hear Ye, hear Ye...
people of XDAdevForum!
please answer one simple question? aren't You all trying to act more dramatic than there is actually necessary?
please correct me if I am wrong, but is there a majority of You regular gamers?
come on. let's be honest. this device is great. a real power house. period.
complaining about video? coreplayer is about to release special qtv version of their player ANY MINUTE now...
complaining about camera? nothing can be done. hardware is limited and camera is just an additional option anyway.
3D gaming? ... ... dunno what to say. real game loving freaks owns psp from day one. (or since last sale...)
wait till cp for kaiser, opera mobile 9 and windows mobile 6.1 will be released. then we will talk.
this device main purpose is communication and nothing can beat it at it.
to clarify- I am not a HTC agent or whatever.
I'm just simply getting tired of overreacting and all the hate against HTC. I never heard of people talking about taking a dump on nokia's lawn cuz of crappy gps in N95.
don't get me wrong- I would be over the moon with drivers sorted, but please... give those guys a break. they actually never reffered to kaiser as a gaming device like nokia does on it's n series. I've bought my Vario III because it is succesor to my previous Vario II. gps integrated, 3meg cam (not that bad in day light and soft from polaris) tilting keyboard and the list goes on...
Yes. I am happy.
... and I love this community, who once again is showing, that wm is great sys after all and it can be customised, just how we like it.
sorry for that wall of txt, but I had it comming.
br
bro
Go and try to scroll in your windows folder with file explorer. Or use TomTom to show you the navigated route. Enjoy.
To be honest, it's not about gaming at all. Not about video playing at all. It's about scrolling in IE, in file explorer, smooth display in TomTom, in Camera. These operation on older devices are much more smoother comparing to this brick. Havent you seen the videos? Dear HTC agent?
The point is, that our devices seriously underperform compared to older device due to a lack of drivers (!). This means we've been sold devices that look as if they'd outperform older devices from the spec, but don't when it comes to reality - and it's not because the hardware is not there or anything, it's merely because a driver has not been delivered.
That's like you buy a cool computer advertised with a state-of-the-art DX10 Graphicscard which is deactivated due to a lack of drivers and all the rendering is done by the crappy onboard chip. Wouldn't like it would you?*
* Analogy is somwhat impaired as you can always just get drivers for the Card, but still....
Come on
I dont like paying $500 for a Tilt when the 8525 for half that works much better!! Get a clue!
Probably his first device. Doesn't know what to expect.
That said though I'm sure in a moment he'll reply & we'll learn that he is the mastermind behind windows mobile.
I would say something but I will respect the Title of this thread.
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Go and try to scroll in your windows folder with file explorer. Or use TomTom to show you the navigated route. Enjoy.
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Now I'm begining to wonder what's going on here!!!!!!!
I have no scrolling issues in windows, or viewing route in Tomtom.
I also have very few videos that don't play snoothly either.
SO and this may be an important observation. Is there a proportion of devices out there that are not working properly (possible ROM or other software setup - maybe even a hardware problem) and that others DO NOT show these problems.
On mine I simply cannot see the slowness others report. Mine is lag free and resposive. I saw some posts about the screen rotate times being slow, but mine is virtually instant.
Maybe this is what we should establish. Is it only some devices that are having problems.Compared to my 8525 my speeds are fantastic.
I notice that this odd mixture of some folks saying they have excellent speed and smooth loading and performance compared to others who seem to find the opposite - is apparent on several other PDA sites too.
Mike
EDIT: Just saw the post below. Again I have not noticed the camera being slow (except when really dark). Taking videos I dont do much of but let's say compared to TyTn it is about the same.
I will say I had a slow scroll in PIE but that was solved with the installation of the older PIE dll.
Happy? No!
I don't watch movies or play graphics intensive games. However I do use my phone as a PDA and take pictures and small videos and suck. Try scrolling anything, try taking a picture or small video of your kids. Then come back and tell me how happy you are.
Seems that either you don't actually have a Kaiser or you only use it as a phone.
Lately the camera performance on the Kaiser is really frustrating. It's almost unusable in low'ish light. With video or stills. Sure it's been like this the whole time but lately I've really been frustrated. I would like to use the camera.
To all the people who say a camera on a phone is not important I say go back in your cave. It's 2008 BTW and technology is surpassing you, get out of the way.
Sorry I'm done. Let's not trash this thread since it's call "Happy User Thread". There are alot of other threads we can do that in. As much as it's going to urk us to know that non power users will be posting in this thread oblivious to what is possible.
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Now I'm begining to wonder what's going on here!!!!!!!
I have no scrolling issues in windows, or viewing route in Tomtom.
I also have very few videos that don't play snoothly either.
SO and this may be an important observation. Is there a proportion of devices out there that are not working properly (possible ROM or other software setup - maybe even a hardware problem) and that others DO NOT show these problems.
On mine I simply cannot see the slowness others report. Mine is lag free and resposive. I saw some posts about the screen rotate times being slow, but mine is virtually instant.
Maybe this is what we should establish. Is it only some devices that are having problems.Compared to my 8525 my speeds are fantastic.
I notice that this odd mixture of some folks saying they have excellent speed and smooth loading and performance compared to others who seem to find the opposite - is apparent on several other PDA sites too.
Mike
EDIT: Just saw the post below. Again I have not noticed the camera being slow (except when really dark). Taking videos I dont do much of but let's say compared to TyTn it is about the same.
I will say I had a slow scroll in PIE but that was solved with the installation of the older PIE dll.
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I think you haven't seen these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJWAu6IRe4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qbaDLzOU_Y
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Lately the camera performance on the Kaiser is really frustrating. It's almost unusable in low'ish light. With video or stills. Sure it's been like this the whole time but lately I've really been frustrated. I would like to use the camera.
To all the people who say a camera on a phone is not important I say go back in your cave. It's 2008 BTW and technology is surpassing you, get out of the way.
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The point I'm trying to establish is whether it is only some devices that are showing these problems. I saw the OP being dismissed as being inexperienced BUT maybe these problems are NOT universal.
Mike
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The point I'm trying to establish is whether it is only some devices that are showing these problems. I saw the OP being dismissed as being inexperienced BUT maybe these problems are NOT universal.
Mike
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Maybe it is but I'm on my 3rd ROM, all different and the same problems(particularly the camera) have followed. Could be a bad batch I guess. Assuming your camera is performing "good" in low light. Can you provide a video to shut us all up?
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The point I'm trying to establish is whether it is only some devices that are showing these problems. I saw the OP being dismissed as being inexperienced BUT maybe these problems are NOT universal.
Mike
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So why do we have these sticky threads, web pages, reviews, comparisons and many more? Because two of us are experiencing some problems?
Get a clue!
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So why do we have these sticky threads, web pages, reviews, comparisons and many more? Because two of us are experiencing some problems?
Get a clue!
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For all I know it may be 80% of users who have these problems. I don't in any major way or anything that by changing settings has not been fixed. I'm not trying to dismiss the issues you and possibly many others have, but it may have a bearing on the causes. Perhaps there are hardware flaws for which no amount of ROM changing will solve matters.
Mike
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For all I know it may be 80% of users who have these problems. I don't in any major way or anything that by changing settings has not been fixed. I'm not trying to dismiss the issues you and possibly many others have, but it may have a bearing on the causes. Perhaps there are hardware flaws for which no amount of ROM changing will solve matters.
Mike
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80% of all sold hardware to be junk? Come on, you don't believe that either
Kaiser has to be really a HUMONGOUS piece of crap then
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For all I know it may be 80% of users who have these problems. I don't in any major way or anything that by changing settings has not been fixed. I'm not trying to dismiss the issues you and possibly many others have, but it may have a bearing on the causes. Perhaps there are hardware flaws for which no amount of ROM changing will solve matters.
Mike
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Is there some sort of benchmark that we could all run to see if there is something that is only affecting certain units?
I bought my TYTN II in Australia about 3 months ago and the screen redraws are abysmal, the camera is useless in anything less than perfect light. From what I have read every TYTN II is the same, depending on what your expectation is I suppose.
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Now I'm begining to wonder what's going on here!!!!!!!
I have no scrolling issues in windows, or viewing route in Tomtom.
I also have very few videos that don't play snoothly either.
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Me too Mike, my experience seems to follow yours. I love my little Kaiser, its a great little device, does all I ask of it, and I'm really pleased with the over all package.
And before others jump in and propose I'm a novice too, my first PDA phone was a Nokia 9000 Communicator, bought years ago. Back then, mods weren't flashing ROM's, or installing CAB's, it was done through programming, and DOS (remember that?) level commands. Or to put it another way, imagine that every tweak etc on the Kaiser had to be done via regedit. So novice, no. Happy user, yes.
I wonder if there are just some units out there that are badly made? Maybe HTC has more 'Friday' phones than most...
c'mon now, what are you talking about The tilt is about a half a step backwards from the 8525. Do the comparisons yourself, from playing movie files, video recording, picture taking in limited lighting, and the graphical redrawing of the ui itself! there's no way in hell should my ipaq Hw6515 out perform the tilt in any of these aspects! The tilt is suppose to be an upgrade from the 8525, but from the performance of it, it's not!
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I'm very much interested in buying this device, but after reading all the threads here and Petition...I'm totally confused.
Can anyone please sum it up ? whats going on? Should i buy it or not? Video playback issue is been solved or not?
I don't have any other device in my mind with the same specifications..
Please help me out.
Yeah im debating whether i should keep mine or not.. Seems like this video driver thing wont ever get resolved by HTC, who knows? .. Maybe when another phone that has the same chipsets releases, a developer from XDA can extract some stuff from there.. but it looks like its not going to be any time soon. Sorry for being pessimistic but I feel like i am being realistic here. HTC has no desire to fix a phone thats been out for some time now when by next year there will be an upgraded version of the phone.
Only question is... What phone should i swap it for? the Iphone? blahhhh....
Definately get it, although there are a few small nags with it, such as the video problem its still a fantastic device and just so much better than anything else out there IMO.
The GPS is fantastic, its very fast and very stable with the Cooked ROM such as Schaps or duttys. I have never had it crash on me yet and ive owned it over 2 months now. Ive only ever had to reset for planned things such as program installs etc.
Overall its a really superb device and i cant recommend it enough!
+1. Best phone I've ever used.
I love my TyTN II/Tilt.
I like my Kaiser but if you dont need GPS then you why not think about a Hermes? i personally like it a whole load better because there is a lot bigger mod scene with the Hermes. Also a slight drawback at the min is lack of sim unlock for the Kaiser so am using it as my second back up phone. My oppinions may change mind once i get it unlocked and use it more. will keep you posted
sean pint- just goto ebay and search for kaiser/tilt unlock. Once you find a seller make sure he has good feedback and buy it. I got mine for 15 dollars. Ive heard of people paying 10. It took about 6 hours for the seller to email me the unlock code. Simple as that. Good luck!!
I searched and researched for 6 months before buying my TyTN II. I love it. Sure the video driver issue is frustrating but you know what? Even with that issue its the best PDA/Phone available.
I have had mine for almost 2 months and have never had a lockup or any other problem that made me reset it.
I love mine and wouldn't trade it for anything.
If you do decide not to get it, I will echo the suggestion made earlier to get a Hermes. There is A LOT available for that device too.... but for me the Kaiser is the kit to get.
PS: The phone in my experience is OUTSTANDING.
Thanks for the Feedback guys....
Can anyone elaborate more? like what kind of issue one can face with video playback? Like does it really lag bad ? or it just bearable? Or video is just lagging in one specific format?
Does this video issue get solved if i change to third party firmware?
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Thanks for the Feedback guys....
Can anyone elaborate more? like what kind of issue one can face with video playback? Like does it really lag bad ? or it just bearable? Or video is just lagging in one specific format?
Does this video issue get solved if i change to third party firmware?
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I am a proud kaiser owner for a few months now and I do not know what this video issue is!
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I am a proud kaiser owner for a few months now and I do not know what this video issue is!
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Don't you play videos on ur device?
Don't, just don't...
wahur1 said:
I'm very much interested in buying this device, but after reading all the threads here and Petition...I'm totally confused.
Can anyone please sum it up ? whats going on? Should i buy it or not? Video playback issue is been solved or not?
I don't have any other device in my mind with the same specifications..
Please help me out.
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I would not buy this device again. It might look cool but it can give you too many frustrations. My TyTN I is infinitely more reliable.
If you are a very easy-going rich individual or a gadget freak that just has to buy this cool looking device, you should get it. It looks good, the GPS works well, wireless, etc, all good.
Here's what NOT to expect though:
1. Good camera/video recording quality
2. Anything close to acceptable video playback quality
3. 3d acceleration if you play games
4.Smooth browsing with Pocket Internet Explorer
5. Anything close to an acceptable customer service
You might also get other problems. My Kaiser for instance doesn't register fast consecutive keystrokes of the same letter. So I open PIE, I type www.google.com and it comes out as ww.gogle.com (Before anyone tells me to change the Up/Down key delay in the settings, I've already done that and the problem is always there). It's sooo much fun getting the cursor back there to correct it!!!
Browse the forums, you'll get an idea of how many bad surprises the Kaiser might hold for you, thanks to the lack of quality control by HTC. Sorry to disappoint you but if stability is your concern, don't listen to the voices luring you to buy this thing.
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I would not buy this device again. It might look cool but it can give you too many frustrations. My TyTN I is infinitely more reliable.
If you are a very easy-going rich individual or a gadget freak that just has to buy this cool looking device, you should get it. It looks good, the GPS works well, wireless, etc, all good.
Here's what NOT to expect though:
1. Good camera/video recording quality
2. Anything close to acceptable video playback quality
3. 3d acceleration if you play games
4.Smooth browsing with Pocket Internet Explorer
5. Anything close to an acceptable customer service
You might also get other problems. My Kaiser for instance doesn't register fast consecutive keystrokes of the same letter. So I open PIE, I type www.google.com and it comes out as ww.gogle.com (Before anyone tells me to change the Up/Down key delay in the settings, I've already done that and the problem is always there). It's sooo much fun getting the cursor back there to correct it!!!
Browse the forums, you'll get an idea of how many bad surprises the Kaiser might hold for you, thanks to the lack of quality control by HTC. Sorry to disappoint you but if stabilityis your concern, don't listen to the voices luring you to buy this thing.
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I have entered in bold my views on the above posters comments.
Here's what NOT to expect though:
1. Good camera/video recording quality
There is an art to getting very acceptable quality with the camera. So good quality is possible and takes better semi-light pictures than TyTn I - see here: http://www.pocketables.net/2007/12/california-thro.html
2. Anything close to acceptable video playback quality
My problems were solved via the latest Core Player. You just need to get the settings right and most videos are fine.
3. 3d acceleration if you play games
Don't use that much though my Duke Nukem is working just fine!!
4.Smooth browsing with Pocket Internet Explorer
There is a very easy fix in CAB form available for the PIE problem that takes less than 10 minutes to solve.
5. Anything close to an acceptable customer service
Never had any need for it so I cannot comment on this.
Back to me again!!
I use both TyTn I and TyTn II. My TyTn II a non branded vHTC device was smooth, fast and usable straight from the box. Video has been sorted by Core Player (latest). Yes the camera takes practice and you need to understand the auto focus (or else you'll get fuzzy pics - but once you get the hang of it it's better than TyTn I)
I was re-setting my TyTn I every two weeks. I have yet to crash my Kaiser and only soft reset after application installation if necessary. I have NEVER had to hard reset the device in several months of ownership.
I would advise against branded devices with loads of bloatware that can cause all sorts of slow downs on any device.
This is the first device I have been able to accept without endless mods and tweaks just to get in semi acceptable. Of course I have done several tweaks, but that's 'cos I enjoy doing it!!
To be honest, my general view is that folk have fewer issues with the Kaiser than the TyTn I and certainly fewer alignment and screen problems. Hanging and freezing were common on TyTn I, I hardly see that on the Kaiser and when it does it seems that if you leave it for a couple of minutes it sorts itself ou rather than needing a soft reset.
YES, if you read here or any of the Fora, you will see folk talking about nothing but problems. This is a FALSE picture - of course folk post their problems, that's what the forum is for!!
I have been around here since before the TyTn I and on balance I would not hesitate in opting for the Kaiser, though I still like the TyTn I Hermes as a very capable device - but it needs love and a lot of tweaks!!
Mike
Thanks for the input guys.
But seriously if you are buying a device by keeping in mind that it will run each and everything which you throw on it, than i think no one will buy this device...Its not about rich and all...I'll be getting this device as my primary fone and it will be performing everywork, from excel to presentation...Emails/browsing.
But after reading all the reviews and all its totally holding me back to get this device. I was more inclined to "HTC Advantage" but due to its size its holding me back..i just can't carry that brick everywhere with me..where as TytnII was the perfect for me...but its drivers are making major issue here.
I don't want to go with TytnI....i want to stick to the latest phone because in few months or so new WM 7 will be launching soon ..and when WM 7 going to Launch than no one will give a flying**** to tytnI ....
What i'm looking in device is:
Sliding QWERTY keyboard
GPS
Fast Processor above 500Mhz
I never thought to look on ebay actually. Is it the same system to unlock a tilt aswell as a vario III. just thinking because the tilt is american and the Vario III is on T-Mobile in the uk. Anyone recomend a good seller on ebay?
al just thought i would try a virgin sim and that works but when i put my 3 sim in it says its locked. rather strange
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qbaDLzOU_Y
Comparing web-browsing. kaiser VS the first HTC smartphone model.
I know there are fixes for this @ Xda, but this shows, that everything is´nt alright with the Kaiser.
And HTC does nothing. - cause this is not a problem right? ^^
I Hope I get som reactions @ HTC.
Damn.. even with the IE fix posted on this site, it's still not as smooth as that.
disgusting!!!!!!!!!! i wanna get a TYTN 1 now!!!!!
Screw the TYTN1, give me that fugly 90's phone! I bet its Bluetooth stack actually works too!
Pretty ridiculous, they better get on it.
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Excellent video. Shows up the issue with IE scrolling right away
I doubt HTC will do anything though, they only care about shipping out old products whilst making new cash-cows.
I bet we'll soon hear rumours of the "Tytn III" with high speed video and slimmer design.
This is definitely my last HTC purchase, hell the iGroan looks way way better now (even though hardware limited, locked in, and costly)
Alas not having a video camera, I cant make a video. It would be nice if someone can post a similar video of the camera issues (comparing camera jitter at various resolutions, and speed)
The stockholders have our money, why the hell would they care about us?
Loyal customers asking for things to be 'set right' do not get the attention of chairmen and stockholders, quarterly profits do.
If enough loyal customers never buy an HTC product again, that MIGHT effect profit enough to grow a concern (but they will not know why, and will never connect it to those who begged for a fix.)
Based on their past response and handling of the situation, potential loss is the only thing that can grow attention.
I'd say
1) A lawsuit that could generate bad publicity
2) Very poor reviews for new products outlining issues like this.
Could work well on gaining attention from those in charge, neither of those has been done above. I do know of developers in HTC who would like to work on a fix, but the management will not devote resources on it. The development team IS aware of the issue from quotes and responses I've seen. It's up to us to somehow push the chairmen to want to devote resources on the development of a fix.
Sorry for poor sentence structure, I'm very tired.
Added it to the wiki:
http://www.htcwiki.com/page/HTC+TyTN+II+Video+Issues
BTW does anyone have a link to that fix? Haven't heard of a fix for the poor scrolling yet.
Great work, actually the first video showing that the performance is actually worse than on older devices.
Hopefully it results in more awareness of the video driver issue on the tytn ii.
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Added it to the wiki:
http://www.htcwiki.com/page/HTC+TyTN+II+Video+Issues
BTW does anyone have a link to that fix? Haven't heard of a fix for the poor scrolling yet.
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Thanks!
here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337521
IE-Explorer Scrolling
Use Kaiser Tweaks to get the IE-scrolling right. PocketIE, D-Pad Scroll Navigation. Enable it to scroll with the D-Pad. (Default behavior tabs between form fields and hyperlinks).
Heh, I was just playing with an old Wizard, and even that is faster
It's so sad .
I have an old wizard too, just replaced that for my tytnII.
If I didnt really like the built in GPS and HSPDA functions I'd go back for now...
If you guys are interested I can post a video of my Linux phone running Opera. It's extremely smooth.
I called the HTC support, cause wanted to provide them with my youtube video, but he said they where aware of the issue, and looking into it right now, and was not intersted in the youtube video,
Hi All,
I currently own an HTC magician. I want a new phone with everything the magician has plus GPS, WIFI, more RAM, and a keyboard. The only phone I found that comes close is the Kaiser, but I've heard such bad things about the video driver problem.
Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?
Do I have any other options with those specs?
Thanks,
Daniel
I have a Kaiser and I am very happy with it, because I can do so much with it. However if a bit of lag annoys you greatly it may not be for you.
Surur
NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!
wait for kaiser fix
If video is not heavily used, buy it now. I bought it recently and like it very mcuh. But higher performance is still demanded...
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I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
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better device with 3g, wifi, and wm6? like what?
get the kaiser...it's no slower then any other wm6 device out there and although yes it would be nice if we could play more games, normal res video runs perfectly fine.
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NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!
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This may all be true if you're still using the stock ROM. There are some really smokin' cooked ROMs out there that really speed things up and make the Kaiser a truly enjoyable device.
One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.
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One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.
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So you equate flashing a cooked ROM with clicking the "Defrag" button? One is a feature built into the operating system, the other can void your warranty and potentially brick your device. They're nowhere near the same thing.
I'm telling everybody I know to avoid HTC like the plague. Not so much directly because of the video issues, but because of their lack of accountability. They deliberately released a crippled device in hopes that nobody would notice, and are now working on some half-assed "fix" only because of the publicity that was generated by the XDA community.
Get one. I was in the same boat hesitating about the drivers. I am glad i made my decision. I upgraded from a 8525. Glad i did i have everything i need in one device. GPS Wifi, processing power. Im not sure what the full potential of this chip is supposed to be but its fast. I actually got mine refurbished from att about a month ago. After using it i ended up buying another one today for my wife and paying full price. Im not disatisfied. Definatly waht i would expect out of a 400 dollar phone.
Like most answers, it lives in the question.
"Because of Video Problems". Do you need or want to view videos not converted to 320x240 resolution? If you do need or want that that from your new expensive mobile device, then pass. ---- NO KAISER FOR YOU!
If you want a snappy interface and quick file browsing experience, then wait for the HTC "fixes". But still forget lag-free video at source resolutions above 320x240. ---------- > Get a Kaiser, and hope you can fix it.
Do you want fancy graphical VGA games or anything 3D? Forget the Kaiser.
Do you want a Windows Mobile 6 device that has real GPS, WiFi, 3G, Edge, 2 cameras (one for video calls, one for decent pics), querty keyboard, and bluetooth? And are able to put up with the device doing NONE of those things particularly well, then ----> Get a Kaiser.
I have a Kaiser. I live through its quirks. Its a fun device depending on your definition of "fun".
Do I regret paying $850+ for my device even knowing I was an early adopter? Yes. The device advertised was not the device delivered.
Would I discourage others from buying it at a $200 USD price point? No.
But then again, its up to you and what you expect from your device.
With Schap's ROM (4.31) and Coreplayer 1.2 i needn't a fix for "video pb"
I don't play 3D game.
Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!
Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...
fredbred said:
Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...
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which is why you should try a cooked rom. the internet scrolling thing u mention? its a bug in pie, there;s a fix for that......if you decide to stick to pie, cause lets face it, pie is a pile of **** anyways. try opera mini or mobile. oh and btw......i did get my tilt for under $200
as for the OPs question, there are tons of posts here about the performance of these devices (you might also want to look in the upgrading section to see the performance of cooked roms) and I'm not gonna dd anymore to it. At the end of the day, you are the one who has to make the decision, and you are the one who will be using this device, my advice to you is just choose wisely......i took the jump and got it even after hearing about the video issues, and i never regretted it.
Just get a Kaiser and wait till end of March when the drivers will be released.
MACkjam said:
Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!
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If you buy this phone you'll be taking a risk. It may be a small risk depending on what you'll have to pay, but a risk nonetheless of not being satisfied. At least you will have made your choice in good conscience and aware of the situation. Truth is we shouldn't have to compare this device to much older ones and say it's better. It shouldn't warrant a comparison at all but since it does there is obviously a problem. There are those that will tell you their TyTN II is "SUPER ACCEPTABLE!" but that's hardly the point. I didn't buy this thing believing it would have acceptable performance. This device is supposed to kick ass and we believe it would if it used the complete architecture of the chip inside. I got mine for $700 and my plan here on out is to just grin and bear it. There isn't an alternative device available yet and HTC has us over the fence on this thing. The anticipated fix is not going to address our concern of enabling the second core of the chip we paid for. I can confirm for you my experiences with the TyTN II and keep in mind this is before I 'dragged it through my backside' by flashing the ROM. (By the way why in the world would it matter whether it's been flashed or how many times programs have been installed/uninstalled?)
- Video playback is fine if my source is 320 X 240. I have always re-encoded my video anyway in an effort to save space and optimize everything. For this reason I didn't know there was a video playback problem right away.
- The camera is almost unusable. I have turned on the on-screen fps display and in sunlight I get ~18fps, in ambient light make that ~4fps and if it's semi dark forget about it. This effects taking pictures and taking video. The video I shoot ends up looking like a blurry mess and any picture I take better be of a stationary subject or else I will usually miss the shot. Interestingly enough the device takes great photos though.
- Screen rotation is a sore subject. I want the thing to be fluid but instead I have to watch it redraw slowly and in seperate pieces.
- Scrolling - it isn't certain that scrolling problem is a result of the missing drivers. I have to say that scrolling isn't very good but there is a fix on this forum to make it more reasonable.
- GPS works great, I've never had an issue with it although it kills the battery fast. Especially fast when using Google maps or live search because then you have the active GPRS data session combined with the gps.
- Battery life - I have a 1600mAH bat and I have to charge it every day but then again I auto download podcasts and such so I am partially to blame. As I understand it the drivers would increase battery life.
That's about it from me. Sorry this post is so long, let me wrap it up. I don't think anyone can tell you to buy or not to buy. You'll just have to make a decision yourself. At least it will be an informed decision, unlike mine.
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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
even with no video drivers, it's still the best branded phone in the US. theres nothing better. (yet)
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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!!! I couldn't agree more with you!!!
I think that people expect to dial to Pluto with live feeds from the nethergalaxy and back!!!
gqstatus0685 said:
...I work for AT&T...
I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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Awesome! So it is the official AT&T position that we should all install cooked ROMs on our Tilts? Is that what you tell your customers? And it won't void the warranty? That's fantastic news.
Can you please post your store number and employee ID number so your statement can be confirmed with AT&T corporate? Thanks!
Coolsmartphone are doing a day by day review with a guy using it for a week. At least we'll find out about things like battery life!
days 1 and 2 are up, and u can ask quesions in the forum post for each day.
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/
Great review
Thx! Really Really nice review! Take a look ppl!
I for one have confirmed to buying this phone after watching this video. The video
showed that the keys are very responsive when dialing numbers, which is really important I think.
yeah, and you can ask him questions to answer in the next days review. If you can't be bothered to register to add a question, just ask here and i'll post it there.
I don't think he has been asked, what Version Tomtom Navigator he tried on it, and if this was delivered with the device or did he install it on his own?
lots of people have already asked that in day3..
Check here first:
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12471
Day 4
Day 4 has just been uploaded...
@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called new folder and though it showed up in the TouchFlo 3D app. However you should have MOVED the picture rather than COPYING it as the app will have picked up the original, or you should have seen the image twice. Could you re-do the test as a MOVE rather than COPY.
2. Could you try some games on the screen to see how they behave under VGA, try worms world party from jamdat if you can download the demo, and see if its easy to aim, you should have 6/7 steps between horizontal and vertical aim.
3. Using TomTom could you compare the calculating route time between two devices calculating the same route. Also brows the map on the diamond, and zoom fully out from street level to the whole of the map (UK or Europe) to let us see how quickly it re-renders the map.
Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
juiceppc said:
Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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You need a media player that can utilise the hardware acceleration of the Qualcomm chipset, such as Core Player 1.2
posted!
btw did everyone notice in day 4, it seems all 5 UMTS bands are supported
Did they manage to put the correct antenna's in or maybe its just because its a test handset.
imranbashir_uk said:
@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called ......
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juiceppc said:
Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Yeah, but as imranbashir_uk said, Windows Media Player is not the best software to use. Does anyone know if the phone in these reviews has the same software as the version that will be sold? If it does, that video problem might put the most lazy consumers off getting it.
nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom, not for sale on it
some athenas were shipped with test roms, but that was only by compusa who were closing down i think.
but shipping what is their biggest release so far of 08, with great new enhancements without being complete would be utterly stupid [wait isnt that what happened with kaiser video drivers? ]
Rory
No that was test firmware only. It says so when he powers up the device. Also I don’t think the full firmware is going to be any better unless they can somehow hack windows media player to utilise the hardware acceleration of the chipset.
To visualise what I’m talking about think about windows just after a fresh install, the resolution is VGA, and the colour depth is only 16-Bit, its only after you install the drivers for your graphics card (Radeon) that you get to actually utilise the hardware.
In terms of the Diamond, Core Player 1.2 recognises the enabled graphics acceleration within the Qualcomm chipset and the software is able to fully utilise it.
yep and its worth paying whatever it costs because it utilised my athenas imageon too.. [i dont think that has drivers either]
rorydaredkign said:
nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom
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Yeah, obviously those would be changed (and yes, I did see them, so please stop treating me like a retard - why would I have asked that question if I had not seen them?), but I'm not familiar with how much these ROMs change between test and final versions. For some companies that change is very small, whereas for others (Planetside) there can be a lot of change.
Also, I've finished watching day 4 now, and I think the Touch Diamond did fairly well in the battery test. Obviously it lost, but it only used roughly 33% more battery power than the other phone and he was using them pretty heavily.
Won’t change that much unfortunately, most of HTC’s software is modular hence the reason it can be easily ported. The main difference I guess would be that the latest AKU of WM 6.1 will be incorporated.
If you think about it, its not in HTC’s interest to send out poor quality software to reviewers as most peoples judgments will be based on these reviews until they get to play with a mates version who was a early adopter.
Meh. Sendo sent out a phone to reviewers and subsequently went bust.
well another example is debug builds of all the exe's which spam logs with information about which functions are running, and contain extra structures to hold debug info. So you never really can be sure.
I'm sure that HTC will continue to tweak the rom with updates for a few months after release at the least.
Generally agree that they will continue to tweak the ROM, but would they really send debug builds to reviewers? Hmmm not too sure about that one...
I am still within the grace period with my diamond, meaning that I have a few more days with which to give it back to orange should I not be happy, no questions asked.
I have updated the ROM and Radio. This has made the device's UI a pleasure to use! I appreciate how much the Diamond is capable of despite its miniscule size also - particular its excellent Opera browser and screen resolution combo.
However, there are some faults which it seems are non-rectifiable and could cause me problems in the long-run:
weak battery
poor speaker volume and clarity
So my question is this - all things considered, what would YOU do? Would you stick with the Diamond or go for an alternative like the Samsung Omnia or Blackberry Bold. I ask you all because no-one knows more about the Diamond than the people here.
I can understand this is a subjective issue, but your thoughts and recommendations are most welcome.
Thanks,
S.
In hindsight of all of the problems I have been having and the lack of Windows Mobile support these days, to be honest, I would probably ditch it. It pains me to say this, and I expect I will get flamed for it, but I cannot deal with the bugs and lack of performance anymore.
See here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2584550&postcount=5 for my grumbles
consider yourself flamed by a happy diamond user for over 3 month !
i should like to show you my diamond, to drive a few km with iGO8 and to let you listen a few good trance tracks with my BT stereo headphones and coreplayer. i always get up in time with "klaxon". look here for my and others nice pics taken with the badmouthed camera:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2556974&postcount=21
tweak the sh*t out of it and ditch the TF3D lol
KukurikU said:
consider yourself flamed!
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well all of my grumbles are perfectly legitimate - annoying things that spoil my enjoyment of this otherwise fabulous phone. It doesnt look like these issues are even being acknowledged by HTC too..
The thing that probably annoys me the most is that I never had these issues (A2DP not working, alarm not functioning etc) with my original HTC Touch, which is a vastly inferior phone.
darthbane2k said:
In hindsight of all of the problems I have been having and the lack of Windows Mobile support these days, to be honest, I would probably ditch it. It pains me to say this, and I expect I will get flamed for it, but I cannot deal with the bugs and lack of performance anymore.
See here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2584550&postcount=5 for my grumbles
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Only one post for your grumbles, what about all the threads
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Only one post for your grumbles, what about all the threads
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Instead of the wisecracks, why not suggest ways I can fix the problems I am experiencing with this device... you cant can you? And thats really my problem. You mock me as if I dont have a right to raise these issues, yet I paid good money for a device that now seems is not fit for purpose.
And ditching TF3D is not the answer... TF3D isnt the problem.
KukurikU said:
consider yourself flamed by a happy diamond user for over 3 month !
i should like to show you my diamond, to drive a few km with iGO8 and to let you listen a few good trance tracks with my BT stereo headphones and coreplayer. i always get up in time with "klaxon". look here for my and others nice pics taken with the badmouthed camera:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2556974&postcount=21
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So you claim I am making up all my problems?
Yeah GPS works fine, but you can catagorically state there is no lag by a few metres?
You can catagorically state that the camera produces sharp clear images with no fuss?
You can catagorically state that A2DP doesnt have any bugs and works flawlessly? Like I said, sure you can listen to music using A2DP, but try recieving a call and going back to the music...
Many many people report these same problems - they are bugs, but people like you deny them and continue to claim that the HTC Diamond runs flawlessly. It doesnt.
darthbane2k said:
Instead of the wisecracks, why not suggest ways I can fix the problems I am experiencing with this device... you cant can you? And thats really my problem. You mock me as if I dont have a right to raise these issues, yet I paid good money for a device that now seems is not fit for purpose.
And ditching TF3D is not the answer... TF3D isnt the problem.
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look m8, i really understand yr frustration and i really feel sorry but what else can we advice you except flashing a new cooked ROM and change yr radio (i am using 08 now)?? believe me i sometimes wonder why my diamond does everything yours doesn't? there are many ppl here very happy with this device. how can be this explained? i've read here about very basic flows i can not reproduce on my diamond....
read again my first post here, i edited since you answered. look at the pics! no secret there....pics i took with the diamond.
can you pay me a visit? i gladly take care of yr diamond in 1 hour. no cost (except a 6 pack for both of us).
darthbane2k said:
So you claim I am making up all my problems?
Yeah GPS works fine, but you can catagorically state there is no lag by a few metres?
You can catagorically state that the camera produces sharp clear images with no fuss?
You can catagorically state that A2DP doesnt have any bugs and works flawlessly? Like I said, sure you can listen to music using A2DP, but try recieving a call and going back to the music...
Many many people report these same problems - they are bugs, but people like you deny them and continue to claim that the HTC Diamond runs flawlessly. It doesnt.
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1. no, i do believe you.
2. no lag at all
3. look again at the pics i posted...not so bad for a PDA camera. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2556974&postcount=21
4. yes, a2dp works perfect (with coreplayer, i didn't even try it with the original player).
5. i can speak for myself only: no problem at all, "0", zilch, nada...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415852
Hmm, not sure why this thread has focussed on the camera thus far - that's not a problem imho.
I would like to hear about interface, battery and speaker issues in particular.
Thanks for the responses though!
You've got to be honest with yourself really... what's the most important thing about a phone to you, and can your needs be met with less headache elsewhere?
This was never going to be a phone for everyone, but for me there is nothing else on the market that comes close... why, because I want all the toys in as small a package as possible, if this phone was even a fraction bigger I wouldn't give it a second glance. Indeed, I'd prefer it even smaller, and the diamond is the first phone of the all singing and dancing variety that's finally been made small enough for me to take the plunge. This makes the things about the phone that irritate me rather superfluous... if I can't tweak around it or find a different app, I just live with it or work around it.
Life, along with mobile phones, isn't perfect; compromises have to be made along the way... get your priorities sorted, and one way or another you'll get the answer you require.