I searched the forums but found nothing so far regarding this subject.
AT&T is rolling out a new system as of February 1st which will capture the MAC address of devices. The purpose of this system is to keep people from illegally tethering their devices with a PC in order to use the data service. AT&T is also looking to lock customers into specific data plans depending on the type of device a person has. At this time AT&T cannot tell what type of device a person has until this new system is in place.
Does anyone know of a program which can mask or hide the MAC address for the Kaiser/Tilt/etc?
Any help would be appreciated
Keith
newbie with a Tilt
What proof do you have of this? I have never heard of it.
I would be curious as to how this will work. When tethered, your phone is, in essence, a router, and MAC addresses do not pass through a router. When a router passes traffic through it, it rewrites the data packets with its own MAC address so it can identify them coming back.
Unless I'm missing something...
Not sure.... but at least in Windows XP mac addys can be easily spoofed via a registry edit. You have me curious so I'm looking into it.
Initial research indicates MAC addys are not held in the clear. That makes spoofing more difficult than a simple registry edit. I'm open to suggestions.
All the info are completely non-sense.
1. MAC address has nothing to do w/ tethering.
2. ATT does not (and cannot) need MAC to figure out what device is using the network. They can use IMEI and I believe they are using it already.
jackleung said:
All the info are completely non-sense.
1. MAC address has nothing to do w/ tethering.
2. ATT does not (and cannot) need MAC to figure out what device is using the network. They can use IMEI and I believe they are using it already.
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Purely academic inquiry....
Why do you say they cannot read the MAC addy?
They could probably get your IP address using ARP, but more than likely just use your device's IMEI number
jackleung said:
All the info are completely non-sense.
1. MAC address has nothing to do w/ tethering.
2. ATT does not (and cannot) need MAC to figure out what device is using the network. They can use IMEI and I believe they are using it already.
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Of COURSE they're using your IMEI. That's how they know that your phone is on their network. That has nothing to do with what the OP was posting about.
MAC addresses have everything to do with tethering because if you had any clue about the OSI model, you would know that Layer 1 is the physical layer and Layer 2 is the data-link layer. That is where the MAC addresses are. Layer 3 is the network layer, which is where the IP addresses live.
Now, since you're transmitting TCP/IP packets across AT&T's network, you're using all 7 layers, but more importantly, you are definitely using MAC and IP addresses (layers 2 and 3).
So yes, it is important, but HOW important has yet to be determined. I doubt AT&T has the ability to track that, but I'm waiting for proof from the OP.
Well I was advised by a friend who works at the corporate headquarters in GA.
AT&T is using IMEI and the MAC address as of February. They will also be rolling out a new unlimited data plan for $30/month. Currently I have the $20 business unlimited data plan which will be no more. Depending on the type of data plan you have (PDA/Business/Smartphone) and device, your internet may be inturrupted due to the new system. For example my current $20 unlimited business2mobile data plan will no longer work on my Tilt once the new system is in place. At that point I will need to call AT&T to upgrade my data package to the new $30/month plan since older unlimited data packages will be discontinued and/or incompatible with my Tilt. From what I was told, my current data plan will not be allowed on the Tilt as it will be restricted by the IMEI of the device. Unlimited data family plans (all phones under your plan) will also be offered seperate from txt msging packages. Not sure of the pricing for the Unlimited Family data plan.
All these restrictions on the supposed "Unlimited" data plans is bull crap. If I'm paying for "unlimited" data it should not matter whether I am tethering or not, the TOS can eat me.
Sorry if I rambled, just trying to clarify the reason I started this thread.
Thanks
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MAC addresses have everything to do with tethering because if you had any clue about the OSI model, you would know that Layer 1 is the physical layer and Layer 2 is the data-link layer. That is where the MAC addresses are. Layer 3 is the network layer, which is where the IP addresses live.
Now, since you're transmitting TCP/IP packets across AT&T's network, you're using all 7 layers, but more importantly, you are definitely using MAC and IP addresses (layers 2 and 3).
So yes, it is important, but HOW important has yet to be determined. I doubt AT&T has the ability to track that, but I'm waiting for proof from the OP.
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I am working in the networking field and of course I do understand what OSI or datalink layer is about.
But if you really read the question of thread, it is asking tethering which I will assume the poster asking about if ATT able to figure out the MAC address of PC which is sharing the internet behind our Tilt. Then the answer is no, because MAC address is the physical address of next hub. From ATT network point of view, they will found Tilt mac address but not our PC. Our Tilt is like our home router, ISP can only sees it's MAC address but not the the MAC address of the internal network. That's why I said MAC address has nothing to do w/ tethering analysis.
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I am working in the networking field and of course I do understand what OSI or datalink layer is about.
But if you really read the question of thread, it is asking tethering which I will assume the poster asking about if ATT able to figure out the MAC address of PC which is sharing the internet behind our Tilt. Then the answer is no, because MAC address is the physical address of next hub. From ATT network point of view, they will found Tilt mac address but not our PC. Our Tilt is like our home router, ISP can only sees it's MAC address but not the the MAC address of the internal network. That's why I said MAC address has nothing to do w/ tethering analysis.
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Perhaps I was reading too much into the OP's question. I was thinking the intention was to spoof the MAC addy presented to ATT to perhaps subvert restrictions on the data network. If the IMEA needs to be spoofed as well, then <shrug> I dunno.
I have the 19.99 media net max plan with 200 text messages and unlimited data. are they getting rid of that plan?
They have already, look:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/services/services-list.jsp?LOSGId=4002301919
Keep it. Don't change it at all.
Since I already had this plan, they cant force me to change it..
They can force us to change our data plans because of the type of phone we have. They will tell use the data plan we currently have is no longer compatible with the Tilt. Sucks I know.
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I come from the Verizon world, where you could not authenticate through tethering unless you paid the extra $15/month. (But PDANet did work just fine). I have seen posts (albeit older dates) that claim people were charged heavy data rates for tethering when they did not have a data plan that included it.
I am using a Tilt and have the $59.00 Tether data plan. I am able to tether using either APN: wap.cingular or isp.cingular.
My friend has a Tilt with the $49.00 data plan without tethering (but with SMS). I tested his phone and could only get it to connect using wap.cingular for tethering.
So my questions are:
1) Do I actually need the tethering plan or can I reduce my plan and use wap.cingular? (I know it works but it leads me to the next question)
2) If you use wap.cingular without the tethering plan will you get charged the outrageous data rates?
3) What is the actual difference between the two APN's?
Thanks for any info you can provide!
SC
#1 and #2. For tethering legally, yes, you must have laptop connect. With Internet Sharing on the newer phones, it makes it harder for AT&T to prevent you from doing this (without being charged), but they most likely will eventually get you.
For #2, see this thread, specfically the crumbfire post. He explains it excellently:
http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/...thread.id=47397&view=by_date_ascending&page=2
Hi:
I have searched and searched with no luck. I am on an ATT Tilt, and would like to use PdaNet to connect PC to internet through phone. I have yet to be able to get it to work properly. I get dial up error=721 (state=8193). I used PdaNet on my Treo 750 (which I had prior to the Tilt), and it worked perfectly, so I'm just not sure what I'm doing wrong.
Any ideas what the problem could be?
I am on an unlimited pda plan, but don't want to incur additional charges (such as the tethering plan), for very minimal, occasional tethering use, so ideally I would like to connect in a way that I won't be "caught", lol.
Any help would really be appreciated!
I'm use Internet Sharing via Bluetooth or USB to connect my laptop via my phone for Internet access. This is without a tethering plan from AT&T. The plan I have is $39.99/month, however they have a cheaper plan - MediaNet w/unlimited Data and 200 TXT MSG. Others have been using this plan without any issues. I ma venture to try this soon.
cincy1020,
For your problem with dial-up, you're not adding a modem via your pc. Try it with the USB cable first -- go to Internet sharing on the phone and select USB and click Connect. Connect your USB cable to your laptop and it should detect a network card and get an IP address. No need for dialup. You will have to install Active Sync on your laptop (I find it easier).
I think you're trying to use a modem which will probably require a tethering plan and that's probably why you're having the dialup error.
cincy1020
Well here's the deal for GPRS. You do not need PDANet. So give your license to someone who is still on CDMA somewhere. You first need to install the driver for the HTC Kaiser/Tilt as a USB Modem. A few forum searches will find the inf to install in windows. Then you simply set up a DUN connection using that USB modem. The number should be *99# and make sure to add this line as extra init options:
ATZ+CGDCONT=1,"IP","ISP.CINGULAR"
For Bluetooth, first you need to install the latest Toshiba Bluetooth Stack for Windows. Don't use the microsoft one. Then just set up a BT Dun connection with the same settings.
Hope that helps...
i've seen a lot of posts about this subject and i'm clueless, now i read the thread form the link provided above and it helps a little, but were do look on my phone to find out what i have? also for at&t users, what's the difference between media max 200, the 19.99 plan and the data connect 39.99 plan, i know the text messaging etc and both are unlimited data, and you "can't" use media max w/a tilt even i've heard you can, but in terms of using the internet and surfing the web what's the difference. Thanks
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cincy1020
Well here's the deal for GPRS. You do not need PDANet. So give your license to someone who is still on CDMA somewhere. You first need to install the driver for the HTC Kaiser/Tilt as a USB Modem. A few forum searches will find the inf to install in windows. Then you simply set up a DUN connection using that USB modem. The number should be *99# and make sure to add this line as extra init options:
ATZ+CGDCONT=1,"IP","ISP.CINGULAR"
For Bluetooth, first you need to install the latest Toshiba Bluetooth Stack for Windows. Don't use the microsoft one. Then just set up a BT Dun connection with the same settings.
Hope that helps...
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Hi:
Thanks for the reply. I already have WModem installed by default. Is this the same thing?
Thanks!
Just use internet sharing. No need to configure a dialup modem/etc.
brainlb,
There doesn't seem to be much difference between the two plans you mentioned. I spoke to AT&T about this and they told me since I have a PDA phone I need the PDA connect plans and according to their system the MediaMax 200 is not compatible with my phone. However, a few people in the forums said they are using the MediaMax 200 plan without any problems. I may try this one day but not sure as yet.
so were on my phone do i look to find out whether i have .wap or .isp, or something else? Thanks
SORRY TO THREAD JACK BUT,
I JUST WANT LIVE UPDATES ON MY PHONE, MOSTLY WEATHER ON MY BACKGROUND. WOULD I NEED THIS?
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph....jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku950103&catId=cat1510009
OR COULD GET A SMALLER DATA PLAN AND UPDATE EVERYTHING WHEN I CONNECT. WHAT IS THE BEST PLAN WITHOUT TETHERING?
Technically its supposed to be a PDA plan for our phones, However, I added the following plan to my sons phone and its been fine .. He doesn't pull tons of data so it hasn't flagged anything. If you don't need text messaging included then I'd look at the following:
Smartphone Connect Unlimited $19.99
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku1040059&catId=cat1510009
I chose that over the MEdiaNet plan as I figured it would cause less suspicion with the data being used.
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Technically its supposed to be a PDA plan for our phones, However, I added the following plan to my sons phone and its been fine .. He doesn't pull tons of data so it hasn't flagged anything. If you don't need text messaging included then I'd look at the following:
Smartphone Connect Unlimited $19.99
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku1040059&catId=cat1510009
I chose that over the MEdiaNet plan as I figured it would cause less suspicion with the data being used.
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THAT PLAN SAYS YOU ARE CHARGED FOR THE DATA YOU SEND AND REVIEVE. WHAT IS MEANT BY DATA SENT AND REVIEVED?, DOES THAT MEAN DOWNLOAD, AS IN RINGTONES?
I JUST TALKED WITH A REP FROM AT&T. THEY TOLD ME THE SMARTPHONE CONNECT UNLIMITED ISN'T FOR THE TILT. ( <AS STATED BY WARLOARD, WHAT PHONE DOES YOU SON HAVE? )
CAN I GET THAT ON MY TILT ANYWAY, AND GET A FAMILY TEXTING PLAN
LIKE THIS, THEN I SHOULD HAVE UNLIMITED DATA AND MY WHOLE FAMILY HAS TEXTING.
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph....jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku980095&catId=cat1470003
I have a Tilt and am on a unlimited data plan. Now there is a legal way to tether that Att doesn't tell you about. Current plans selling at the ATT stores have PDA MEdia Connect with messaging. Starting at 39.99 and goes up from there with some referring to tethering. if you do not have a tethering plan you cannot connect to isp.cingular or suppose to. I called up ATT about a issue I had with VOIP needing to access a full internet instead of a wap.cingular proxy internet cause I was on the PDA Media Conenct plan. That how I found out about another plan called PDA Connect Unlimited for 39.99 without messaging that allows wap.cingular and isp.cingular connections. The ATT rep stated as long as you are authorized to connect to isp.cingular you can tether.
Savage Life said:
I JUST TALKED WITH A REP FROM AT&T. THEY TOLD ME THE SMARTPHONE CONNECT UNLIMITED ISN'T FOR THE TILT. ( <AS STATED BY WARLOARD, WHAT PHONE DOES YOU SON HAVE? )
CAN I GET THAT ON MY TILT ANYWAY, AND GET A FAMILY TEXTING PLAN
LIKE THIS, THEN I SHOULD HAVE UNLIMITED DATA AND MY WHOLE FAMILY HAS TEXTING.
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph....jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku980095&catId=cat1470003
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Correct most Reps will not add it as they know its not the proper plan. However you can add it yourself in most instances without going thru CS by logging into your ATT online account manager and going to Phone/Device and Add/Remove Features.
potpeye said:
I have a Tilt and am on a unlimited data plan. Now there is a legal way to tether that Att doesn't tell you about. Current plans selling at the ATT stores have PDA MEdia Connect with messaging. Starting at 39.99 and goes up from there with some referring to tethering. if you do not have a tethering plan you cannot connect to isp.cingular or suppose to. I called up ATT about a issue I had with VOIP needing to access a full internet instead of a wap.cingular proxy internet cause I was on the PDA Media Conenct plan. That how I found out about another plan called PDA Connect Unlimited for 39.99 without messaging that allows wap.cingular and isp.cingular connections. The ATT rep stated as long as you are authorized to connect to isp.cingular you can tether.
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The ATT Rep apparently doesn't seem to know what he was talking about which unfortunately happens a lot. They do need to train their CS reps better. Call 5 times and you'll get 4 answers.
First they wrongfully gave you help on VOIP as its against ATTs Wireless Data Services Terms and Conditions:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/plan-terms.jsp
PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS, TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS; (III) FOR VOICE OVER IP; .....<rest snipped for brevity>....
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And for tethering:
FURTHERMORE, PLANS (UNLESS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR TETHERING USAGE) CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY APPLICATIONS THAT TETHER THE DEVICE (THROUGH USE OF, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, CONNECTION KITS, OTHER PHONE/PDA-TO-COMPUTER ACCESSORIES, BLUETOOTH® OR ANY OTHER WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY) TO LAPTOPS, PCS, OR OTHER EQUIPMENT FOR ANY PURPOSE.
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The CS Rep was correct that if you tether with a handset your supposed to use the isp.cingular APN (or else you'll incur additional data charges) but just because your provisioned to use that APN doesn't automatically mean your authorized to tether without being on a tethering plan. For instance I have the PDA Connect Unlimited plan which include the isp.cingular APN (unlike the PDA Max plans) and I can tell you tethering is not allowed. I've been thru 3 levels of data services support (business/premier support is a lot more trained) on this subject confirming the differences in plans doing research for the ATT forums under the username "Planet-Ed" helping others and working with the moderators their.
Beat em at their own game
ecltech said:
Just use internet sharing. No need to configure a dialup modem/etc.
brainlb,
There doesn't seem to be much difference between the two plans you mentioned. I spoke to AT&T about this and they told me since I have a PDA phone I need the PDA connect plans and according to their system the MediaMax 200 is not compatible with my phone. However, a few people in the forums said they are using the MediaMax 200 plan without any problems. I may try this one day but not sure as yet.
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Looking at a few of the posts here, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents...don't know anything about the tethering, no need for it. As far as the different plans go, if you get an answer u don't like, just call 'em right back up. After I originally got the tilt back in Oct, the cheapest was the bbconnect, which the rep signed me up for, then couldnt tell me how to set it up and ended up taking it off.
you CAN sign up for a couple of the media max/smartphone connect plans on their website, but run the risk of getting charged down the line because those aren't technically data plans, can't remember the exact wording they gave, but not legal for the tilt or other devices which have full keyboards (PDA)...anyways, after about the 3rd call into the reps to get info, one of their geniuses signed me up for the media max unlimited plan w/ 200 messages for $20...he wasn't educated enough to know that it isn't supposed to be used w/ the tilt. The way I see it, they can't go back and overcharge me for being on the wrong plan if THEY signed me up for it...just work the system and use their stupidity for your benefit
potpeye said:
I have a Tilt and am on a unlimited data plan. Now there is a legal way to tether that Att doesn't tell you about. Current plans selling at the ATT stores have PDA MEdia Connect with messaging. Starting at 39.99 and goes up from there with some referring to tethering. if you do not have a tethering plan you cannot connect to isp.cingular or suppose to. I called up ATT about a issue I had with VOIP needing to access a full internet instead of a wap.cingular proxy internet cause I was on the PDA Media Conenct plan. That how I found out about another plan called PDA Connect Unlimited for 39.99 without messaging that allows wap.cingular and isp.cingular connections. The ATT rep stated as long as you are authorized to connect to isp.cingular you can tether.
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Hi:
I am on a PDA unlimited data plan. Can you please tell me what settings you used to setup isp.cingular?
Thanks!
PS: I have searched and searched for the settings, and although I'm sure they are on xda, my search results sure didn't lead me to them.
EDIT: Although I was unable to find the info on XDA. I did find it elsewhere, I haven't yet tried them to see if they work properly, but if not, I guess I will have to spend hours on the fount with tech support to get the correct ones, lol. I will post the settings here just in case anyone needs them:
Under settings/connections/connections:
Look for MY ISP and tap on "add a new modem connection"
Enter a Name for the connection: REAL ISP or something like that
Select a Modem: cellular line (GPRS) for 8125/ cellular line (GPRS 3G) for 8525
use the access point name isp.cingular
On the next page, enter either ISP.CINGULARGPRS.COM or [email protected] (either will work) for username and CINGULAR1 for password (make sure they are all in caps)
Leave Domain name blank
Under advanced, make sure the only things selected are "Use server assigned IP address" and "Use IP header compression" - leave everything else unselected.
Click ok and then finish
PsyOpWarlord said:
And for tethering:
The CS Rep was correct that if you tether with a handset your supposed to use the isp.cingular APN (or else you'll incur additional data charges) but just because your provisioned to use that APN doesn't automatically mean your authorized to tether without being on a tethering plan. For instance I have the PDA Connect Unlimited plan which include the isp.cingular APN (unlike the PDA Max plans) and I can tell you tethering is not allowed. I've been thru 3 levels of data services support (business/premier support is a lot more trained) on this subject confirming the differences in plans doing research for the ATT forums under the username "Planet-Ed" helping others and working with the moderators their.
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So do you happen to know if there IS a plan where tethering is allowed? I also have the PDA Connect Unlimited, and can tether, but don't want to get dinged on my bill so I've been judicious with my use (i.e. emergency only)...
Myabe a better way to ask my question is - how do you get Laptop Connect, do you have to call? It doesn't show up on the website, as I have a family plan - does it need to be a business plan? ugh...
Just got my Tilt last week, and of course had to upgrade to PDA Personal Max plan (had been using MediaMax successfully with my Wizard). But I figured the increased cost was worth it, and that also I'd be able to access isp.cingular (which I had used before when I was on PDAunlimited plan)
Couldn't access ISP at first, so I called tech support. Very nice lady said "You were on MediaMax, now you've upgraded to PDA Personal Max but they haven't turned ISP on - I will do that for you". She did, it worked, no problem at first. Download speed reported by DSLReports was in 600's, vs. 400-500 when on WAP (on Denver's very recently activated 3G).
Then 2 days ago it quit working. I called - first guy couldn't understand what I wanted, kept trying to step me through configuration in Connections for WAP - I said I've already got that going, with and without proxy, no problem. So he says "Then what's your problem?" I say I'm paying for it, I should be able to access ISP, please be sure it's turned on. He doesn't seem to have a clue as to how to do this, or why I would want to. Call ended in frustration.
Next guy I talked to said "ISP is only for tethered plans". I said, "Oh, really, then what am I paying extra for my plan vs. MediaMax?" and he gives me the song and dance about how MediaMax is for Smartphones and PDA Max is for PDA's. I said I didn't think he knew what he was talking about and hung up.
So, what is the real deal? Shouldn't I be able to access ISP?
Would like to hear other's experiences - especially if successfully using ISP and not on tethered plan.
Hey I went through the same exact issue with AT&T about this isp vs wap. Reading all the talk about how isp was better I had my phone upgraded to it. Everything was working fine until around the time I got 3g service upgraded to my area. I noticed I could not connect anymore so i went back to the old wap settings and everything went through. I do not think it is because of 3g that I can't access isp anymore it's just the timeframe in which it happened. Anyway now when you call AT&T it is almost like they got brainwashed into thinking that isp is only for tethering plans. Even though I tell them I had this configured to my account before it literally seems like that they had that memory wiped out from their recolection. Anyways I guess I am not too upset since 3g was upgraded to the area however having access to isp and ispda would be really great. If anyone is lucky enough to devise a way to get this feature added to their 39.99 plan that would be awesome. However like cushcalc said earlier and like what I have gone through it seems that now isp is now tied to tethered $59.99 plans instead.
Also I wanted to add 1 thing to this. All reps swear that this does nothing to increase your speed however they have now become so resistant to even add this feature now to $39.99. So if it's really the same thing why all the hassle to give people what they want?
It takes time to talk to the RIGHT rep.
Don't worry, i went through the same thing. Until i spoke with a lady and told her that "my wap settings works correctly, but i don't want to connect it using wap.cingular anymore, i want to be able to connect to isp.cingular." She did go on mention about the tethering and blah blah blah. And i told her "im not tethering, i need isp.cingular because it assigns an IP ADDRESS to my phone so i can access my computer remotely when im away from the office from my PPC Phone." In conclusion, she did some research and it seems like there's two different $39.99 pda unlimited plans. So i told her i want the pda unlimited plan that has isp.cingular support and for $39.99. So in conclusion, i guess the rep needs to know the difference of the two. Not sure if this helps, but that's how i got my isp.cingular to for for unlimited us at $39.99 a month.
Ok, i just got my tilt a few days ago, it's my first pda/smart phone, what ever. Whats does all this mean and how do i check which i have. i'm on a 39.99 data plan.
I've tried accessing isp.cingular many times.
Always fails.
After reading this post I decided to give them a call seeing as I have the 39.99 PDA Plan.
Well after getting transferred a couple times, the guy told me my phone was provisioned to access either of the APN's, wap.cingular or isp.cingular.
I think I will keep calling back every day until I get someone that knows wtf they are talking about.
I need to be able to access my work VPN, and have to have a static IP
I've been back and forth with AT&T on this. I'm also in Colorado (but Colorado Springs, not Denver) and we just got 3g as well.
I called about needing isp.cingular to access my home VPN. The first rep told me I had to get the $79.99 tethering plan. I said no thanks. I called again the next day and got a rep who knew actually knew what she was talking about.
She said that feature could be added to my account for $3 a month. I agreed, she made the changes, and I hung up the phone happy. I rebooted the phone (her instructions) and tried to make a connection to isp.cingular. No go. Same error message I always get.
Can someone on this thread verify the connection settings?? This is what I have:
Access Point
ISP.CINGULAR
Username
[email protected]
Password
CINGULAR1
I haven't tried calling back yet, but maybe I will tonight.
PDA Connect can connect to isp.cingular. PDA Personal Max cannot. You need to have them change your plan to PDA Connect and you'll be able to access isp.cingular again.
Someone who can connect to ISP, go into your wireless account screen and get the Plan name. Mine is: PDAPERUNL1500MSG and I can't connect to ISP.
here is the weird part, when I activated my phone and called in for it, the rep told me the PDA plans were EXACTLY the same, same cost, everything else the same, except one included 1500 messages. I made him repeat it and said "So there is NO difference whatsoever except one has 1500 messages included?" He said Yes, so I went with it. But I'm willing to bet, the one w/o 1500 messages allows you to connect to ISP.
Ugghh...
Read my post above yours again. That's exactly what I'm saying. I currently have a tethering plan, but I used to have PDA Connect Unlimited and could use isp.cingular also.
You CANNOT use isp.cingular with the PDA Personal plans.
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You CANNOT use isp.cingular with the PDA Personal plans.
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Then why did the AT&T rep tell me I could, but it would cost me an additional $3 a month?? (see attached pic)
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Then why did the AT&T rep tell me I could, but it would cost me an additional $3 a month?? (see attached pic)
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Did it work? Just because a front-line support person tells you something doesn't make it true.
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I called about needing isp.cingular to access my home VPN.
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I'm on the media max plan and VPN just fine.
I've personally done both IPSEC and PPTP vpn on wap.cingular
DLD
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Did it work? Just because a front-line support person tells you something doesn't make it true.
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Obviously, I have to follow-up. The charge is there, for "static IP", which is promising. I will call tomorrow if I have time.
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I'm on the media max plan and VPN just fine.
I've personally done both IPSEC and PPTP vpn on wap.cingular
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I can't seem to make it work! I can connect from another network w/o issues, I just can't from my phone. The only place I see to add the VPN connection is under my "Work" network settings....
If someone would enlighten this OLD dog, I would like to see if my TiLt will connect with the isp.cingular.com
Only problem and reply I can use would be to tell me how and where to adjust the settings.
Be kind.....newb at play with my new toy!
Try this
Try and call them and ask them to set you up on this one "PDACnctUntlAdd" that is the exact name i got when i went to the features page on my at&t account online. And it's only for $39.99 and my isp.cingular works perfectly with 3g connections.
Out of curiosity I tried changing my Tilts MEdia Net settings to go to isp rather then wap, and couldn't make a connection.
Portland Oregon Area, with the 39.99 PDA Personal w/ 1500txt
I get 500-900 on the 3G out here, 80-150ish on EDGE, and around 1.6mbps on my wifi connection through my cable internet. No complaints!
Would like to know what kind of a change this would make though, other then the IP assignment.
Bubbacs
In your Settings / Connections / Connections screen, click "manage existing" and then edit Media Net. First screen is to change name, 2nd screen is to assign wap or isp.
I may be reitterating some information here, but I can tell you as a fact, APN isp.cingular is being reserved for either PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect plan. If you are any of the PDA Personal plans, access to isp.cingular WILL BE TURNED OFF. There are however, a VERY small number of users that (by shear luck) didn't have isp.cingular turned off when they changed from PDA Connect Unlimited to PDA Personal Max.
My advise is.. if you can't get isp.cingular to work, quit beating your head over it and change your plan to PDA Connect, or get a laptop card plan like I did.
I did a long research thread on this at the at&t forums. I cannot access that site anymore, but maybe someone else could dig up a link.
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I may be reitterating some information here, but I can tell you as a fact, APN isp.cingular is being reserved for either PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect plan. If you are any of the PDA Personal plans, access to isp.cingular WILL BE TURNED OFF. There are however, a VERY small number of users that (by shear luck) didn't have isp.cingular turned off when they changed from PDA Connect Unlimited to PDA Personal Max.
My advise is.. if you can't get isp.cingular to work, quit beating your head over it and change your plan to PDA Connect, or get a laptop card plan like I did.
I did a long research thread on this at the at&t forums. I cannot access that site anymore, but maybe someone else could dig up a link.
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Is this the correct one G? http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=49092#M49092
OK, isp.cingular and a real ISP has been discussed quite a bit in the past, especially after the new rom came out and the PDA Personal Max data plan. And this is when the trouble started. Many users lost the ability to use a real ISP and some didn't. Some of the fixes posted worked for some and others it didn't.
For me none of the fixes worked but using APN wap.cingular really did what I needed, so I decided to leave it alone. After I decided to upgrade my data plan to Data Connect, I now NEED to use isp.cingular. I cannot log in my company's VPN unless I use APN isp.cingular. So I was bound and determined to make it work. After much reconnaissance I found all the answers right here on the at&t forums. But there are many pieces to the puzzle and they were spread out all over the place. This is going to be an attempt to put the pieces all in one place so the picture will come together.
Update 05/06/07 1:40pm
I put this information together with the assumption of readers having some working knowledge of Windows Mobile 5 and mobile phone usage. If you are a complete NOOB to the whole WM5 thing this information will create more questions than answers. I am far from being a tech guru and if I can half learn this stuff with both my brain cells, then most other people can too. But still..... noobs enter at your own risk.
The Connection Profiles
Now, the new rom sets up the two network connections, "My ISP" and "Media Net". Refer to here Browser/internet Settings There is a link in that page also for configure and use the My ISP profile. For the MEdia Net connections follow the instructions to the letter. Now the My ISP instructions differ from what the new rom sets up automatically. (and if you call CS the data guys will walk you through those settings in that link) The new rom will have the settings for a "real ISP" connection. You will notice, if you follow those instructions it has you change a couple of things. For one it has you change the APN isp.cingular to wap.cingular. Well this won't give you a "real ISP" connection but it will make the My ISP profile work for web browsing. I did a survey of users on who had "My ISP" working and the ones that answered yes, I bet they were still using wap.cingular in the MY ISP profile. So they were/are not getting a real ISP connection. I will quote from that settings page and maybe it will give you clue on it's purpose for using wap.cingular in the My ISP connection profile:
# Additional features such as Wi-f and device based e-mail along with other 3rd party applications may not be compatible with the proxy settings associated with the MEdia Net profile.
# If there are connection issues with e-mail and/or Wi-Fi, configuring and using the My ISP profile as displayed below may resolve connectivity issues.
# Configuring the AT&T 8525 to use My ISP will disable MEdia Net (WAP) web pages when My ISP is used for connectivity. However, regular Internet (HTML) web page browsing will function as normal.
Now the best I can figure, all this does is give two profiles and both use APN wap.cingular, but one uses a proxy server and one doesn't. Which brings me to my next category.
The Proxy Manager cabs
There are two cab files in a folder called Proxy Manager, under your programs menu. These two cab files enable and disable the proxy settings via a registry edit. Now, to me, if I continue to use the MEdia Net connection for all internet use, and utilize these cab files to disable and enable the proxy, I am doing the same thing as above by setting up those two network connections and swapping back and forth from them. Now once you have the My ISP connection profile set up with "real isp" settings it will be no longer necessary to use these cab files. All you have to do is switch back and forth from MEdia Net and My ISP. The MEdia Net profile has the proxy settings built in and you will have to use it if you want access to the Media Net home page.
http://home or http://device.home
Now on to the next topic....
How Do I Get A "Real ISP" To Work?
After it is all said and done, the bottom line is you have to be on the right data plan. From what I have learn't, you have be on a PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect Unlimited before your account is provisioned to access through isp.cingular. There are a lucky few that when they switched to PDA Personal Max, isp.cingular was not turned off (lucky dogs who's names we shall not speak ). But if it is turned off, CS will NOT turn it back on untill you get on the right data plan and that is the FIRST step. PERIOD Once you do have the right data plan and isp.cingular is "turned on" then it is as simple as setting up My ISP with the "real isp" settings. And thats it! For a recap of those settings refer to RonAnnArbor's post here. You can consider this post a supplement to Ron's.
Something About PIE
Now lets assume you got on the right data plan and isp.cingular is provisioned, and the My ISP profile is set up to use the "real isp" settings but it DOESN'T WORK! You pull up PIE to view a web page and it times out and displays one of those dreaded error messages. Have no fear I found the answer on the at&t forums too. But credit for it should go to the folks over at the XDA site. (man there are some pretty tech savvy folks over there! I wish I was as knowledgeable as those guys) There are some settings in the registry for PIE to auto detect proxy settings. Let's keep it simple and say PIE is "hard coded" in the new rom to always use wap.cingular. So if your connected to isp.cingular, well... you get the picture. That may not be technically accurate, but I think it will be easy for most to understand. (at least for my two brain cells it is ) You will find that everything else that needs access to the internet will work, like email, weather programs, but one will assume they have no internet access if PIE doesn't work. Now lets fix that too, but it will take a registry edit to do it. If you don't know how to do registry editing, I suggest you get a reg editor like Resco or Total Commander and learn how to use it. Now here is what you do. Go to:
HKCU \ Software \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \ Internet Settings
There will be a Dword labeled "EnableAutoDetect". The default value that detects the proxy is "0", you can change it to a "1" but I recommend deleting the entire entry. Also after a reset go back and make sure it is gone. Sometimes the changes don't stick and you will have to do it again. Another thing to remember is DON'T use the Proxy Manager cabs again. The enable proxy cab will re-write those settings back in there.
Update 8/5/07 8:25pm: I have experienced an anomaly of the "EnableAutoDetect" Dword showing back up in the registry after a soft reset. No proxy cabs were used to cause it. At this time I have not figured out the "why" because it happened only twice. I will edit this update if I find the cause/fix. For right now I thought users should be aware of it and delete it again if necessary.
The Technical Side of APN (Or, what's the difference between isp.cingular and wap.cingular?)
Instead of me spouting off a lot of Geek language and acronyms I don't really know, I am going to link to this page. I have posted this link before and the entire page is some really good infomation. For the information related to the title of this paragraph, scroll down to the section labeled "There are two Cingular access points".
Multimedia Messages
If you want ot send/recieve MMSs, this "real isp" connection is not going to work. For over all web browsing, email, weather updates, ect, the MEdia Net profile should work just fine. I leave mine on MEdia Net most of the time. It is only when I am going to tether, or if a web site is acting flaking (that's a techincal term you know) I will switch over to My ISP. If you are connecting through My ISP when a MMS comes in, it will be a text message directing you to www.viewmymessages.com. (As of this writing this is how it seems to work)
Yep, that should be it. Of course all I can see is my ticket to Banville, but from your copy and paste, that should be the one.
FYI, some of the links from the copy/paste are not functional. But you should see them on the OP on the at&t forum.
The full thread can be found here.
Hi!
In german boards there are several speculations about how the N1's WiFi tethering works and how carriers might detect it. But there are no real facts, it seems like there is no one, who really knows about it.
Maybe here are some kind of "cracks", who really know what they are talking about and can provide some real information about it.
How does N1-tethering work? I guess it uses NAT-routing. Is this right? And the probably most important part: How do carriers detect tethering? They officially claim, they could detect it. But the question is, which way do they do this? Can they only detect if you use tethering at all, or do they also have the ability to separate between tethered data and phone's data? Only in that case they would be capable to bill the tethered data (here in Germany some carriers do not prohibit tethering, they can only charge about 50 cent per MB).
Is it possible, that the carrier only detect several devices, that connect to the internet using tethering? I'm a vodafone-customer and I've tried tethering my iPad and my Linux-Netbook several times. Nothing has been charged. Other customers, having the same data-plan, reported, that they habe been charged for tethering within minutes.
Maybe someone can answer my questions.
I dont know how it works but "I would imagine the request headers are what the provider is reading in order to determine the device/browser that is making the request."
http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-3757.html
If it really is like that, then I would just have to use Cisco-VPN on my iPad and they would not be able to read any requests anymore.
But someone in the official German vodafone-board said, the user-agent doesn't matter. And he seemed to be very sure about that. But unfortunately he didn't tell anything else. If you think of Dolphin for Android, which allows you to change the browser-identification, it really looks like this is nothing the carrier could make use of.
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I dont know how it works but "I would imagine the request headers are what the provider is reading in order to determine the device/browser that is making the request."
http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-3757.html
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I don't believe this to be accurate as phones are capable of changing their user agent to mimic a desktop browser, so it wouldn't be a reliable way of identifying a tethered connection.
IMO, there is no 100% fool proof way as it sits. The carrier can look at the traffic patterns though and might be able to figure it out though. Remember when you're connected to your carrier everything you do is going through their gateway, so they can see everything you're doing.
I agree that if you're wanting to make 100% sure they don't know, a VPN tunneling traffic would work. Once the traffic is encrypted, they have no way to tell what is happening, aside from the actual amount of data being transferred, which is why a lot of carriers in the USA or switching away from unlimited data plans and offering only limited ones (i.e. a 2gb or 5gb limit on plans).
It was discussed here a couple of months ago, I remember..
The discussion ended in - if the phone specifically didn't send the carrier any sign that it's tethering, detection of tethering would require heuristic scan patterns on the data that's being transferred - and would violate some "internet openness" rules in the process, and possibly allow a legal case against the carrier.
So, do you by any chance have custom ROM and your friends have official carrier ROMs? That might explain the difference.
People in spain have reported being charged more by vodafone (they charge you more if you tether and your plan doesnt cover it) by simply using an app on the phone that changed the browser's user agent to mimic a desktop one.
I dont know whether it is or it isnt legal to read the 'headers' of HTTP messages. It's more to do with the protocol than with the content, and both ends need to be able to read these things to actually work, some routers may even scoop just to adjust to different QoS patterns or whatever. So it might be legal after all.
Port activity can tell you're tethering or not; moreover, tethering does likely bypass proxy server which is used for phone only.
Ok, to find out more I've made a little research about how to generally detect Network Address Translation and I've made some tests.
As it seems, the Browser-Identification won't work. Maybe in spain there are some data-plans which only allow browsing with the special phone's browser and only using HTTP-Connections. But that's not suitable for a real data plan, which allows you, to send every data you like from your phone. On the other hand, at least in Germany, I think they wouldn't be allowed to read the data content of TCP-packets.
Then I've used a packet sniffer to find out, how different devices (N1, iPad and Kubuntu10.04) handle things like outgoing ports and packet IDs.
Both won't be very likely to use by the carrier, because Android doesn't increment them, but uses it by shuffle. The iPad also shuffles the packet IDs, but increments the ports. I think this will not matter, because the NAT will redirect the ports anyway. Only Kubuntu increments packet IDs and as they normally aren't changed by NAT, carriers could detect that. In general, all of the devices used outgoing ports between 35,000 and 55,000.
Possibly they could look at the time to live of the packets. The interesting question is, how the N1's NAT handels the TTL. Normally, a router decrements the TTL by 1. But it doesn't have to.
All of my tested devices use a TTL of 64 for outgoing packets (no one will wonder about that, because all those system are based on UNIX or Linux). So, if the NAT decrements the TTL, the carrier could detect tethered packets quite easily. Normal packets would reach the carrier's gateway with TTL 64, tethered packets with TTL 63. Maybe, the NAT doesn't decrement the TTL. Then the carrier wouldn't be able to detect it this way, except of this: As I read, Windows-Systems use a TTL of 128, so the carrier ould detect this immediately, no matter if it's decremented or not. This would explain why some people tell they could tether other phones without being billed, but getting charged when tethering their PC. This could only be covered, if the NAT would rewrite the TTL with 64. It don't think it does.
Maybe someone, who has a rooted phone (mine is not rooted, it's a normal FRF91), could install packet sniffer from the market and then catch some packets while tethering. Then we could have a look at the packet's headers and maybe find out, what the NAT does with the TTL.
FYI this isn't technically a problem in the US - it's illegal for carriers to monitor the actual data streams without a warrant.
My understanding is that tethering (WiFi/USB) can be accomplished in two different fashions.
1) The phone (in this case the Nexus One) acts as the modem and router and re-requests whatever the tethered device requested. Thus, the mobile operator sees the Nexus One as using the DATA rather than the actual device requesting the DATA.
2) The phone simply passes the requests to mobile operator along with some identifying info about the requesting device. (the preferred method by the mobile operators)
I have no idea which method the Nexus One (FroYo) employs, but I have a suspicion that it is method 1.
Dan
i Will say it does work as a wifi hotspot, so i connected using my ipad up to the ssid the nexus made, and connected fine, but un sure if charges will appear, i will keep a eye out on my next bill.. but they dont detect then that saves me $25/mon for the 3g data, if i can just use my phone $30 unlimited..
I was wondering about this as well. I have the current $25/mo 2gb plan and I sometimes need to use my laptop to check things that I need a larger screen for (Mostly graphic design attachments like illustrator and photoshop files). Would AT&T detect my using the Nexus One as a hotspot, and if so, would they charge?
I think the whole tethering thing is kind of ridiculous on AT&T. You're paying an extra $20+ per month to use the data you're already paying for except on your computer. They've been dealing with Apple for far too long...
In UK 3 know I'm tethering...
On using my Laptop tethered I get a 3 splash screen on first opening up a browser (IE or Firefox). There don't seem to be any other issues (everything else then works fine & dandy) ... yet...
Can't be that long before some carrier decides to clamp down on tethering some more...
Lodger
theartfullodger said:
In UK 3 know I'm tethering...
On using my Laptop tethered I get a 3 splash screen on first opening up a browser (IE or Firefox). There don't seem to be any other issues (everything else then works fine & dandy) ... yet...
Can't be that long before some carrier decides to clamp down on tethering some more...
Lodger
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Nexus bought from their network? Rooted? What ROM?
The only viable (and probably legal) way for an operator to detech tethering is via looking data consumptions, other methods discussed over here although technically possible, would be administratively expensive even if legally allowed... I suggest if you are on an unlimited data plan and want to be heavy on tethering do it from the start not later on in order not to raise any flags on the operator side.
Cheers, sub
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
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I was wondering about this as well. I have the current $25/mo 2gb plan and I sometimes need to use my laptop to check things that I need a larger screen for (Mostly graphic design attachments like illustrator and photoshop files). Would AT&T detect my using the Nexus One as a hotspot, and if so, would they charge?
I think the whole tethering thing is kind of ridiculous on AT&T. You're paying an extra $20+ per month to use the data you're already paying for except on your computer. They've been dealing with Apple for far too long...
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I've been using my N1 on AT&T to tether a pretty good amount and had no complaints. I even stream netflix movies and haven't heard a word.
obviously our phones send and receive data over wifi. when tethering, the phone is still sending and receiving data over wifi, it's just connecting to another device. not to be rude but it is a pretty easy concept. it is an amazing thing though.
right now i am on a camping trip, and i of course brought my phone and laptop with me so i have been tethering a bit. i just happened to be in an area with fantastic signal strength and speedtest.net shows that i am getting up to 2.5Mbps down, and about 1Mbps or so up. it's working GREAT! it's still not cable or fios fast, but it's fast.
Tethering on Talkmobile
I've recently get an unlimited data Talkmobile contract (UK) and I'm thinking of tethering (it's against T&Cs). Has anyone else done this? If they don't detect it, it's a great deal at only £12 month (though the unlimited deal which I have got is no longer available).
I was thinking, the mentioned methods of detecting tethering, even if they are viable and legal, might not be enough for the operators to prove that I was tethering, and hence they couldn't legally do anything about it. I don't know if this is the case or not (but I think I'll choose to believe that).
If I can tether, it means I can buy the PS Vita WiFi only and have as much connectivity as the 3G version!
Sounds like a good project for this weekend. I'll do some packet sniffing and post if I find anything. TMO in US, though.
would the carrier (Three in the uk) be able to detect tethering if i connected my phone to a vpn. because then surely all data would look identical?
HTC Desire, cm7.1
I've been trying to access the Captivate in-bound over 3G. I set up the DynDNS and SwiftFTP and while setting up DynDNS received a warning that I was behind a proxy. Further reading tells me that if my data stream is proxified then I cannot directly access the phone via in-bound connections. My question is regarding APN settings. Can a new APN be created that doesn't use a proxy or is that something set in stone that allows the device to access the internet?
Thanks.
You are at the mercy of AT&T - they are handing out your IP address and routing your traffic.
My guess is that even a different APN won't help - with millions of smartphones their IP address space is limited. I wouldn't be surprised if they are not blocking all inbound SYN conncections. If nothing else they protect all the iPhone jailbreakers that installed SSH but didn't change their passwords.
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You are at the mercy of AT&T - they are handing out your IP address and routing your traffic.
My guess is that even a different APN won't help - with millions of smartphones their IP address space is limited. I wouldn't be surprised if they are not blocking all inbound SYN conncections. If nothing else they protect all the iPhone jailbreakers that installed SSH but didn't change their passwords.
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Well said. Damn AT&T.
I'm thinking I may grab a Vibrant and flash JG8.. Then, I get hspda, Eugenes Kernels, and CM when Wes gets it running on Vibrant.
I love the Captivate.. Im just a little less than stirred by the ROM development..
Thanks for the reply.
I've got a pay-as-you-go account while I try Verizon out in my area. Unfortunately when I turn on hotspot no actual data is passed to the connected devices. I can connect to the phone, but the device I connect with tells me there's no internet. I remember Verizon wanting me to upgrade to yet another level in order to have hotspot allowed.
I've looked around on here and can't find anything related to bypassing this bull****. Can someone point me in the correct direction?
Thank you!
pdanet! you'll need to install it on both the phone and the computer you are connecting to it. it doesn't work on things like roku or streaming devices.
I use it all day every day and have for a year now. blazing fast.
i'm sure there's other solutions, but this is the one that works perfect for me.
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pdanet! you'll need to install it on both the phone and the computer you are connecting to it. it doesn't work on things like roku or streaming devices.
I use it all day every day and have for a year now. blazing fast.
i'm sure there's other solutions, but this is the one that works perfect for me.
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I appreciate the advice, but I want to enable hotspot so I can share it with ANY device without the need for doing anything on the other device to connect (other than a password. But thank you though
armyturtle said:
I appreciate the advice, but I want to enable hotspot so I can share it with ANY device without the need for doing anything on the other device to connect (other than a password. But thank you though
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Used to be if you were rooted you could use a magisk module to do this.
You can use VPN Hotspot. But I think you need to use a real VPN service alongside it.
armyturtle said:
I appreciate the advice, but I want to enable hotspot so I can share it with ANY device without the need for doing anything on the other device to connect (other than a password. But thank you though
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Probably out of luck then. I know of no solution.
The only other option you have is to do the pdaNet+ on your computer, and then use your computer as an adhoc hotspot. You'll probably only be able to blast out about 50% of the speed that you draw on your phone going through two hops. But its likely the only solution you can use. And it'll only work on a PC, not a Mac.
Sorry bud.
Maybe I'm missing something here but if you're on a pre-paid plan to try out service, what does the hotspot functionality tell you? Hotspot will give you the same speeds as your existing device so long as you're not subject to any hotspot caps per the terms of service. I have 15 GB of full speed hotspot data on my plan and when I connect a device it is no different than the phone connection. Once I hit the limit then it is of course stupid slow ~600 kbps I believe. I only really use it when traveling to keep the toddlers entertained.
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Maybe I'm missing something here but if you're on a pre-paid plan to try out service, what does the hotspot functionality tell you? Hotspot will give you the same speeds as your existing device so long as you're not subject to any hotspot caps per the terms of service. I have 15 GB of full speed hotspot data on my plan and when I connect a device it is no different than the phone connection. Once I hit the limit then it is of course stupid slow ~600 kbps I believe. I only really use it when traveling to keep the toddlers entertained.
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You are missing it. I want to utilize my pay-as-you-go (not prepaid) plan, which has "unlimited" data, to give data to the other devices around me... my tablet, kids devices, etc. Been able to do this without limitation with my Google Fi pixel and account since they've offered Google Fi as a service. Simply click the hotspot icon to enable and everyone can connect to my phone like it's regular router, period. I don't want to give yet more money to Verizon to be able to do this. If I'm already paying for unlimited data once, it's none of their business how I utilize it; and screw their TOS.
Adb commands may work for you. I'll need them for sprint.
Adb set global tether_dun_req 0
Also try a custom OS or locked bootloader? I don't remember the exact command but if you google that you'll find it
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You are missing it. I want to utilize my pay-as-you-go (not prepaid) plan, which has "unlimited" data, to give data to the other devices around me... my tablet, kids devices, etc. Been able to do this without limitation with my Google Fi pixel and account since they've offered Google Fi as a service. Simply click the hotspot icon to enable and everyone can connect to my phone like it's regular router, period. I don't want to give yet more money to Verizon to be able to do this. If I'm already paying for unlimited data once, it's none of their business how I utilize it; and screw their TOS.
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I certainly agree with your sentiment that unlimited should be unlimited but as we all know by now that ship has sailed. You were aware of the limitations when you signed up for service. Lots of things are possible but restricted by an authority of some sort. That said, you may be able to do what you want but there will be hoops to jump through. It is foolish to expect a one click solution when you are explicitly attempting to bypass the known restrictions.
PDA Net is one such option.
Funneling the tethered traffic through a VPN is another as suggested above.
I'll make the assumption that you wish to do this while at your home and mobility is less of a concern. The below should effectively be able to turn a phone into a home internet connection.
You will need a USB-C dock with ethernet port, the VPN Hotspot app, and a router that will run OpenWRT
Configure OpenWRT to mangle all outgoing packets with a TTL of 65
Connect the WAN port of the router to the ethernet port of your dock
Use the VPN Hotspot app to tether with the ethernet connection
See if your devices can access the internet
This is based off what I know about how Verizon and many other mobile carriers detect tethered devices. The key is the TTL of outgoing ethernet packets. TTL is decremented at each router hop. From the phone packets always have a TTL of 64. When another device connects via the hotspot the packets will be seen by Verizon as having a TTL of 63. Thus they will deduce that it is a tethered device and limit the traffic. The usual disclaimers apply. I take no responsibility for the consequences of following or attempting to follow my instructions.
Can you believe its legal for a company separate from the manufacturers and even distributors of these device to place restrictions on hardware you own for the sake of profit? Its abusive and embarrassing. (Unless you leasing, then you making me sound stupid as hell)
Code:
adb shell
settings get global tether_dun_required
If you get null or 1 response:
adb shell
settings put global tether_dun_required 0.
try this my friend
l7777 said:
I certainly agree with your sentiment that unlimited should be unlimited but as we all know by now that ship has sailed. You were aware of the limitations when you signed up for service. Lots of things are possible but restricted by an authority of some sort. That said, you may be able to do what you want but there will be hoops to jump through. It is foolish to expect a one click solution when you are explicitly attempting to bypass the known restrictions.
PDA Net is one such option.
Funneling the tethered traffic through a VPN is another as suggested above.
I'll make the assumption that you wish to do this while at your home and mobility is less of a concern. The below should effectively be able to turn a phone into a home internet connection.
You will need a USB-C dock with ethernet port, the VPN Hotspot app, and a router that will run OpenWRT
Configure OpenWRT to mangle all outgoing packets with a TTL of 65
Connect the WAN port of the router to the ethernet port of your dock
Use the VPN Hotspot app to tether with the ethernet connection
See if your devices can access the internet
This is based off what I know about how Verizon and many other mobile carriers detect tethered devices. The key is the TTL of outgoing ethernet packets. TTL is decremented at each router hop. From the phone packets always have a TTL of 64. When another device connects via the hotspot the packets will be seen by Verizon as having a TTL of 63. Thus they will deduce that it is a tethered device and limit the traffic. The usual disclaimers apply. I take no responsibility for the consequences of following or attempting to follow my instructions.
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Yeah, again, I do appreciate your efforts to help. And no, I am not concerned about stationary setup... I do want to be able to be mobile. Also to clarify I never said I was expecting a "one-click" solution; that is another assumption you made. I'm familiar with linux and also have used the xposed modules in the past to bypass restrictions before on other mobile devices - such as apps detecting GPS spoofing. I used to use an exposed module and had some commands to enter to hide the GPS spoofing from the OS. Worked a treat actually.
I'm going to try Andrew2432's suggestion. Thank you again though - I do appreciate it.
armyturtle said:
Yeah, again, I do appreciate your efforts to help. And no, I am not concerned about stationary setup... I do want to be able to be mobile. Also to clarify I never said I was expecting a "one-click" solution; that is another assumption you made. I'm familiar with linux and also have used the xposed modules in the past to bypass restrictions before on other mobile devices - such as apps detecting GPS spoofing. I used to use an exposed module and had some commands to enter to hide the GPS spoofing from the OS. Worked a treat actually.
I'm going to try Andrew2432's suggestion. Thank you again though - I do appreciate it.
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You'll have to let us know if it works. I'm skeptical knowing how they identify tether traffic on my account. You can alter the TTL on the devices that connect to the hotspot but that has to be done on all the devices.
donlu30 said:
Used to be if you were rooted you could use a magisk module to do this.
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That's what I do on Sprint/T-Mobile, root + Magisk hotspot/tethering module.
Well mines caught and I've tried everything. Editing build props with magisk, dun required set to 0, even the tethering module. When I tried to install lineage my esim wouldn't download. Pretty upset about adhoc pdanet right now. Especially since it cuts out constantly and it cuts out my 5g. Real mad.
andrew2432 said:
Well mines caught and I've tried everything. Editing build props with magisk, dun required set to 0, even the tethering module. When I tried to install lineage my esim wouldn't download. Pretty upset about adhoc pdanet right now. Especially since it cuts out constantly and it cuts out my 5g. Real mad.
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As I noted, I don't expect they are relying on your phone settings to detect/block tethering. There are ways of detecting the traffic on their end. Those things are what you'll need to mitigate.
I think with tmobile/sprint the culprit is an extra apn setting that is the hotspot connection. Get rid of that sucker, might have something. Gonna make me mad real quick
Anyway... none of that worked and in the end I gave up and just changed to the "Do More" plan. It's $70 but at least it let's me tether. Verizon wins... Thx guys.
armyturtle said:
Anyway... none of that worked and in the end I gave up and just changed to the "Do More" plan. It's $70 but at least it let's me tether. Verizon wins... Thx guys.
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I got mine working. I don't pay for actual internet because of unlimited data. What was the issue with yours? It wouldn't turn on or it wouldn't transmit data once turned on? We can fix won't turn on in seconds with magisk and then hidepropsconfigs module. Install it and use a terminal emulator to add the line "net.tethering.no provisioning=true" to your build prop and it will unlock it.
If its APN related we can fix that too. Just need to mount your system folder and delete all apns, then input your own specified APN with dun added to the type.
No f***** way are they gonna make me pay to use my device as designed