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Should I buy an unlocked TYTN II now or wait for AT&T's 8925?

1) I heard some news a while back that three different Kaisers were submitted to the FCC; one was the full Kaiser as we know it, another had the front camera removed, and the third had something else removed as well (I think it was the rear camera). Does anyone know which of these three will be released as the 8925?
2) Does AT&T usually install bloatware with their ROMs? If so, could I flash an 8925 with a TYTN II ROM or would that run a risk of bricking the device?
3) if I decide to buy the 8925, it'll be without a contract. Still though, I'm wary. See, I'm currently using an unlocked HTC p3300 (Artemis), even though I'm still successfully using a "MEdia Max" smartphone data plan grandfathered back when I had a windows mobile smartphone, to get full internet access at a lower cost. I just slipped the simcard into the p3300 when I bought it and used the internet as I always did. I'd like to continue to operate 'under the radar' so to speak, but I'm afraid it won't go so smoothly this time if I buy a device straight from AT&T. Does anyone know if AT&T does some sort of owner / device lookup when you buy a new phone, to ensure you're using the "correct" service? In this case, they might force me to go with a PDA data plan, which costs twice as much - something I'd rather not do!
4) Will the kaiser's usage of HSDPA trigger a 'red flag' on this "Media Max" smartphone data plan I have and incur all sorts of extra charges? Or are there other smartphones out on the AT&T market already that feature HSDPA?

On 3), I posed a similar question a while ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324535
In that thread someone suggests the best option is to tell the AT&T rep when you buy the 8925 that you just want to keep your existing plan 'as is'. Hopefully that will work!

warwickwebb said:
On 3), I posed a similar question a while ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324535
In that thread someone suggests the best option is to tell the AT&T rep when you buy the 8925 that you just want to keep your existing plan 'as is'. Hopefully that will work!
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The easiest way if the ATT rep gives you a problem is to tell them you dont want any data plan, then go on the online account manager and add the MediaMax Plan yourself. And if the online manager does not list the MediaMax due to your phone being a PDA and not a phone (this happens sometimes but not usually) then borrow a friends phone (or in my case go to the closet and pick a random phone that is collecting dust) and transfer SIM and wait for ATT online to think you have a phone and then the feature for MediaMax will appear.

wpbear said:
The easiest way if the ATT rep gives you a problem is to tell them you dont want any data plan, then go on the online account manager and add the MediaMax Plan yourself. And if the online manager does not list the MediaMax due to your phone being a PDA and not a phone (this happens sometimes but not usually) then borrow a friends phone (or in my case go to the closet and pick a random phone that is collecting dust) and transfer SIM and wait for ATT online to think you have a phone and then the feature for MediaMax will appear.
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Interesting - so if you pop your SIM card into another phone, the system will automatically update to reflect this other phone? I always figured it just showed you the last phone you purchased....

I always just tell the AT&T rep that this is a gift for a girlfriend, and when you get home, just pop in your old sim... No harm no foul. Worked for me.

faustiano said:
I always just tell the AT&T rep that this is a gift for a girlfriend, and when you get home, just pop in your old sim... No harm no foul. Worked for me.
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hahah that's a good one!
although frankly i think hell will freeze over before any female will be caught lugging one of these big old HTC devices around..

demione said:
hahah that's a good one!
although frankly i think hell will freeze over before any female will be caught lugging one of these big old HTC devices around..
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We are waiting for the ladies to flame this guy. To add to it.....
I was on a plane and saw this business lady with her IBM laptop working on a spreadsheet and next to it was her 8525. She looked at a contact and then put it down on the tray table. The screen looked like she impaled it with her tweezers. It was such a stereo type moment to see such disrespect for such a high quality piece of electronics.

Are you wanting to buy it at the 2yr contract pricing? Or are you buying it at full retail(no commitment) pricing? If you want to buy it full retail, I would most definitely buy an unlocked phone elsewhere. If you're wanting the discount, you can buy the phone, sign the contract and then if you're made to switch your plan, take an old phone, call up CS and tell them you want to change your IMEI and also switch to the 19.99 Media Max plan. It's really that simple. As far as them flagging your account for HSDPA usage(I've never seen something like that in the 4 yrs I've worked for att/cingular), if you get ridiculous ie over 100mb's then you may need to worry, but to be perfectly honest with you, if you put your sim in a phone...they can tell what kind it is...doesn't matter if you call in to change the IMEI or not. If you need more details, feel free to PM me.

i didn't wait...i'm using my Tytn II w/Smartphone Connect data plan as I had been with my Trinity for the last year. this includes tethering with data usage averaging 600MB+ per month over the last 9 months. i purchased a 3125 from ATT last Sep/Oct and got the Smartphone data plan at that time... wifey has the phone now and i'm using the SIM with my Tytn II. it's my experience that tethering will connect using HSDPA by default and work down to UMTS and/or Edge if the faster services are not available... so far no issues with MaMa Bell (a.k.a., ATT)....

Euro N1 on ATT in USA

Hi,
I am currently residing in India, using the Euro frequency (i.e. T-mobile) N1. My N1 was bought from Europe.
I will soon be moving to USA for studying. The problem is, most people, including students, in and around my area use ATnT. So I will be forced to use ATnT, not T-Mobile. I do not intend to buy a new phone, I would really like to keep using this same phone in the US. I had a few questions regarding this:
1. Will my phone work? I am not interested in 3G on the phone, I will have wifi. But I heard that ATnT issues new sim card which work on 3G frequencies only. Is that true? Will I at least have EDGE on my phone?
2. My cousin there can get me into her family plan. However, ATnT says that if they detect a smartphoe, they will add data plan without asking, for ALL the people in the family plan. Now my phone is bought from Europe, so will ATnT be able to detect it as a smartphone? Would they forcibly activate data even if my phone frequencies are not compatible?
3. Supposing they can detect it, and hence I can't get into the family plan. What other option do I have? Should I go for ATnT prepaid? But prepaid is VERY costly, and I would like to try and avoid it.
4. I will not have any credit history, at least initially. How do I go about buying an ATnT connection then?
5. Will I be able to use Google Voice on the phone, if I don't have a data plan or continuous internet on the phone? Can other people having ATnT call Google Voice numbers for free, or is the airtime charged?
6. What would my WORST case scenario be? Get another phone under contract from ATnT and keep my N1 as a paperweight? (I would really like to avoid this)
That's a lot of questions, and diverging quite a bit from my topic. However, I would appreciate any help, since I will be going to a new country. If any of these questions are n00b type, I would request pointers to a place where I can research on it
Thanks.

rohandhruva said:
Hi,
I am currently residing in India, using the Euro frequency (i.e. T-mobile) N1. My N1 was bought from Europe.
I will soon be moving to USA for studying. The problem is, most people, including students, in and around my area use ATnT. So I will be forced to use ATnT, not T-Mobile. I do not intend to buy a new phone, I would really like to keep using this same phone in the US. I had a few questions regarding this:
1. Will my phone work? I am not interested in 3G on the phone, I will have wifi. But I heard that ATnT issues new sim card which work on 3G frequencies only. Is that true? Will I at least have EDGE on my phone?
2. My cousin there can get me into her family plan. However, ATnT says that if they detect a smartphoe, they will add data plan without asking, for ALL the people in the family plan. Now my phone is bought from Europe, so will ATnT be able to detect it as a smartphone? Would they forcibly activate data even if my phone frequencies are not compatible?
3. Supposing they can detect it, and hence I can't get into the family plan. What other option do I have? Should I go for ATnT prepaid? But prepaid is VERY costly, and I would like to try and avoid it.
4. I will not have any credit history, at least initially. How do I go about buying an ATnT connection then?
5. Will I be able to use Google Voice on the phone, if I don't have a data plan or continuous internet on the phone? Can other people having ATnT call Google Voice numbers for free, or is the airtime charged?
6. What would my WORST case scenario be? Get another phone under contract from ATnT and keep my N1 as a paperweight? (I would really like to avoid this)
That's a lot of questions, and diverging quite a bit from my topic. However, I would appreciate any help, since I will be going to a new country. If any of these questions are n00b type, I would request pointers to a place where I can research on it
Thanks.
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You will still be able to add the phone to the family line. When they add a line they ask for your imei and they will know that it is a smart phone then att will add data to just that phone line. Att will not force 3g I think they can't cover enough places with it so don't worry about that. I would look on Craig's list to are if anyone wants to trade.

miketlo said:
You will still be able to add the phone to the family line. When they add a line they ask for your imei and they will know that it is a smart phone then att will add data to just that phone line. Att will not force 3g I think they can't cover enough places with it so don't worry about that. I would look on Craig's list to are if anyone wants to trade.
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Thank you, miketlo. My cousin was told by ATnT that they will add data to all the 3 lines in the family. I will confirm again. But in any case my phone should work on EDGE right? Even if I have their new "orange" sim card?
Trading is a nice idea, I'll look into it after I get in the US. But I would like to avoid it, since it will cause me problems when I return to India (though most Indian providers work on both Tmo and ATT phones).

Answers below your questions
rohandhruva said:
Hi,
I am currently residing in India, using the Euro frequency (i.e. T-mobile) N1. My N1 was bought from Europe.
I will soon be moving to USA for studying. The problem is, most people, including students, in and around my area use ATnT. So I will be forced to use ATnT, not T-Mobile. I do not intend to buy a new phone, I would really like to keep using this same phone in the US. I had a few questions regarding this:
1. Will my phone work? I am not interested in 3G on the phone, I will have wifi. But I heard that ATnT issues new sim card which work on 3G frequencies only. Is that true? Will I at least have EDGE on my phone?
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Your phone will work just fine for phone calls and only EDGE speeds for cell data.
2. My cousin there can get me into her family plan. However, ATnT says that if they detect a smartphoe, they will add data plan without asking, for ALL the people in the family plan. Now my phone is bought from Europe, so will ATnT be able to detect it as a smartphone? Would they forcibly activate data even if my phone frequencies are not compatible?
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False. Data plan will be added to your line only. IMEI is sent to the provider and they can what type of phone it is. You can TRY to have them BLOCK all internet data from your line, but it's something they don't like to do (since they like having you PAY them).
3. Supposing they can detect it, and hence I can't get into the family plan. What other option do I have? Should I go for ATnT prepaid? But prepaid is VERY costly, and I would like to try and avoid it.
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Non issue, since they WILL NOT add data to the ENTIRE family plan, JUST your line.
4. I will not have any credit history, at least initially. How do I go about buying an ATnT connection then?
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If you're opening your OWN account, you'll have to put down a deposit, it will be SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS.
5. Will I be able to use Google Voice on the phone, if I don't have a data plan or continuous internet on the phone? Can other people having ATnT call Google Voice numbers for free, or is the airtime charged?
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If you want to get sms or voicemail (from the app), or MAKE calls AS your Google Voice number, you will need Data OR WIFI. You can get your voicemail by calling your GV number, and you can receive GV calls if someone calls your GV number, you can also make GV calls if you call your own number and go through the prompts (takes a while).
6. What would my WORST case scenario be? Get another phone under contract from ATnT and keep my N1 as a paperweight? (I would really like to avoid this)
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You open your own account, put down HUNDREDS of dollars in deposit, get a crappy free phone, put SIM in your N1, pay AT&T stupid price for Data Plan which will only get you EDGE.

nxt said:
If you want to get sms or voicemail (from the app), or MAKE calls AS your Google Voice number, you will need Data OR WIFI. You can get your voicemail by calling your GV number, and you can receive GV calls if someone calls your GV number, you can also make GV calls if you call your own number and go through the prompts (takes a while).
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i use that when i have no data or when i use someones phone with no app but its annoying when youre used to the convenience of using the data connection

Just so you know, if you were to trade for the ATT 3g version of the nexus, It will also work just fine in India, 3g and all.
Are you sure which version you currently have? Yes your nexus will work just fine on ATT using edge.

Or another Idea is to get away from that by stating that you need a sim card for now and that you will find a phone on your own. You don't have to tell them about your phone nor give your IMEI to them as well. Once you get your sim go online and add the 15 dollar unlimited non-smartphone data plan or if you are tagging on someone's family plan and they have an unlimited family msging plan then go add the 10 dollar non-smartphone data plan. I've been doing this for over 8 months and I am sure ill be caught some day...lolz
P.S if you provide your own equipment you do not need to sign a contract to get service, you'll just go month to month. Unfortunately, you'll still have to pay an activation fee.

Thanks a lot everyone, this certainly helps me
nxt said:
Answers below your questions
You open your own account, put down HUNDREDS of dollars in deposit, get a crappy free phone, put SIM in your N1, pay AT&T stupid price for Data Plan which will only get you EDGE.
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How about I ask my cousin to take a phone + SIM, use *that* phone as paperweight, and put the SIM in my N1? That way I won't have to pay down the deposit myself. Or as woot_woot suggested, get a SIM card only?
RogerPodacter said:
Just so you know, if you were to trade for the ATT 3g version of the nexus, It will also work just fine in India, 3g and all.
Are you sure which version you currently have? Yes your nexus will work just fine on ATT using edge.
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Well, I'll definitely try to trade once I get there, but anyway 3G will be too expensive, so I would like to try and avoid it altogether. How is EDGE usage charged? Is it subtracted from your voice minutes?
wOoT_WoOt said:
Or another Idea is to get away from that by stating that you need a sim card for now and that you will find a phone on your own. You don't have to tell them about your phone nor give your IMEI to them as well. Once you get your sim go online and add the 15 dollar unlimited non-smartphone data plan or if you are tagging on someone's family plan and they have an unlimited family msging plan then go add the 10 dollar non-smartphone data plan. I've been doing this for over 8 months and I am sure ill be caught some day...lolz
P.S if you provide your own equipment you do not need to sign a contract to get service, you'll just go month to month. Unfortunately, you'll still have to pay an activation fee.
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Is it possible for my cousin to get a SIM card only for me, or do I need to buy it myself? Won't they be able to detect my phone as a "smartphone" once I put my SIM card in? Is it possible to avoid adding any data plan altogether? Also your note under 'P.S' applies in case of family plan, or in case I decide to take an account myself?
I think my best option would be to go for something like FlexPay which T-mobile has. Is there something similar in ATnT?

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[Q] Dual Sim Card Adapter?

I been searching for a dual sim card adapter for the captivate, do any body have experience using it on the captivate?
Best regards

never heard of it i know most asian phones mostly the fake iphones have thme

labbu63 said:
never heard of it i know most asian phones mostly the fake iphones have thme
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bestofferbuy.com/Q-Power-1900mAh-External-Battery-Pack-with-Dual-Sim-Card-Adapter-for-iPhone-3G/3GS-p-51460.html?currency=USD&utm_source=gbase&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=gbase
Something like that, you mean? I think it's much too early to expect such a product on the market, especially for a phone that's had little to no demand for a product like this. However, I'd imagine that you could grab one of these (not necessarily for the iphone), and see if there's an app or something like that for another android phone, and see what you can work out.

Just google voice up.it give an additional working number to your phone as long as u live in the state
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Thank you to all you!, I just want to use my other sim card (with data) with my phone in the same place.
Best regards

I'm also looking for a dual sim adapter for Captivate.
Besides that, does anybody know if the Captivate can handle 2 simcards ?
Tks
Eduardo

Now that its been 6 months since these posts, has anyone tried and had luck with the dual sim in the captivate?
I used to run two ATT sim cards in my Treo and that worked fine for me.
I carry a ATT and a Tmobile phone now and want to give this a shot.
I have an unlocked Captivate running Darky 9.5 and have tried both my sim cards in it.
The Captivate works fine other than the issue with logging in to my google account, it seems to forget the password when switching sim cards? There isnt a lot of recent info about it on xda but apparently that is an android issue when switching between carriers for some reason?
And I havent tried data on the Tmobile sim, isnt there some changes I will need to make in my access points?
I know simone has a card they say will work but their prices seem excessive and most posts regarding them were *****ing about their customer service.
I plan on buying a magicsim or the likes from ebay to give it a shot.
Does anyone have any insight on this they can share?

FireRaider said:
Now that its been 6 months since these posts, has anyone tried and had luck with the dual sim in the captivate?
I used to run two ATT sim cards in my Treo and that worked fine for me.
I carry a ATT and a Tmobile phone now and want to give this a shot.
I have an unlocked Captivate running Darky 9.5 and have tried both my sim cards in it.
The Captivate works fine other than the issue with logging in to my google account, it seems to forget the password when switching sim cards? There isnt a lot of recent info about it on xda but apparently that is an android issue when switching between carriers for some reason?
And I havent tried data on the Tmobile sim, isnt there some changes I will need to make in my access points?
I know simone has a card they say will work but their prices seem excessive and most posts regarding them were *****ing about their customer service.
I plan on buying a magicsim or the likes from ebay to give it a shot.
Does anyone have any insight on this they can share?
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you will need to set up the different apns for the 2. It should work as long as you are not trying to run both sims at the same time.

just found one for 3.50 no shipping on ebay.CA
http://cgi.ebay.ca/NEWEST-dual-twin...322856?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item53e327d068

The guy in the latest review says this one worked in his Galaxy S
http://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/BrowseReviews.dx/sku.16948

zelendel said:
you will need to set up the different apns for the 2. It should work as long as you are not trying to run both sims at the same time.
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The APN seems to reset itself. I activated data on the T-Mobile sim today and when placed in the phone it works just fine. The only issue seems to be the Google log in password is lost for some reason. And my phone shows T-mobile as E (Edge?) only on the top bar. But I can surf and download just fine.
The kicker will be if it still works after inserted into the Dual Sim adapter.

FireRaider said:
The APN seems to reset itself. I activated data on the T-Mobile sim today and when placed in the phone it works just fine. The only issue seems to be the Google log in password is lost for some reason. And my phone shows T-mobile as E (Edge?) only on the top bar. But I can surf and download just fine.
The kicker will be if it still works after inserted into the Dual Sim adapter.
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Cool glad it works. Yeah it will only show E as it will not work on T-mobiles 3G network, the reason it is losing the password is that you are connecting to it by a diff network. Remember ATT locks certin things from the market.

zelendel said:
Cool glad it works. Yeah it will only show E as it will not work on T-mobiles 3G network, the reason it is losing the password is that you are connecting to it by a diff network. Remember ATT locks certin things from the market.
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What about flashing a new radio/modem to get the T-mobile 3G to work? Is that a possibility or is it more of a hardware issue?
I am running UGKC1 right now so obviously that one wont work but maybe on of the others?

FireRaider said:
What about flashing a new radio/modem to get the T-mobile 3G to work? Is that a possibility or is it more of a hardware issue?
I am running UGKC1 right now so obviously that one wont work but maybe on of the others?
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No it is a hardware thing. The antenna is not set up for the band they use. Alot of the reason some are upset if the att/T-Mobile merger goes through, att said they would need new phones lol

nice to know. i ordered one of the 3$ ones just for the heck of it. my extended battery cover has plenty of room in that area for almost any of the adapters out there.
ebay "dual sim adapter" make sure to get a full- size to full-size adapter or you will have to cut up your old one to fit. they also have mini to big and big to mini and mini to mini. I phone4s take mini sims
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i love the package notes!
avoid change crust!
avoid change mobile!
Wisdom sim card~ lol

So I am home from work now and dug out my old dual sim. Its a magicsim 20th-A and it doesn't work. I realize its 3 years old now but thought I would give it a shot. The package says 2008 just like one of those on the review link I posted earlier. So take that into consideration. I sent a bunch of PMs to people who had posted about this same subject on the I9000 forum so maybe one of them will reply to help us out.
edit: After looking at the one on extremedeals again, the picture is exactly the same as the one i already had. i am going to look around for a newer version. they are up to 28th now. although it seems the 26th version might also work?

learned something!!!
the adapter i bought is GSM. gsm only covers upto 2g
3g is now part of the WCDMA group.
oh well thats why i bought a 3$ one! to learn!

That is kinda funny. I have been looking for a 26th edition at least but I am not having much luck in the US. From my research i think the 26th edition will work. There are 2 28th editions on eBay but they are in Australia. And the shipping is almost as much as the adapter. +$25 Or so.
I also think an iphone4 version would have to work, but the trick would be fitting it and also the main slot is a micro similar size. I am still looking.
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I can't believe how difficult this is going to be. It looks like eBay, the source of all my goodies, has very little to offer as far as current edition dual sim adapters. I spent a bunch of time searching over the weekend and cant find a US supplier.
I may have to bite the bullet and order a $90 version from Simore. although I have procrastinated long enough that they now have a new adapter, the Infinite, v8. apparently that is better than silver, gold, and Platinum. LOL.
I have read lots of unhappy reviews about Simore but they seem to have a new technology with a more flexible adapter plate.
I just wish there was more information here on xda about happy users. I did a bunch of searching and sent some replies and PMs but got no replies.

more info
I found a bunch of good information on the German amazon.de website.
It appears most users are happy with the newer adapters. Some are using them on the I9000. My concern is if they have the same type of high speed networks over there as we have here. Its a bit hard to follow the Google translations but its worth the effort I think.
But apparently they are only selling them in Germany as I cant find a corresponding item on the US site.
So I am still searching.

Is T-Mo Note 4 best option for AT&T if you want root?

So the AT&T Note 4 is locked down pretty good. Is the T-Mobile version the best version to get to use on AT&T for somebody who wants root? It looks like it has all of the HSPA and LTE bands, so it should work perfectly. Are any of the international versions better options than the T-Mobile version?
Or is T-Mobile the best one for AT&T? Thanks.

Tmo note 4 works great on AT&T. I buy all my phones from Tmo to use on AT&T.

chrispyutec said:
Tmo note 4 works great on AT&T. I buy all my phones from Tmo to use on AT&T.
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How do you buy them? Can you just walk into a T-Mobile store and buy one even with no T-Mobile account?
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From another thread in q&a:
I bought the phone. It was a bit of a process but easy. You have to have a service plan for them to sell you one. So I signed up for the phone and the cheapest plan they would get me. Then went home and called Tmobile customer care and paid the balance of the phone off. Then went to cellunlocker and got an unlock code. Then for the next day or so I used it on AT&T to make sure it had no problems. Then I called up Tmobile and canceled my plan with them.
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I have both AT&T and t mobile note 4. If you want root, you already know what you have to do. The only issue I have ran into is my t mobile version shows up as a blackberry on AT&T network. Took multiple calls to get LTE working correctly. They had to switch my number to a tri band (there verbage not mine) to properly get LTE, even though it still shows up as a RIM device. The fastest LTE I've had in my area is 32mbs with a iPhone next to me getting 64mbs, but also that's not comparing apples to apples (pun intended). But the iPhone also had a stronger radio inside compared to samsung.

sandman7793 said:
I have both AT&T and t mobile note 4. If you want root, you already know what you have to do. The only issue I have ran into is my t mobile version shows up as a blackberry on AT&T network. Took multiple calls to get LTE working correctly. They had to switch my number to a tri band (there verbage not mine) to properly get LTE, even though it still shows up as a RIM device. The fastest LTE I've had in my area is 32mbs with a iPhone next to me getting 64mbs, but also that's not comparing apples to apples (pun intended). But the iPhone also had a stronger radio inside compared to samsung.
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Hey Sandman7793, if you dont mind, could you please explain how exactly you got AT&T to make the changes in order for you to get LTE working on your Tmobile Note 4? I mean did you have to speak to multiple reps on the same phone call? Reason I ask is becuase I had a Tmobile Note 3 and was only getting HSPA using AT&T and when I called they gave me a hard time saying that I couldnt get LTE becuase I was using an unlocked device. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!

lokofly said:
Hey Sandman7793, if you dont mind, could you please explain how exactly you got AT&T to make the changes in order for you to get LTE working on your Tmobile Note 4? I mean did you have to speak to multiple reps on the same phone call? Reason I ask is becuase I had a Tmobile Note 3 and was only getting HSPA using AT&T and when I called they gave me a hard time saying that I couldnt get LTE becuase I was using an unlocked device. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!
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Well the trick was I bought the AT&T version of the note 4 before I bought the t-mobile one. So when I called I had my sim card in the AT&T one when I called. Lol. I have my spare note 4 in the drawer just lying around. When I called they was like, do you have a blackberry, I said no, do people actually use those anymore. Since I have my note on the next program they was like OK no problem. Then they said, is your phone for AT&T network, I said it better be because I bought it from you. Then I rebooted the phone so they could hear the AT&T boot up sound. They had me put in a new APN setting, still no LTE (on the AT&T phone at that) so they escalated the case over to someone else and changed a bunch of settings on there end. Then said maybe they had LTE issues in my area, I said nope I have a iPhone sitting next to me with full LTE. By the time I hung up, the AT&T note 4 had zero LTE and the t-mobile had full LTE, which still till this day I have no clue how that worked out. It still shows a blackberry on my account, but here was my speed earlier so it don't matter to me what the show.
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Well the trick was I bought the AT&T version of the note 4 before I bought the t-mobile one. So when I called I had my sim card in the AT&T one when I called. Lol. I have my spare note 4 in the drawer just lying around. When I called they was like, do you have a blackberry, I said no, do people actually use those anymore. Since I have my note on the next program they was like OK no problem. Then they said, is your phone for AT&T network, I said it better be because I bought it from you. Then I rebooted the phone so they could hear the AT&T boot up sound. They had me put in a new APN setting, still no LTE (on the AT&T phone at that) so they escalated the case over to someone else and changed a bunch of settings on there end. Then said maybe they had LTE issues in my area, I said nope I have a iPhone sitting next to me with full LTE. By the time I hung up, the AT&T note 4 had zero LTE and the t-mobile had full LTE, which still till this day I have no clue how that worked out. It still shows a blackberry on my account, but here was my speed earlier so it don't matter to me what the show.
Did you have a chance to test speeds in your area with both phones connected to both carriers? I am going through a dilemma right now as to which carrier I should choose to go with.
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Actually no. TMO stays on the edge network where I live. It's not even worth the hassle to use there network, at lest for me. But for the sake of argument I will grab it out of drawer tonight and do the rest after I get off work.

sandman7793 said:
Actually no. TMO stays on the edge network where I live. It's not even worth the hassle to use there network, at lest for me. But for the sake of argument I will grab it out of drawer tonight and do the rest after I get off work.
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ok fair enough. I am seeing hits and misses with speedtests on both. Hard to decide right now.

i"m using the T-Mobile Note 4 on AT&T and getting great performance. NO issues with anything, yet lol. Love running custom roms.

yes it is, Mine is on Tmobile( white) unlocked and it is rooted and i'm using it on ATT(sim card from work) i get full speed LTE and one of samsung best yet. other variants are not that great

T-Mobile Note 4 still shows as Blackberry
TheUndertaker21 said:
yes it is, Mine is on Tmobile( white) unlocked and it is rooted and i'm using it on ATT(sim card from work) i get full speed LTE and one of samsung best yet. other variants are not that great
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I went to change my data plan today, finally giving up Unlimited because it was $50 cheaper to go Mobile Share route. In the process I noticed my new TM Note 4 showed up as a Blackberry 7100 and during the online plan change it wouldn't let me do it saying something about an incompatible phone. I reloaded the Sim back in my Note 2, called CS, had then change the plan and of course it now shows a "Smartphone" for my Note 2.
So, I suppose as soon as I change me SIM back to the Note 4 it'll send them the IMEI and change the phone designation back to Blackberry, thusly kicking me off LTE.
Can other enlighten me as what steps to take when/if that happens? Since it's a Note 2, not Note 4, I can't take the approach quite the same as the OP.
What to do? Anyone?

TheFletch said:
I went to change my data plan today, finally giving up Unlimited because it was $50 cheaper to go Mobile Share route. In the process I noticed my new TM Note 4 showed up as a Blackberry 7100 and during the online plan change it wouldn't let me do it saying something about an incompatible phone. I reloaded the Sim back in my Note 2, called CS, had then change the plan and of course it now shows a "Smartphone" for my Note 2.
So, I suppose as soon as I change me SIM back to the Note 4 it'll send them the IMEI and change the phone designation back to Blackberry, thusly kicking me off LTE.
Can other enlighten me as what steps to take when/if that happens? Since it's a Note 2, not Note 4, I can't take the approach quite the same as the OP.
What to do? Anyone?
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Mine shows as a blackberry also, but after they activated tri-band on my account for my line, all is good with full service.

AT&T used to have two places to store imei. One is dynamic and shows device that is currently on their network and the other is somewhere permanently in the database and is imei used to register account. Second (permanent) one determines whether you get LTE. It was like that year ago when I parted with post paid plans. May be they changed it since. So you must make them replace the permanent db imei to get LTE. Best way to do it is to call them with valid AT&T LTE capable device imei and tell them that it's what you use now.
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My AT&T account shows a flip phone for my TMO Note 4! LOL! Everything is fine and working though so I dont care.

I run my T-Mobile Note 4 on "Cricket Wireless" which uses AT&T towers w/ a reduced cost (based on your needs of course).. Data, ect...
Very pleased & things work 100%!
I even figured out how to 'edit' build.prop per the "Root & Recovery" thread to give me official "cricket" initial confirmation readout in status upon waking phone along with AT&T tower indicators as opposed to T-Mobile's!

I bet Hotspot will not work on ATT when you use T-mobile phone.
I bet Wifi calling will not work on ATT network too.

chong67 said:
I bet Hotspot will not work on ATT when you use T-mobile phone.
I bet Wifi calling will not work on ATT network too.
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Hotspot works great. Actually It works even better, becuase ATT can't track the usage on a Tmobile phone so even without root or doing anything special the wifi hotspot works right out of the box.
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Verizon N6 or spend more on GooglePlay N6

I have an upgrade available on my line(unlimited data VZW) and currently have the S4 and would like to go back to a nexus (previously had a Galaxy nexus and loved its openness) Im thinking about transferring the upgrade to my moms line(shared family data plan) and getting the N6 at $249 and then giving her my S4 so she has a better phone then what she has(cheap cheap smart phone). Are there any downside to the Verizon version of the N6? Its quite a bit cheaper then the Google play version so im really leaning towards that. After we buy the N6 on her line i would just switch the sim cards in our phone right? So she'd have the S4 and id have the N6.

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I have an upgrade available on my line(unlimited data VZW) and currently have the S4 and would like to go back to a nexus (previously had a Galaxy nexus and loved its openness) Im thinking about transferring the upgrade to my moms line(shared family data plan) and getting the N6 at $249 and then giving her my S4 so she has a better phone then what she has(cheap cheap smart phone). Are there any downside to the Verizon version of the N6? Its quite a bit cheaper then the Google play version so im really leaning towards that. After we buy the N6 on her line i would just switch the sim cards in our phone right? So she'd have the S4 and id have the N6.
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Verizon doesn't offer the 64gb version. Nor white so far.

I have the unlimited plan to and just FYI you're not going to get a free upgrade to a nexus or any other phone and be able to retain your unlimited plan. The only way to retain your unlimited is to pay for the phone outright whether it's from Verizon or Google it really doesn't matter.
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lol, by buying from verizon with a "discount", and extending your contract, you are actually paying more than buying it in full, and going with a non contract plan(not verizon for sure).

Well when some other provider can come out here and get me high speed access with 50-60 gigs a month without charging me more than $70 I'm on board.
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I thought you could still transfer upgrades??
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I have the unlimited plan to and just FYI you're not going to get a free upgrade to a nexus or any other phone and be able to retain your unlimited plan. The only way to retain your unlimited is to pay for the phone outright whether it's from Verizon or Google it really doesn't matter.
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Does verizon not allow you to transfer upgrades anymore? Im not doing any switching or anything but just giving another line on our plan the discount/upgrade my line is never going to use. then after the whole deal is done and the non unlimited plan has signed a new contract and has a new n6 on it i cant just switch our sim cards and give my mom(the non unlimited line) my s4 and take her new n6??
And ya ill never leave Verizon unless t mobile picks up their speed in my area. Verizon is the only carrier that actually works all over town and has 40mbs+ down almost anywhere if you have at least 3 bars

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Well when some other provider can come out here and get me high speed access with 50-60 gigs a month without charging me more than $70 I'm on board.
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thats exactly what i pay for unlimited data on tmobile, and no contract. that price and a discounted n6, thats a good deal. but i know that isnt the normal verizon price.

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thats exactly what i pay for unlimited data on tmobile, and no contract. that price and a discounted n6, thats a good deal. but i know that isnt the normal verizon price.
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Ya and after you pass 4gb your speed goes down to almost unusable. At least in my area its basically impossible to even look at Facebook over 2g

simms22 said:
thats exactly what i pay for unlimited data on tmobile, and no contract. that price and a discounted n6, thats a good deal. but i know that isnt the normal verizon price.
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Where I live you can't make a phone call with t-mobile FORGET about data.
lscheres said:
Does verizon not allow you to transfer upgrades anymore? Im not doing any switching or anything but just giving another line on our plan the discount/upgrade my line is never going to use. then after the whole deal is done and the non unlimited plan has signed a new contract and has a new n6 on it i cant just switch our sim cards and give my mom(the non unlimited line) my s4 and take her new n6??
And ya ill never leave Verizon unless t mobile picks up their speed in my area. Verizon is the only carrier that actually works all over town and has 40mbs+ down almost anywhere if you have at least 3 bars
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I'm not sure. A few of my friends had been swindled out of their unlimited plan by not paying attention to what they're signing I would be very interested to hear how it goes for you.
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lscheres said:
Ya and after you pass 4gb your speed goes down to almost unusable. At least in my area its basically impossible to even look at Facebook over 2g
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no such thing, lol. imagine much? im in nyc right now, and id say that in nyc tmobile has by far the fastest consistent data speeds in and around nyc. btw, nyc is tmobiles largest market, wtf would they cover it in 2G? i havent seen anything below hspa+ in nyc for the last 4 years. hspa+ is 3(.5)G, with data speeds over 42mbps.

Well tmobile still sucks here as it always has. On a good day I can get 2g
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simms22 said:
no such thing, lol. imagine much? im in nyc right now, and id say that in nyc tmobile has by far the fastest consistent data speeds in and around nyc. btw, nyc is tmobiles largest market, wtf would they cover it in 2G? i havent seen anything below hspa+ in nyc for the last 4 years. hspa+ is 3(.5)G, with data speeds over 42mbps.
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Your very lucky, i wish i could switch to tmobile, better phones, better prices, better customer service, better a lot of things lol. But here in the pacific north west specifically eastern Washington, tmobile sucks fat balls as soon as you step out of a city and sucks pretty bad if you're near any big buildings. Its like they used the very least possible towers to cover my city lol

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I have the unlimited plan to and just FYI you're not going to get a free upgrade to a nexus or any other phone and be able to retain your unlimited plan. The only way to retain your unlimited is to pay for the phone outright whether it's from Verizon or Google it really doesn't matter.
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That's absolutely false. I help people every day use their UDP line upgrades and keep UDP.
http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon
Be sure and read the wiki.
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lscheres said:
I have an upgrade available on my line(unlimited data VZW) and currently have the S4 and would like to go back to a nexus (previously had a Galaxy nexus and loved its openness) Im thinking about transferring the upgrade to my moms line(shared family data plan) and getting the N6 at $249 and then giving her my S4 so she has a better phone then what she has(cheap cheap smart phone).
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Is your UDP line in the same account as your mom's? Or is it in a subaccount?
This is the thread on using a UDP line's upgrade and keeping UDP. Be sure and read the wiki.
http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon

JulesJam said:
That's absolutely false. I help people every day use their UDP line upgrades and keep UDP.
http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon
Be sure and read the wiki.
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Is your UDP line in the same account as your mom's? Or is it in a subaccount?
This is the thread on using a UDP line's upgrade and keeping UDP. Be sure and read the wiki.
http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon
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No offense I have seen that site before and SCAM WARNINGS went off. It may be legitimate but seems sketchy.
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DebianDog said:
No offense I have seen that site before and SCAM WARNINGS went off. It may be legitimate but seems sketchy.
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Well since I am the one who is helping everyone on that site I can tell you it is not a scam at all. I have used the methods myself at least 7 times now, kept UDP every time and have helped hundreds of people do it successfully.
Be sure and read the wiki.