use their abilities to move threads that are in the wrong category, without deleting it. I'm telling you, more categories, and pleanty of sub-categories are very useful... and the mods can keep it all organized.
Related
Guys,
As everyone who has read more than 3 posts here knows the Wizard Forums have become quite the mess lately
To help fix this situation, the Admins and Moderators have wisely decided to add a few Moderators seeking members who are active in the various threads.
I was honored to be one of the Wizard Members selected for this task.
Now I need your help. This forum is a community effort, it should reflect the needs and wishes of the community. That is where you come in.
I've already made Faria's "CID Unlocking for AKU 2.x Roms" Thread STICKY. Hopefully this will make it easier for newbie and veterans alike to find.
Please submit suggestions for other useful threads whose content should be made sticky.
I would like to eventually get this type of content added to the WIKI and then replace the stickies with a single closed thread that has links to the various sections of the new Wiza-Wiki.
Also, I know that we have a few members working on getting the Wiza-Wiki in shape, let's get behind them and support their efforts.
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Guys,
As everyone who has read more than 3 posts here knows the Wizard Forums have become quite the mess lately
To help fix this situation, the Admins and Moderators have wisely decided to add a few Moderators seeking members who are active in the various threads.
I was honored to be one of the Wizard Members selected for this task.
Now I need your help. This forum is a community effort, it should reflect the needs and wishes of the community. That is where you come in.
I've already made Faria's "CID Unlocking for AKU 2.x Roms" Thread STICKY. Hopefully this will make it easier for newbie and veterans alike to find.
Please submit suggestions for other useful threads whose content should be made sticky.
I would like to eventually get this type of content added to the WIKI and then replace the stickies with a single closed thread that has links to the various sections of the new Wiza-Wiki.
Also, I know that we have a few members working on getting the Wiza-Wiki in shape, let's get behind them and support their efforts.
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i have allredy updated wiki several times,i wish some others did.
congrats in the promotion.eheh
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dam ..im one now...ehe
congrats to the promotion! Wish you the best of luck in this monstrous task... And you can count me in to assist in any way I can
Well if you need any help let me know!!! I am here every day.
Good luck with this massive job.
I think a link to this post should be included as a sticky.
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Good luck with this massive job.
I think a link to this post should be included as a sticky.
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We're already up to 6 stickies, may more and the posts will start on page 2 ....
Good Luck it's great for the forum...
I'm sure it's gonna be a very nice place to be in..
Good luck to us all.
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We're already up to 6 stickies, may more and the posts will start on page 2 ....
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Why not simply gather up all the threads a newbie would need in order to SIM/CID-unlock, upgrade, etc into one sticky post and call it something like "all you need to know to upgrade your wizard"... Might help to clear up some confusion
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Why not simply gather up all the threads a newbie would need in order to SIM/CID-unlock, upgrade, etc into one sticky post and call it something like "all you need to know to upgrade your wizard"... Might help to clear up some confusion
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Perfect idea, let's get the threads collected. Then we can compile the info into a concise thread and close it so it doesn't become useless.
My suggestions:
1. The wiki - of course
2. Everything that's already sticky
3. changing splashscreens
4. faria's ext-rom guide
5. One of the "wizard wont start" threads - even though it's not really an upgrade issue it's seems to be a fairly reoccuring question.
I'm sure the list will grow but this was what I found after a quick runthrough.
Other than that one might also want to mention the meaning of WWE and the fact that you can change the language by changing rom etc
Pehaps also the fact that the standard user profile is set to only display threads 1 month old...
Basically just include every question ever asked by anyone who's ever had a problem
2 cents
My 2 cents... Let's not make mess in one separate thread cause it would be hard to find the answers in it. Let newcomers see what they are looking for reading the thread header. I suggest to collect threads worth to be sticky in separate subforum say Wizard FAQ where users can't write, just read. Reviewing the FAQ time to time move some threads into Wiza-Wiki.
And if one of those n00b threads would appear in any of Wizard forum we could send newcomers to FAQ first (say by PM) and then send a message to mods to close or kill the thread.
So the structure of the Wizard forum could be:
Wizard FAQ
Wizard
Wizard upgrading
Wizard accessories etc.
G4
Rom updates
I think, to stop some of the annoying threads, it would be wise to stop the uploading and/or posting password protected ROM's and have the whole forum commenting, guessing........ it's childish and could be handled by PM's or E-mails.
Yes, I'm jealous........ but it is not helping the forum.
How about this one:
* I have developed I great new ROM, which is unbelievable, should I release it or not ?*
Is also not helping.
Kyphur, I think you will be a great mod, but don't just look at the n00bs.
Also, too many Stickies is improving, try using folders in stead.
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I think, to stop some of the annoying threads, it would be wise to stop the uploading and/or posting password protected ROM's and have the whole forum commenting, guessing........ it's childish and could be handled by PM's or E-mails.
Yes, I'm jealous........ but it is not helping the forum.
How about this one:
* I have developed I great new ROM, which is unbelievable, should I release it or not ?*
Is also not helping.
Kyphur, I think you will be a great mod, but don't just look at the n00bs.
Also, too many Stickies is improving, try using folders in stead.
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It's NOT childish! Right now Jose is dealing only with me and it's better that way. I've uncovered a couple of bugs that we can fix before it hits the streets. Not quite ready for prime time, sorry. What's childish is the people that can't make a working ROM work because of themselves.
And be very careful of what you're jealous of. I've hard reset 2 phones today at least 10 times each, not counting going back and forth between two version of Jose's latest ROM on those two phones. We're talking 4 hours, maybe 5... and we're still working on it.
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It's NOT childish! Right now Jose is dealing only with me and it's better that way. I've uncovered a couple of bugs that we can fix before it hits the streets. Not quite ready for prime time, sorry. What's childish is the people that can't make a working ROM work because of themselves.
And be very careful of what you're jealous of. I've hard reset 2 phones today at least 10 times each, not counting going back and forth between two version of Jose's latest ROM on those two phones. We're talking 4 hours, maybe 5... and we're still working on it.
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Dr.P. I respect the work Jose, Molski and the others are doing, but that was not my point. My point was as you said "Right now Jose is dealing only with me and it's better that way.".
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Dr.P. I respect the work Jose, Molski and the others are doing, but that was not my point. My point was as you said "Right now Jose is dealing only with me and it's better that way.".
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I merely help in the initial bug testing. If this particular bug had been released the *****ing would have been legendary and why clog up our threads this early. As it turns out Faria just sent me what appears to be the fix.
I expect some more beta testers will be invited now, though that's not my call (but it is my recomendation)
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Why not simply gather up all the threads a newbie would need in order to SIM/CID-unlock, upgrade, etc into one sticky post and call it something like "all you need to know to upgrade your wizard"... Might help to clear up some confusion
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That would be good -- if it would work. Problem is that people just want to jump in with both feet asking questions WITHOUT reading first. That's been the problem all along and why the forum is such a mess now.
I'm SOOOOOO tired of the "I bricked my phone" threads and the "How do I unlock. . . " threads when all that information is already here several times over.
Just my 2 cents.
Is there any REAL way to 'make' someone read BEFORE posting?? That's the problem, as I see it.
Okay, we're getting a little off topic.
I think the point here is to address the most with the least.
By getting the CID Unlocking, Rom Flashing and other much sought after info stickied and closed threads then we can simply shut down new "I brincked my Phone" or What is CID unlocking threads by redirecting the OP to the stickied threads and then deleteing the new thread before it pollutes the already clogged threads.
After this pro-active approach is implimented, I will be more than happy to sift through the mounds of threads mercilessly deleting the old threads that are nothing but confusing and clogging to the search function.
It is impossible to have something that people will read before posting. I suggest that we have a section of FAQ by noobs, which other members can just post a single line "go read the wiki".
the best place to start with clean up is the wikki, i looked through the wizard wikki last night and its horrible.. there is even a post from someone on there looking for something specific with their email address, didnt even bother to post it in the boards..
BTW, im a mod now to i will start looking and cleaning up tonight when i get home!
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the best place to start with clean up is the wikki, i looked through the wizard wikki last night and its horrible.. there is even a post from someone on there looking for something specific with their email address, didnt even bother to post it in the boards..
BTW, im a mod now to i will start looking and cleaning up tonight when i get home!
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Thanks for joining the Mods, glad to have the help. Maybe as you get the Wiki fixed you can lock the pages so someone else can't just come behind and destroy your work. (Leave a link for them to PM the Mods if they have info to add).
Hi there,
do we need a subforum for Wingusers only??
If so i would ask to create a new subforum...
Please vote for 1 week after that time I will delete this thread again....
Thanks
Daniel
it would be nice to have a area for wing specific threads, gets kinda confusing for what works with the wing and what doesnt
I remember as a newb it took me quite a while before I figured out that herald=atlas=wing and a subforum I think would help everybody out.
yess. took me so long to figure out its the same phone lol..
dam temobile and there renaming
I'd like to see a tmobile wing specific sub-forum as well.
Great idea. Being a newbie, it took me a while to get piece everything together....When I started out, I was on the other Wing forum and it took a while for me to figure out the whole Herald/P4350 thing...
pffft. No. There's not that much Wing-specific WM6 content here. It would be a waste and it would also look really empty...
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Hi there,
do we need a subforum for Wingusers only??
If so i would ask to create a new subforum...
Please vote for 1 week after that time I will delete this thread again....
Thanks
Daniel
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I think that it would be helpful for new folks getting started.
I voted yes, but since david made the cab to fix keyboard for wing users Im not gonna cook wing specific roms. And all my roms will be posted in Herald wm6
I have voted no. My reasoning is that the most notable difference between the two devices are minimal (the keyboard mapping) which has basically been resolved by David Duprat. Although it may be a bit more organized, I think it would be a waste since the majority of the questions are not device specific. I would hate to have to jump between forums looking for an answer that could apply to all herald like devices.
But hell I'm flexible.
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pffft. No. There's not that much Wing-specific WM6 content here. It would be a waste and it would also look really empty...
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Ditto.......we've obviously all found it, why do we need a new forum with duplicate info?
I think if any we should ad another section under Herald (and possibly for other devices as well) that is dedicated to new roms and kitchens. This would clean up the existing forums quite a bit.
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I have voted no. My reasoning is that the most notable difference between the two devices are minimal (the keyboard mapping) which has basically been resolved by David Duprat. Although it may be a bit more organized, I think it would be a waste since the majority of the questions are not device specific. I would hate to have to jump between forums looking for an answer that could apply to all herald like devices.
But hell I'm flexible.
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Agreed. There's no real reason. It's just going to slow down the production of new ideas since they'll be divided between two camps. It's the same device minus the keyboard driver.
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Agreed. There's no real reason. It's just going to slow down the production of new ideas since they'll be divided between two camps. It's the same device minus the keyboard driver.
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The more I think about it, the more I want to take my vote back. Add one more to no and subtract from yes.
I voted Yes, just for the sake of clarity, and organized structure.
And it spares us many questions like : ''Will this work on my Wing/Herald?" wich,
even with David Duprat's solution wil be asked several times more.
Although the Herald Mobile 6 forum is already full of mixed stuff, it doesn't really matter that much.
still I think it's better
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And it spares us many questions like : ''Will this work on my Wing/Herald?" wich,
even with David Duprat's solution wil be asked several times more.
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It works on both. The keyboard might not match, though...
But if they don't read the heading or the post that talks about it being a herald or wing item, why would they read the forum name? j/k
Personally, I think it would be ridiculous to open a new forum... Sure, it might make things "more organized" ... but its also going to be a pain in the ass... and besides the ROM, what other DEVICE SPECIFIC questions arise? NONE what so ever.
So you're going to split everyone and basically the only thing that's going to be happening in the new forum is a topic for Ivan's roms and a topic for ttran's roms...
I say keep it together, it makes more sense. I don't want to have to jump around yet another forum when the devices are the same, except for the keyboard problem, which has a solution now.
the only pro for me is - that noobs can find things more easyly.....
and at the moment 75% say yes (nearly 50 votes)
take it from a noob, it took me close to 2 weeks b4 i learned the herald was the wing p3 whatever it is... lol
im still totaly confused by all this
maybe instead of a new form just add WING to the title page
"Also known as: HTC P4350" is what it says
make it say
"Also known as: HTC P4350 / T-Mobile Wing"
maybe a well layed out sticky thred,
explaining the differances of each model of this phone
i run a few forusm myself and keeping things streamlined is a pain.
but this is a tricky one...
I agree with nyitalian718. Just rename the forum to Herald/Wing.
We'll be the only forum to have a non-HTC codename. hehe
I'm going with nyitalian718 and ivanmmj's opinion of adding all the known names of the Herald/Wing to the list just like in any other sub-forum.
It's not too much ask if a noob has to read some pages/stickies. All of us started like this and gain their knowledge.
At the end every major topic/problem has been dicussed at least once.
And the last thing I would recommend a new PDA owner is to void the warranty by flashing his device.
He should first get familiar with his PDA and then read the infos on this forum.
Papamopps and the core members of the Herald/Wing community did a great job on writing guides and tutorials on...let's say on everything
Hey guys (and girls),
Hey i'm a semi-n00b and don't know how to update the version of Windows Mobile on my AT&T Tilt. Anyone can tell me how?? Thanks
Tek12x
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
search and read before you get flamed
You have to install hard-spl (in the Kaiser ROM Development section) by pof/olipro. Once you do that, find the rom you want, download it, and run the RUU.
It involves 2 paperclips and a wall socket, if you would like to proceed let me know.
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+1 well said....
Tek12x said:
Hey guys (and girls),
Hey i'm a semi-n00b and don't know how to update the version of Windows Mobile on my AT&T Tilt. Anyone can tell me how?? Thanks
Tek12x
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i'd think twice about a semi-noob...i think u've just upgraded urself to a full noob....
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I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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LOL...u cant be serious
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I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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rofl......no way!!!!
Tek12x said:
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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Then you searched the wrong forum. This one has over 1.5 MILLION Posts.
Tek12x said:
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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Maybe he searched for the text string "anything"???
Nope. I tried that and got...
Results 1 - 10 of about 65,400 from forum.xda-developers.com for "anything". (0.22 seconds)
Maybe he (or she) should try this sticky at the top of the Kaiser General page on searching...
Kaiser and other Searches
From noob to noob
I think maybe he meant an official microsoft upgrade, not a "cooked rom". Microsoft has not realeased an upgrade to Windows Mobile Pro 6.0 for the tilt if that is what you meant . The only 6.1's that people are talking about are custom roms.
i don't think denco most of us here rely on "oem" official upgrades .. none the less searching and reading than searching some more and than some more reading and than memorizing what you have read is a MUST >.. so happy reading.
What?
While getting chastized by someone who joined "our forum" less than a month ago is appealing to people, it was a simple question that I thought got misunderstood. So I decided to end the thread with a simple answer, because I'm sure people have other things to do. Apparently not. I have had my Tilt since 10/07 and know it inside and out mostly from reading this forum since 10/07, and have never felt the need for a cooked rom. Screw with the interface yes, rom no need. Interesting poll question though. Out of 681,176 members on this site how many have oem roms and how many have custom roms? I know the most vocal have custom roms ,but 600000 is a lot of people
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I think maybe he meant an official microsoft upgrade, not a "cooked rom". Microsoft has not realeased an upgrade to Windows Mobile Pro 6.0 for the tilt if that is what you meant . The only 6.1's that people are talking about are custom roms.
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Maybe, However I don't think a developers/enthusiasts forum is the best place to ask.
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While getting chastized by someone who joined "our forum" less than a month ago is appealing to people, it was a simple question that I thought got misunderstood. So I decided to end the thread with a simple answer, because I'm sure people have other things to do. Apparently not. I have had my Tilt since 10/07 and know it inside and out mostly from reading this forum since 10/07, and have never felt the need for a cooked rom. Screw with the interface yes, rom no need. Interesting poll question though. Out of 681,176 members on this site how many have oem roms and how many have custom roms? I know the most vocal have custom roms ,but 600000 is a lot of people
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So he feels a sense of belonging after a few weeks nothing wrong with that. Also a forum is not defined by its number of members, but its number of active members and the mission statement made by the Founders.
Mission Statement:
Welcome to xda-developers.com
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Since we develop software for it, we need information, and nobody seemed eager or ready to give us what we needed. So we 'reverse-engineered' the devices, found a lot of information, and shared it with the world. But as our site grew we realised that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from a lack of support. They started using the xda-developers forum to communicate and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developer forum.
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To all the "feel-good" and "Rambo" flamers of noobs....all I can say is shame on you.
You make people feel as welcome as a boil on one's ass.
Get a life all of you. This is not about "SEARCH" all the time. If you have the time to give a shmarmy reply, then you have the time to be helpful. If not, then perhaps you should just ignore requests for help for those that "GASP" don't "search"....OH MY GOODNESS!!!
I shake my head with disbelief at the overt hostility to simple questions.
Are you guys always like this??? Don't you get smacked every now and then? You need to....
MACkjam said:
To all the "feel-good" and "Rambo" flamers of noobs....all I can say is shame on you.
You make people feel as welcome as a boil on one's ass.
Get a life all of you. This is not about "SEARCH" all the time. If you have the time to give a shmarmy reply, then you have the time to be helpful. If not, then perhaps you should just ignore requests for help for those that "GASP" don't "search"....OH MY GOODNESS!!!
I shake my head with disbelief at the overt hostility to simple questions.
Are you guys always like this??? Don't you get smacked every now and then? You need to....
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Totally agree. No one wants thread jumping or serial threaders or how do I turn on my phone? But it seemed like a simple question and the " noob " got totally flamed for it. Jimmy, you pointed out that maybe a developers/enthusiast site is not the place for simple questions, but then you go and point out the mission statement to me that says that "as our site grew we realized that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from lack of support". " and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developers forum." A bit of a contradiction , which is it a snotty developers forum, like Jimmy suggests in the first half of his post ( I believe there already is a section of this forum for development and hacking ideas that is off limits to the common folk), or a users forum like the mission statement suggests in the second half of his post? I can live with either one.
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Totally agree. No one wants thread jumping or serial threaders or how do I turn on my phone? But it seemed like a simple question and the " noob " got totally flamed for it. Jimmy, you pointed out that maybe a developers/enthusiast site is not the place for simple questions, but then you go and point out the mission statement to me that says that "as our site grew we realized that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from lack of support". " and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developers forum." A bit of a contradiction , which is it a snotty developers forum, like Jimmy suggests in the first half of his post ( I believe there already is a section of this forum for development and hacking ideas that is off limits to the common folk), or a users forum like the mission statement suggests in the second half of his post? I can live with either one.
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So you're telling me that having the inability to search is perfectly acceptable?
Google is arguably the best search engine around, and XDA uses it for site searches. Do you go to Google's home page, and then without typing anything in the search box, just give up?
It ultimately comes down to the rules of the forum; one of which included searching before creating threads. If someone cannot follow a few simple rules, then they have bigger issues then not knowing how to install a ROM on their phone.
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This is not about "SEARCH" all the time. If you have the time to give a shmarmy reply, then you have the time to be helpful. If not, then perhaps you should just ignore requests for help for those that "GASP" don't "search"....OH MY GOODNESS!!!
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well...if the OP..not necessarily this one but all others too...if they have the time to post this question which may have been posted and asked several million times...then they have the time to search and find out for themselves..thats why the search button is there..
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Don't you get smacked every now and then? You need to....
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Those that have tried have never been back for a second attempt. Of that, you can be sure.
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So you're telling me that having the inability to search is perfectly acceptable?
Google is arguably the best search engine around, and XDA uses it for site searches. Do you go to Google's home page, and then without typing anything in the search box, just give up?
It ultimately comes down to the rules of the forum; one of which included searching before creating threads. If someone cannot follow a few simple rules, then they have bigger issues then not knowing how to install a ROM on their phone.
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My problem is not with reminding people to search,some of my answers to posts have also included gentle reminders to search followed by helpful ( I hope ) answers. My problem is with flaming people before clarifying the question. I "did" a forum search on an MS upgrade for 6.0 on a TILT before I decided to speak up and found nothing pertaining to the tilt. " How do you install Windows Mobile 6.1 on a Tilt? " " There is no 6.1 yet. " How hard is that? I have been programming for 33 yrs, I started out on a key punch terminal and then fed hundreds of punch cards into a reel to reel magnetic tape " processor " the size of most people's living rooms. My first in a long line of PDAs and smart phones, was an Apple Newton. I may be an idiot, but not from lack of experience. Exactly when did people get so full of themselves. But this is not " my " forum so I guess I should just butt out.
MACkjam said:
To all the "feel-good" and "Rambo" flamers of noobs....all I can say is shame on you.
You make people feel as welcome as a boil on one's ass.
Get a life all of you. This is not about "SEARCH" all the time. If you have the time to give a shmarmy reply, then you have the time to be helpful. If not, then perhaps you should just ignore requests for help for those that "GASP" don't "search"....OH MY GOODNESS!!!
I shake my head with disbelief at the overt hostility to simple questions.
Are you guys always like this??? Don't you get smacked every now and then? You need to....
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Shame on me? Shame on you sir. This forum is filled with very usefull and important information. People just need to look for it. If we allow every Tom, ****, and Bob, to post threads willy-nilly without remand or maintaining some flow. The forum become deluted with crap, the information will be impossible to find. And our key smart people will leave. Then we might as well change the Topic of this forum to "Talking about the OC."
The Mods have said their piece on this, I personally have been following their wishes. I recommend everyone else does too.
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Totally agree. No one wants thread jumping or serial threaders or how do I turn on my phone? But it seemed like a simple question and the " noob " got totally flamed for it. Jimmy, you pointed out that maybe a developers/enthusiast site is not the place for simple questions, but then you go and point out the mission statement to me that says that "as our site grew we realized that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from lack of support". " and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developers forum." A bit of a contradiction , which is it a snotty developers forum, like Jimmy suggests in the first half of his post ( I believe there already is a section of this forum for development and hacking ideas that is off limits to the common folk), or a users forum like the mission statement suggests in the second half of his post? I can live with either one.
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Maybe I should have been more clear. I know this is a Users Forum. Given the Typical Popular Topics I might say "Power User." Still The Mission Statement put forth by the Founders says users forum, not Free Technical Support Forum. Giving someone some Support and doing the researchfor them without thanks at two totally separate things. You need to learn to have a little thicker skin. I didn't say Snotty Developers Forum.
Fine you know what, you want to be an ass about all this, since I appear to be the only one of this opinion. That opinion of use "search" first, and start a new thread as a last resort. Here you go then....
Tek12x said:
Hey guys (and girls),
Hey i'm a semi-n00b and don't know how to update the version of Windows Mobile on my AT&T Tilt. Anyone can tell me how?? Thanks
Tek12x
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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Its Really Quite Easy. Place HardSPL on your device. Heres the thread for it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Then look through here to find a Windows Mobile 6.1 Based Custom ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
If you are looking for the Offical Windows Mobile 6.1 from Microsoft, I'm not sure. Maybe you should check their website. http://www.microsoft.com
ROMS AND OPINIONS (if you care)
Everytime this type of question is mentioned and discussed is pointless and has no pertinent use of obtaining any real information as each ROM is cooked to different needs for different cooks. The only way to find out which ROM is best for you is to read each Cook's thread and all the posts of what people are talking about and to try each ROM for yourself. And if none of the ROMs are what you're looking for then the only true way to satisfy your needs is to stop being a customer and become a chef yourself and cook up the ROM the way you like it.
It doesn't take long to flash your phone and play with it for a bit. If you don't like it then flash it with a different ROM and try that out. The longest time you'll spend is most likely downloading the ROMs. So I suggest to start downloading all the ROMs you'd like to try and save the to your HD and the just start loading a ROM on to your phone until you find one that you like.
And PLEASE do not post bugs or problems with the ROMs until you've read all the posts in that ROMs thread as it's most likely been mentioned and stated how to correct the problem. i.e. SMS not working in some ROMs.
And the first page of each Cook's ROM threads state what they've done and usually post pictures of the ROMs so you have an idea of what you're tasting. So READ and enjoy!
Yet another one of these threads?!?
you should read the wiki and the stickies at the top of the forums...
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
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That's why I replied and said to go to a cook's ROM and read the entire thread of what other users have posted! Don't expect a free handout here. You have to read to learn.
yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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christ... do you need to bold and highlight everything?
there's no 1 rom that'll suit all users / we all have different preferences
"overview are already given by the ROM author/cook in their own respect threads"...
if you you cant be bothered to read and try/error yourself then i'm sorry, no one here can help you...
stick with the official rom you're using now... this would cause you the least issues...
otherwise go get an iphone/nokia
well, im always in good mood on helping new guys (coz im new and i know how hard is to jump in a so technical forum without any help), and personally i find comments like "tehres a lot of threads like this...bla bla", very unuseful...better to not answer at all instead of answering without giving informations...
anyway, as stated before, there is a lot of ROMs here, so search the one that will fit better your personality and don't bother ...
(jk)
is best to know what kind of improvements you'r searching.
Most of the info are coded in the title of the thread , so you can speed up a bit your research.
For example : [25.01.09] is the release date, this become useful when you need to track a ROM to see if there is some new updates, or just to locate the ROM in the time...
[WM.6.5.3] : it shows the OS (Windows Mobile 6.5.3) that will replace your old, lazy Windows Mobile 6.1, installed in all the official ROMs.
So if you are searching for a ROM including WiMo 6.5 or Android etc... this will be the code that should shine on your eyes.
[Manila.....] it means that the User Interface Manila (tipical in HTC products like Diamond, HD etc) was ported in the device, so you will get a pretty new user interface that you can also use like a panel instead of having it as default interface.
Others criteria can be referred to the pureness of a ROM or declare what kind of customizations were made by the cook , so a [WM.6.5 PURE] means that you will find ONLY the improvement of WM6.5.
Others are like brands, recalling the name of the cook, or the name of a "famous" ROM that has been changed in several aspect from the original but that will keep the feeling of the original one (like Touch-IT, SEX1, Un-Off series)...
Some others will refer to a specific HTC phone [LEO] or [TOPAZ], this means that the ROM were basically ported from an HTC device to another, or from another device to our X1 (see X2 ROMS) ...
Or you can find language indications [ITA] or [ENG] or [SWE] etc etc...
But first you need to know what you are searching for ...
For sure switching to WM6.5 is a huge change (imho) , avoiding Manila will save a lot of RAM, searching for some X2 stuff will give you some eye candy etc etc...
personally i installed on first days of December the SEX1 Pure WM 6.5 ROM from gtrab... amazing...simply amazing... very fast and bug free... it gave additional months of life to my X1.
On how to install a custom ROM (pretty different from updating ROM via SEUS) there is 2 sticky threads in this forum, you should learn how to do it by yourself...so don't ask about this...
Enjoy your X1 !
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
yaboistarr said:
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
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How are any of the posts that Senior members like myself have posted are useless? You can't really experience a cook's ROM by asking other people. What someone might like might not be what's best for you. You really need to learn more about how this forum works. This isn't your typical forum where you can ask and get. This is a forum where you learn from experience, hence "Devolopers" in the title.
And the sharing of "warez" is not allowed! So you obviously have a lot of learning and reading to do. First off, start with the stickies on the main pages.
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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And if you want other users opinions about ROMs then go to the specific ROM threads and READ!
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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lots people stop cooking X1 rom nowaday in this forum, it seems really sad, like 1-2 new rom every week
the best rom i can say in term of speed, stable, responsive would be wildchild 6.1 rom almost a year ago, its download likes only 60-70mb though, nothing install and you can install whatever you want after then
vietdoan20062006
yaboistarr said:
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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Not overload link and you start a new thread...??? Is people like you who over load
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
fizu said:
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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There's always time to learn...I own my own business working ungodly hours a week and I manage to find time to get on the forums to read/download ROMs. I was being straight forward about my approach, but I wasn't being rude at all. I can prove posts to where I'm rude. But for someone who's wanting to flash ROMs is willing to read to flash their phone, but not willing to read and find out what each cook has specifically done to their ROMs and asking for opinions instead is just flat out lazy.
mattmarion said:
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
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The OP is willing to read about how flash his phone, but not willing to read what each ROM is about? I could share my experiences, but if you want to know what I think then go to each ROM specific thread and read what I've written! And if you're too lazy to really read the entire thread and find out what the ROM is really about because of the "I don't have time" excuse then just read the first page of each cook's ROM. There's almost always pictures, change logs, updates, and a good general wealth of information of what that ROM is about.
There should be no reason for threads to be started about which ROM is best for me as it's been stated a few times now that basically it's "To Each and Their Own!" This forum is about research and development. RESEARCH!
@im packing
really how you can judge the time of other people?
teach me that...please !
How can you say that the statement "i don't have time" is just an excuse and "help me" is lazyness...
Im not talking about how many hours you work weekly or daily....you are supposed to work during your job time and not learn xda dev fora... im talking about people that once finished the working time may have 1 or 2 hours to reach their houses and then deal with kids, wife, dogs, house management etc etc etc... to fall destroyed on their beds and wake up 5 hours later to restart again and again...
they don't have the right to acces this forum knowledge to have a better device?
or they don't deserve simply your patience and attention...?
explain me...
while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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believe me ...he is not arrogant if you try to maintain the same level with him
Hi Everyone,
We've received some requests to split this forum into a ROM Development section (WM) and an Android ROM Development section, please let us know what you think by voting. Feel free to post any additional comments in this thread.
Thanks in advance!
Flar
Site admin
I've stickied this till poll is closed
Right now there doesn't seem to be a ton of Android threads, but I imagine that will increase as it is perfected. As the number of threads increase there will start to be more and more confusion.
Ways to alleviate the confusion is by separating the threads or by people standardizing their thread titles. As it is right now there's enough variation in thread titles to make it a little confusing to figure out what ROM is what. Although I have to admit that cooks are getting much better over time with this process thankfully.
If thread titles were standardized I don't think there would be a need for a separation of ROMs really, although it wouldn't hurt besides the pain to moderators that have to monitor and move threads.
[ROM or KITCHEN][Languages (WWE, etc)][ROM type (WM 6.1, WM 6.5, Android)][Path-optional (28014)][ROM name and version (Flashmore V2.2)][Special key points (Sense 2.5, Manila 2.1, etc.)][Date (29-Jan-2010)]
Just as an example, maybe order of things should be different such as the date being second or something. But the order should then be standardized (including format of Date for instance DD-MMM-YYYY to avoid confusing among countries that do MM-DD-YYYY instead) and all cooks should follow this without adding all sorts of other advertising and special symbols, etc. The title should tell users exactly what the ROM is and only that. The message body is where you can make things fancy and advertise other things.
sschrupp said:
Right now there doesn't seem to be a ton of Android threads, but I imagine that will increase as it is perfected. As the number of threads increase there will start to be more and more confusion.
Ways to alleviate the confusion is by separating the threads or by people standardizing their thread titles. As it is right now there's enough variation in thread titles to make it a little confusing to figure out what ROM is what. Although I have to admit that cooks are getting much better over time with this process thankfully.
If thread titles were standardized I don't think there would be a need for a separation of ROMs really, although it wouldn't hurt besides the pain to moderators that have to monitor and move threads.
[ROM or KITCHEN][Languages (WWE, etc)][ROM type (WM 6.1, WM 6.5, Android)][Path-optional (28014)][ROM name and version (Flashmore V2.2)][Special key points (Sense 2.5, Manila 2.1, etc.)][Date (29-Jan-2010)]
Just as an example, maybe order of things should be different such as the date being second or something. But the order should then be standardized (including format of Date for instance DD-MMM-YYYY to avoid confusing among countries that do MM-DD-YYYY instead) and all cooks should follow this without adding all sorts of other advertising and special symbols, etc. The title should tell users exactly what the ROM is and only that. The message body is where you can make things fancy and advertise other things.
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I much as I agree with your recommendations, most if not all have already been mentioned in first post of this thread. We just need all chefs/devs to follow it
Hi Flar,
I think admins should split the forums at least by WM6.X and Android sections, and create a new section for WM7 in the future easily.
I think a split is a great idea. It's way to busy to find what you need.
A split between 6.1, 6.5, 7 (LOL) and Android would really clean things up.
Waste of time...
You can split it and get it lovely and tidy and 48 hours later, folks will ruin it...
I can't stand the mess, but I learn to live with it... and I think most folks do.
You can post rules, explain everything in plain English, tattoo it on their heads, and still "can you help me with my iphone?" appears.
Admit defeat already! it's like a wife... surrender to it for an easy life
I voted yes, because i think it helps to keep things clear.
But i don't know if there are actually enough androids developers and users to keep it going.
So i would say split up, and see what happens. If it turns out to be a bad idea then change it back
would reccomend this if android get more useable - but doesn't seem to be far...
But for now i'd like to see a "rom release" section and one for "rom related questions" - so it just gets a bit more useable.
best would be in my oppinion:
Touch HD:
- WM ROM release
----> here every dev opens 2 threads for his ROM - 1 for "release,bugtracker,solutions" and another for "general questions,thanks,..."
- WM ROM questions
----> all general questions wich are currently here in ROM section (Radio,SPL,and the rest)
- ANRDIOD (perhaps also split later)
----> all android related stuff
would love to see this - would make if much more readable.
Especialy the 2 thread thing for ROMs would save much time in my opinion (if used right ...)
greetings
Logicalstep said:
I think a split is a great idea. It's way to busy to find what you need.
A split between 6.1, 6.5, 7 (LOL) and Android would really clean things up.
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Organization is key in any website. More categories will improve search times and should create better overall experience if done right. With the onset of Windows 7 coming which may have completely different set of instructions like Android, they certainly required there own place. But I don't believe 6.1, 6.5 should be separated as the stickies serve all these Roms the same.
Just my thoughts..
I think that we have to split in:
1. questions and solutions (WM and android)
2. ROM's from ROM builders
Ya I Agree too... we should have split WM and Android threads so that it is much organised and easy access
+1 for splitting.
Right now there are 4-5 threads about Android, which isn't much, but they're just going to increase as it is perfected and made into a flashable ROM.
My thoughts:
Personally I think the splitting itself is a good idea, it helps the users to track of the OS that they want to use or want to use.
But come to think of it, Android OS isn't much in-need to have its own sub-category. It cannot even stand on itself as ROM yet. It still works on WiMo as background.
I disagree with the suggestion to split into WiMo 6.1, 6.5, 6.5.x, 7 or whatever else are coming out. It's definitely unnecessary and the chefs should state the version on the title of the thread, and they're doing it alright. It's also to keep members from starting new threads at the wrong sections. If we split into different WiMo versions, the next demand we can expect is that to split in each section into the-good-old TF3D, Manila 2.1, Sense 2.1, Sense 2.5 etc.
Furthermore, I think the admins are doing great jobs in trying to keep things in good shape, especially Fallen Spartan; we can see him closing down unnecessary/solved threads everyday. They're not earning money from this and they have their own lives to deal with each day, I don't think we want to burden them more by having so many sub-categories to look after, no? It's like children, the more you have, the harder for you to look after.
So I think it's unnecessary to split now. In the future when Android is ready to stand on its own, we can consider back this issue, but now is absolute unnecessary.
I think the forum should be split up and sub-splits applied within the splits...eh ROMs, How to do stuff etc.....ROMs then subsplits into Android and Blackstone and further down ( sub - sub split!) Blackstone etc etc. Is subsplit a word?
I especially would like WM split into 6.1 and 6.5 forums
zyonuf79 said:
I especially would like WM split into 6.1 and 6.5 forums
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+1, it would be great!
pinx said:
+1, it would be great!
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i agree to it as well. there arent much threads related to Android at this point. organised(its a wishful thinking i kno)6.1 and 6.5 sub forums will b a gr8 change
In support
I am in support of spliting the forum.....as suggested by other, it will keep the forum organised.....
I think separate categories/sub categories are definitely needed as it stands most forums on this site are a complete and utter mess and really disorganized.
If you was to have a simple category under each mobile device for roms/os versions etc it would organize things allot better here is a quick example..
Blackstone-->ROMS----WM
------>6.1
------>6.5
----Android
-------xxxx
-------xxxx
Obviously that is just a quick example but the current way of just chucking everything in one thread just doesn't work and is a ball-ache trying sort though when specifically looking for a 6.5 or a 6.1 rom. It would be nice to browse a version specific forum.
Also if the admins are not keen on having more subcategories why not just enforce some kind of uniform tagging rule for the releases that way we could have all the WM in one category and they will be clearly and uniformly tagged because at the moment it is really random and hard to follow, If all releases where tagged in same way it would make searching for specific rom versions/builds etc much more easily.