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REQUEST: NOOBZ guide and possible forum section

This is a request to all uses and moderators.
I would like to see three things.
1) Sticky's/Announcements in Kaiser General to the FAQ/GWENI/ETC. Currently these are listed in ROM development and not intuitive for a new user to find.
2) A guide for NOOBZ - while the above are invaluable resources, they don't address very basic issues. Things like:
How do I use activesync to install a CAB?
How do I do a basic registry edit
Where can I look for good software for x, y, and z
What does ROM, CID, SIM, XML mean...in general a Glossary
other basic tasks/information
I don't have the bandwidth to create such a guide right now, but if someone would like to volunteer, particularly a user who has gone through a noob to more experienced level using this site and is aware of the issues and pitfalls. It would be much appreciated...
3) A forum section for Noobz... As we have seen many posts as of late with titles like "I am a noob" , "Help me...","What software is good?",etc.
I think having this forum there would attract these posts better while appease the larger community from having to entertain these even in the general forum. Which, as some have stated should be a forum for questions not releated to the other 3, and not as a place for spoonfeeding.
If you think any of these 3 suggestions is a good idea, please post your support and or ideas.
thanks

Agree, sounds like a good idea.
My other suggestion would be to migrate to mediawiki as it just works nicer and the wiki may be developed more and be easier for noobies to get through!

good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.

thesire said:
good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.
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Im a noob and need help
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You mentioned "spoon fed" how do you do this? can you show me. Is it a .cab and if so how do i install.
Thank you and please don't flame me

thesire said:
good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.
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I agree.
However many of the "senior" or more educated members of the forum seem to get quite upset at these "noob" and/or redundant posts.
There are three ways to handle a post like this:
1) Ignore it
2) Flame it
3) Respond in a helpful manner
Ignoring it works, and it is something ALL OF US NEED TO DO MORE. Remember, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. (The Internet is encroaching more and more into the realm of real life...it has been shown more than once that bullying someone on line can have legal consequences in real life.). However, ignoring posts won't make them go away either, as there will be more since nothing is being done to educate the user or point future users in the right direction.
Flaming it serves no one any good. Stupid users won't learn, and if flaming makes you feel better, just remember you are taking up just as much (or more) of the forum resources and wasting just as much time flaming a worthless or uneducated post. Remember, fighting on the Internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded (no offense meant to the special olympics, or mentally challenged individuals...I have just always found this statement funny...and true).
Responding in a helpful manner should be the way to go if you choose not to ignore it. But, a helpful manner does not mean spoon feeding. Remember, "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime." Proactive responses such as sticky's and announcments do the most to this effect.
As a "forum" in the classical sense, this should be a place for thought and discussion. However, it is also a gathering place for the masses. The leaders of the society should strive to educate and elucidate. However this can't be done on an individual level for every single post.
No man is an island either and to be part of the greater continent that is XDA-DEVELOPERS they need to have a modicum of intellect insofar that they know how to navigate an internet site.
I would feel better knowing that we have made ALL the resources available to the masses. This way we don't need to feel bad about ignoring any posts that we deem are ignorant.

I'm sure you have all heard the old saying about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....
Rather than attempt to dispel "NOOB" queries by means such as WIKIs,FAQs and the like which clearly have proven futile, it would make more sense to come up with a method of allowing such queries in a manner that doesn't encroach on the sense of ownership of the forum that seems to prevail amongst the senior members.

bengalih said:
This is a request to all uses and moderators.
I would like to see three things.
1) Sticky's/Announcements in Kaiser General to the FAQ/GWENI/ETC. Currently these are listed in ROM development and not intuitive for a new user to find.
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As stated to you before but I'm stating so that more people can see it, I completely agree with this.
2) A guide for NOOBZ - while the above are invaluable resources, they don't address very basic issues. Things like:
How do I use activesync to install a CAB?
How do I do a basic registry edit
Where can I look for good software for x, y, and z
What does ROM, CID, SIM, XML mean...in general a Glossary
other basic tasks/information
I don't have the bandwidth to create such a guide right now, but if someone would like to volunteer, particularly a user who has gone through a noob to more experienced level using this site and is aware of the issues and pitfalls. It would be much appreciated...
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Also as you know, I have gone from newb to somewhat experienced almost solely through this site and I'll work on the bold part above this week and weekend. Here is my 1st attempt at it though.

boomermax said:
I'm sure you have all heard the old saying about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....
Rather than attempt to dispel "NOOB" queries by means such as WIKIs,FAQs and the like which clearly have proven futile, it would make more sense to come up with a method of allowing such queries in a manner that doesn't encroach on the sense of ownership of the forum that seems to prevail amongst the senior members.
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I'm not sure what the point of stating this is?
We have a new idea...the noob forum. This is in addition to refining the current methods to possibly make them more effective.
What would your method be?
I also don't feel that the senior's assume a sense of ownership. Except to the effect that without them there would be no resources and thus this site wouldn't exist and thus be visited by noobz. I think the sense is more of outrage or incredulity the same as any member of a community would have when it accumulates members who have no concept of how to function in that society.
Don't you think that some people in your community might get a little offput if they had some native tribe move in and walk around naked? Performed drum circles at 2am every night? Dump on the lawns?
It is about community upkeep, and you don't have to be a senior to do it. In fact, some seniors may be counter productive. It is about being knowledgeable of your surroundings and willing to learn the rules to properly assimilate.

i love ur writing style bengalih ur posts are always so perfectly composed

I agree as well
I am not new to the forum because I have been lurking in the shadows for a while and have not posted anything as of yet but I have to totally agree with this request as I think that it is a great idea.I know that it would help me out a lot and feel that it would help others out as well.

I also just wanted to post this private message I got from a user:
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Hello I'm [name removed] and I will be the first to say that I am new to all of this but I was reading a post and u had suggested that a "noobie Forum" might be a good idea and I would have to agree.
I have just gotten an AT&T Tilt and I have spent hours on top of hours reading in the forums here and I have to say that a lot of it is very complicated for someone like me who doesn't understand ROMs and Flashing and things like that.
I have read a lot of the post and to be honest I have had several questions that I could not find anwsers too after searching and have been terrified to post my question because of the negitivity and hostility that I have read.
The problem that I am having is that I am not understanding a lot of what is being written and am not sure what I should put on my phone or how to do it correctly.I am not stupid,ignorant,nor have I not taken the time to read and search things on this forum.
I am college educated and fairly intelligent but I am not tech savy or computer savy for that matter and I don't understand a lot of what is being said.I will admit that my phone is smarter than I am but I would like to learn how to use it more effecentally and get the most out of my phone and what it can do for me.
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I hope you senior/educated members take to heart comments like this and realize that although this isn't rocket science there are still many educated individuals that don't know where to start. Even after a user RTFM (which this user apparently did some), there is obviously a gap to get them to the next level.
We have to accept that this has become a place for the PPC masses and we can either ignore the pleas for help or do something to assist in the long term.
On the flip-side to you noobs... don't get over your head. You don't buy a junker or a tuner if you're not a mechanic, and you don't try to paint the Mona Lisa if you're just a dilletante. If you are in a position where you can't understand things even after hours of research you may want to get your feet wet in something else (like a basic computer class), or you can always buy from Apple . This stuff isn't for everyone, and unfortunately nothing we do will make it so.

bengalih said:
I'm not sure what the point of stating this is?
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First off I began writing the previously posted comment prior to your well spoken post above.
The ownership I spoke of was reference to the few senior members that feel a need to reply to every single post by redundantly pointing out the redundancy of others.
My suggestion was to avoid the attempt of "pre-answering" all possible questions. It can't be done.
Nor is it reasonable to expect all knowledge to exist on the same level. Take the analogy of communities that you spoke of (which I agreed with up until you equated elemental levels of knowledge with pooping on one's lawn).
Within all successful communities you have an acknowledged and agreed upon division of areas of education.
In other words 1st graders don't sit in the same classroom as upperclassmates...
...nor do upperclassmates refuse to graduate.

I think the idea of a noob forum sounds good, and I believe it would help separate many of the redundant posts in the general forum.......but at the same time, if those posts are separated so as not to bother the more experienced people from having to sort through them, then who is going to help them? Would we have noobs answering other noobs? I'm afraid we would end up with the blind leading the blind.
By that same token, if the experienced users decided to venture into the noob forum to help them....then separating the posts for the sake of not having to wade through them seems somewhat counter-productive.
Don't take any of this as a negative. I think putting together a collection of noob resources is a good idea, and creating a noob forum may be as well......I'm just trying to weigh the benefits with the potential problems it could cause.

I am probley the top flamer (IMO) and sometimes I flame and sometimes not. Mostly I flame people who you can honestly see from the question that they didn't look for anything. If I can find the answer in 5 minutes and you claim to have spent days, then I know you didn't search. As to the person that has read and still doesn't understand, please post. Most of the time those people come out and explain things in their question so that you can tell they actually have an understanding.
Asking a specific question about a step or a method in an educated manor is far better then say, I Are noob, what software should I install, oh and can someone literally hold my hand while I flash this rom on my phone.
If you're willing to educate yourself then it shows.
I know that I was nervous and a little scared before I flashed for the first time. I was on edge the whole time, but I knew I read over the instructions over and over.. I have read them again and again and I just don't see where the mistakes happen.
I will provide support if you need it, but you don't need it if the answer is right there, 3 posts down or if it's a well known thing.
Oh I wonder if you could keep that forum from registering in the search function.

boomermax said:
First off I began writing the previously posted comment prior to your well spoken post above.
The ownership I spoke of was reference to the few senior members that feel a need to reply to every single post by redundantly pointing out the redundancy of others.
My suggestion was to avoid the attempt of "pre-answering" all possible questions. It can't be done.
Nor is it reasonable to expect all knowledge to exist on the same level. Take the analogy of communities that you spoke of (which I agreed with up until you equated elemental levels of knowledge with pooping on one's lawn).
Within all successful communities you have an acknowledged and agreed upon division of areas of education.
In other words 1st graders don't sit in the same classroom as upperclassmates...
...nor do upperclassmates refuse to graduate.
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Agreed. Although I stand by my "pooping" comment . The fact is that all of those levels of knowledge may be perfectly acceptable in some communities, but totally unacceptable in others (ok ok, granted not too many poop on their lawns...but not that far off.).
I think you are right that we can't answer all questions, but we can try. I think if we can teach the fundamentals, and then a lower classman learns those he should be able to synthesize most of the remaining elements.
For what they can't extract from their learnings, they can ask a question on. After all, most of the info passed around here isn't new, it is synthesized and rehashed in different forms applicable to a particular issue.
I don't think we can get rid of the basic posts, the "I am a noob posts", the didn't search for this first post. But I do think putting them in another question would help.
I know it has been suggested before, and I don't know if it is possible (I have been on other forums that can do this....) But it would be great if we could limit posting to the noob forum for the first 2 weeks of someone's membership.

Valtamr said:
I think the idea of a noob forum sounds good, and I believe it would help separate many of the redundant posts in the general forum.......but at the same time, if those posts are separated so as not to bother the more experienced people from having to sort through them, then who is going to help them? ....
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I address this here

ChumleyEX said:
I am probley the top flamer (IMO) and sometimes I flame and sometimes not. Mostly I flame people who you can honestly see from the question that they didn't look for anything. ....
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I think you are far from the worst Chumley...but as a genuine question:
Why do you feel the need to flame? Why not just ignore the post?
I am not stating this rhetorically to be preachy. I am asking to figure out how we can eliminate it.
Personally I sometimes want to flame back a flamer just for contributing something just as worthless as the original post, but I refrain.
I mean, if someone came into the ROM Development forum and posted "I am a NOOB, how can I please to update my phone!!!" I would expect and even welcome the flames there. If we have to terrify the users to know their place then that's ok...the second part of that though is we NEED TO GIVE THEM A PLACE TO PUT THEM IN! That's why I think a noob forum might help.

bengalih said:
But it would be great if we could limit posting to the noob forum for the first 2 weeks of someone's membership.
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But isn't that really the point that's being refused to be acknowledged?
This is the noob forum. Senior members who have already acquired the "upper" levels of knowledge are begrudgingly noticing that not every day is a day of discovery like before and are being faced with the choice of becoming teachers or finding other sources of higher knowledge.

boomermax said:
But isn't that really the point that's being refused to be acknowledged?
This is the noob forum. Senior members who have already acquired the "upper" levels of knowledge are begrudgingly noticing that not every day is a day of discovery like before and are being faced with the choice of becoming teachers or finding other sources of higher knowledge.
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I'm not sure of your statement of "This is the noob forum"
Are you suggesting that either the "General" forum or XDA-developers in general is now for noobz?
I would whole-heartedly disagree with the latter. As for the former, General is not meant for noobz, it is meant for anything that doesn't fit in the other 3 forums (e.g, not about ROM development, not about an accessory, not about a specific piece of software).
I don't want to keep stressing the name of the site is "XDA-Developers." Just because it may be bombarded by power users or noobz, shouldn't diminish the function of the site. If the attitude starts to become "This is where noobz should be" then I think you are going to see some real problems. The least of which is that if you piss off the seniors, they WILL go somewhere else and this site will become meaningless.

well I suppose it comes from many things. As a child I was bullied and now I find myself in a situation of assumed power. Or, I feel that because spent the time to educate myself, through all the grulling threads, I have the right to do it. And like a drill Sergent , I will not be nice about teaching you to fish.
Man I gotta work on my rep.

upgrading

i currently have windows mobile 6.0....and someone told me to get threaded messages i have to upgrade to 6.1...my questions are:
will this void my warranty if i do that
is it worth it to upgrade....
and where is the best/easiest place to go to download it
and can you do it from your device
please help
thanks

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i currently have windows mobile 6.0....and someone told me to get threaded messages i have to upgrade to 6.1...my questions are:
will this void my warranty if i do that
is it worth it to upgrade....
and where is the best/easiest place to go to download it
and can you do it from your device
please help
thanks
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will this void my warranty if i do that?
yes it will; but you can always return to stock rom and spl
is it worth it to upgrade....?
that can differ from one user to another. according to some no;
and where is the best/easiest place to go to download it
you are AT THE website buddy; did you take a look around before posting?
and can you do it from your device
off of your storage card yes but not off of device.
please help
well you haven't tried anything so i don't know what to help you with. There is alot of information on here about rom upgrading/flashing etc. read the wiki related to kaiser and rom upgrading. Before flashing make sure you have HARDSPL ... again reading is crucial .. you can also click links in my sig to learn more

woo woop
No Flaming PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ahem
yes you need 6.1 to get threaded messages. you can upgrade with the world wide english rom. if you read the sticky thread at the top of the page yopu will get all the info you require

nice one the sire no flaming. thats the way this should be done
kudos

jayjay8585 said:
nice one the sire no flaming. thats the way this should be done
kudos
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In spite of the fact that the noobie has a total of FOUR (count 'em - four) posts and three of them started new threads?
Bill

whats your point
he couldve posted a lot more, theres no excuse for flaming if they **** up point them in the right direction

jayjay8585 said:
whats your point
he couldve posted a lot more, theres no excuse for flaming if they **** up point them in the right direction
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Look out Bill , the flame police are on you. Or are we just post padding with three more posts that have no point.
Woot, Woot, count me another post!

denco7 said:
Look out Bill , the flame police are on you. Or are we just post padding with three more posts that have no point.
Woot, Woot, count me another post!
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Yup - JayJay sure has his panties in a wad on this doesn't he.
Sorry JayJay - I am also a noob - even though it says senior member. But I can figure out where to post and try not to make new original posts. This gentleman has started three seperate threads - two on the same item (continuing questions to be sure - but no reason not to continue in his own original thread).
If no one tells him that this is not the correct way to do it then he will not know will he? Did you SEE any flames here? Or are you still smarting from some reprimand or perceived reprimand from the MODS or someone else?
Re: "he could have posted a lot more" - sure and then most likely he WOULD have gotten flamed.
Denco7 - other than getting you to "senior member" when you have more than 100 posts - what does the post count do for you? I certainly don't TRY to increase my post count on purpose.
Bill

whk said:
Denco7 - other than getting you to "senior member" when you have more than 100 posts - what does the post count do for you? I certainly don't TRY to increase my post count on purpose.
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Easy Bill, you only posted once, the three pointless post comment ( not a flame, before you get upset ) was for Jay's benefit.
As I sit here trying to learn more about what makes my phone work, I haven't quite decided what is more pointless and annoying, Members flaming noobs for posting incorrectly or members flaming other members for flaming noobs for posting incorrectly.
I guess I could do with/without either. Back to my studies.

LOL!.. this discussion went out of the original thread...
bad start...
THE FIRST THING NOOBS MUST DO IS READ THE WIKI, GWENI, ETC...
ALL IS ON THERE...
ALL...
AND I MEAN ALL....
(no excepting the dinner)
ALL!
Saludos

Newbies questions here please!

For noobs : Before posting a question, read this thread then if you're still in the dark ask here!
Please don't start a new thread unless you haven't found a satisfying answer here.
Welcome, and enjoy!

Maybe I should post a warez link to get the mod's attention?
COMMON people...we have 3 stickys with TouchFLO and one that hasn't been posted on since January.
Can't we please have one for noobs?

stormlv said:
Maybe I should post a warez link to get the mod's attention?
COMMON people...we have 3 stickys with TouchFLO and one that hasn't been posted on since January.
Can't we please have one for noobs?
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hey i think the mods have been replaced by clones from the iphone lab and are slowly planning on taking over the forum - then the world!!!!!!!
WILL ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!
(does that qualify for a noob post?)
agree should be a thread where any noobs can ask nooby questions without some people on here biting there heads of and scaring them away from this forum.. All of us had to start somewhere. Lets welcome in the noobs rather then send them the other way, hopefully if we can teach them how to resolve there problems they may even help others.....

agree
stormlv said:
Maybe I should post a warez link to get the mod's attention?
COMMON people...we have 3 stickys with TouchFLO and one that hasn't been posted on since January.
Can't we please have one for noobs?
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hey i think the mods have been replaced by clones from the iphone lab and are slowly planning on taking over the forum - then the world!!!!!!!
WILL ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!
(does that qualify for a noob post?)
agree should be a thread where any noobs can ask nooby questions without some people on here biting there heads of and scaring them away from this forum.. All of us had to start somewhere. Lets welcome in the noobs rather then send them the other way, hopefully if we can teach them how to resolve there problems they may even help others.....
"POWER TO THE N00B!!!!!"

I refuse to give up...I will keep "upping" this thread until I get it sticky

lol
we either get a sticky or get banned....
you sure you want to walk down this road old boy?

Nope, newbies don't search, and they certainly don't look at tacked threads.

THESpideyWVU said:
Nope, newbies don't search, and they certainly don't look at tacked threads.
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Some newbies do search but they can't find anything and for the ones that won't post silly questions here you can tell them "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION STUPID" or "WE HAVE A SEPARATE THREAD FOR NOOB QUESTIONS"

Power to the newbies!

Most n00bs are unaware of the fact that they are n00bs.
Patrick Star from Spongebob said:
Dumb people are always blissfully unaware of how dumb they really are... Uäääää
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Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2sk7hrEbMk

OMG, That's hilarious

Firefall! said:
Most n00bs are unaware of the fact that they are n00bs.
Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2sk7hrEbMk
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lol priceless.......

dilbert
any of you guys read/look at dilbert clips?

Lol guys..this is degenerating... Let's keep this just for the questions or we'll have the mods on our asses.
OH WAIT!?!?! THE MODS WERE KIDNAPPED BY ALIENS!

This is actually a really good idea but...
If you want to get a thread stickied (sic) then you really need to have some usefull information in the top post and reserve some below. This way you can maintain it to bring the good stuff to the top as it is added.
A 100 post long thread with maybe 5 bits of usefull information dotted through it really isn't helpfull. Forum search feature or not.

Yea...I might have left a few empty post...
I just thought that a thread like this just for questions wouldn't need that...It's not like you're gonna have all the questions on the first page or smth... It things would have gone well... it could have A LOT of questions...

Great its a sticky so lets see if this works........

Oh for the spark's sake, I'll start.
Not a single HD video plays on my Xperia, well Coreplayer does but its so choppy and insane. Even after converting with the Touch HD video converter software, WMP says "The source filter for this file could not be loaded."
Then I found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365381
Still nothing!
What's the deal?!

Lazerben said:
This is actually a really good idea but...
If you want to get a thread stickied (sic) then you really need to have some usefull information in the top post and reserve some below. This way you can maintain it to bring the good stuff to the top as it is added.
A 100 post long thread with maybe 5 bits of usefull information dotted through it really isn't helpfull. Forum search feature or not.
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Not the right criticism. It seems the point of this thread is not to be an encyclopedia of newbie answers (plenty of resources for that, especially mapledouglas' great web site), but rather a place where any newbie can ask a question that's been asked 100 times elsewhere, and find some generous soul to answer it. So newbie's shouldn't have to read through all the posts, just go to the end and ask the question that's nagging them!

Hi. İ cant find any solution to unlock
the SonyEricsson Xperia. Mine Enlisch
is not wery well, maby thats the problem.

[Q] Stock phone

Does anyone have a perfectly stock backup will all blot ware like it's out the box?

Yeah there are a few here. Search and you will see them!

There was a thread here where someone posted a stock ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838151
Hope this helps,
AoN

its the one click odin jf6 if you want to go all the way back to the first software that came with the captivate. search for it

another post posted in the perfect section ...

DAGr8 said:
another post posted in the perfect section ...
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this.
why do people not even pay attention to what section is what?

jess086 said:
Does anyone have a perfectly stock backup will all blot ware like it's out the box?
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Is this developement related or should this be in the QA section? I do think it belongs in the QA section. Next time post in the correct section or post will get reported as spam lol

1. Search dude. This is one of the most obvious questions I've ever seen asked here.
2. Read around the forums before posting, that goes hand-in-hand with searching...
3. Post in the right friggin' section. You have a [Q] in your tread title which means it's a question, which is fine, but its not a "Captivate Android Development" question! It belongs in the Question and Answer section. (which is amazingly obvious, it's not like they hide it from you around here)
4. The answer to your question is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989 which you didn't even need to search to find, its on the first page of the Development section which I know you looked in because you posted here.
*sigh*

The kid has two posts total. He is obviously new to the forums. So stop just repeating what everyone says. He doesn't need four people to tell him its a question and should be in the Q&A section. Don't act like its outrageous for a beginner to do something like ask a question in the development section, LIKE OMFG JESUS!! Sick of the clutter from all the questions yea, but also sick of reading all the bash posts towards people that are fresh to the forums. You were once a noob too!

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The kid has two posts total. He is obviously new to the forums. So stop just repeating what everyone says. He doesn't need four people to tell him its a question and should be in the Q&A section. Don't act like its outrageous for a beginner to do something like ask a question in the development section, LIKE OMFG JESUS!! Sick of the clutter from all the questions yea, but also sick of reading all the bash posts towards people that are fresh to the forums. You were once a noob too!
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+1 we ought to be a little patient to newbies

+2.....We were all newbs once and some of us still learning everyday. Just do some research...this is a great place to learn and get the most of your device.
Sent from my cog bacon cappy...

diablo009 said:
+1 we ought to be a little patient to newbies
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No, we shouldn't. Threads like these impair actual threads that get pushed to page two.
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silverslotcar said:
The kid has two posts total. He is obviously new to the forums. So stop just repeating what everyone says. He doesn't need four people to tell him its a question and should be in the Q&A section. Don't act like its outrageous for a beginner to do something like ask a question in the development section, LIKE OMFG JESUS!! Sick of the clutter from all the questions yea, but also sick of reading all the bash posts towards people that are fresh to the forums. You were once a noob too!
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I have to agree with this 100%. When I first started I didn't even realize I could search the forums or threads. Instead of someone pointing out to me there was search and explain how it works I was unbelievably verbally beaten to a bloody pulp about what an idiot I was. Even today I was taken to task for a post that cites a measure of rom's performance instead of the accepted evaluations we see day in and day out-fantastic, great, best, unbelievably fast. To me the true evaluation of a rom has to be functionality and some measure. If you do not think Quadrant scores, net speed tests and Lin pack scores measure performance tell me what does. I understand e mail works, videos play, I can make phone calls etc. That tells me how the rom functions. How do you measure a rom's performance other than to say fantastic, great, good etc.? Tell me.

All the "this is in the wrong forum, dude" posts are not about development either, so you're all off topic.
Spend less time bashing, and more time helping the new forum members.
The internet doesn't need more assholes, just more manners and good examples.
AoN

So just because someone is new to the forums we give them some leeway because they can't READ? Seriously guys it doesn't matter how new you are, if you have a question, put it in the Question and Answers thread. Almost every website has a search function, they aren't hard to find, so that excuse of "I didn't know" is pretty bogus.

DemonWav said:
So just because someone is new to the forums we give them some leeway because they can't READ? Seriously guys it doesn't matter how new you are, if you have a question, put it in the Question and Answers thread. Almost every website has a search function, they aren't hard to find, so that excuse of "I didn't know" is pretty bogus.
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I've learned my way around on my own for the most part, but damn yall still intimidate me...

odin restore man...read up next time

DemonWav said:
So just because someone is new to the forums we give them some leeway because they can't READ? Seriously guys it doesn't matter how new you are, if you have a question, put it in the Question and Answers thread. Almost every website has a search function, they aren't hard to find, so that excuse of "I didn't know" is pretty bogus.
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this.
just because they are new we are supposed to let them fill the wrong forums up with clutter that they could have easily found by a simple browse around or search?
no.
thats not how it should be handled.
gimme gimme gimme! just doesnt sit well with me.

How hard is it for a moderator to do their job and move the thread to Q & A or to delete it?? If they did you guys would have no argument that it "pushes" the other threads to page two. I still don't get it......Seems to me like ppl are making a big deal out of nothing.

silverslotcar said:
How hard is it for a moderator to do their job and move the thread to Q & A or to delete it?? If they did you guys would have no argument that it "pushes" the other threads to page two. I still don't get it......Seems to me like ppl are making a big deal out of nothing.
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when you are reading these forums every day trying to see whats going on in the dev world, all you see on the front page are [Q] threads, posted in the wrong section. then we have to filter out all the BS and try to find useful info, when it should be right there, easily accessible, which is the point of breaking up the sections of the forums....
it's clutter
and the mods do a good job of moving them, but the n00bs come in here and post the BS so fast, its impossible to keep up.

[Q] Want Windows 7 on Touch HD ------^

Hi all,
Can anyone please help me out with windows 7 rom for my touch hd, i really want to get it, cause it looks cool. please it would be nice if you could give me the link.

Great idea! Except for the part where it is a looooot of work (if it even can be done), and the part where it will lagg like **** on our HD's because we've got about 35% of the speed needed to run WP7 smoothly.
summary: if you want WP7 you should buy a new phone

@OP: and why do you post it here?
it is a general question,and has nothing to do with development,
for God's sake are you literate,and do you understand word development
@all of you who post new threads and don't give **** about the forum itself: ...come on read a bit,everything is in stickies,wiki and general...even fallen spartan is somewhere around all the time,do you really have to torture the poor guy,he maybe has wife or children or pretty much anything that is more important than sitting here and constantly saying "thread moved,thread closed"
just read and spare everyone pain in the ass
@everyone else: treat this as noob bashing i don't care....flame me i care even less, these guys just drive me crazy because they are so lazy that they don't even read before posting (not to mention searching or something more complex like thinking)
@everyone (including all those who aren't mentioned above): have mercy for our mods,they are people too,don't **** in their front yard

farukb said:
@OP: and why do you post it here?
it is a general question,and has nothing to do with development,
for God's sake are you literate,and do you understand word development
@all of you who post new threads and don't give **** about the forum itself: ...come on read a bit,everything is in stickies,wiki and general...even fallen spartan is somewhere around all the time,do you really have to torture the poor guy,he maybe has wife or children or pretty much anything that is more important than sitting here and constantly saying "thread moved,thread closed"
just read and spare everyone pain in the ass
@everyone else: treat this as noob bashing i don't care....flame me i care even less, these guys just drive me crazy because they are so lazy that they don't even read before posting (not to mention searching or something more complex like thinking)
@everyone (including all those who aren't mentioned above): have mercy for our mods,they are people too,don't **** in their front yard
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Chill down , brave guardian, 'cause it looks like you gone blow up anytime!
And... watch your language!?

The answer to your question
[Q] Want Windows 7 on Touch HD ------^
is
Yes I do.
But, if you are asking where to start, I think wiki is the place !!!!!!!!

bib*oops said:
Chill down , brave guardian, 'cause it looks like you gone blow up anytime!
And... watch your language!?
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nah, i don't blow that easily,but people just won't read or do anything by themselves...i mean all of us were noobs once we know how it was,but i can say for myself that i always read as much as i could before asking
what's that with guardian?...if you are saying that because kwbr's thread...what's wrong with informing people that they posted it in wrong place and making an example what not to do to others?

Ok, this is not my forum, but I just want to put out a few words.
I feel honored about the way you think highly of the forum and mods, farukb. But seriously, relax. Just use the "report post button" on top of a post if you feel it's not in the right section, or against the rules. We mods get these reports instantly and we'll be in here before you write your witty reply.
I've reported this now, so the FSM (forum specific mod) can action this.
Oh, and be nice for the noobies, they have to learn the xda ways.

i just became fed up with couch potatoes...
check last 3 days and see that there were several threads that didn't fit into specific subforums...i mean what is the problem with reading the subforum name?..not to mention anything else
in other hand if someone asks for some guide or explanation that is backed up with some reading or searching effort,i'm glad to help
...but anyway, roger that, neo....
one more thing...it is a good to be able to learn from your mistakes,but it is even better to be able to learn from other people's mistakes
cheers everyone

farukb said:
one more thing...it is a good to be able to learn from your mistakes,but it is even better to be able to learn from other people's mistakes
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And with that, let's end the discussion. People, please READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING, to prevent discussions like these.
Thank you.

I've decided to close this thread as it serves no purpose. Firstly OP decided not to follow forum rules by searching and reading beforehand, and secondly posted in the wrong forum
Its posts like this which winds people up and starts flamewars
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