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Can Sprite Backup jeopardize ROM Updates?

Does anyone in here know if I can safeley reload my Sprite Back-Up after a ROM Upgrade without screwing-up details of the ROM-Upgrade ?
I mean: If I understand this right, after Booting parts of the ROM ar loaded into the RAM, which could be overwritten.
Or am I totally off here ?

After a rom upgrade, you should never restore a complete backup, regardless of the backup program you use. With sprite, it is easy to do a restore of individual databases (appointments, contacts, email, sms etc), as well as the document folder. The other option is to use the "device upgarde" functionality of Sprite Backup, but for that to work, you will need to make an image of the machine with the new rom I believe, and without anything installed. (but for that you need to check the manual).
You should never restore a full backup, since you will be restoring parts of the old ROM in the process.

I only use Sprite backup as a fall-back in case of a problem with a Rom update.
Even if you select the "allow upgrades" option, it can overwrite some of the data that you have just changed in the upgrade.
I have loaded all of my apps and data that I must retain on a memory card and I just reload them from it.
Hope this helps........Later
quote="jofeuerstein" ]Does anyone in here know if I can safeley reload my Sprite Back-Up after a ROM Upgrade without screwing-up details of the ROM-Upgrade ?
I mean: If I understand this right, after Booting parts of the ROM ar loaded into the RAM, which could be overwritten.
Or am I totally off here ?[/quote]

Here is how I see it: Any file that is not ROM-based will be pulled by Sprite Backup.
Even though a hard-reset will reload all the Extended ROM CAB files, they are still in the Storage/Program Memory and can still be replaced, deleted, etc. They are supplemental to the ROM files from the CE ROM core.
A good experience is when I upgraded to Build 3900 on my Extended ROM and restored a Sprite Backup file afterwards and noticed it went back to 3500. The BT*.* files in the Windows directory were backed up, and thus restored, overwriting the work done by the Extended ROM load.
The best thing to do is "move along" your backup file with your upgrades.
If you decide to recook your Extended ROM, upgrade CAB files or builds, then keep that upgrade CAB file handy to run again. I would highly recommend using a program such as OCP Software's WinCE CAB Manager to look into the CAB files you are replacing to see what files and registry entries get directly affected.
Bottom line method for me is 1. backup your PPC, 2. update the Extended ROM, 3. hard-reset, 4. restore the PPC, 5. reapply any new CABs from the Extended ROM, 5. rebackup the PPC.
By the way, the Upgrade works especially well when you have a new CE ROM that has new ROM files, such as Windows Media Player 10 (if and when it comes out). According to the instructions on Sprite's site, you run the Upgrade utility on the clean (hard-reset) image with the OLD ROM, perform the upgrade, then restore your backup WITH the Upgrade Data.

Thank you. Sounds very logical. A complicated process, but it beats reconfiguring the MDA after an Update by several hours ...
Good that all the people who envy us for our "MDAIII" don't know how much time we waste getting these machines to work ....

hdbueller said:
I have loaded all of my apps and data that I must retain on a memory card and I just reload them from it.
Hope this helps......
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you mean copy the "program files" folder to SD-card and the load it back ? or how :?:

You can copy all the CAB files from the C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync folder onto the SD card for safekeeping, or look for a program called CabBackup, which has been proven useful in many a situation.

restoring activesync's backup after rom upgrade

Hello, I had everything backed up before starting the upgrade.
My idea was to restore everything like it was before the upgrade: messages, settings, programs etc.
After the upgrade, activesync won't restore the stg file since, it says, the device is not the same as the one the backup was made for.
Any suggestion on how to restore the back up? or to retrive the information from the stg file?
Thank you for your attention and help.
PB

The way I got round this was to remove the partnership in active sync (must be done when device is NOT connected) - be sure not to delete settings on PC when it asks. Give the old name back to your device plug it in and then restore through active sync.
Its wise to take a copy of the backup file too, just in case!
There maybe a better way of doing it, but this works fine for me

great...
great...I have deleted the settings on the pc.
I have tried with the guest account, but obviously nothing happens.
what now.
this thing sucks. Can't i just overwrite everything from the stg using stgviewer?
Anybody to share his expertise?

Do Hard reset
in my opinion follow the instrction of APRMIKE, after HArd rest. During hard rest U must do format storage "yes" and reg del "yes..and of course del. the partnership, keep the previous name same as before....";;;other wise it wil continue to give U headach... [/quote]

how do i get into the menu with the options
format storage "yes" and reg del "yes
after the hard reset?

Ok, solved half way.
It was the regional setting.
I didnt quite get what I wanted though, so I have re set everything from zero.
Is there a way to backup and choose what is that we want to restore?
thank you guys for your help!

Take a look at spb backup. An excellent backup utility that will allow scheduled backups and gives you the options to chose what to backup and restore if necessary. Also the software does not have to be installed to do a restore which saves a lot of messing about, just click the files and it does the rest
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/backup/?en

thank you, i will try it!

Saving Image of ROM

Hi All,
In the old days of the first generation XDA's we were able to save a copy of our device Rom configuration to an SD card. The data such as calendar entries etc. are saved separately and that's not a problem. But being able to basically save the device configuration is very useful if at some point we need to perform a hard reset.
Does anyone know how to do this with the TMO Wing?

not sure what exactly you mean by device configuration but maybe this is what your looking for:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299705
You are able to backup appointments, call logs, contacts, messages, speed dials, tasks, custom (pretty much any file you deem to be useful)
You are also able to create a backup schedule which in my case creates a back up for everyday of the week.
hope that helps...
EDIT: maybe you might find this more useful
http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=14288&associateid=17
You are able to make a backup of the entire rom to one file. But I think this will only work with the same ROM version as the backup. Let me know and i'll hook you up with a copy if you can't get your hands on one.
cheers

Sprite backup will make a self executing file that can restore your settings and data.
It works pretty damn good, I use it on a regualr basis, it has some kind of rom upgrade mode, if you are restoring a backup from a previous version, but I have never messed with it ..
http://www.smartphone.net/software_detail.asp?id=2426

Weird worry with trusted certificates

Hi,
i needed to restore my device from a backup with Sprite version 6.2.2(upgrade full version not the light one coming with my stock rom) ,
when a strange event occured:
After the restore and the device's reboot all none pre-installed(thoses present in stock roms) softwares werent able to be launched,
i had a message " not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found"
and if i cliked on "yes", i had another message like "pocket informant failed to launched /Or editor unknown" and that with all the soft i had installed since my kaiser purchasing(voice command(from MS !)pocket mechanics , phm regedit, even sprite backup).
I tried the xdadevelopper kaiser tweak.exe and advanced schapps configuration tool(to tweak the "none trusted cabs installation security" but both refused to "run"(kaiser tweak) or be installed (schapp's) from my sdcard and so tried to run an install from my
pc of "phm regedit" but windows mobile center 6.1(under vista) gave me an error "unable to install/install failed" like if all my device was 'read only'
or if no "administrator privileges" were given to me on the device(from laptop or its sdcard).
ps:i wasnt able to merge(double tap) even a registry backup made on my sdcard before or install the SDK certs cab file .
So from my backup folder on my sdcard(where i had 3 different backups with 3 different dates), i tried to run the backup.exe(s), but i had the same worries(the exe wasnt able to be launched).
I decided to wipe out all datas via 'parameters/system/wipe' all datas"(kind of "soft" hardreset) (reboot+"device's first use configuration")and run the backup from the sdcard without any luck.
(the restore is done but at the device start i had many errors like "Pi calendar failed to launch", "voice command" etc
the only way to retrieve my device was to wipe out all datas
like just above and launch a restore from sprite backup on my laptop
(i had to reconnect/disconnect/reboot from usb my device +wmc 6.1 close/"re-launch", 2 or 3 times, in order to be able to restore it)
What i dont understand, last week i had to do a full restore from one of my backups (from sd card ) and it worked(no certificate worry and without prior wipe out) :
So when i wipe out all the kaiser and launch a restore from sdcard
why do i have a worry with "trusted certificates" as the backup is an image
of what was working(when created), it's as if some registry parts or "certificates"(dont know what kind of files, it is) were missing
why?
any idea replies will be welcome !
thanks in advance

Hi, I had the Problem today,too... when Sprite Backup fails oder something like that, then all no plugged-in certificates are away.
I don't know, where I could restore them - some people who had the same problem didn't found any help by restoring a former backup.
But there's a (little bit annoying) solution WITHOUT Hard-Reset :
1. At first you need a Registry Editor - and I think your Registry Editor won't work, too - because of the certificate.
So - Reinstall it
2. Then go to the Key HLKM\Security\PromptExclusionList and erase everything (except from DEFAULT). So that Registry-Directory is empty.
Now there are the thirst-party-Certificates are no more known from Windows Mobile
3. Now go to your Programs in Programms-Menue which didn't worked... you will be prompted everytime because of the certificate - and confirm it with yes... and you have the certificate for further times
When you have very much programs installed... then you will have very much to confirm... but after a Hard-Reset... I think that's much more mork, isn't it? Especially when you have a special theme (I love the black theme for 1.93)...
Hope it works fine, too. And I'll have a look for another Backup Tool, which makes Backups and doesn't destroy certificates
Greets from Germany
Pierre

Hey,
Just had this problem too, no one seems to have written the solution about this. I had to do a hard reset my certificates were also missing, also I was unable to remove installed programs via remove programs. Using HTC Touch HD with stock WM6.1 and upgraded Radio 1.12.25.16.
The back up was made by SunnySoft 3.7 and was a self executed one, which I did once the hard reset was completed. However, I found if I then reinstalled SunnySoft via Active Sync and then restored the backup again this solved the certificate problem but not the uninstall one.
I am now trying a new hard reset and then install SunnySoft before I restore anything, hopefully this will work.

No joy with the backup. The problem with the certificates was because SunnySoft program wasn't restoring the whole backup (I guess due to its size), works better when files restored bit by bit.
However, everything appears to be fine until I try to Remove installed software...Nothing I can do allows me to remove anything from the program list, just says it wasn't uninstalled properly do I want to remove it from the list (but doesn't). I can't even reinstall the software to fix it, just fails install.
Is there anyway to rebuild the program list or reinitalise the list to install over the top again and allow items to be uninstalled? Where are these settings located?
Failing that, I'll want to rebuild the system from scratch, but I need to know where the contacts and SMS messages are located in the system (so I can at least keep these).
Thanks for any assistance in advance. By the way, what is the best backup software which works for WM6.1???
Solution...
Moved on a bit with this (sorry if no one is interested in my self replies but this might help someone with the same issue)
The Remove Programs seems to end up in two different states:
1) Blank and new installs fail 2) Populated but programs can not be removed but new installs work (This state we can work with).
I think to get to state 2 the difference is installing Sunnysoft Backup after the Hardrest via active sync (I guess this helps it initialise the Remove Programs list).
Restore Data:
As mentioned before if the Restore doesn't work in one go (mine is about 50Mb compressed) then only restore the files (all except windows/internal store/registry/database), this gets a good chunk out of the data out of the way (the system resets after which is why we purposely miss out anything which effects what runs on the system). Now restore all the "folders" within windows (except appdb/AppMgr/Start Menu/Start Up/System and files within Windows), again this avoids anything new running without everything being ready when it restarts. Finally, restore the Database, Registry, Internal Storage and any remaining folders & files within windows. If you don't get certificate issues and the Remove Programs is populated it is ok to move on to the next bit.
Remove Programs:
This problem here is the SunnySoft backup defaults to not including tmp files. Unfortunately the registry references to tmp files stored in Windows\AppMgr\{appname}\ which are now no longer there (THANK YOU SO MUCH!!), this is what is stopping the program from being removed or reinstalled correctly.
1. Look up the name of the tmp file in the registry: HKLM\Security\AppInstall\{appname}\Uninstall\
2. Copy an old tmp file with the correct name i.e.1001.tmp in Windows\AppMgr\{appname}\. NOTE: Install a new program, copy it's tmp file. Then uninstall the new program again.
3. You can also note down the references to the other files if you don't have the original install (but this won't be the cleanest way).
4. You can now go ahead and remove the program from Remove Programs List.
5. Finally remove the files you noted or reinstall the program (and uninstall as you would before if required)
How stupid.

Looking for Full Backup (Making Image) Software

Hi,
I'm looking for full backup (making image, like a ghost for laptop PC) software.
I've ever used SPB, but it was not full image.
I'd like to make a image backup file onto storage card or my PC through USB, then once my TyTN has some critical issue, I'd like to do image back.
Do you have any recommendation software?
Your advices I appreciate!!

i haven't come across anything for ppc .. only software that allows backups. would be nice to create image backup though.

I think Sprite Clone does what you are asking for.

I use BackupManager that allows me to create .exe full backups.
Take a look here.
http://www.sunnysoft.com/software.php?idarticle=245
Price is $20 but it's worth the price.
Have to do a hard reset? Fine, just execute the backup file and everything is back!
I'm VERY happy with it.
By the way, it's very quick and my backup is stored on the memory card.

Sprite backup appears to backup the entire filesystem (PIM, windows, all folders and even SD) to an executable file. It runs before the device boots so i guess you could use it to "image" your phone. I have made a backup of my filesystem but i haven't tried to restore it yet. If it works, let me know, its the only thing stopping me flashing (apart from waiting for the drivers of course!!)
I dunno if its free, it came with my o2 stellar (kaiser)
http://www.spritesoftware.com/sprite-backup/
Actually, it looks like it might be free

My AT&T Tilt came with Sprite Backup, which seems to do a full image. I ran with the stock AT&T setup for the first 30 days I had the Tilt, but installed a lot of stuff on top of that. When I tried hard resetting it, I was able to restore everything right back to the way it had been at the time of last backup - data, apps, settings, registry tweaks, so forth (I was trying out Sprite to be sure of what it was actually doing).
I've also saved Sprite *.exe backups to my Vista desktop, via USB (home premium 32-bit SP1), and my G4, OS X 10.4.11 powerbook, for that matter (via bluetooth file transfer), put them back on my Tilt's storage card, and run them from there - no problems (I do not have my 4GB card encrypted).

Sprite works well. Ive done restores successfully and you can get Sprite Explorer which runs on your desktop and allows you to restore single files from your image which is great.

Thanks for your information!!
Now I'm trying to use Sprite Backup. Looks nice.
This is the one I was looking for.
Thanks (^_^)v

hmm but does it take a picture of the os stack as well? Im wondering because i want to experiment with ROMs when my current rom is working fine (i know i know - dont fix what aint broken!). I found spb clone which looks like it would do it so im gonna give it a shot.

spb clone is my 2c opinion.
never used others.
I've used it several time to clone my phone to a friend of mine phone's.
result = wonderful!

I use sprite backup aswell and its the best iv seen so far but it doesnt work across roms. So if you made a backup on a stock rom, you cant restore that backup onto a different rom.