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At&t 3g Vs. T-mobile Edge In The Us.

I am currently a t-mobile customer and love their customer support and their service. I am thinking of switching to ATT for the 3G since it looks like T-Mobile may not have 3G available for the TYTN II in the US. Any thoughts? Advantages/Disadvantages of each carrier?

I also have a TyTN II, but am keeping it on T-Mobile. The reason is that I have a great family plan that cannot be beat. We have 5 phones. I pay the base rate plus $10 for each additional phone. I have the unlimited data plan at $20 and the other 4 phones are getting push mail with the T-Zones 5.99 plan. Someday, T-zones may not work anymore, but until then - this is a great deal. I also get unlimited text/mms for $10/month that covers all 5 phones. With 3 of the 5 phones in the hands of teens, that is an awesome deal. If AT&T could get me unlimited push email and web access, unlimited texting, free mobile to mobile, free nights and weekends and 1000 shared minutes over 5 phones for less than $100/month - I would jump ship.
To be honest, EDGE is not that bad and at the times where I find myself needing greater speeds (Sling Player, etc), I have access to WiFi (grocery store, gym, around the house, office, cafe, etc)

my edge is fast but i just wonder how much faster 3g is. Just found out that 3g for att isnt available in my area anyhow What is push email? I put my pop email settings in to get mail and it updates every 60 mins and if i have deleted mail from my outlook it will no longer show up on my phone. Can I setup push email this way since i am assuming push email is where it goes to your phone as you get it?

Lavachild said:
What is push email?
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From Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_e-mail):
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Push e-mail is used to describe e-mail systems that provide an "always-on" capability, in which new e-mail is instantly and actively transferred (pushed) as it arrives by the mail delivery agent (MDA) (commonly called mail server) to the mail user agent (MUA), also called the e-mail client. Most of today's clients are smartphones.
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Basically, instead of having your device poll every hour, you get email the moment it comes in. Also, if you get email less frequently than every hour, there is no reason to waste battery and poll when none is there. It is now considered the holy grail of always connected mobile devices and the reason why devices like the Blackberry have become so popular. Now that it is built into WM5 and above to work with Exchange, WM devices are quickly becoming a standard work tool in the office. I could not live without it.

so if i use a pop email from an isp then i cant use this feature correct? i would have to setup an exchange server?

the only reason i use the kaiser over my nokia e61 is because of its ability to stream music and tv with its high speed data capabilities. I tried the att's speed for 1 day and had to bite the bullet and sign up with them. i still have my tmobile plan because i get so many minutes with my plan. once my rollover minutes start to accumulate i can leave tmobile.

Data Plan questions...

So, AT&T kills you on a monthly data plan, unlimited for $40 a month are there any alternatives for getting a monthly data plan or do I specifically need to go through AT$T for that service?
Also, I use the "No Data" feature which is awesome by the way to essentially turn off the data to and from my phone, I use WIFI. Someone sent me a text message the other day that I did not receive I assume because I have the data turned off on my phone, as planned.
Is there a way to get around this, t receive messages when connected via WIFI or is that specific to the data plan associated with AT$T?
TW,

u do not need to turn off your connection when using wifi. when you have wifi turned on and properly connected, all data usage will be through wifi so no charges. your phone calls and txt will still come through normally. you can call/email att to confirm, i did. plus you can also check your usage online and it will show no charges for anytime you are using the internet through wifi.

all data usage will be through wifi so no charges
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I can get sms through my web connection? I thought SMS came directly from my provider?
Is there a way to use another provider for data service?
TW,

I use Unlimited MediaNet for only $19.95.
That would be the best choice if you want to have data wherever you go for less then the DataConnect plan.
Well if you're without an access point that is.
I've been using it for a while now, and I use quite a bit of bandwidth a month, (IMplus / Tethering pretty much all the time) and it works great.

Slayer6234 said:
I use Unlimited MediaNet for only $19.95.
That would be the best choice if you want to have data wherever you go for less then the DataConnect plan.
Well if you're without an access point that is.
I've been using it for a while now, and I use quite a bit of bandwidth a month, (IMplus / Tethering pretty much all the time) and it works great.
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I've heard this before, I pay $39.99 for MediaNet unlimilted...so how do you get it so cheaply? The tethering can be done with ease but getting caught could encurr the wrath of ATT $$$$$ !

I'm sorry about that.
I'm using MediaMax unlimited.
Its unlimited Data /w only 200 texts a month.
I shoulda mentioned that. =/

Slayer6234,
I know I have the option of downgrading to MediaMax Unlimited online (account access) but I've contacted AT&T and they told me this is not supported so I'm a little leary to change it and have it cost me in the end. How long have you been using this? If it works fine I'll just downgrade and see what happens.
Thanks.

I've been using it for about 2 years now since I got a flip phone with a browser.
I've talked to AT&T about it and they do "frown" upon not using a dataconnect plan with a PDA but I've been using it with the HTC for 3 months and nothing has happened, plus I would just say that I have a flip phone that I can only use medianet on, and that I switch my sim to that from time to time.

The tilt will automatically connect/work with MediaNet.
The PDAconnect / Dataconnect plans will still get you on edge/3g, its just a fancy, more costly way of getting you there.
MediaNet will do the same... and you dont need a tethering plan with the tilt because, well, you have a tilt.

Slayer6234,
Thanks for the info. I'll give it a whirl.

I think I might no longer be confused ... MediaMax is still a service offered through AT&T (https://www.wireless.att.com/media/cingular_video_purchase) at a reduced rate...
So, you can't get an external data plan from another vendor for your phone although @ $20 bones I think that falls in line with everyone else's plans.
TW,

For thos in Canada using a Kaiser on Rogers...

What type of plan do you have? And which options do I look for in order to maximize the capabilities of the Kaiser on Rogers' network?

I have the 3 yr vid calling plan (free for 3 years on contract) not sure if they have that now. Its weird to be saying this but overall, u should check out the rogers section at howardforums. Aside from that I am using a basic data plan that still works (10 megs for $5) but it can be tricky to get, especially now that rogers has Windows mobile data plans.
Good luck!

Thanks for the reply. A couple more questions. What is the difference between a data plan and the Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing Plan for $7 that is offered? This is my first time owning a phone that will be able to access the internet so I'm not sure what I need.
This is basically what I want to use in addition to the plan I have now (which is 250 anytime minutes, and the $11 Communicate value pack). I want to be able to use the GPS, 3G network, be able to read and send emails, browse the internet occasionally (youtube, etc.) and use Windows Live Messenger.

everything will basically need data except what u use for gps will determine if you need data or not

mikeveli20 said:
Thanks for the reply. A couple more questions. What is the difference between a data plan and the Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing Plan for $7 that is offered? This is my first time owning a phone that will be able to access the internet so I'm not sure what I need.
This is basically what I want to use in addition to the plan I have now (which is 250 anytime minutes, and the $11 Communicate value pack). I want to be able to use the GPS, 3G network, be able to read and send emails, browse the internet occasionally (youtube, etc.) and use Windows Live Messenger.
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Don't go with the unlimited mobile browsing plan as it's not applicable with non rogers devices =/ (the csr's might not tell you that either) you'll still incur data charges. (check howard forums to confirm)
Your best bet is to wait for the tiered data plan that's coming out in a few weeks.

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Don't go with the unlimited mobile browsing plan as it's not applicable with non rogers devices =/ (the csr's might not tell you that either) you'll still incur data charges. (check howard forums to confirm)
Your best bet is to wait for the tiered data plan that's coming out in a few weeks.
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I'll be carefull with that as well. I have the same plan but on Fido and for the past 2 months, i havent been charged any extra (although i accumulated about 32 mb avg for both months).
Im still watching my data consumption... so hopefully nothing will change in the future.

T-Mobile UK HSDPA Question.

Hello folks.
Twice recently I've looked at my Vario III and noticed it displaying the H for HSDPA at the top, rather than 3G.
Clicking on to open the connectivity bubble reveals that yes, I am indeed connected to "T-Mobile Internet (HSDPA)".
The only thing is, I'm on their Web 'n' walk data plan, not the Web 'n' walk plus which includes HSDPA.
On both occasions the H has reverted back to 3G after a few minutes.
Does anyone know if T-Mobile are tinkering with their service, perhaps planning to include the faster data to all users, not just the "plus" people?
Or was my phone itself just teasing me and displaying H when it was really regular old 3G?
Any answers welcome.

HSDPA
I too have the same phone on T-Mobile and also use the standard web 'n' walk and I often use HSDPA to connect... Have also connected to the internet with my laptop and get speeds up to around 1.6MB/s.
I think the idea with the web 'n' walk plus and HSDPA is that you are ALLOWED to use it as a computer internet connection and get those higher speeds but with the standard one you get those speeds but only on your mobile.
Phil

Cheers Phil.
I wonder why I've only been connected to it twice though.
Perhaps I've only noticed it twice!

*** UPDATE ***
I woke up this morning, my woman done left me......
ooops, sorry, force of habit.
I woke up this morning and I noticed that I was connected to HSDPA again.
This time the connection remained constant and I still have it now.
Perhaps I can expect it all the time now.

HSPDA is being built through as the new standard of mobile networks all over the world (where currently supported of course) orange UK have been doing this for the past couple of months, so yes I would imagine T-Mobile are upgrading the signal across the network

I'm on Flext with web n walk, i called T-mobile to have HSDPA enabled, generally its pretty stable, but it's not totally uncommon for it to drop back to 3G randomly. I'm not surprised, as im sure the coverage isn't yet 'finished'

i had to upgrade to get it in feb, never came up i upgraded and boom it was there, if everyone is getting it i may just downgrade n save myself £5

It certainly seems to be the case, meandu.
If there are no other advantages to the 'plus' service you should downgrade back to the regular.
No point paying an extra blue one for feck all.
Thanks to everyone that replied.

As far as I am aware, you don't have even have to have web 'n' walk to get the HSDPA speeds - so long as it is enabled then you can use (obviously you will pay more if not on w 'n' w!!). You certainly don't need 'plus' to get it. The reason it fluctuates is that it only shows the 'H' if firstly, you are in an HSDPA area and secondly, it is actually downloading something. The rest of the time it will just show 3G or G, depending on where you are.

I have been with T-Mobile Uk for about six months on their standard W+W package. Until two weeks ago I was only able to get 3G but since then I too have been on HSDPA. They must have changed their policy. If only they'd let windows live work...

The reason you are seeing "H" instead of "3G" is because T-Mobile are now defaulting 3G services onto HSDPA.
The change over happened in Plymouth about 2 weeks ago, I thought it was a blip because sometimes the icon got stuck but soon found out that HSDPA was being enforce.
This is all to do with T-Mob and 3 merging their 3G networks over the course of the year allowing most of us to be able to access the new 7.2Mb Turbo network and later next year the 14Mb Uber Turbo network
Oh and windows live does work for me on default web and walk lol

Thanks for the information.
Frustratingly for me windows live will not work via GPRS, 3G or HSDPA. Synchronisation just takes a while then fails. My understanding was that this was due to T-Mobile port blocking on W+W basic, am I misinformed? I am using Dutty’s 6.1 with version 10.6.34.800, wifi connects with no problem but it means I need to use PIE to access the web based one when out and about. I have encountered the same problems with other ROMs and Windows Live versions.
Is this anyone else’s experience?

I'm on WnW 'basic' and dont have that problem, im pretty sure they dont block it... although i do have random problems connecting to MSN sometimes.. but im sure thats just a signal/software issue.

We had this issue with our work mobiles when using Live and other chat progs, but only with t-mobile. They'll deny it point blank if you call the helpdesk, although that's probably more down to them not knowing anything about port blocking I would think. No issue with O2 or Orange and the chat progs work fine when cradled or via wireless. Incidentally, it's not permanent either, they'll occasionally work for a day or two. I wonder if some sort of usage monitoring is taking place

I am also on T-Mobile UK with a Vario III.
Joined them in Oct 07 on Flext 30 with Web N Walk. I've had HSDPA appearing when downloading since day one - when not downloading it goes to 3G or G if out of 3G coverage.
I am also able to use Windows Live with no problems. I have attached the version I use currently for anyone having an issue with theirs.
Cheers
Zippyioa

See below for T&C's for W&W
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Flext + web'n'walk plans
Subject to connection to Flext or U-Fix + web 'n' walk. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Subject to coverage. Compatible handset required. Roaming charges apply. Not applicable to connection via CSD. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a 1GB (of data both sent and received in the UK) per month fair use policy applies. If you exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 1GB per month for a third time , we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service to provide modem access for a computer or for peer to peer file sharing, internet phone calls or instant messaging. Roaming charges apply.
Flext + web'n'walk Plus plans
Subject to connection to Flext + web 'n' walk Plus. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 3GB (of data sent and received in the UK) per month applies. If you exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 3GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service for internet phone calls. Roaming charges apply.
Flext + web'n'walk Max plan
Subject to connection to selected Flext + web'n'walk Max price plans. Minimum term contract and credit check applies. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 10GB (of UK data both sent and received) per month applies. If you exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 10GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. Roaming charges apply.

Hi ray.andy
Thanks for the legal on this one
I have always known that the T&Cs state you can't use instant messenging on WNW standard. Strangely I and many other customers have always used Windows Live on the standard WNW tariff without issues.
Cheers
Zippyioa

zippyioa said:
Hi ray.andy
Thanks for the legal on this one
I have always known that the T&Cs state you can't use instant messenging on WNW standard. Strangely I and many other customers have always used Windows Live on the standard WNW tariff without issues.
Cheers
Zippyioa
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I would say that as long as you don't go over the usage limit as specified in each tariff then you can use it for anything that you want.
T-Mobile have no way to see what programs/applications are using Data. This is just purely to make customers pay more for the tariffs as they think they are getting a better deal.
I had W&W for £7.50 per month - I used it for internet through my laptop & skype for over a year without any letters/warnings from T-Mobile.
I still think that HSDPA from T-Mobile is fast and well worth the money compared to Orange.
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Ray.Andy: are you sure about that? I'm on T-Mo UK as well, and I remember putting win live on before and it said that the service is blocked. However, I still can use Skype!
I *think* they can monitor ports like on PCs, and stop traffic on certain well-known ports, which then in turn block services.
Personally, I only use IM over wifi with my Tytn II, so it's all far game!

Thanks zippyioa for cab.
Have installed and testing. Seems to perform initial sync with no problems, this was my experience with the other versions also, but then is very tempremental after that. Sync sometimes but not others. I wonder if there is some usage/time limits on this from t-mobile. Those of you with no problems what are your settings for windows live? (ie sync frequency or manual, how often do you sync, does it always succeed, do you sync through windows live or send/receive in messages)
Cheers

T Mobile policy on HSDPA

This question has already been asked previously, but it was so long ago that the response is out of date.
Does anyone know T Mobiles official policy on HSDPA browsing. Is it available to regular webnwalk customers? Do you need to upgrade to Webnwalk plus or max to browse at those speeds? Are speeds capped on regular webnwalk?
Does anyone have any idea? Because I would rather save myself the extra £5 every month.

You do not get access to HSDPA with regular WNW, you must upgrade to Plus or Max. The only way you may be able to browse at HSDPA speeds with regular WNW is if you were one of the first batch of customers to sign up when they released their' 'unlimited' services (as opposed to the old 40mb service), although a sweep removed this from the majority of accounts.

I was told by two seperate T Mobile Employees that I should get HSDPA on regular WNW and restriction of the standard service was only on content not speed.
However I was told by a third employee that I would need to stay on WebnWalk plus for HSDPA. Yet I cannot see these terms referenced on their website at all.
Think I have a case if I downgrade?

Mmm...
Well i started a new Contract with tmobile (already have an exisiting one, but impatient waiting for the Diamond!) and I used to have the Web and Walk plus added to my account.
However, ive noticed that I get HSDPA on my new phone using the standard web n walk £7.50 package.
This is also what I found out when looking at the tmobile website:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-phone/
Scroll to the bottom and then click on
Web n Walk Legal Stuff.
For the £7.50 a month Web n Walk Package
"Fair use policy applies: Subject to coverage. Compatible handset required. Roaming charges apply. Not applicable to connection via CSD. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a 1GB (of data both sent and received in the UK) per month fair use policy applies. If you exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 1GB per month for a third time , we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service to provide modem access for a computer or for peer to peer file sharing, internet phone calls or instant messaging. Roaming charges apply."
and for the Plus package
"If your pay monthly plan already includes web'nwalk, Mobile Broadband Plus will be £5.00 extra a month and if you don't, it will be £12.50 extra a month. Mobile Broadband Plus will stay on your account until you ask us to remove it. You'll need a compatible laptop, compatible phone and mobile broadband coverage. Remember that you can't use your plan to make internet phone calls. If you use your plan outside of the UK, we'll add roaming charges to your pay monthly account, please see t-mobile.co.uk//broadband for more details. This plan comes with a fair use policy of 3GB a month. We'll monitor how much you send and receive each calendar month so that we can protect our network for all our Mobile Broadband customers. If you use more than your fair use policy amount, we won't charge you any more, but we may restrict how you can use your plan, depending on how often you go over your amount and by how much."
and for the Max Package
"Mobile Broadband Max is £22.50 extra a month and is for use in the UK only. You'll need a compatible laptop, a compatible phone and mobile broadband coverage. If you use your plan outside of the UK, we'll add roaming charges to your pay monthly account. This plan comes with a fair use policy of 10GB a month. We'll monitor how much you send and receive each calendar month so that we can protect our network for all our Mobile Broadband customers. If you use more than your fair use policy amount, we won't charge you any more, but we may restrict how you can use your plan, depending on how often you go over your amount and by how much."
Now i dont see anywhere suggesting that the speed increases with the more you spend, but the Data Allowance and restrictions eg Using Instant Messaging and VOIP are added on with the more you pay.
Hope this is of some use

Unfortunately incosistent information is an issue with T-Mob. Gets on my nerves! I've been with T-Mob for 4 years now so not much experience with the other operaters so I don't know if you get the same issues there.
You are restricted on content with regular WNW, but also on the speed. This was the case a few months ago at least, with further restrictions on P2P e.t.c. being implimented I don't think they would have reversed this policy.
You won't really have a case if you downgrade unfortunately, you'll just be told to move back to Plus or Max.

Hmm.. I know someone else with a Diamond on T Mobile who has regular web n walk (he joined two weeks ago via expansys deal). He gets the big H and little H on his screen in the central London area. Does this not mean hes getting HSDPA?

Sounds like he is getting it. Strange, as I deifnately read that they were no longer including it. Plus I have a friend with an N95 on regular WNW, who doens't get it.
As mentioned I will double check!

Web and Walk definitely includes HSDPA browsing, I've sold the product ever since it was launched. Web and Walk plus just allows you to use your phone/pda as a modem and increases fair useage policy to 3gb. Web and walk max allows 10gb and allows VOIP which other plans do not. They rarely restrict your speed unless you really take the p*ss on your usage. One customer used 8gb on the standard web and walk package and they didn't even notify him, let alone reduce his speed ! They can however tell if you start to use your phone as a modem or use VOIP, they will then eventually ask you to change your package accordingly.
hope this helps
Mickey

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Web and Walk definitely includes HSDPA browsing, I've sold the product ever since it was launched. Web and Walk plus just allows you to use your phone/pda as a modem and increases fair useage policy to 3gb. Web and walk max allows 10gb and allows VOIP which other plans do not. They rarely restrict your speed unless you really take the p*ss on your usage. One customer used 8gb on the standard web and walk package and they didn't even notify him, let alone reduce his speed ! They can however tell if you start to use your phone as a modem or use VOIP, they will then eventually ask you to change your package accordingly.
hope this helps
Mickey
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Thanks.
Is there any documentation you could scan in or a link on the T Mobile website that confirms all this. I hate getting different answers from different employees whenever I call T..

I have always been told (by Tmob shop staff and tele customer services) that HSDPA is included on WNW and I have always had access to HSDPA on WNW without paying for WNW plus or Max.
I agree that T Mob can sometimes be a little inconsistent. But their customer service phone staff and shop staff have always been willing to help. That could be because I am on a reasonably hefty tariff and was one of the first to have an Ameo (ouch!) but I don't think so
PS I don't work for TMob!

In the terms and conditions of web and walk:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-phone/
There is nothing that differentiates on what speed you connect with, only how you connect. It actually costs t-mobile less to carry data across a HSDPA or UMTS network than across a GSM network (i.e GPRS), so they are happy to let you connect at any speed. The only reason that web and walk plus and max exist is so t-mobile can make extra cash from people connecting to their high speed networks with their laptops via their phone or PDA as a modem. Otherwise their mobile broadband products (dongles) at £15 per month just wouldn't sell. Max exists just to stop people using VOIP instead of normal calling plans for free and gives them a share of the revenue when people use VOIP to call abroad.
hope that makes sense
Mickey

oh and by the way, T-mobile are in the final stages of sharing their 3g and HSDPA networks with three (who have by far the largest HSDPA coverag in the UK) so t-mobile's HSDPA will get much better in the next couple of months.
Mickey

Yes HSDPA is standard with T-Mobile - and is HSUPA now as of a couple weeks ago if you have a compatible handset which the Diamond is. And it is whippet fast I can tell you!
On the £7.50 option you can actually still use your phone as a modem but if that was detected they have the right to ask you to stop or move up a level. I've occasionally used it as a modem after I moved down from the £12.50 tariff and never had any issues with them over it. If you stay within your usage of 1gb I hardly see as it makes any difference to them.