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Why are people on this forum so damn temperamental?

I have been reading through alot of posts here over the last couple weeks.
There seems to be a lot of bickering, pointless debate, insults and flaming going on here. (I know am probably starting more with this post, but that is why I chose the off-topic forum) I know you get it on all internet forums, but this one seems to be worse than most.
I actually had someone pm me on something recently, I believe, because he was too afraid to make a post asking for help. I dont blame him. If someone here asks a question that may or may not have been asked months ago (therefore buried by 10 pages of more current posts) he gets flamed. I also notice he asks another newbie like me, instead of someone with a lot of posts, because they seem to be the most touchy.
And I know, that is why there is a search. But you know, search tools on forums like this are a joke. You are going to get a return of 1000's of posts, 99% of which have nothing to do with what you are looking for. And for me at least, half the time when I search, and I am rewarded with a blank page (in both mozilla and IE).
Just wanted report on what I see here. Maybe others see it differently.

Jimmy - not to validate your argument, but I disagree with you!
Seriously, I respond to so many posts, probably even unnecessarily so sometimes, just because I like the community. The vast majority of us are here because we enjoy the community and are like-minded gadget freaks.
You do get some flaming, some *****ing, some idiots, some spam, some divas. But the vast majority, in my experience, are very nice, helpful and supportive of newbies. We were all one once, and I hope that I'd rather say nothing then something unhelpful.
Anyone can PM or email me any time. I can't respond immediately, but I will try to respond.
The usual "use the search, Luke", response is normally only fired out when you've got a very new member blurting out things like "How do I switch the phone off?". My reasoning there is, teach a man to fish, he'll help himself a lot more then just filling his gullet with answers. But, for valid, non knee jerk questions, most people will try to help.
I think it's better no one answers if they don't know, and if they don't, feel free to bump. But don't bump twice in 5 mins - "COME ON, DOESN'T ANYBODY
KNOW HOW TO SORT MY CONTACTS BY FIRST NAME??!?!?!??!" is not a way to make friends with me.
Anyway, I could rant all day, but I think the board generally speaks for itself. Most are helpful, most are nice, most are here because we want to be here.
You get some bad posts, but seriously, in my year on the board, I've only had two encounters that caused me to contemplate leaving...
V
PS this was an interesting thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329718#329718

I know it is not everyone, my subject should not have been why are people so temperamental, it should have been why are SOME people so temperamental.
I agree with you, if it is a repetive question, just dont answer. I just think it is bad when people are pm'ing rather than posting because they are afraid.

vijay555 said:
You get some bad posts, but seriously, in my year on the board, I've only had two encounters that caused me to contemplate leaving...
V
PS this was an interesting thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329718#329718
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I gotta' agree with you on that thread, vijay. Those pics (the original ones) NEVER should have been posted. They provoked a LOT of ire from users and flaming, too. There's no room for politics on this forum. It's not here for that purpose and I felt like that was where that thread was heading. Even the world news networks don't show images THAT graphic!! Thanks for deleting them and putting that thread back "on course".

whos temperamental, you [email protected]@rd!
STFU! you think your so [email protected] smart, coming here and reading entries and you probably dont know your @ss froma hole in the ground when it comes to pdas....
whos says people here are temperamental?

dont know your @ss froma hole in the ground
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Gosh, in countries where you actually poo straight into a hole in the ground, this might cause some rather embarrassing situations!
V

maybe i hang out in the wrong forums or my level of what is hostile is wayy different from yours
but this is one of the most friendly forums i come in
or have ever come in (and thats a great deal)
i dont see telling people to use search and the likes to be hostile
personal attacks is hostile

Dont know what the problem is, sure once in a while people get pointed to search, wiki or spend some time reading. And yes once in awhile there are no flowers in that reply.
Sure even I have had the balls to move a post out of news and tell the guy to post in the correct, forum, read wiki and use search. It pisses of our other users who think news is news and not news being somebody asking how do I upgrade my device.
I have seen a lot of threads, a few things I did not like to see, a few I have killed. I have seen nice, not so nice and far form nice askers and also answerres.
In general you get a lot more help here than on other places (yes I have had to look other places).
But hell its a free word, if anybody thinks this site is not good to or for them, well its a click of the mouse to solve that problem.
Mean while will I point a user to the answer of his question which in fact is the same question in 4 different sections. Hum let me think about that one.

Personally I find most people on the forum very friendly. You always get a few who are a bit temperamental but that is life. But on the whole this would have to be the most helpful and friendly forum around.

I will have to agree and disagree with this.. i havent been a member that long and i did take the smart route, i actually read this board over and from top to bottom for months before making a single post, what stopped me from making a post right away was most senior people's complaints about newbs not searching, etc.. so i did just that searched and read... and here i am 3 months later of my first post and have made well over 500 now.. (i have point to all of this somewhere here ) This site can be a little confusing to newbs, but most of the confusion comes from other newbs making the same posts over and over again, you might search for one thing and come up with 50 posts of the same problem, however 49 of them are flames telling them to search to find the answer... and this is where it also gets frustrating for the senior people, people who have already answered this once before causing the temperamental flames.. Now i do try to answer what i can, we were all newbs once and i still consider myself one and i answer many pm's of people who are afraid to be flamed (which if they would have searched they would have found the answer) but im also not their personal wiki... ok, im done, oh yeah, vote for me for president

I agree with jimmy hauser
I came here from treocentral, which was much more supportive on average. Sure, there are some good-spirited and helpful people here, but it is overall much more antagonistic than treocentral.
As a practical matter, the search engine isn't very good and the recent upgrade of the forum didn't make it easier. It took me a few weeks to think of googling with the site:xda-developers.com, identifying the appropriate thread and then searching for that specific threads. Otherwise, one gets too much. Yes, we all find it annoying when someone starts a new thread that has already been answered fifty times, but on the other hand, there are pretty many 20+ page threads. It might be helpful to suggest to someone what they should have searched for, and try the search to see if it works. Just today I was trying to find the registry tweak that would eliminate the roaming indicator, but I couldn't remember what the thing did, so it took forever to find the registry tweak, and this for something I knew I had read on the board at some point in the past.
Here is what I think is actually better than most sites: the wiki. The wikis are uniformly high quality and some people have written fabulous how-tos.
My pet theory is that it is windows at fault. Things like activesync being so hilariously dysfunctional and the X meaning minimize on the PPC cause tempers to rise just a little too easily. Palm users are happier.
On the other hand, without XDA-developers, my MDA would have been approximately useless. The list of problems that were answered, either directly or indirectly, here is huge. Everything from ROM upgrades to TodayAgenda to 2.47 radio rom to wifi settings to wm5newmenu, I got them here. It is a wonderful resource.

I came here from esato, former sony ericsson user ditched it with the p990
if you really want to get flamed say I didn't like the p990 on esato or god forbid the tytn is better than it (I had both got rid of the p990) basically compare anything or say anything is better than a S.E. phone and you'll get your diehard fanboys by the dozens.
anyways some people get flamed here beacuse they are total noobs who don't bother to read anything, I agree they shouldn't get flamed that bad but they should do a little reading, there is a wealth of information in these forums,
as for asking I try to reply to anyone who asks something I know and if anybody needs anything please feel free to pm me I will answer when I can, although posting a forum gives more views as well as future reference for future noobs

I think this site provides so much useful information and it has kept many devices going when they would have gone in the bin. It has allowed a lot of older devices to still have the current operating system. I think half the time people have got home from work and are on a short fuse any way and any little thing pushes them over the edge and that is what causes the bickering. Just my thoughts on the matter.

darky said:
anyways some people get flamed here beacuse they are total noobs who don't bother to read anything, I agree they shouldn't get flamed that bad but they should do a little reading, there is a wealth of information in these forums,
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I'm not sure if I'm the "temperamental" one here, but yes, that is a very annoying thing. They act as if the members here are google, and they just type in a search sentence "Nood here, please give me a clear, step-by-step, easy to flash my ROM", click a button, and you get the answer. Not to mentioned the lack of information they provide, which can be potentially harmful to them consider they don't even know which ROM to get. And when things go wrong, they will post a new thread with the title "Pleeeeaazzz help".
The another annoying thing is the lack of information. Some members will post problems with so little information that they delay the solution to their very own questions, and annoying for the helpers. Eg. "I downloaded the flash software and ROM, but now the phone won't start, please help". Then, you try to be helpful and suggest "Why don't you try program X?". Later, you will get the answer "Oh, I've already tried that, won't work. Any other suggestion?" .. I will be like.. why don't you said so in your first post? ggrrrr..
Anyway, now I've developed an habbit of ignoring such posts. Those (a) Step by step guide for total nood (b) Thread with Pleeazzz help title (c) Post with lack of information. This will make me.. less "temperamental", I guess.
Anyway, as for the Wiki, I still thinks there are not enough information in the Wiki, such that it makes members difficult to point noobs to simple/common tasks. And, it also makes the non-noobs (the oldies ) going around the search function to answer something that they've forgot. So, for those who are happy to help others, please contribute yourself to the Wiki. Personally, I think it is much more influential to get one thing onto the Wiki than answering 10 PMs. And you get to point them to the Wiki if the same problem surfaced.
I'm temperamental beware

Well I remember when I got my MDAIII back over a year ago and came across this site thanks to google. So like a noob that I was and in many areas still our I posted one of those "how do I upgrade my german MDAIII to English.
Well I can tell you what has changed over the last year. Back then I got NO ANSWER, no falming, no use search, no use wiki.
So over time this site has changed and now at least you can get a reply even if this is thought by many as beeing flamed at.
Over time I learnt 2 things, one to read and one to use search. The reading I have kept the Search well that is a Pain in the ass. In the blue angel section (upgrade) do a search for "new rom" and you get Zero, its a bug we are working on it but it still sucks. Now in the same BA Upgrade section do a search for Threads by "MDAIIIUser". Here you get "New Rom" "new rom:" "New rom!" and the like.
Myself I have stoped the use search as I cant use it myself in the form that I want. Sad but true.
So what is the solutiom, for me it was then wiki, sure I had to post on how to edit it but with time I could even work it out. So from there I found out how to upgrade and posted it on wiki, found roms and posted them, found an unlocker, cabs and a bunch of stuff that I thought was cool of intrest and useful. So I posted it in wiki, edited it when new roms came out, ect bla bal.
Well Time moved on and I got bored after the 3 WM5 rom and well nothing else happens in the BA section the device is dead only sold by a few and thus.... I left it.
Now there is lots of grest info here, lots of great people that have found out lots of cool tricks. Its what makes this site, not the how do I upgrade or should I perform a restore after a rom upgrade. However noobs, newbies what ever we might like to discredit them as have a right to be here, I riight to the information and a right to some constructive help.
What we should all do is keep wiki upto date which is a lot easiser for a new member as he is driven by the quest of knowlege than an old member that does nto realy care in which direction his rom goes to as there is nothing new.
So I am not going to search the wiki pages for who finds this sites attitude bad but himslef has failed to update wiki, nor try to work out which users are helpful or flame.
All I am trying to say and now we get to the short version, is be nice, remember that you to were lost on this site and Please update wiki.
Oh yes, you will find a posts from me that just read "moved to XX (BA, Universal, hermes) but you will also see my signature which should point some people in the correct direction. Could I have answered all of there questions, yes sometims, sometimes not. So why don't I? well that due to the fact that some of us try to keep the site clean.

personally i feel the same way as the orginal poster...but i do see where some of yall are coming from with n00bs askin the same ? thats been answered before. i currently run a forum and have that problem sometimes. im no complete n00b just a novice with all this hackin/developin and i noticed i postd some ?s months ago with no responses at all and yes i searched for the answer and vj u had even posted in that thread but i never got a response. i didnt get mad....i pmd someone who helped me out the best he could since he was as new as me. i have found pm to be the best method of recieving help on this board....even tho at times "anal retentive" members dont even respond to say anything....no "f off" no "yea sure do this..." no "try looking here" just no response at all leaving n00bs to think i better not post if i dont know fully what im talking about.....i personally think the community would be better if everyone treated everyone as they would like to have been treated wheb they were n00bs. we all were at one point and time......shezzzzz......dont u guys remember? well all this is imho.
~mike

this does not apply to newbie's only.
i have asked about five times for help in here, responses 2
so i have been forced to read ,sometimes i find the answer some times
not.
pm several user for help. reply; 1
i receive several pms asking for help every week, i try to help ,but some people never give up. suddenly u become their personal google.
i got a guy now asking to write a a full tutorial in how to cook a rom. yea right!!
like an don’t have anything to do.
so I email him and said I was very busy at the moment, I would try to help when I had time.
following day got word from him. have you got time yet? !!!! now I get an email from him everyday. he says hi is in a hurry!!!!

faria
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faria said:
I email him and said I was very busy at the moment, I would try to help when I had time.
following day got word from him. have you got time yet? !!!! now I get an email from him everyday. he says hi is in a hurry!!!!
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rofl

here is a good example of why people get temperamental
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1038017&posted=1#post1038017

HTC Diamond ROM

Hi Guys
i need your help i just bought an HTC Diamond yesterday and i am dissapointed, the device has a number of issues 1 is that the touch flo is not smooth and there is about 3 to 5 secs lag time, second is that the battery life is crap. anyways i read on the net that an updated ROM can fix these issues, the current ROM VERSION i am using is 1.35.456.3 WWE, please let me know if there are newer ROM versions and where i can download them,p.s. will ROM upgrade actually fix the battery life issues as well as memory leak. I really hope that the touch pro doesn't have all these issues.

This isn't the correct forum. If you had actually read the rules you agreed to when you signed up, you might have noticed that one said SEARCH BEFORE YOU POST! So if you had done this, you would have found what you're looking for.
Normally, under these circumstances, I would direct you there, but seeing as it's called Diamond ROM Development, I'll let you find it yourself

you can find all your answers in my signature link

to answer your question without the entire search first part:
1. yes there is a newer one
2. look in the diamond development rom section

rorydaredkign said:
This isn't the correct forum. If you had actually read the rules you agreed to when you signed up, you might have noticed that one said SEARCH BEFORE YOU POST! So if you had done this, you would have found what you're looking for.
Normally, under these circumstances, I would direct you there, but seeing as it's called Diamond ROM Development, I'll let you find it yourself
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Has it ever occured to you that one might be in a hurry to solve a big issue, if you can't help a new comer and direct them corrctly then u should keep your comments to your self. I mean we are humans and we all make mistakes but that doesn't mean you come out and bite people's heads off. Thats the problem with the world today instead of stopping and helping u choose to be agressive and blame them, anyways i am happy to say that other more thoughtful members of this forum helped me. Thanks..

Well, I don't really want to flame your posts but Rorydaredkign is right maybe not the right way to say it
The information you seek are just 2 clicks away from the button "new topic" and a little search might help find anything you need but obviously you did not take a bit of your time to browse the forum...
As a new comer, do not take anything for granted!

@original poster
If you can get 1.37 to load up and apply some of the settings in the Diamond Tweaks sticky you will find things a lot better.
I would stay away from tweak number two in that thread though as most people have found it renders their handset inoperable and have to hard reset. However, as you will have to hard-reset to upgrade anyway you might want to give it a go.
I agree with you about the aggression. I understand the power of search but when you're new, a string of posts telling you to use the search, when it would have been quicker to answer the question, is unnecessary - and not really community spirited.

Sorry to flame, but in about 3 weeks, this forum has degenerated from a place of discussion to a place where noobs just ask and don't search. And thats slightly annoying.
But, I'll say no more.
Rory

noob
rorydaredkign said:
Sorry to flame, but in about 3 weeks, this forum has degenerated from a place of discussion to a place where noobs just ask and don't search. And thats slightly annoying.
But, I'll say no more.
Rory
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And what makes you not a noob are countless posts like the one above which have elevated you to "Senior Member". Congratulations on your achievement.

arisg said:
And what makes you not a noob are countless posts like the one above which have elevated you to "Senior Member". Congratulations on your achievement.
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Well for one, I know how to search
And the thing is, like I said, normally I would search myself, then post a link, but when there's an actual forum called Diamond ROM Development, I couldn't be ****ed.
And you say its posts like this which have made me senior, but you're wrong.
Granted, I tell people to search, and I should probably just say nothing, but before, people have told me off for describing in detail something which can be found by a 2 word search or in the wiki.
So don't just think I go round telling people they're noobs, I don't usually, But here I have.
Rory

Peace, people! This forum isn't the right place for this kind of discussions

ok guys since i started this i will make an attempt to end it,
"rorydaredkign"- i understand ur frustration and i am sure your senior member due to more positive reasons than knowing how to search, but it is wrong to bite people's heads of just because they do not know something even though it is two clicks or one click away, i mean take an example ur in a new place u have never been and when u ask for directions people bit ur head off and tell u why not get a map. You should put ur self in my shoes, i just purchased the diamond its expensive and its not working propoerly so i was freaking out and was trying to get help as quickly as possible, if i had time on my hand i would sit and search and go through the whole forum. There is no need to go around calling people names we are all mature here and name calling is something we all left back in junior school, by you going around the forum and calling people noobs just displays u as an unprofessional character, This forum is set up so that people everywhere can assist each other and share the knowledge, so please lets burry this hatchet and try our level best to maintain strong good community. Let us leave this issue behind us and move on with what is really important. Not that there is a need to applogise but i feel i should applogise for asking a question when i could have searched and found what i was looking for. Having said that i still enjoy this forum i think its fantastic and there is alot to learn from everyone here, thanks to everyone for their contribution.

why people!?!?!

i dont know why people have to be so f**** rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is for f**** help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" but damn f***! if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut the f*** up and dont say anything or be rude about it.

This has been discussed already. Please use the Search link up at the top right.

lol, and this is supposed to be a polite post? Come on, lighten up, if the same questions get asked for a thousand times, then i can imagine people sometimes like to point out the search feature of the site

trichau81 said:
i dont know why people have to be so f**** rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is for f**** help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" but damn f***! if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut the f*** up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
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No my friend, what is rude is to ask other people to waste their time because you are too lazy to do a little bit of research for yourself.

If you can help someone then help them, if you can't then don't. If you just don't want to help then you are just a user. The most repeated thing I have read in these forums is "use the search" if that is the only comment you can make then get lost! It is true in here that some who think they know something are just abrupt and rude to people who they think know less than themselves. Wisdom expresses itself in many ways, the least of which is "use the search".

Please use the search function.
Its there for your service!

We are all here for each others service.

uniqueboy said:
If you can help someone then help them, if you can't then don't. If you just don't want to help then you are just a user. The most repeated thing I have read in these forums is "use the search" if that is the only comment you can make then get lost! It is true in here that some who think they know something are just abrupt and rude to people who they think know less than themselves. Wisdom expresses itself in many ways, the least of which is "use the search".
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Well said! I must say, as a new user (but a seasoned veteran of similar dev sites), I have been dismayed at how simple questions here from noobs like me, are frequently greeted with thinly veiled contempt and disgust.
I just made a prototype app for the Diamond that uses the G sensor, and would like to get some feedback from folks, but I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the topic in case I unintentionally incur the wrath of the the veterans here!

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I just made a prototype app for the Diamond that uses the G sensor, and would like to get some feedback from folks, but I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the topic in case I unintentionally incur the wrath of the the veterans here!
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I'm sure you won't. Your thread will be most welcome.
However, I strongly feel that anybody should try and do some simple research before asking for help. I don't believe it's very polite (nor educational, for that matter) to simply write a post that essentially says: my time is too important to waste on trivial things like trying to find information, but since your time has no value to me, why don't you do that?
I often tried to find things when answering to others if the issue was not described in the forum. If, on the contrary, it has been discussed (and in many cases more than once), I believe that the Search button should be used.
It would be rude not to...

Actually I think it is pretty sad that most people have nothing better to do than to flame people in forums. If you see a question that is addressed somewhere else then either point the person in that direction or just don't answer. I have to agree that sometimes it is not that the person is using the search link but perhaps they are not searching correctly. This is a professional forum and we do not need unprofessional people in it so please play nice everyone.

A lot of the questions on here remind me of the 300ZX forum I used to go on... "I want to do a Twin Turbo swap, what do I need?" How many times do you think that question was answered? How many stickies do you think there were about that same question? Here's what the veterans are trying to make you do... Come into the forum, search for your answer first, then after you don't find it, ask. It prevents the forum from being cluttered and lets the people who really DO have unanswered questions to get answers more quickly. I'm not going to be mean or disrespectful about it, but please, if for nothing else, for the efficiency of helping each other, try to find the answer on your own before you ask a question.

It wouldn't be so bad if the Diamond forums were old with 100s of threads and the question being asked was last answered weeks ago. But the Diamond forums are relatively new and most of the questions being asked have already been asked on the current page or the page 2. You don't even need to use search to find the answer.
I've only been flashing for less than 2 weeks and so far have managed to find all the tools and guides I need by reading the posts on pages 1 and 2. I didn't need to go any deeper or use search.
So if anyone asks a question which has already been answered dozens of times then you should expect a few people to get annoyed. Afterall it takes less effort to read then for someone to type out an explanation again an again.
Also, a lot of questions are too vague, e.g. I can't flash the hardspl. Maybe if you spent a bit more effort saying what you have tried and exactly where the problem is then you might get more help.

uniqueboy said:
If you can help someone then help them, if you can't then don't. If you just don't want to help then you are just a user. The most repeated thing I have read in these forums is "use the search" if that is the only comment you can make then get lost! It is true in here that some who think they know something are just abrupt and rude to people who they think know less than themselves. Wisdom expresses itself in many ways, the least of which is "use the search".
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Agree 100%. Yeah I get a bit miffed reading the same basic questions, but then when you do use the search engine, it brings back 100's of threads at times, which a new comer to the ppc world might not fully understand.
I had my first ppc phone back with the Blue Angel, and so many guys have helped me along the way since then. It's only the minority who say "Use the search!!!". But having said that, I think this is the least friendly/most abusive ppc forum. I get the general feeling that a few guys in here are above their stations...
Just my 2 pence worth. Not "cents" as I'm British. If you don't know where Britain is, or its monetary system, then use the f**king sear......

snigfargle said:
Well said! I must say, as a new user (but a seasoned veteran of similar dev sites), I have been dismayed at how simple questions here from noobs like me, are frequently greeted with thinly veiled contempt and disgust.
I just made a prototype app for the Diamond that uses the G sensor, and would like to get some feedback from folks, but I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the topic in case I unintentionally incur the wrath of the the veterans here!
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Bro:
If you offer us any kind of app with those characteristics you will never incur in the wrath of the the veterans here!

1. new posts that contains or starts with:crappy, wtf (this is real special to me), what to buy, battery life, gps, what programs, who is better, iPhone, how to? (the answer in the manual), polls-bring the killer instinct in me.
2, new posts that contains or starts with:i can not, help, my diamond.., how to ?, where to find, i searched but...., confused-bring the mother Theresa buried deep in me.
3. new posts that contains or starts with:i developed, solved, news, new program, new game, how to (without question mark)-bring up the happy me together with "lets donate", let's be encouraging answer post.
this is not a graffiti wall. this is a place with rules (when you registered you accepted the rules) and don't start useless threads/posts is one of them.
respect the rules and by doing so you respect the place and it's inhabitants.
giving respect will bring you back respect.
interesting threads are pushed back in 2-nd and 3-thrd page by threads started just to chat. the forum is full with such posts started usually by a noobie that is soon joined but 5-8 other noobies that are happily chating about something that's only by far related with diamond. each posts, each answer is bumping the thread up.
since my diamond is today how i wished to be and i don't have to search (ooops, sorry for using dirty words) for answers or tweaks i found great pleasure in helping ppl that need help but only ppl that at least tried to solve, to search and help themselves first.
i dont know why people have to be so rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
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first, watch yr language please!
second, i took the liberty to edit yr post. looks better and the message remain the same.
third, sending you to search is help because it means that the solution of yr problem is here somewhere buried between all the posts (too many useless, but who is to blame?). when looking for it you'll usually read posts that you''l remember later when trying to solve other problems. search is good for you and yr diamond.
keep the forum clean ppl!

KukurikU said:
... sending you to search is help because it means that the solution of yr problem is here somewhere buried between useless posts. when looking for it you'll usually read posts that you''l remember later when trying to solve other problems.
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Very good points there KukurikU.
If the Diamond forum wasn't so full of posts which should be in the General forum then it would be easier to find Diamond specific answers.
And, like you said, while searching for an answer to a problem I've read other posts along the way which taught me things I never knew.

trichau81 said:
i dont know why people have to be so f**** rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is for f**** help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" but damn f***! if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut the f*** up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
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There is one thing i don't understand. This is you're first post so no one has send you to the search function. Maybe you have read a question from a poster with a certain history? Otherwise i don't get i why you register yourself to a forum and start a bad topic.

marco899 said:
There is one thing i don't understand. This is you're first post so no one has send you to the search function. Maybe you have read a question from a poster with a certain history? Otherwise i don't get i why you register yourself to a forum and start a bad topic.
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Hahahaha that's something I didn't notice... He's looking at other users being told to use search and sticking up for them? Lame.

Why did this discussion get started in the Diamond Forum in the first place. This is a general discussion and not related to the Diamond specifically and is yet itself another example of how specific forums get cluttered and why it can get difficult to find what you are looking for in a specific forum.

pedmond said:
No my friend, what is rude is to ask other people to waste their time because you are too lazy to do a little bit of research for yourself.
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Dont answer the Q then and your time wont be wasted! Sometimes its hard to find the answer with the search function and even if you find the thread it could be 50-something pages long...

Petition For Omnia Forum !!!!!!1

This is a petition to all winmo device users.
i think xda devs shouls make an axception to the htc only rule and be very nice and let a forum for samsung omnias be opened
the reason why i think this is because all of the minds here are very good at what they do whether its software development or just helping noobs and i dont want to go to another website were ythe quality of people is different

discuss why

jayjay8585 said:
discuss why
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Already athread about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420077
I´m sorry mate....

orb3000 said:
Already athread about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420077
I´m sorry mate....
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Haha.. What are you sorry about excactly?

us1111 said:
Haha.. What are you sorry about excactly?
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Sorry is to be nice to people here, as it´s stated on that thread, no matter what this poll says: No Omnia will be considered as this is an HTC only forum
That´s what I´m sorry
Have a good day

orb3000 said:
Sorry is to be nice to people here, as it´s stated on that thread, no matter what this poll says: No Omnia will be considered as this is an HTC only forum
That´s what I´m sorry
Have a good day
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Don't mind me for asking, but in what way shape or form do you have a say in this? I also liked the dog in the manger analogy in the thread you pointed at, a very smart observation imo. I see this kind of behavior also a lot irl..
Likewise

For noobs like me, an Omnia Forum would be perfect

It's so cute that you guys think this forum is a democracy.
If the Admins say no, which they have repeatedly, for very sound reasons, Then its not going to happen.
But This thread can continue if you like.

JimmyMcGee said:
It's so cute that you guys think this forum is a democracy.
If the Admins say no, which they have repeatedly, for very sound reasons, Then its not going to happen.
But This thread can continue if you like.
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At least that discussion is closed..
BTW. Can you please state the "sound reasons" for me again.. Can't seem to find them, not even in your sigs..

JimmyMcGee said:
It's so cute that you guys think this forum is a democracy.
If the Admins say no, which they have repeatedly, for very sound reasons, Then its not going to happen.
But This thread can continue if you like.
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Democracy No... never thought that at all...
Community YES. It even says that on the front page. A pettition isn't a demand, a threat or a power grab. It's not even a threat to your authority Jimmy. It is however a way of the comminity expressing an opinion to those who actually do have the authority and responsibilty of running xda-developers. Running a site such as XDA has to be an amazing amount of work. And the admin team are awesome :approve:
Now if those Admins actually do have very sound reasons for not doing this then fair enough. If those reasons are given then we can respect the choice even if we may not agree with it. If they were to say no, then it wouldn't happen (until they said yes)
However that isn't the situation that we seem to have here. Even with reasonable amount of searching I can't find any Admin actually saying anything about the subject*
*if such a post does already exist about "No to an Omnia forum"** from an actual Admin then I'd really love to see it. If "Sound reasons" are given in that post from an admin then I'll respectfully apologise and eat my words. If Multiple posts from Admins exist, with the sound reasons, then i'll even post the video of me eating those words.....
** and no a post about the flame in 2006 doesn't really count

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** and no a post about the flame in 2006 doesn't really count
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Aww, I was just about to post a link to "that" thread for you as well (jk'ing)
Dave

psionandy said:
Democracy No... never thought that at all...
Community YES. It even says that on the front page. A pettition isn't a demand, a threat or a power grab. It's not even a threat to your authority Jimmy. It is however a way of the comminity expressing an opinion to those who actually do have the authority and responsibilty of running xda-developers. Running a site such as XDA has to be an amazing amount of work. And the admin team are awesome :approve:
Now if those Admins actually do have very sound reasons for not doing this then fair enough. If those reasons are given then we can respect the choice even if we may not agree with it. If they were to say no, then it wouldn't happen (until they said yes)
However that isn't the situation that we seem to have here. Even with reasonable amount of searching I can't find any Admin actually saying anything about the subject*
*if such a post does already exist about "No to an Omnia forum"** from an actual Admin then I'd really love to see it. If "Sound reasons" are given in that post from an admin then I'll respectfully apologise and eat my words. If Multiple posts from Admins exist, with the sound reasons, then i'll even post the video of me eating those words.....
** and no a post about the flame in 2006 doesn't really count
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I never said that I thought this shouldn't be done. I never said I felt my power, what ever THAT may be, was threatened.
But It has been said repeatedly with EVERY device that was not HTC made that was suggested that, no there will not be a forum.
I just don't want you guys getting your hopes up, if this works out for you guys, great. But don't get disappointed when the pattern of rejecting non HTC devices continue.
Was I a little flip in my post? Probably, but that's my personality.
P.S. Dave, Please post that "flame" link, It shows the Pattern I am talking about.

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I never said that I thought this shouldn't be done. I never said I felt my power, what ever THAT may be, was threatened.
But It has been said repeatedly with EVERY device that was not HTC made that was suggested that, no there will not be a forum.
I just don't want you guys getting your hopes up, if this works out for you guys, great. But don't get disappointed when the pattern of rejecting non HTC devices continue.
Was I a little flip in my post? Probably, but that's my personality.
P.S. Dave, Please post that "flame" link, It shows the Pattern I am talking about.
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It's in my sig Jimmy (Non HTC Forum).
Ta
Dave

if enough people say they would like one perhaps the admins would recondier
and how come people didnt kno this isnt a democracy, it likes to make you think it is but it aint. like catholics
btw my job is so craps im reading the bible for fun phil collins acan write a lot
im at genesis 20

JimmyMcGee said:
I just don't want you guys getting your hopes up, if this works out for you guys, great. But don't get disappointed when the pattern of rejecting non HTC devices continue.
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Thanks Jimmy... I can live with that. :approve:
And If I sounded antagonistic towards you in any way, then that wasn't my intention either.
If it happens then I think it will be of great benefit to XDA-developers and to its members. If it doesn't happen, well nobody can say we didn't ask for it.

Why don't you create a forum oustide XDA (if not already available, I won't search it as I don't need it).
I mean why absolutely living here . If the Omnia community is so huge, it can be huge in an other place/forum, it doesn't need this very forum!

I think the whole point was to join a community with the sound basis of this forum as a place to bounce ideas back and forth across platforms regardless of manufacturer with the hope of improving the devices of everyone.

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I think the whole point was to join a community with the sound basis of this forum as a place to bounce ideas back and forth across platforms regardless of manufacturer with the hope of improving the devices of everyone.
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Exactly.. Well said. That is/was the point..

princy1 said:
I think the whole point was to join a community with the sound basis of this forum as a place to bounce ideas back and forth across platforms regardless of manufacturer with the hope of improving the devices of everyone.
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That's where you thought wrong. This forum was created specifically for HTC devices, and HTC only. Honestly, think of how many different devices there are out there, do you really think it's possible to maintain that many devices? Looks like you just joined, so I imagine you've seen very little here, as have I in only a few months, but everytime a new non-HTC device hits the market, a few people ask this same question, and receive the same response. Then the thread dies down after 2-3 weeks, and everything is back to normal. There are reasons why this forum sticks to HTC only, and I'm sure it's not going to change every time a group of people get a different device.
So, I'm not sure where you got your idea of the community, but just with any other forum out there, it's information and users are directed towards one general idea, and this one happens to be HTC devices.

There is another big Forum dedicated to the Samsung Omnia:
http://www.modaco.com/category/342/i900-omnia-http-i900-modaco-com/
It is very sad that xda-developers will lose importance due to more and more non-htc devices being released (Samsung, Sony Ericcson...).

ROM upg for tilt?

New to pocket pc's so sry for the n00be questions. Have ATT tilt through ATT with CPU Q 7201 & ROM ver: 1.62.502.0. First I am wondering how I can tell what version of win mobile I have? I want to upg to ver 6.1. I have Windows Mobile 6.1 For HTC Touch (U.S. Cellular) package ... would that work on my phone and with my carrier? Also wondering how I can save and restore current ROM version and where I can find good ROM packages (for my phone) for novices?
Thank you

Welcome,
Do a bit of research read stickys in ROM section, maybe even a bit of the wiki...
And never flash a\ROM meant for another device....
All info is here on XDA.
Peac3,
stylez.

There are volumes of information and most of it is confusing since this is my first experience with pocket PC's. I have done hours of research and cant get a strait answer. Thank god for forums. But thanks for at least answering one question. I thought for some reason that the HTC touch was for my device but I guess the touch is different than the tilt.
Another issue with the searches is that it comes up with nothing productive regarding my specific questions. Below are my search strings:
tilt rom upgrade "6.1" title only
tilt rom windows mobile "6.1" entire post
tilt rom "6.1" entire post
Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.
When I go to the ATT site they say that there is no 6.1 update available. Where can I get the update for my specific phone and carrier? Does the carrier even matter?
EDIT: Think I found the update at one of the logical places: HTC's site.

Hi,
Sorry for the bad reception. People around here seem to think their time is too valuable to help a newcomer. Bad comments invited, my skin is thick. They must have forgotten what it is like to be new. And I have found that the search function on this site is often less than helpful.
You can find your OS Version by going to Settings and clicking on Device Information. It should be on the first line.
It very much matters that you use the right ROM as the others won't work. OEM ROMS are picky about where they get installed.
You are on the right track at the HTC site. There used to be a link to it from ATT but I couldn't find it the other day.
Good luck.

TracyD said:
Hi,
Sorry for the bad reception. People around here seem to think their time is too valuable to help a newcomer. Bad comments invited, my skin is thick. They must have forgotten what it is like to be new. And I have found that the search function on this site is often less than helpful.
You can find your OS Version by going to Settings and clicking on Device Information. It should be on the first line.
It very much matters that you use the right ROM as the others won't work. OEM ROMS are picky about where they get installed.
You are on the right track at the HTC site. There used to be a link to it from ATT but I couldn't find it the other day.
Good luck.
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Despite the chastising of senior members by our learned member with ten whole posts. What new members need to realize, is that this is a developers forum first and foremost. It is a library of knowledge accrued by the study of these phones and the hard work of it's members.
As I said, it is a library for all to access, not an HTC help line. As with all libraries, you do not walk up to the librarian and say " give me all you have on world history " the response you will get is, " go to the world history section and search it out yourself " Much like newer members here are told to go to the wiki.
When seniors suggest that you search, it is an attempt to train you to be productive , contributing members of the this community. If that's all you want is an HTC 24hr helpline, there are plenty of those other places online.
If you want access to the most knowledgeable people in the WinMo world , then do your homework, read the Wiki, do your searches, and then respectfully ask for help with concise well thought out questions, and you will find this one of the most friendly sharing sites on the net.
That being said, Welcome and here is the latest rom update for the Tilt
http://www.htc.com/us/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=67&act=sd&cat=all

I agree with denco7. I researched for 3 days before I got the courage to try to unlock and flash my Tilt. Even then, it took me 5 hours. My MDA only took about 10 minutes. There is a reason for the wikis and stickies: they should be read first. If you don't find answers to your questions there or don't understand, ask for help and give a detailed description of what you have tried. Don't expect everything to just be handed to you.

i agree with what the senior members are saying...
also, i would like to add that the initial process (that can last for several DAYS) of doing the reading and searching to try to understand the basics of your device has been a thoroughly incredible learning experience. it will take time and some effort on your part but think of it as an investment...these devices may be simple to USE but CUSTOMIZATION steps like ROM upgrading deserve your full attention and understanding, particularly because of the likelihood of "bricking" your very expensive device.
at the very least, the wiki should be THE place to go to, to build your concepts, read about the various tips and tricks and customization possibilities and what not.
all the same, the builtin search does suck but nearly everybody recommends using google to perform your search...simply append "xda" in the keywords of your search and google will give you remarkably good results.

TitusCicero said:
There are volumes of information and most of it is confusing since this is my first experience with pocket PC's. I have done hours of research and cant get a strait answer. Thank god for forums. But thanks for at least answering one question. I thought for some reason that the HTC touch was for my device but I guess the touch is different than the tilt.
Another issue with the searches is that it comes up with nothing productive regarding my specific questions. Below are my search strings:
tilt rom upgrade "6.1" title only
tilt rom windows mobile "6.1" entire post
tilt rom "6.1" entire post
Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.
When I go to the ATT site they say that there is no 6.1 update available. Where can I get the update for my specific phone and carrier? Does the carrier even matter?
EDIT: Think I found the update at one of the logical places: HTC's site.
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Just a side note.... There are 2 search buttons on the forums. One is for the Thread ( which it appears to be the one you were using ) and the other is a google forum search. The one on the very top of the screen is the one you want. Or do as everyone else has suggested and use google but add xda to the search string. I like how Denco put it........ this is a knowledgebase ( or a library if you will ). A librarian can help point you in the right direction or even teach you the dewey decimal system, but they will never hand pick all of the relative books for you. Learn the system and you will love it here. Goodluck!!!!

Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. I may not post again for another year. Oh well. Honestly, I support the need for folks to search, but I think you guys are a little extreme. It is my thought that forums like this are places where people go to get help, some need more than others. You are welcome to not respond or to respond helpfully, however, what value is a negative post but to raise people's hackles. Fortunately for you poor spirited folks, I have decided to ignore your rudeness and continue to lurk looking for tidibits of fun info.
As far as being a senior member goes, so? I have been lurking on forums since back in the 300 baud modem and bulletin board days. I just might be senior enough for my purposes. I help when I can and try to enjoy the commentary. I just don't like to see such rudeness as I often see here. Perhaps some "seniors" need to grow up a little and not take this stuff so seriously.

well........if you're senior enough, then you should know better than to start a thread asking a question that is answered countless times, which is an extreme no-no here. because of that we will now have to display extreme hatred towards you......its in the rules somewhere.
here is an excellent post from the most good looking xda-mod (i've heard rumors) describing what xda-devs is about
What is XDA-Devs

TracyD said:
Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. I may not post again for another year. Oh well. Honestly, I support the need for folks to search, but I think you guys are a little extreme. It is my thought that forums like this are places where people go to get help, some need more than others. You are welcome to not respond or to respond helpfully, however, what value is a negative post but to raise people's hackles. Fortunately for you poor spirited folks, I have decided to ignore your rudeness and continue to lurk looking for tidibits of fun info.
As far as being a senior member goes, so? I have been lurking on forums since back in the 300 baud modem and bulletin board days. I just might be senior enough for my purposes. I help when I can and try to enjoy the commentary. I just don't like to see such rudeness as I often see here. Perhaps some "seniors" need to grow up a little and not take this stuff so seriously.
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lol, infact your response was the only rude one, stating about senior members and there attitude towards noobs after my first post to which was giving direction and spoken very softly without a "go search" etc, infact i even welcomed him\her to the forum & directed towards the most relevant threads including saying not to brick there device.
Welll in future i shall just post "Use the search!!!"
In response to how many years online i imagine we all been about for along time online but not to say "we" know it all about the subject matter in hand.
"Any way the book you are after is in the second isle, if you need any more assistance there is a computer in the corner that can help find what you need"