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How do you install WM 6.1

Hey guys (and girls),
Hey i'm a semi-n00b and don't know how to update the version of Windows Mobile on my AT&T Tilt. Anyone can tell me how?? Thanks
Tek12x
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.

search and read before you get flamed

You have to install hard-spl (in the Kaiser ROM Development section) by pof/olipro. Once you do that, find the rom you want, download it, and run the RUU.

It involves 2 paperclips and a wall socket, if you would like to proceed let me know.

dyetheskin said:
search and read before you get flamed
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+1 well said....

Tek12x said:
Hey guys (and girls),
Hey i'm a semi-n00b and don't know how to update the version of Windows Mobile on my AT&T Tilt. Anyone can tell me how?? Thanks
Tek12x
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i'd think twice about a semi-noob...i think u've just upgraded urself to a full noob....
Tek12x said:
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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LOL...u cant be serious

Tek12x said:
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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rofl......no way!!!!

Tek12x said:
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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Then you searched the wrong forum. This one has over 1.5 MILLION Posts.

Tek12x said:
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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Maybe he searched for the text string "anything"???
Nope. I tried that and got...
Results 1 - 10 of about 65,400 from forum.xda-developers.com for "anything". (0.22 seconds)
Maybe he (or she) should try this sticky at the top of the Kaiser General page on searching...
Kaiser and other Searches

From noob to noob
I think maybe he meant an official microsoft upgrade, not a "cooked rom". Microsoft has not realeased an upgrade to Windows Mobile Pro 6.0 for the tilt if that is what you meant . The only 6.1's that people are talking about are custom roms.

i don't think denco most of us here rely on "oem" official upgrades .. none the less searching and reading than searching some more and than some more reading and than memorizing what you have read is a MUST >.. so happy reading.

What?
While getting chastized by someone who joined "our forum" less than a month ago is appealing to people, it was a simple question that I thought got misunderstood. So I decided to end the thread with a simple answer, because I'm sure people have other things to do. Apparently not. I have had my Tilt since 10/07 and know it inside and out mostly from reading this forum since 10/07, and have never felt the need for a cooked rom. Screw with the interface yes, rom no need. Interesting poll question though. Out of 681,176 members on this site how many have oem roms and how many have custom roms? I know the most vocal have custom roms ,but 600000 is a lot of people

denco7 said:
I think maybe he meant an official microsoft upgrade, not a "cooked rom". Microsoft has not realeased an upgrade to Windows Mobile Pro 6.0 for the tilt if that is what you meant . The only 6.1's that people are talking about are custom roms.
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Maybe, However I don't think a developers/enthusiasts forum is the best place to ask.
denco7 said:
While getting chastized by someone who joined "our forum" less than a month ago is appealing to people, it was a simple question that I thought got misunderstood. So I decided to end the thread with a simple answer, because I'm sure people have other things to do. Apparently not. I have had my Tilt since 10/07 and know it inside and out mostly from reading this forum since 10/07, and have never felt the need for a cooked rom. Screw with the interface yes, rom no need. Interesting poll question though. Out of 681,176 members on this site how many have oem roms and how many have custom roms? I know the most vocal have custom roms ,but 600000 is a lot of people
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So he feels a sense of belonging after a few weeks nothing wrong with that. Also a forum is not defined by its number of members, but its number of active members and the mission statement made by the Founders.
Mission Statement:
Welcome to xda-developers.com
This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a firm called HTC in Taiwan. Their makers named them 'Wallaby', 'Himalaya', 'Blue Angel', 'Wizard' and 'TyTN', but almost nobody knows them by those names. The mobile provider O2 sells them under the brand-name 'XDA', and that's what we had in our hands first. They're also known as Qtek, MDA, SX-56, Hermes and many, many other names.
Since we develop software for it, we need information, and nobody seemed eager or ready to give us what we needed. So we 'reverse-engineered' the devices, found a lot of information, and shared it with the world. But as our site grew we realised that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from a lack of support. They started using the xda-developers forum to communicate and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developer forum.
We hope that you will enjoy this site and find it as useful as we do. We encourage you to donate or otherwise support this site. Of course absolutely all proceeds from donations will benefit this community.
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To all the "feel-good" and "Rambo" flamers of noobs....all I can say is shame on you.
You make people feel as welcome as a boil on one's ass.
Get a life all of you. This is not about "SEARCH" all the time. If you have the time to give a shmarmy reply, then you have the time to be helpful. If not, then perhaps you should just ignore requests for help for those that "GASP" don't "search"....OH MY GOODNESS!!!
I shake my head with disbelief at the overt hostility to simple questions.
Are you guys always like this??? Don't you get smacked every now and then? You need to....

MACkjam said:
To all the "feel-good" and "Rambo" flamers of noobs....all I can say is shame on you.
You make people feel as welcome as a boil on one's ass.
Get a life all of you. This is not about "SEARCH" all the time. If you have the time to give a shmarmy reply, then you have the time to be helpful. If not, then perhaps you should just ignore requests for help for those that "GASP" don't "search"....OH MY GOODNESS!!!
I shake my head with disbelief at the overt hostility to simple questions.
Are you guys always like this??? Don't you get smacked every now and then? You need to....
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Totally agree. No one wants thread jumping or serial threaders or how do I turn on my phone? But it seemed like a simple question and the " noob " got totally flamed for it. Jimmy, you pointed out that maybe a developers/enthusiast site is not the place for simple questions, but then you go and point out the mission statement to me that says that "as our site grew we realized that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from lack of support". " and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developers forum." A bit of a contradiction , which is it a snotty developers forum, like Jimmy suggests in the first half of his post ( I believe there already is a section of this forum for development and hacking ideas that is off limits to the common folk), or a users forum like the mission statement suggests in the second half of his post? I can live with either one.

denco7 said:
Totally agree. No one wants thread jumping or serial threaders or how do I turn on my phone? But it seemed like a simple question and the " noob " got totally flamed for it. Jimmy, you pointed out that maybe a developers/enthusiast site is not the place for simple questions, but then you go and point out the mission statement to me that says that "as our site grew we realized that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from lack of support". " and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developers forum." A bit of a contradiction , which is it a snotty developers forum, like Jimmy suggests in the first half of his post ( I believe there already is a section of this forum for development and hacking ideas that is off limits to the common folk), or a users forum like the mission statement suggests in the second half of his post? I can live with either one.
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So you're telling me that having the inability to search is perfectly acceptable?
Google is arguably the best search engine around, and XDA uses it for site searches. Do you go to Google's home page, and then without typing anything in the search box, just give up?
It ultimately comes down to the rules of the forum; one of which included searching before creating threads. If someone cannot follow a few simple rules, then they have bigger issues then not knowing how to install a ROM on their phone.

MACkjam said:
This is not about "SEARCH" all the time. If you have the time to give a shmarmy reply, then you have the time to be helpful. If not, then perhaps you should just ignore requests for help for those that "GASP" don't "search"....OH MY GOODNESS!!!
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well...if the OP..not necessarily this one but all others too...if they have the time to post this question which may have been posted and asked several million times...then they have the time to search and find out for themselves..thats why the search button is there..

MACkjam said:
Don't you get smacked every now and then? You need to....
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Those that have tried have never been back for a second attempt. Of that, you can be sure.

NotATreoFan said:
So you're telling me that having the inability to search is perfectly acceptable?
Google is arguably the best search engine around, and XDA uses it for site searches. Do you go to Google's home page, and then without typing anything in the search box, just give up?
It ultimately comes down to the rules of the forum; one of which included searching before creating threads. If someone cannot follow a few simple rules, then they have bigger issues then not knowing how to install a ROM on their phone.
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My problem is not with reminding people to search,some of my answers to posts have also included gentle reminders to search followed by helpful ( I hope ) answers. My problem is with flaming people before clarifying the question. I "did" a forum search on an MS upgrade for 6.0 on a TILT before I decided to speak up and found nothing pertaining to the tilt. " How do you install Windows Mobile 6.1 on a Tilt? " " There is no 6.1 yet. " How hard is that? I have been programming for 33 yrs, I started out on a key punch terminal and then fed hundreds of punch cards into a reel to reel magnetic tape " processor " the size of most people's living rooms. My first in a long line of PDAs and smart phones, was an Apple Newton. I may be an idiot, but not from lack of experience. Exactly when did people get so full of themselves. But this is not " my " forum so I guess I should just butt out.

MACkjam said:
To all the "feel-good" and "Rambo" flamers of noobs....all I can say is shame on you.
You make people feel as welcome as a boil on one's ass.
Get a life all of you. This is not about "SEARCH" all the time. If you have the time to give a shmarmy reply, then you have the time to be helpful. If not, then perhaps you should just ignore requests for help for those that "GASP" don't "search"....OH MY GOODNESS!!!
I shake my head with disbelief at the overt hostility to simple questions.
Are you guys always like this??? Don't you get smacked every now and then? You need to....
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Shame on me? Shame on you sir. This forum is filled with very usefull and important information. People just need to look for it. If we allow every Tom, ****, and Bob, to post threads willy-nilly without remand or maintaining some flow. The forum become deluted with crap, the information will be impossible to find. And our key smart people will leave. Then we might as well change the Topic of this forum to "Talking about the OC."
The Mods have said their piece on this, I personally have been following their wishes. I recommend everyone else does too.
denco7 said:
Totally agree. No one wants thread jumping or serial threaders or how do I turn on my phone? But it seemed like a simple question and the " noob " got totally flamed for it. Jimmy, you pointed out that maybe a developers/enthusiast site is not the place for simple questions, but then you go and point out the mission statement to me that says that "as our site grew we realized that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from lack of support". " and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developers forum." A bit of a contradiction , which is it a snotty developers forum, like Jimmy suggests in the first half of his post ( I believe there already is a section of this forum for development and hacking ideas that is off limits to the common folk), or a users forum like the mission statement suggests in the second half of his post? I can live with either one.
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Maybe I should have been more clear. I know this is a Users Forum. Given the Typical Popular Topics I might say "Power User." Still The Mission Statement put forth by the Founders says users forum, not Free Technical Support Forum. Giving someone some Support and doing the researchfor them without thanks at two totally separate things. You need to learn to have a little thicker skin. I didn't say Snotty Developers Forum.
Fine you know what, you want to be an ass about all this, since I appear to be the only one of this opinion. That opinion of use "search" first, and start a new thread as a last resort. Here you go then....
Tek12x said:
Hey guys (and girls),
Hey i'm a semi-n00b and don't know how to update the version of Windows Mobile on my AT&T Tilt. Anyone can tell me how?? Thanks
Tek12x
I tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything.
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Its Really Quite Easy. Place HardSPL on your device. Heres the thread for it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Then look through here to find a Windows Mobile 6.1 Based Custom ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
If you are looking for the Offical Windows Mobile 6.1 from Microsoft, I'm not sure. Maybe you should check their website. http://www.microsoft.com

Wallpaper Help

Hey guy's I recently set a custom wallpaper on my new Tilt and it seems like its transparent and not fully colored. It's not the original image, just a lighter version of it and you can't really see it properly, is there anyway of fixing this? I tried looking in the settings, couldn't find anything.

Pictures and videos -> set as background -> change opacity to zero.

XXXMasonXXX said:
Hey guy's I recently set a custom wallpaper on my new Tilt and it seems like its transparent and not fully colored. It's not the original image, just a lighter version of it and you can't really see it properly, is there anyway of fixing this? I tried looking in the settings, couldn't find anything.
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can we get a screenshot please?
edit: nevermind

Consider this a friendly warning. Eight Posts in seven new threads, not a good start. You are violating the "laws of the land." Search for your answer. Read the Wikis and Stickies! Post your question in relevant thread.
I have over 1000 posts and I've created 0 threads. Because I post my questions in relevant threads.
Anyway, Welcome to XDA-Developers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=681487&postcount=1

aaaaww bless jimmy reckons a senior member note beside his name signifies that he can tell people about the law of the land. if only he knew you only get the senior member note because they wrote over a hundred things

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aaaaww bless jimmy reckons a senior member note beside his name signifies that he can tell people about the law of the land. if only he knew you only get the senior member note because they wrote over a hundred things
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it doesnt matter if you're senior or not..rules still apply and people should have read them before posting or at least search for an answer first

yes but we should really be asking them to do it advising even. not *****ing at them as itll discourage the learning curve of the site

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opacity to 100% - less opacity = more transparent
bapssystupr3m3 said:
it doesnt matter if you're senior or not..rules still apply and people should have read them before posting or at least search for an answer first
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what are you talking about...the senior member Jimmy didnt do anything wrong, you must've misread something.

Dude jayjay? What is your beef with me? If you have a problem with me, be a man and talk to me in PM instead of trying to belittle me in Open Forums. You only serve to make a fool out of yourself.
I have been very helpful in my short time here. That gives me the right to offer a FRIENDLY suggestion.
When I started here no one said that to me. This will save people from heartaches and from being flamed. I am kind enough to offer them warnings before they walk into the battlefield.
I'm quite aware that 100 posts changes your title near your name to Senior. That does not entitle me to squat. I've worked hard and earned my respect here.
If you have a problem with the way I, or anyone else, responds to redundant posts. Make your own forum and leave here, because these policies were in place before I got here. And they don't seem likely to change anytime soon.

i was just saying that no senior member has no right giving noobs crap bout the rules, we should be guiding them in what to do. not *****ing at them

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Dude jayjay? What is your beef with me? If you have a problem with me, be a man and talk to me in PM instead of trying to belittle me in Open Forums. You only serve to make a fool out of yourself.
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lol that wasn't jayjay that has "beef" with you
Anyways...this thread is getting wayy off topic...
I hope a few of our responses helped you Mason

I think everyone needs to relax instead of getting heated. Its unnecessary for everyone to be on the verge of battle all the time. Let's all just continue to help everyone learn and guide people in the right direction.

I will admit to being wrong. The question is you say "guide," everyone keeps saying we should "guide" the noobs.
Look at this Post and tell me how I could be more clear in guiding someone to the Wikis, Stickies, and Search?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2363434&postcount=4
zeezee, I think jayjay does think he's holier than me. I refer to post #5.
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im just saying all the senior members can be a little preachy at times, just have to look at our wording before we post. i got flamed too thats why i go out of my way be asking if theyve tried first, its not really you i have beef with, i just keep expecting senior members to be horrible so i get picky sometimes
so sorry jimmy, just trying to say we should teach not preach
(insert inappropriate catholosism joke here)

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im just saying all the senior members can be a little preachy at times, just have to look at our wording before we post. i got flamed too thats why i go out of my way be asking if theyve tried first, its not really you i have beef with, i just keep expecting senior members to be horrible so i get picky sometimes
so sorry jimmy, just trying to say we should teach not preach
(insert inappropriate catholosism joke here)
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That's cool. I respect or opinion. But please do help me out and reword my "sermon," if you will.
BTW Be careful though, you are almost a "Senior Member" yourself, you'll get all crotchety and mean like the rest of us soon.

i dont think im holier than anyone
i dont even know how to flash a rom mainly because ive never nedded to. bu6t when the time will come ill research it then
all im saying is theres a lot of senmems that scare people away with flaming and i did properly read you post, i realise you could have said a lot worse
we should all be a team

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I will admit to being wrong. The question is you say "guide," everyone keeps saying we should "guide" the noobs.
Look at this Post and tell me how I could be more clear in guiding someone to the Wikis, Stickies, and Search?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2363434&postcount=4
zeezee, I think jayjay does think he's holier than me. I refer to post #5.
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Which is why I said continue to do so . I think it's really all just a big misunderstanding!

JimmyMcGee said:
Consider this a friendly warning. Eight Posts in seven new threads, not a good start. You are violating the "laws of the land." Search for your answer. Read the Wikis and Stickies! Post your question in relevant thread.
I have over 1000 posts and I've created 0 threads. Because I post my questions in relevant threads.
Anyway, Welcome to XDA-Developers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=681487&postcount=1
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I don't see anything wrong with this post. Jimmy was not being rude or arrogant in his response. He was merely informing a new user that the rules of XDA-Developers require a member (junior, standard, or senior) to search existing threads prior to creating new threads.
The most common rebuttal to the search requirement is: "Other forums don't require this..." While I'm sure that's true on a fair number of other sites, it only contributes to making the site look like an 8 year old's room. One reason that it is so easy to find information on XDA-Developers is because of the search-before-posting policy.

ha ha i kno ill be a senior member the false teeth are in a cup of water
hell i cant wait till someone asks me to be an admin so i can does this in just a robe
ha ha
u worded there sermon fine, i just dont read good
lets start the church of HTCology (no Cruises allowed{tom not touch})

I agree with all that.
If I'm coming across rude, I apologize. If you think I need to reword let me know.

Iphone Beer and iwash apps for Diamond?

Hey all,
This is my first post on here so be gentle please!
I just got a touch Diamond and i love it, My boss got the new iphone and he has all those apps where u press a button and it fills with beer or a chick comes out and washes the inside of the screen. What i am wondering is, Is there any like those for the Diamond? Or could any of you very kind developers hack one or make one that would work?
I mainly want the one where the chick comes out an cleans my screen coz im a perv!!
Thanks in advance!

I have seen pretty much everything else from the iphone come over to our phones so I'm sure it is out there somewhere (cannot say that I have seen it yet though)

i know its early days at the mo, so i dont mind waiting for this stuff but if anyone has or does see anything like these two apps for the Diamond then id really be interested !
ibeer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3MfQIswl3k
iwash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqkKhh45df8&feature=related
ipopcorn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toROK6C5U-Q

really, really very important subject and posted not in "diamond", no.....it has to be started in "ROM development"...keep spamming! keep pushing the real important stuff to the 2nd and 3rd pages with yr spam. please read the rules, read a few posts, understand the way this forum is build and only than post. no, there is no development of beer/popcorn gifs/effects here ! iPhone needs this kind of stuff to be appealing and to make ppl forget that it is not coming even close to the the apps of diamond. yes, judging by his size he can be good at making popcorn!
where are the mods? where?

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really, really very important subject and posted not in "diamond", no.....it has to be started in "ROM development"...keep spamming! keep pushing the real important stuff to the 2nd and 3rd pages with yr spam. please read the rules, read a few posts, understand the way this forum is build and only than post.QUOTE]
He's right guys, this isnt the place to post or ask for this kind of Icrap.
If you want to post about such stuff,go to diamond general forum. And keep this place ONLY for ROM development. thank you.
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mightycaz said:
Hey all,
This is my first post on here so be gentle please!
Thanks in advance!
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Post in the right place or.... all your base are belong to us.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that is all.
Mod.. please move this outta here. And feel free to delete this this comment also.

@mightycaz:
Thats no app. Thats a video in fullscreen. Even the Today-Screen is faked.
You start the video, then 7 seconds it shows the Today-Screen, then it fills in the Beer. Same with the naked girl...
sorry guy
.... and pls move this thread!

There is a post in the this topic about a lightsaber app that uses the acceleromitor (SP?), and i noticed none of you guys had gone in there to flame the guy who made that post!
Surely these are the same kind of things, The beer app isnt a video. As i said in my fist post my boss has the iphone an that app an it's no video, it moves as you move you're phone around.
If you have a problem with where a post is put then all you had to do was alert a mod or ask for it to be moved not go an Epeen mission. I signed up to these forums because ive been reading through them for about 2 years lookin for advice or cool apps for my older PDA's that ive had an this didnt seem like the kind of place where people were arse's for no reason!
I guess i was wrong.

There is a post in the this topic about a light saber app that uses the acceleromitor (SP?),
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no, the post is in the "diamond" section not "diamond rom development"
the guy posted where this kind of things should be posted and he posted an application not questions about some hypothetical, nonexistent applications.
the space in this forum and in the first page specialy is "expensive".
ppl are watching posts regarding ROMs and important stuff related to diamond. each time a noob start a thread like yrs he pushes the really important stuff to the next pages.
what's so difficult to understand and to accept? why argue?!
nobody asked from you explanations or apologies. all we are asking you is to stop. come and check the forum from time to time and if there will be such an application you'll see it posted exactly like the saber....got it?
one thing more...stop asking here stuff that you see on iPhone...this is a diamond forum and we don't really love the "i" word.
now, are we OK? should i explain it to you again? with simpler words? should i bring here a few more members to ask you nicely to "let it go"????
Thank you for helping us keep this forum clean and please don't slam the door!
P.S.
congrats to your boss for his fine taste and choice of PDA!

mightycaz said:
i know its early days at the mo, so i dont mind waiting for this stuff but if anyone has or does see anything like these two apps for the Diamond then id really be interested !
ibeer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3MfQIswl3k
iwash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqkKhh45df8&feature=related
ipopcorn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toROK6C5U-Q
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Well, that's cool. The first time...

So you got flamed, so what?! the point of that is you have to learn from it. and if you have read these forums for two years you should know by now to post in the correct thread and the correct forum for your questions or needed advice. Everyone here is willing to point you in the right direction but some people react different to wrong posts etc.. but hey,eveybody is different and also you can have a bad day or be cranky,so dont be sad about it, just go to the right forum and thread and someone will help u if they can. keep the peace. greetings

I want the one where a girl actually apears out of nothing Cleans the drewl from my chin, then from my phone and then magicly makes a thread move to different forums.
That would be kewl.
I've taken a look at some of the apps.
They got one mayor Plus.
They look good.
But most of them aren' t that functional. (from what i've seen)
But that might also change.
Chapeau Steve Jobs, for bringing out this SDk that will allow for all these great apps that most consumers seem to want.
Is there a Remote Desktop app for the Iphone BTW?
I like general ChitChat.
As long as it stays just that Chit Chat.

Positivity!

I have experienced growing tensions in this part of the forum for a while. People flaming each other here and there because of things that is best left ignored or easily solved. I'm not perfect but here's my way of thinking and I think this forum would thrive if all flamers would stick to it.
Be positive. Have a gentle mindset when it comes to reporting bugs/issues you might have. If someone tells you to search, try yourself, ask them for a search term or just explain what you searched for and how you could not find it. It someone asks you something, don't go hating on the person for asking a dumb question, you have the choice to either ignore or help. Flaming should not be an option. DO NOT FLAME AND USE DOWNGRADING WORDS, PLEASE.
Today, someone expressed their feelings about itje's Touch IT 9.0 ROM and this has led to Touch IT being a closed ROM only availible to those who is friends with itje or those who he chooses to take part of his release group. This could have easily been avoided if certain words hade not been put into use. Please, think for a second before posting you negative answers. It has effects on other cooks and forum members.
Thanks
/F

I am very new to this forum. This is only my second post. But i have been here for 1 month now and i agree with you.
I have been on many forums that has users who uses negative answers and forgive me if i sound little harsh to itje and all others who coock ROM's. But this is the internet. There will always be someone who don't like what you or me are doing.
Sure i would also be sad if too many say they don't like what i am doing but this would aspire me to do better.
If i could coock ROM's like you in this forum could then i would do so even if someone doesn't like it.
Sorry if someone doesn't like what i'm saying but i have been on many forums where people have left because someone doesn't like what they are doing.
And i don't understand that. I'm sorry but i don't.
That's all for me. Hope itje will release his ROM's to the public again becuase i like his work.

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Be positive. Have a gentle mindset when it comes to reporting bugs/issues you might have. If someone tells you to search, try yourself, ask them for a search term or just explain what you searched for and how you could not find it. It someone asks you something, don't go hating on the person for asking a dumb question, you have the choice to either ignore or help. Flaming should not me an option. DO NOT FLAME AND USE DOWNGRADING WORDS, PLEASE.
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funny that! i have been saying this all along! look at my post in the old thread 'everyone is a cooking master these days'. now there is a thread that should never have been started but which highlighted they way things have gone on here! some people who have been on here longer than others for some reason class themselves as above others and feel they have the right to make assumptions about people by their posts!. some might have seen my post in the touch-it 9 thread re the sms issue that was plaguing latest rhodium manila. if ya look you will see fards response to me posting my issues in that thread! basically he assumed that he knew about who i was by that and told me that i needed to get married etc to understand how itje felt about people posting probs over and over again. now i got offended by that cause one he doesn't know me and 2 what gives him the right to address me like that! NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE has the right to disrespect anyone's opinion or choice to do what they want on here within the regs. i will not stand any **** from anyone who thinks they have the right to chat to me like they know me! i try roms in fact i try all the roms posted on here just to see how they work! i hooked up wid WC because he respects me and vice versa. this place is about sharing and helping others and unfortunately we must have been like that once - a noob! remember your 1st flash and somethign went wrong! how panicky you felt and ya just posted without searching as ya may have felt ya broke ya phone etc. we all do it and thats what make us human! i respect everyone and i have no bad vibes wid anyone........... WC I love ya man. took me on face value and showed me love!

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funny that! i have been saying this all along! look at my post in the old thread 'everyone is a cooking master these days'. now there is a thread that should never have been started but which highlighted they way things have gone on here! some people who have been on here longer than others for some reason class themselves as above others and feel they have the right to make assumptions about people by their posts!. some might have seen my post in the touch-it 9 thread re the sms issue that was plaguing latest rhodium manila. if ya look you will see fards response to me posting my issues in that thread! basically he assumed that he knew about who i was by that and told me that i needed to get married etc to understand how itje felt about people posting probs over and over again. now i got offended by that cause one he doesn't know me and 2 what gives him the right to address me like that! NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE has the right to disrespect anyone's opinion or choice to do what they want on here within the regs. i will not stand any **** from anyone who thinks they have the right to chat to me like they know me! i try roms in fact i try all the roms posted on here just to see how they work! i hooked up wid WC because he respects me and vice versa. this place is about sharing and helping others and unfortunately we must have been like that once - a noob! remember your 1st flash and somethign went wrong! how panicky you felt and ya just posted without searching as ya may have felt ya broke ya phone etc. we all do it and thats what make us human! i respect everyone and i have no bad vibes wid anyone........... WC I love ya man. took me on face value and showed me love!
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You have the right as much as anyone to get angry, but this is not what this thread is about. I am, through this thread, asking everyone to reconsider the things they have written before they post it so that we can avoid leaving cookers, hurt feelings and sold devices. Simply a request.

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You have the right as much as anyone to get angry, but this is not what this thread is about. I am, through this thread, asking everyone to reconsider the things they have written before they post it so that we can avoid leaving cookers, hurt feelings and sold devices. Simply a request.
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misunderstood mate as always! i totally agree wid what you said and was listing an example of how i have experienced what ya chat about! never angry mate as words dont bother! just dont like assumptions being made about me by what i have posted! rememba i am cool, live cool and dont stress anything!
so you are suggesting that 'cooks' have sold devices because of what people post without thinking? come on man i assume we are all mature on here and have some form of tolerance level for the things we expect to get on here be it negative or positive! in life we have take the good and bad in everything and everyone! you need to know what to ignore and what ya take on board! it is all about choice mate everything in life is about that!

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misunderstood mate as always! i totally agree wid what you said and was listing an example of how i have experienced what ya chat about! never angry mate as words dont bother! just dont like assumptions being made about me by what i have posted! rememba i am cool, live cool and dont stress anything!
so you are suggesting that 'cooks' have sold devices because of what people post without thinking? come on man i assume we are all mature on here and have some form of tolerance level for the things we expect to get on here be it negative or positive! in life we have take the good and bad in everything and everyone! you need to know what to ignore and what ya take on board! it is all about choice mate everything in life is about that!
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Exactly - choice. Many people choose to flame when the mature thing is to just help or ignore, or simply search or ask again nicely. I'm sorry I missunderstood you post as angry.
To further answer, what I suggest is that fards sold his X1 for a Touch HD, if it was because he was tired of the mood in this part of the forum or not I do not know. itje has chosen to not make his ROMs public and as a result of this I read that one person was planning on selling their X1. It all has a domino effect. If it is right of these persons to react like they do is debatable, but they are entitled to their own reaction. The thing is that I don't think that people are aware of the consequences of being rude.
That is why I started this thread - so that people can avoid to piss each other off and so that we can have a helpful and productive forum.

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Exactly - choice. Many people choose to flame when the mature thing is to just help or ignore, or simply search or ask again nicely. I'm sorry I missunderstood you post as angry.
To further answer, what I suggest is that fards sold his X1 for a Touch HD, if it was because he was tired of the mood in this part of the forum or not I do not know. itje has chosen to not make his ROMs public and as a result of this I read that one person was planning on selling their X1. It all has a domino effect. If it is right of these persons to react like they do is debatable, but they are entitled to their own reaction. The thing is that I don't think that people are aware of the consequences of being rude.
That is why I started this thread - so that people can avoid to piss each other off and so that we can have a helpful and productive forum.
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do you think that requesting donations has some part to play with the way people post? i think that no money is free and certain people donate and expect something in return! if they don't get that then they seem to get angry and it reflects in post! i am not saying that only people who donate do that in any way. i honestly think that donations should only go to the people who started this whole xda thing and keep it running! also the people who release the kitchens as they make rom building possible! i just feel that when you take from people even if its donated there is a certain amount of pressure and expectancy that comes with that! when it is not delivered the reaction can be severe thus the recent backlash in certain threads! only my opinion!
@ your response to my question - people change their phones all the time as i get bored wid phones so quickly thats why i got so many! 2 weeks max and i need something else to play with! so if i get em all then i can use a diff one everyday! i am sure the people who suggested that they may sell their phones or who already have done are mature enough to recognize that it was not this forum or anything said in it that caused that to happen! any way i'm out! said ma peice and thats that!

shingers5;3867296if ya look you will see fards response to me posting my issues in that thread! basically he assumed that he knew about who i was by that and told me that i needed to get married etc to understand how itje felt about people posting probs over and over again. now i got offended by that cause one he doesn't know me and 2 what gives him the right to address me like that! [/QUOTE said:
YET AGAIN YOU COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WROTE!
do we need to go over that all over again?
ah f*ck it I give up!
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What about to set some report thing that would make like a % warn except it would say % flamer and than people would wach their reputation?
Also you could click report flame/spam post and if enough people would think it is spam it would tag the user and make that post fade.... (like on thottbot http://thottbot.com/i13262 you can see the good comments are yelow and comments with rating lower than 5 arent even shown (but you can change the treshold)
Maybe a filter "do not show post from users marked flamers more than 30 times"
This is a developers forum; I'm sure there is some folks who can write a thing or two to make the forums better
Just throwing ideas here, because I belive people can't change based on one post (specialy the flamers and spammers don't), so why not a more direct approach...

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YET AGAIN YOU COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WROTE!
do we need to go over that all over again?
ah f*ck it I give up!
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stop being so damn melodramatic and no need to swear. bottom line is ya had no right to say it and instead of being a mature and apologize ya try to make it look like i am dragging it out! i find this hilarious all this!

Time and time again the same problems occur,
I've been on this forum for years.
and to be honest it is getting boring (this is meant in general and not aimed at anyone)
how much skill has this forum lost because of this *****iness.
im sorry, this has got to stop,
I Love the roms and support the likes of (but not limited to) ITJE and fards contribute to the forum, and respect the work that they do, as such i would never flame them, everyone should have this level f respect and in return the cooks and specialist should return the favor
this is why i have suggested in the past that cooks have read only release threads, this way, found faults, fixes updates etc can be kept together. a seperate thread can then be made to discuss faults.
I dunno just rambling now and adding no value, please ignore me

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Time and time again the same problems occur,
I've been on this forum for years.
and to be honest it is getting boring (this is meant in general and not aimed at anyone)
how much skill has this forum lost because of this *****iness.
im sorry, this has got to stop,
I Love the roms and support the likes of (but not limited to) ITJE and fards contribute to the forum, and respect the work that they do, as such i would never flame them, everyone should have this level f respect and in return the cooks and specialist should return the favor
this is why i have suggested in the past that cooks have read only release threads, this way, found faults, fixes updates etc can be kept together. a seperate thread can then be made to discuss faults.
I dunno just rambling now and adding no value, please ignore me
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I think that made perfectly good sense man Thanks for understanding what I meant with this thread.

I dont know, but flaming goes both ways in this forum or any other forum as a matter of fact.
a. A newbie comes in and asks a question, some chefs flip out and be like read the bloody first page or other works I did in a not so mild manner. True I believe that they should have read the instructions on the first page in highlighted color, but no need to come off as an asshat towards anyone.
b. a newbie flashes their rom to one of the customs, I believe that the guy who flashed their rom have no right to be like this is **** i lost some of my features. That is a serious slap in the face for the chef who put in their hard work to create this rom. Remember chefs are doing this for us for free, we are not obligated to flash ... we flash by our own accord and have to agree to some sort of disclaimer about device performance when flashed. So if you flash, and have some issues, take a look at the first page for their bugs, if not do an in thread search for the exact same problem that you are having, chances are you would find the solution.
c. This one is a classic ... someone asks a question, quickly some guys reply, do a damn search, stating comments that people are idiots or something to the sort ... basically flaming the question poster hard making it seems that the question poster wasted this amount of time or bandwidth on their part. I swear some flamers are extremely melodramatic, waiting for every chance to get off on someone and secretly high five someone in their society.

bottom line is guys, chill out take it easy. this here isnt a life or death situation, you wont die if you do a quick search on something, nor you wont die if you just help someone in a polite manner or maybe just ignore them.

ahhhhhh, the irony

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that's the problem. Imho this isn't anymore a developer forum. In the last 2 year as winmobile widely spreads up (because of carriers, mode, prettier devices and so on) this has become a 50% dev and 50% leech forum. 20% of leech are going to become future devs and want to "learn", the last 30% are only noobs who wants "free lunch" and pretend to be 100% assisted to make their device cooler. I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
we have to try to resist

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that's the problem. Imho this isn't anymore a developer forum. In the last 2 year as winmobile widely spreads up (because of carriers, mode, prettier devices and so on) this has become a 50% dev and 50% leech forum. 20% of leech are going to become future devs and want to "learn", the last 30% are only noobs who wants "free lunch" and pretend to be 100% assisted to make their device cooler. I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
we have to try to resist
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I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
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Itje, I agreed. And this one is the quote of the today.

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. I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
we have to try to resist
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so because someone writes this does it give anyone the right to disrespect them and talk down to them! what right has anyone on here got to talk down to anyone because of what they wrote! no one has the right end off! can you imagine your reaction if someone spoke to you in a similar fashion because of a stupid post! so called devs need to understand that because of the quality of work they produce they have amassed a following. that in its pure sense is a compliment to their work! learning to embrace whats pure and shun whats not is they key! in life there is good and bad in everything and people never remember you for the good you do in life. they only ever remember that one time ya slipped up, fuked up or didnt live up to expected standards! thats human nature and we all have done it at one time or another in our lives! ignoring the stupid posts, pm etc is the key! block dem of your messenger etc.

!!!!! Discussion and opinions Thread !!!!!

First of all I open this new thread so that the users who have need to discussion about everything they will; that they can do it in this thread!!!!!!
I'm a person who live in a free country so I don't have the intention to ask to stop giving your opinion; but I find that if you need to change your opinion you must also respect the creator from the thread you do it in!!
I don't find it courteous to do it in a thread from someone else!!
So have respect to the people who have open his thread to give something to us and don't fill it with your opinions and discussions, and let his thread clean!
I open this thread so we can discuss about everything you want!!
@ the moderators!!
Sorry that I opened this thread but I was sad to see in several thread more posts about discussions with opinions from a work!! If you are not agreement with me, you can this thread!
[Mod edit] Thread has been close by request of the OP.

Thank god
I'm starting to get bored with dinik vs the world that appears to be taking hostage of others peoples thread.
I'm not backing any sides I see both points of views but to hijack someone else's thread isn't fair on the originator.No doubt its still going to happen but at least they can now slag each other off in this thread opposed to stealing the limelight from others who decide to share in a public forum like this.
I'll shut up now and let the *****ing commence
Cheers kurt

I guess I will start it off with this then...
Happy Fathers day everyone!!!

wolfee said:
I guess I will start it off with this then...
Happy Fathers day everyone!!!
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lol!

hi,
i'm David and i have a problem!!!!
is not long time i'm addicted , but yes i'am ....

huggy_72 said:
hi,
i'm David and i have a problem!!!!
is not long time i'm addicted , but yes i'am ....
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trying to remove dink from my phone but even when i change it by JWD but it still show in my quick link ant suggestion

Sorry but I don't really see the need for this thread. The mature route would be to handle
disagreements via pm rather than publically flaming and humiliating them. I would rather see the moderators putting a stop to this behaviour and not allowing it to go on at all.

Pandemoniumone said:
Sorry but I don't really see the need for this thread. The mature route would be to handle
disagreements via pm rather than publically flaming and humiliating them. I would rather see the moderators putting a stop to this behaviour and not allowing it to go on at all.
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I agree, but a lot of people DO comment in the open, for different reasons. This may help to alleviate off-topic discussion in other threads, it may not.
This does not have to be a Flame war thread, opinions can be shared with civility.
EDIT: Happy Father's Day!

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trying to remove dink from my phone but even when i change it by JWD but it still show in my quick link ant suggestion
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no chance you can only destroy your phone, sorry

Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out...
I started skinning for myself, and for fun, but when everyone seemed to like my work, I was happy to share what I do with everyone on xda, as that is what this community is all about, sharing. Also i have posted some rules, as i wanted to stay the set high quality. And i think the rules where fair for all.
However, since the success of Anastasia, I feel things are getting out of hand.. I didn't mind when people used some of my work, it made me feel proud and so I kept devleloping Anastasia for both me and xda... However the reason I teamed up with Miri in making the rom was because I thought people would like all my work in one easy to get to place, and it gave Miri's rom a nice, INDIVIDUAL theme.
HOWEVER, now DJC has suggested people rip my rom's files to put my work onto other roms, I am quite angry as I have specifically said that the files are exclusive.
But people went against my will and took my work, when I said not to do, and so I understandably got annoyed, however it seems I have become everyones enemy, when all I set out to do was have fun skinning different aspects of my phone....spending countless hours to give you all something unique and nice for FREE.
I don't see what is wrong with my decision? I provided a fair amount of cabs to skin alot of the phone on my thread that can be found [Here] and then said that any extra bits are exclusively for my rom, What is wrong with that? If there was nothing exclusive, then all the rom's would be the same, and Rom flashing could get boring for some people...
So here is what I have decided...
I will continue to do my work, as long as it doesn't start any more arguments, and I shall follow the rules I set out already. If anyone breaks them, or if another argument starts again, I will very likely stop skinning on xda all together, as it is starting to feel like more of a chore than a hobby...
So please, do not release my work, or any modification of my work, anywhere, You are free to modify what I do for personal use, but just don't release it. Also please dont re-upload my work anywhere else, please always just provide a link to where you originally found it on my thread, this way I can keep a better track of how many people download it.
Ah and btw...i decided not to post any cabs only because of some users hear...that again only anger abot me and my works...and ignored my wishes by copying my works without asking for permission...and without puting any credits! So now that people are forcing me again to do a next decision that i dont want (quit posting everything).

@Dinik, I can respect your position. I just find that it is one that is not commonly taken here.
Of course, you are entitled to credit and respect, you have earned it many times over. I certainly have a high respect for your abilities.
But, to be honest seems wierd to have to avoid the use of certain elements because of exclusivity. We hack, slash, and decompile stuff as a rule of thumb around here.
Don't take this the wrong way, I will follow your rules. I would just like to try to convince you that exclusivity is not the way to go.
You have had issues with only a very small percentage of your users. No need to be upset and punish everyone. No one wants to see you fail.

dinik said:
Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out......message truncated
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with you my friend...this is unfair!!

dinik said:
Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out.....message truncated..
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i am with you

Just so you all know that this thread has been reported and is being watched.
Have a wonderful day (Fathers Day for all those that it applies to).

Justice for Dinik
vgunmanga said:
@Dinik, I can respect your position. I just find that it is one that is not commonly taken here.
Of course, you are entitled to credit and respect, you have earned it many times over. I certainly have a high respect for your abilities.
But, to be honest seems wierd to have to avoid the use of certain elements because of exclusivity. We hack, slash, and decompile stuff as a rule of thumb around here.
Don't take this the wrong way, I will follow your rules. I would just like to try to convince you that exclusivity is not the way to go.
You have had issues with only a very small percentage of your users. No need to be upset and punish everyone. No one wants to see you fail.
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exclusivity should be there for certain elements for certain period ,so that the originator gets due credit for his hard work in this community.
No one should just hijack someone else hard earned work without permission.
Really unfair.
Hope Dinik gets Justice and due credits for his hard work soon.

quinckekorotkoffqk said:
exclusivity should be there for cetain elements for certain period ,so that the originator gets due credit for his hard work in this community.
Really unfair.Hope Dinik gets Justice and due credits for his hard work soon.
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I can totally dig it if there is a exclusivity period. I have not heard a time frame discussed. I've only read that cabs will be no longer distributed and only HD2 owners on one ROM will get to use the theme.
I can handle that, but not without at least asking first. Call me a fan.

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I can totally dig it if there is a exclusivity period. I have not heard a time frame discussed. I've only read that cabs will be no longer distributed and only HD2 owners on one ROM will get to use the theme.
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i have posted i already somewhere...but again...
Originally it was planed to be 1st exclusive for rom and after some period of time...i wanted to post cabs.
But then it came to this:
i decided not to post any cabs only because of some users hear...that again only anger abot me and my works...and ignored my wishes by copying my works without asking for permission...and without puting any credits! So now that people are forcing me again to do a next decision that i dont want (quit posting everything).
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i have posted i already somewhere...but again...
Originally it was planed to be 1st exclusive for rom and after some period of time...i wanted to post cabs.
But then it came to this:
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Cheers, missed that post. I only hope time will change your mind. Peace.

dinik said:
Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out...message truncated...
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yes i have help another user and have say if he wants your files he can find them in miri's rom and he must extract them for personal use to not break the rules,your own rules(before your addition) to avoid discussion like this but you can't resist,you must have this child reaction like you have them all the time.
its clear we all know your rules today....
your crying all the time for respect but you never had respect for anyone here until you have a win situation...is this in first place not disrespect to others?
and no im not jalous but i think on all the other skinners here,with your rules and requests applyed today for each skinner then in each rom threads there will be more rules,names,donate buttons as info about the creation,i think all posts must be changed here and in the roms thread.
now you don't have made the new rule 12 that you use so much but im thinking if this rule is not made to avoid your problem that you have create here in the biginning.is this a good idea, yes but it does not and will not give you more right, that would be wrong for others.
I also think you should listen instead of always getting mad you do not even leave you time to think so that you act quickly!
so i ask you to calm down and on moderators to think about it and enforce the rules but all the same.this must stop because where is fun today on xda?
the truth is that I have never seen such situations before!
Thanks

i dont get what you wanna say djc...if you read my post once again...you gonna see that i dont want much...but give much back.
the truth is...
we artists spend time...effort...and put even love in developing our projects...for free...just to share
we deserve some rights for our projects...files...images...or what ever
but lately...i have been attacked...by some people...and they wher forcing me to go their way...or else they just didnt stopped to attack me and what im doing
i dont think that its fair...to get such responses for hard work.
its nothing wrong...if i as developer wish some small and fair rules...no rules doesent means that its the best way.
i know 90% of users like what i do...and have no problems with me and my rules...but this few people...just dont stop to anger me.
there is one ultimate rule over all others.
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE DEVELOPER OR HIS RULES OR HIS CONCEPT.
JUST DONT USE HIS WORKS. STOP SUPPORT HIM.
but this few people dont want to do that...why? because they love my work...and they use it all the time...so why do they anger me...dont know...jealous...or they want copy me to get also good responses...i dont know that.
i just wished that the moderators would more react on such post...because i didnt do nothing bad...to no one!
btw...my icon set was downloaded over 15 000x times...that tells how many people are ok with me and what im doing...and how many are screaming against me...5 or 10?