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(Possibly) dumb GPS questions...

I apologise in advance if this is deemed "answered" - I've read but remain a little uncertain about finer details...
I am in the market for my first smart-phone... which I intend to use primarily to read email and access the web (over Wi-Fi and on a cellular network); secondarily as an emergency modem for my laptop (if I find myself cut-off from the net) - and finally, though least importantly, for pedestrian navigation.
I've been considering the Atermis, but without 3G I doubt that would meet all my communications needs. The Trinity looked absolutely perfect - except that it lacked GPS... and now I find it kind-of has that feature. I wouldn't mind waiting for a couple of months to get a legitimate upgrade ROM - and I'd even willingly pay a modest sum for that... Reliability is one of my key concerns. I'd consider hacking it if there were to be absolutely no alternative - but I can be patient for a month or two... if I know it will become available.
So, my questions are:
* Will I be in the same boat with respect to GPS no-matter which Trinity I buy? I.e. Are all Trinity devices identical from a hardware perspective, or are there minor revisions which might prove relevant?
* Would it be most prudent to hold-off buying a Trinity until an official GPS enabled ROM has been released?
I don't want to be forced to choose between 3G and GPS - both are key features I want... (though I expect to require the use of GPS less frequently.)
Is now a good time to buy a Trinity, or... a good time to wait?

Depends on your preference and your GPS usage frequency, that you may consider getting yourself a GPS 'mouse' that is less than the size of a deck of playing cards, which you can happily dump that in your car/pocket in cases you need to use a GPS.

steve_h said:
Is now a good time to buy a Trinity, or... a good time to wait?
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Write to HTC and explain that you will buy a Trinity only if they commit to releasing the ROM update within a certain timeframe. Let's see what they reply. If GPS is really important for you I wouldn't buy before they take the commitment.
Buying something that you already know you have to tamper with to make it work the way you like is buying without warranty because you will void it on day one!

hanmin said:
Depends on your preference and your GPS usage frequency
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Absolutely... I doubt I'd use the GPS functionality very frequently - but, I also doubt that I'd be able to anticipate when I would need it. For this reason I'm definitely in favour of having it built-in to the device... any other way and Murphy's-law would dictate that I didn't have the GPS receiver on me when I need it. Hence it would be as useless to me as a standalone sat-nav unit that is always in a different city when I'm lost.
anonimo said:
Write to HTC and explain that you will buy a Trinity only if they commit to releasing the ROM update within a certain timeframe. Let's see what they reply. If GPS is really important for you I wouldn't buy before they take the commitment.
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That's not a bad idea - though I doubt that one customer's threat would make all that much of a difference... I suspect that they'd like me to buy the Atermis now and upgrade by buying a Mk.2 Trinity in a few months - to maximise their bottom line. I think that they know that the Trinity is a compelling option without GPS - and that they probably know that there isn't much competition in their market space for a 3G+802.11 Phone/PDA.
anonimo said:
Buying something that you already know you have to tamper with to make it work the way you like is buying without warranty because you will void it on day one!
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This is very significant... It doesn't absolutely rule the device out - but, for comparison purposes, I assume that being forced to invalidate the warranty is roughly equivalent to doubling or trebling the price... and, with a device which isn't cheap in the first place, this is causing me to justify delaying my purchase. I would buy a Trinity now if I was sure that in, say, 3 to 6 months I could software upgrade it to "do" GPS... as I have an immediate use for the device's 3G/802.11 capabilities... All I want to do is avoid having to spend another £400 if, in a few months, when I will want/need GPS, if I wreck the device by messing-up an illegal ROM-flash.

Looking to buy a Kaiser to replace dead Wizard, I have a few questions...

Ok I have been seriously thinking about buying one of these and have already started saving my money to get one but before I take the plunge and spend almost $800.
I guess my first question is a hardware question. I have read a few posts about people having issues with the USB being "crappy" and also the digitizer cutting out due to loose internal connections. I really want to know if these are very common problems or rare instances of hardware failure.
Seccondly, it seems like the firmware is kinda buggy from things that I've read and that the phone's release was rushed and the firmware suffered the consequences. I know there is no cube on the Kaiser, (honestly glad to hear it... its a memory wasting piece of junk IMHO...) I know that TouchFlo is not on the phone and honestly, it's not neccessary to me.
Third and finally, I have T-Mobile as my wireless carrier and if I were to buy a Kaiser, would it be possible to configure it for T-Mobile's GPRS and EDGE settings for their Total Internet package that I have? I am a big user of the internet on my Wizard and would need it if I bought a Kaiser.
I suppose what I'm asking is are there any serious firmware flaws that drive you guys(and gals) crazy and is the hardware commonly unreliable on these phones? I really like what I see on the HTC website and I have done alot of looking around on ebay and love the performance specs I have read but don't want to spend a ton of money if it's not worth the money. You know?
Any and all help on this matter would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Dan.

Honestly it's not a problem.
My Kaiser (and my Wife's and a work friend) are all fine. There are a few sniggles with the firmware, that I'm sure will be sorted, as lets be honest all first edition firmware's have.
The device DOES have TouchFlo, just no Cube......
The internet etc are all fine... I'm on T-Mobile as well....
Go for it, it's the best QVGA device out there at the moment.

Mine has no problems and is fantastic!.
Matt.

the_ape said:
Honestly it's not a problem.
My Kaiser (and my Wife's and a work friend) are all fine. There are a few sniggles with the firmware, that I'm sure will be sorted, as lets be honest all first edition firmware's have.
The device DOES have TouchFlo, just no Cube......
The internet etc are all fine... I'm on T-Mobile as well....
Go for it, it's the best QVGA device out there at the moment.
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I'm gonna go for it. I figure what do I have to lose? Money? I can always get more... Besides it seems like a well built phone and from what everyone has told me and everything I've read, it seems to be completely compatible with T-mobile which is a plus.
I'm saving guys... Sooner than later I hope, I will be an active member of the Kaiser community but for now, It's Wizard for me.

Integrated Antenna

What do people think about integrated antennas like these:
http://store.mp3car.com/Roof_top_GPS_Cellular_PCS_WiFi_antenna_p/com-008.htm
I am thinking about getting one like this for my car obviously to up the gps and cellular signal strength.
A question I have for any TyTn II experts, Which antenna does the WiFi use, is it integrated into the cellular antenna or gps or neither?

Neither, I believe all three have their own internal antennas. I say this because I have seen the internal photos of the Hermes and Trinity (which has GPS) and they had seperate small antennas. The Kaiser has two external antenna ports but after bricking my 1st Hermes by plugging an external antenna in and having it kill my radio, I'll never play the external game again. Besides it seems to work very well on all radios, even simultaneously, without externals.

I Would Have To Go With All In A 3 In One (technicaly)
FROM MY EXPERIENCE I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ALL WORK WITH THE RIGHT DRIVERS.
hOW EVER BEING ABSTRACT I WOULD SAY SINCE I BELIEVE MOST OF ALL THE PHONES HAVE GPS BUILT IN and THAT THE WRITE DRIVER SHOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE antenna FROM THE PHONE WHICH HAS MORE THAN ONE WIRE IN IT.
external NOW YOUR TALKING SOME EXTRA BOOST JUST FOR YOUR CONNECTION TO IT.
YOU CANT GO WRONG, TRICK IS ALL ABOUT TIME AND EFFICIENCY COST IS PERSONAL OPINION[
good luck

The first photo is with the rubber grommet off and you can see the hole that goes through to the documented external GPS antenna. In the red circle is a piece of plastic that is blocking another external antenna port.
The 2nd photo is with the whole back off and inside the circle again you can see the extra antenna port.

aboutthemind said:
FROM MY EXPERIENCE I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ALL WORK WITH THE RIGHT DRIVERS.
hOW EVER BEING ABSTRACT I WOULD SAY SINCE I BELIEVE MOST OF ALL THE PHONES HAVE GPS BUILT IN and THAT THE WRITE DRIVER SHOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE antenna FROM THE PHONE WHICH HAS MORE THAN ONE WIRE IN IT.
external NOW YOUR TALKING SOME EXTRA BOOST JUST FOR YOUR CONNECTION TO IT.
YOU CANT GO WRONG, TRICK IS ALL ABOUT TIME AND EFFICIENCY COST IS PERSONAL OPINION
good luck
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1. Stop yelling!
2. Most phones do NOT have GPS built-in.
3. You don't need drivers to use an external antenna. It's a physical connection.
4. Get your facts straight.
5. I like the antenna. Now if it had an XM antenna in it, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It would also work great for wardriving (not with my Tilt, but with my laptop)

Another Fan i apologize for not being clear
Lidberg said:
1. Stop yelling!
Please refrain from giving me orders!
2. Most phones do NOT have GPS built-in.
Actually they do to eliminate have to change a board already n production. besides the kaiser is older like 5 years then an mda.
3. You don't need drivers to use an external antenna. It's a physical connection.
Who said anything about drivers for the XM Radio antenna. I said Driversfor the internal gps antena. Read the kaiser wiki... the wiki for the pre-installed gps module.
4. Get your facts straight.
Well this is the part where tell you my way of thinking. I dont read so bare with me considering i am self taught and taking over a hundred different phones apart i can even say with out knowing that they stopped the technology cause 1000 features that are to advanced become a forum!!!!
Again if you are a HTC technician or a hardware engineer for any of the pocket pc device i will with draw any of my comments.
How ever of your here for fun and to learn do a litle bit of home work before you accidentally insult some one willing to read your opinion.
Hope i was a little bit better in explaining what i meant
ciao
5. I like the antenna. Now if it had an XM antenna in it, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It would also work great for wardriving (not with my Tilt, but with my laptop)
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This can be done

People don't like when you use ALL CAPS. It looks like you're yelling at them.
The way you made your statement, it sounded like you needed drivers for the GPS antenna, which is not true. You need drivers to utilize the GPS radio. Two different things. You even got the two mixed up in the same post.
I seriously doubt the Kaiser is 5 years old. Where are you getting this information??
Personally I think your statements tend to ramble and be incoherent, but I digress. The Kaiser is an excellent phone. I love having built-in GPS. I am probably going to buy an external GPS antenna for it, although it really doesn't need it. I can even get 2-3 birds inside my house.

aboutthemind said:
Actually they do to eliminate have to change a board already n production. besides the kaiser is older like 5 years then an mda.
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What does this mean? That HTC or other cell phone manufacturer are removing components on a board they've already produced before they release a new phone? Why on earth would they do that when they could save the cost of buying the additional circuitry in the first place and just order a run of what they want?
I said Driversfor the internal gps antena.
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Antennae don't require drivers. Circuits do. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
...they stopped the technology cause 1000 features that are to advanced become a forum!!!!
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This doesn't make any sense.
Again if you are a HTC technician or a hardware engineer for any of the pocket pc device i will with draw any of my comments.
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I'm neither, but I believe you need to withdraw your comments.
Hope i was a little bit better in explaining what i meant
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Not really, no. It sounds like you're saying the Kaiser is using a board that's five years old and has physically had circuits removed from it because HTC didn't want to provide all of the features/functions that they could. I sincerely doubt that this is the case, since they'll produce a couple million of these things and paying even $1 extra for circuits they'll remove and labor to remove them makes no sense when they can order up a board that they want and get it for cheaper.
Throw in that you posted in all caps (considered rude by just about everyone) and then provided information that just doesn't add up, I'm not surprised you got push back.

Again i apologize for beining insulted and for any misrepresentation
I really don't feel like explaining my self, so if you feel that i am attacking you i apologize.
considering that i have simply stated a an opinion and you have managed to exert the fact that you do not respect others. i will respond.
and seriously just take what you like in theory and leave the stuff that you dont like.
I am not going to explain that typing is not the easiest thing for me. please don't mistake that for a representation of how i deal with people.
PerfAlbion said:
What does this mean? That HTC or other cell phone manufacturer are removing components on a board they've already produced before they release a new phone? Why on earth would they do that when they could save the cost of buying the additional circuitry in the first place and just order a run of what they want?
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PerfAlbion said:
Wow now were ar talking so a little lesson in busines 101 agan i can only base this on doing business in the us for over ten years this is not to have you answer me back
cost of labor for most manufacture is far greater than the price of parts in bulk.
out of respect for the people reading this ill stop thier.
Antennae don't require drivers. Circuits do. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.sorry for confusing the the exact words i was trying to offend everyone are you kidding me
1000 features that no one needs
This doesn't make any sense.
ok so since your opinion is not completely biast this again alies the theaory of an article in a vry small country called he us have youu heard of it?
Seriuosley i am in no mood to go over every line to some one that is biast to my comment that all of a sudden became an issue.
Listen genious and i do say geneous with respect the fact is and this goes for all. technology has far supercede the cash cow(people who buy, consumers, money, what makes the world go round)
i noticed after getting into the bigger phones like the 1700 and the BA and the hermes that they all look the same or have very similar compositions.
I came to the conclusion that they all had gps in them from a market professional stand pioint. So really just appriciate some input.
You want the facts well yeh its but so what i was trying to give some input before you reminded me that i wll end up having to type for an hour cause a genious felt it necessary to chalenge me.
I'm neither, but I believe you need to withdraw your comments.
Ok no problem please understand i was giving input and you decided to insult me.
I openly withdraw any comment i have ever made that you feel is not worthy as another member put it and if you would like me to say that i am sorry posting i do.
Not really, no. It sounds like you're saying
the Kaiser is using a board that's five years old and has physically had circuits removed from it because HTC didn't want to provide all of the features/functions that they could.
no one said anything about removal, baords for the most part have alot of he circuits on them it makes it vary easy to acomplish global standards and upgrades and maximizing profit by making upgrades look tangible.
I sincerely doubt that this is the case, since they'll produce a couple million of these things and paying even $1 extra for circuits they'll remove and labor to remove them makes no sense when they can order up a board that they want and get it for cheaper.
I agree that would make no sense thats why i would nt say it i see where your coming from.
Throw in that you posted in all caps (considered rude by just about everyone) and then provided information that just doesn't add up,
I'm not surprised you got push back.
i wouldnt know but i apriciate yur interest in my curent position and standings may be you could show me how i can get pms cause its very hard for me to read i have add and typing is the worst,
What a waste of time and energy i apologize to anyone having to read this
you see chief i didn't ven relize that that the caps lock was on but since you decide to think now i will tell you the system i use wich is also a system i created because of you thinking for me requires caps lock to be own as well as the state of ca on documents.
so again i apologize
record time MIKE 1:15 mins
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bazzatron said:
The first photo is with the rubber grommet off and you can see the hole that goes through to the documented external GPS antenna. In the red circle is a piece of plastic that is blocking another external antenna port.
The 2nd photo is with the whole back off and inside the circle again you can see the extra antenna port.
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Thanks for the visual thats what i am talking about
back to the real question
i would look for any type of after market booster car kit easiest way is google the word china after it and you would be shocked what youll find they can pretty much customize anything the word to use for phones in china is not cellular or htc.. pocket pc
"mobile phone"
is the key word attached to gps car kit or what ever
always request a sample good luck only sugestion i am not an expert

sorry about the caps didnt see it
Lidberg said:
People don't like when you use ALL CAPS. It looks like you're yelling at them.
The way you made your statement, it sounded like you needed drivers for the GPS antenna, which is not true. You need drivers to utilize the GPS radio. Two different things. You even got the two mixed up in the same post.
again tabgled up up a bit my bad
I seriously doubt the Kaiser is 5 years old. Where are you getting this information??
well not to be a drag but the hermes is been around for ages and again not to be rude but the kaiser is not the first phone to have a total new build. just some awsome exploited adjustments.
Personally I think your statements tend to ramble and be incoherent, but I digress.
well i guess everyone has an opinion but no need to insult me
The Kaiser is an excellent phone. I love having built-in GPS. I am probably going to buy an external GPS antenna for it, although it really doesn't need it. I can even get 2-3 birds inside my house.
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Kool let me know how it goes
if i get around to it
i am assuming it can hook into a car via blue toothe???????

aboutthemind said:
sue.
Listen genious and i do say geneous with respect the fact is and this goes for all. technology has far supercede the cash cow(people who buy, consumers, money, what makes the world go round)
i noticed after getting into the bigger phones like the 1700 and the BA and the hermes that they all look the same or have very similar compositions.
I came to the conclusion that they all had gps in them from a market professional stand pioint.
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Don't insult us by calling us "genius". There are a lot of very smart people on this board. Without their help, my phone wouldn't be nearly as fun to play with.
You made a pretty broad assumption that if one or two phones have GPS built-in, then all of them do. The fact is, very few phones have GPS built-in. My last phone, the 8525, was a very good phone with lots of features. It's less than a year old and it doesn't have GPS. Go ahead and keep making those assumptions and you'll stand out as someone who doesn't know how to do any kind of research. You will make yourself look like a fool.
P.S. Spell check is your friend. Use it.

Actually the 8525 does have GPS! However, after in-depth investigation these XDA folks identified that while the IC Chipset did have GPS as part of it's standard fratures, HTC shorted those particular pins to ground on the circuit board and did not include the internal amp and antenna assembly as well so it was impossible to make it work on them without major micro surgery. The Trinity, however, had the components and thru software was able to have it's GPS come to life. But certainly all phones don't have Chipsets with integrated GPS.
I would agree that many companies will use a particular chip and elect NOT to provide all of the features at first release or for specific models, that is normal marketing driven buisness and gives us reasons to buy the next model.
XDA certainly has made it possible for us all to reap the collective tinkering experience and get more from the phones we have and sometimes get these hidden features with a little work.
No disrespect "aboutthemind", but I must agree that your text is a challenge to understand, but I'm always amazed at the worldwide, round-the-clock, activity on this forum. I've learned so much here.

RemE said:
Actually the 8525 does have GPS! However, after in-depth investigation these XDA folks identified that while the IC Chipset did have GPS as part of it's standard fratures, HTC shorted those particular pins to ground on the circuit board and did not include the internal amp and antenna assembly as well so it was impossible to make it work on them without major micro surgery. The Trinity, however, had the components and thru software was able to have it's GPS come to life. But certainly all phones don't have Chipsets with integrated GPS.
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I remember that discussion well about the 8525 GPS. I think one guy even had the GPS working, but only by disassembling the phone and having wires running everywhere. Not exactly portable...

Lidberg said:
I remember that discussion well about the 8525 GPS. I think one guy even had the GPS working, but only by disassembling the phone and having wires running everywhere. Not exactly portable...
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Actually they got the GPS chip activated but could receive no valid data since the antenna bits were not present, they investigated the internal components and determined that it was basically not worth the effort to attempt to unsoldier all of the grounded pins on the chip and then get an amp/bandpass filter and antenna installed. No one ever got a 8525 to work and the project halted, but along came Kaiser!

Here's another one: http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=151025 much cheaper too, but only to be placed on the dash. Probably work just as good though.

My Wing has only one external connection. I bought a 3 watt Wilson booster which then goes to a Yagi (one directional antenna). Its awesome the reception I get. Costs about $300.00 to do all this.

ok no gps in 8525 and aboutthemind is a fool Y N
Lidberg said:
Don't insult us by calling us "genius". There are a lot of very smart people on this board. Without their help, my phone wouldn't be nearly as fun to play with.
You made a pretty broad assumption that if one or two phones have GPS built-in, then all of them do. The fact is, very few phones have GPS built-in. My last phone, the 8525, was a very good phone with lots of features. It's less than a year old and it doesn't have GPS. Go ahead and keep making those assumptions and you'll stand out as someone who doesn't know how to do any kind of research. You will make yourself look like a fool.
P.S. Spell check is your friend. Use it.
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let me ask you a question, what gives you the right to speak for another person, I would you like to help the gentle man that was here for help cause i am confused as to why you want me to engage in this. i will if we can all end up with a gps that also gives you real-time police positions. Linberg i strongly sugest you bring a positive opinion to this one cause so far your not really contributing to a solution.
With all due respect sir, please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have addressed the typing and by the looks of it i don't think u get that you my friend are assuming that i am just swing info from my hip.
your right but it from my eyes and hands threw my head to a yellow box so you can see.
now the comment you made finished this so at least we know that your old phone has a gps in it what else can we add to the gentle mans question..
yes i am a fool for answering you but i'll just pass cause i have no interest in your theory due to the nature of your comments.
gps is in the 8525 and yes you can take apart a phone. and im gane i got one in pieces so no is the time but the kaisers 8525 so the fun is one and that is poff's world i would start by maybe doing some reading on his work mans a guru
Mike I'm trying my best but out of respect for the genius members all of them including this guy . i can't take another comment with out losing character.
Mr Lindberg i regret to inform you that calling people fool and names and insulting my dyslexias probably cost you. I like the name very historical but again i will only ask you one more time do not insult me and do not speak for the team

yes we have lift off
zcink said:
My Wing has only one external connection. I bought a 3 watt Wilson booster which then goes to a Yagi (one directional antenna). Its awesome the reception I get. Costs about $300.00 to do all this.
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yeah thats what I'm talking about i like it. can yu post a link

aboutthemind said:
let me ask you a question, what gives you the right to speak for another person, I would you like to help the gentle man that was here for help cause i am confused as to why you want me to engage in this. i will if we can all end up with a gps that also gives you real-time police positions. Linberg i strongly sugest you bring a positive opinion to this one cause so far your not really contributing to a solution.
With all due respect sir, please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have addressed the typing and by the looks of it i don't think u get that you my friend are assuming that i am just swing info from my hip.
your right but it from my eyes and hands threw my head to a yellow box so you can see.
now the comment you made finished this so at least we know that your old phone has a gps in it what else can we add to the gentle mans question..
yes i am a fool for answering you but i'll just pass cause i have no interest in your theory due to the nature of your comments.
gps is in the 8525 and yes you can take apart a phone. and im gane i got one in pieces so no is the time but the kaisers 8525 so the fun is one and that is poff's world i would start by maybe doing some reading on his work mans a guru
Mike I'm trying my best but out of respect for the genius members all of them including this guy . i can't take another comment with out losing character.
Mr Lindberg i regret to inform you that calling people fool and names and insulting my dyslexias probably cost you. I like the name very historical but again i will only ask you one more time do not insult me and do not speak for the team
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Sorry man, but I can't make any sense out of what you're trying to say. I didn't put any words into your mouth. I don't know where you got that idea.
You made some pretty broad statements about GPS in phones and I told you that that is not true - most phones do not have GPS built-in. The 8525 has some of the hardware, but it is not a complete, workable solution.
Also, I did not call you a fool. I said you would look like a fool if you made broad statements about phones in general that are not true.
'nuff said.

Heads up, i'm selling my kaiser / tilt if anyones interested

Heads up, i'm selling my kaiser / tilt if anyones interested
Just wanted to make sure that if anyone needed it, you had that option.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290245225723

By the rom on it I'm assuming its hardspl?

wshader said:
By the rom on it I'm assuming its hardspl?
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I'm not sure if that's a question or not lol..... =)
Of course? Currently using the new h-spl and V9 of the L26 Kaiser Diamond rom.

If it's unlocked you may want that in your eBay title. It's a good selling point. You've got a decent bid so far. Good luck.

BONUS:
(Contains 10 items! Value over $300!)
- 1 HTC OEM home charger
- 1 Car charger
- 1 Data Cable
- 1 Leather Case with belt clip
- 1 Samsung bluetooth headset with charger
- 1 Micro SD / SD Memory Card Adapter
- 1 - 2 GB Memory Card Micro SD
really?? i count 5 extras.. cable and charger aint extra..
and the card adapter is always included w/ a micro sd
and the other 2 makes 7.. where's the phantom 3?
.. but 300$ worth?? seriously?
altho i do like the BT..
there is a growing trend in ebay.. hyperflate
sorry, dont really mean to but i just saying out loud what ppl will think..
if i am missing something, then i aint the only one

amkaos said:
there is a growing trend in ebay.. hyperflate
sorry, dont really mean to but i just saying out loud what ppl will think..
if i am missing something, then i aint the only one
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They call it marketing. I agree, people like you and I call it lieing. It is a fact of life, though. As they always say, Buyer Beware.
I don't think that Nimda0 is purposely trying to deceive. He is just on that marketing bandwagon to get the most that he can for his beloved device.

WiFi on the touch with Android?

Hi,
I was wondering if it is possible to use a wifi (micro/mini/regular)SD card on the verizon xv6800 on android. I know that there was some success using this adapter
ameri-rack.com/APA-TFC1m.html
to a full sized sd on WinMo (6.1 iirc), but not much was said about it. I'm on verizon and really can't afford the data plan, but without _any_ internet this phone isn't really worth it to me. If the wifi works at all with android I'm going to buy one!
Thanks,
Jeff

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th3lolz said:
Idk if you've checked it out, but you can look at the "Using Android Without a Data Plan" guide in my sig - you can do most of the stuff you can do with a data plan/wifi like getting apps, but its a roundabout manner
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yeah, I've checked it out, and while great that most features can be made to work, I'm on a college campus with wifi all around most of the time, so having wifi would be great.

Well, the micro sd wifi isn't the only option out there.
there is a mini usb to wifi adapter you could use:
http://www.dhgate.com/10pcs-newest-...r-11g/p-ff80808127be294d0127d11b43965e88.html
and then there is a micro sd to sd adapter here: http://www.ably.com.tw/pdt/viewpdt.asp?absp=3&cat=OTHERS
and then you could use a wifi sd card like: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0ADBMXW7P49F2R23KJJY
I also heard there was microsd wifi cards, but were double the size lengthwise and stuck out of the phone. and they also didn't have much luck with compatibility.
im not sure if any of these methods work, and i doubt the will. you will probably need a driver for the usb mini adapter. but a website(http://acassis.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/microsd-wifi-with-linux-support/) says there is a linux compatible microsd wifi card made by a japanese company, and android being linux based, who knows.

aa

also I have posted another SD wifi card, I don't know if the eye-FI one can do anything but transmit the data stored on that particular card.

Here's what you would need hardware wise.
-SDW-821 SDIO Wifi card
http://www.buy.com/prod/spectec-sdw...d/q/listingid/22339724/loc/101/207906321.html
-A MicroSD to sd adaptor with a ribbon cable.
http://www.ably.com.tw/pdt/viewpdt.asp?absp=3&cat=OTHERS#
(You can supposedly send their sales team an email and they'll hook you up)
I can't justify spending more than I spent on this phone on speculation, but if anybody tries it and it works, please post back because many of us would love for this to happen.

scottter said:
Here's what you would need hardware wise.
-SDW-821 SDIO Wifi card
-A MicroSD to sd adaptor with a ribbon cable.
(You can supposedly send their sales team an email and they'll hook you up)
I can't justify spending more than I spent on this phone on speculation, but if anybody tries it and it works, please post back because many of us would love for this to happen.
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yes, this is exactly what I'd love to know. If I owned the phone then I'd be happy to drop the $50 or so to test it out, but my getting the phone right now is contingent on getting wifi on android (or even winmo) to work.

th3lolz said:
For the mini-usb one to work, the vogue would have to work as a usb host which is pretty much impossible IMHO
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It is not impossible - dzo has stated that he has the documentation for usb host - but there's no driver yet.

aa

Wouldn't it be easier to use the sdio rather than tie up the usb port?

scottter said:
Wouldn't it be easier to use the sdio rather than tie up the usb port?
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if you could find a microsd, sdio wifi card that fit WITHOUT having to cut the casing and still gave you storage? yes. but since we've never found one of those, usb ftw.

What about this setup I posted earlier?
scottter said:
Here's what you would need hardware wise.
-SDW-821 SDIO Wifi card
http://www.buy.com/prod/spectec-sdw...d/q/listingid/22339724/loc/101/207906321.html
-A MicroSD to sd adaptor with a ribbon cable.
http://www.ably.com.tw/pdt/viewpdt.asp?absp=3&cat=OTHERS#
(You can supposedly send their sales team an email and they'll hook you up)
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scottter said:
What about this setup I posted earlier?
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lol... i guess that would work... definitely cleaner that the stub of the card protruding from the side. but think of all the cool stuff we could do with usb host...

Yea, but then your usb port would be tied up.
No headphones, no charging, etc.
USB host is cool, but not very practical. Or portable.

so is scottter's method confirmed working? sorry for so many questions

jeffc313 said:
so is scottter's method confirmed working? sorry for so many questions
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Nothing can be confirmed working untl somebody tries it.
Theoretically what I outlined should work, but I'm not willing to spend $80 on a theory.
If somebody does try it they should probably know their way around android pretty well, preferably a dev in case there are modifications needed.
EDIT: I just added up the cost and it would be closer to $80, the microsd to sd ribbon cable is about 30 if you add shipping, and the sdio card is about $45

WIFI card can not do it?
WIFI card can not do it?

Now the system are andriod
Now the system are andriod

The price so cheap, it is true or false? Things online credible?
The price so cheap, it is true or false? Things online credible?