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I have been using dutty's rom with cube for the tilt and maybe I just don't get it by why is anyone putting it on their kaiser?
Don't get me wrong, I can see the point of it on the touch but why with the kaiser?
Yes, it is kinda cool to show it off to other people but it is such a waste to use. For example, slide finger over and over till you find the internet button and hit that OR just one quick hit for the internet button on the front of the phone.
Use the same cube moves to get to contacts or just one quick click on the front of the htc rom.
Using the cube is MUCH more time consuming then just using the phone as it was meant to be. Is everyone just so caught up with the "wow factor" of the touch cube or am I missing something?
Wow factor... It's rather retarded IMO
I agree with argo. At some point you still have to whip out the stylus to input information, doesn't matter if you used the cube to get you to contacts or if you used the hardware key to get to contacts. I've installed some of the finger friendly add-ons (not the cube) and it helps with simple taks, but if I'm opening an app, I usually still do it from the stylus. Old habits die hard...
yup, eye candy.
Mostly Eye Candy...
..but also for me, it's an attempt to have a fully functional device with one hand/one finger---without any need for the stylus.
With THE CUBE, FTOUCHFLO, Home Plugin, FFF, OtO, TekSoft FingerTouch and a few others, I don't remember the last time I actually had to whip out the stylus...
...oh WAIT! It was earlier today!!!
Oh well!!
TEC
I am using Touch-Commander simply to multiply the number of contacts I can speed-dial while driving without scrolling down an endless list. I also like the fact that I can SMS my faves as well as call them from their icon.
I was playing with the HTC Photo Album, but it is just not as efficient at finding the pics you want as is the Resco app.
Of all of the "touchy-feely" apps that have come along recently, FFF is, IMHO the one really fantastic one.
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Of all of the "touchy-feely" apps that have come along recently, FFF is, IMHO the one really fantastic one.
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I also agree that the Cube, and the obsession around it, is kinda overkill. Functionally, I don't see the sube as an advancement. Yes, the other parts of TouchFLO are valuable to me, and the recent creations to make the phone more finger-friendly otherwise like FFF are also useful to me. But the cube? I could do without.
I almost think the general obsession with the cube became more of a Mt Everest type of "we have to climb that mountain" quest more than anything else. Yes, its eye candy, but to be honest, its not even that great of eye candy. The iPhone "eye candy-wise" has it topped by far, and believe me, I'm not an Apple fanboy in any way shape or form. So, congrats to those who were able to scale the mountain. I envy your skill and your determination. Really, I do.
As for the recent programs that I like and think are functionally great, and to be honest minimize to very large degree the need for me to use my stylus are:
- FFF (easily the greatest, little, free, simple programs ever IMO)
- HTC Home
- S2U2 (much better at locking and yes its pretty also )
- PCM Keyboard (not the contacts prog, but the keyboard)
- Opera Mini 4
- Google Maps and Live Search
- PocketPlayer 3.5
Just my 2 cents. Honestly, since I installed these apps, I go days without even touching my stylus...Only when I do something non-routine, would I need to do so.
i think it would serve alot more purpose if we were able to customize it, maybe we can, but i know i have no idea how to. half the apps in it i never use. bout all i use it for is for the fav. people side. just a quick flick of the finger and i can free up some space on home screen
I seldom used the cube...on my old device, herald p4350
But I cooked roms, and ofcourse the cube was something ppl would say "wow" to, and then tell me how impressed they are..blahblah.
Some ppl drive stick, some automatic.....a matter of taste I guess.
Well, I think the cube is a cool invention, but the consept has a long road ahead before I will implement it again in my own rom.
But im sure HTC has a plan, and im sure they have many cool apps waiting, or in development that will make our devices more and more independent of the stylus.
HTC is spitting out cool devices faster then my granpa changed underwear....And im pretty sure all the new future features will be quite available for us all as they come.
I heard a rumor they are developing a touch type calendar, operated "similar" to htc album and some part the random access, but dont ask how that will operate, cant picture it exactly, but im sure its fun
Another rumor I heard is that htc are making a new innovative web browser, witch can operate over wifi/bluetooth against activesync/mobile center, zooming like htc album, flicking your finger left-right gestures to move forward and back..there was something about support for streaming many types of fileformats directly in the browser...
But...its just rumors I heard, I have not seen any proof of this anywhere...
Hoping someone has heard similar rumors????
And this is the one thing I like about the iPhone. Is I think it was sort of a wake up call for software developers to think of new programs and new ways to interact with existing functionality. So I thank them for spawning alot of disucssion and ideas about how to make a convergence device better and more practical/usable!
Now, if we can just get HTC to implement a screen as nice and sensitive as the one on that other thing...
I installed the cube successfully and gave it up twice. The main reason is that when I touch a small fav photo on the dialer of the HTC Home pluggin, the call goes out immediately to the ONE phone (mobile or home or whatever) of the person that I have assigned it to. With the cube, it just goes to the contact, and then I have to press the specific phone of the two or three assigned to the contact to make the call. Overall (one stroke to turn on the cube, another to get to the fav icons of the dialer, another to get to the right phone choice) it takes three keystrokes to make a call versus just one in the HTC Home plugin. Cube is nice, but not convenient.
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well I think everyone is correct it is eye candy it is mt everest and can be (or is now less effective) the cube is kinda a waste of memory ill agree. but the kaiser has only been out for 10-11 weeks that's it. the cube now is trying to catch up to what the elf is. with the elf the cube and the on screen keyboard is very effective. I've played with it. right now the elfs cube is a touch snapier (probaly because of the bugs still in there). but lets take that contacts situation from before htc home is 2 moves and 3 on the cube now. but what if u edited the registry so it dials mr jones mobile instead of mr jones subscreen (its been done already look in the elf thread). then u set the cube to always launch the contacts page (not done yet but the cube gods are discussing it). when the cubes final it will probaly behave better and quicker. so half a swipe up and the cubes launched and u land your finger on your contact. now your action took one quick fluent movement and it looks cool. not only that the original htc cube is three faces not too exciting but what if they make it a real cube with 6 sides. along with some original apps as previously discussed we might be very close to being without a stylus
In my opinion, the cube has some advantages. For example somtimes I wanna write my girlfiend an SMS, somtimes I want to call her, so for me the Contact Menu ist no disadvantage. Another example is, that the move with my thumb to open the cube is much more easier, than klick the smaller icons on the home screen. And the Cube opens on the Side it was closed. So in my case, I only need one thumb move to get to my contacts.
The Cube is 2008. No cube is oldsk00l
Now but I just like the design of it. I personaly only use the first screen and sometimes the contact screen. But IE, Comm, E-mail etc I never use cause i have keys that open those things.
Hmmmm....I do find it weird that there are people complaining about the cube on the Tytn II simply because last time I checked...it didn't ship with the cube
If you don't like, you don't have to go through the hassle of putting it on your device. Simple as that. Some people like it for the "wow" factor...good for them. Sometimes when you pay a lot of money for something, you may want to show of a bit (I know I do lol)
Personally, I use Dutty's rom with built in cube and I use the cube quite a lot for media such as my photo's (as it directs me to HTC Album which I like a lot), Video (which directs me to TCMP player) and my Music (Audio manager)
Anything that makes you feel good about owning something, even if it's purely aesthetic, can't be a bad thing.
Which is why I'll never get an i-Phone. I played with my mates one the other day and although its very seductive, its too limited fot me and I quickly got bored.
Personalisation is the key!
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I agree, I still don't have a Tytn II, I have a HTC Touch, I never use the cube, I only show it to people.
its all 4 show..
cube off = the way to roll.
Yeah, I stay away from roms with the cube
I like the cube!!
Is interesting to see the comments, because I actually like the cube for a few reasons...
But before that a little side comment. The cube (at the moment) is still probably aesthetics over functionality but you have to wonder if this is such a bad thing...look at the iphone - the ultimate example of style over true substance. It had my wife's total attention for 20 minutes in the O2 shop the other day - something my PPC had never done. Now that might be a comment on my wife but the sales figures would suggest otherwise
I'm using slither's cube and what it has done for me is allowed me to clean up my today screen of all those icons I used just enough to want to have close but not every 5 minutes.
The end result is my whole device runs faster for a few thumbswipes worth of effort.
As the cube develops it will get better and functionality and aesthetics will improve because you can bet the iphone wont stand still and we musn't either because I CANT STAND APPLE and the tripe they pour out.
Rant over. I'll get my coat now
Ok, so I have been around here a couple months silently eating up all the great info posted on this site. I have flashed my fair share of custom ROMs and have found one that I am comfortable with. So now I need to load up my TP with the best "goodies" I can find. Sure I can email, text, surf, dial...but I need MORE! Looking for cool apps that will help me get my moneys worth out of the device (and amaze my jealous friends). A couple fun ones that I have found include security apps, torch , sms bombers, shazam etc.. Any suggestions, .cabs and/or links for cool/fun apps would be greatly appreciated. Paid or freeware.
Sorry if this has been posted and I am sure there are individual threads for these apps but my patience is limited to 20 pages of forum digging and custom search phrases. I did find many "must have apps" threads but all seem to be for the android.
This would be good for me since I am a new Raphael user too.
Specifically if there is an alternative email client app that uses a different UI than the standard Outlook, meaning not ProfiMail or FlexMail
you can't go wrong with hdWobble, serach it
Warcraft 2 will make you the centre of attention.
Seriously look for it. It looks great and unlike many of the other 'impressive' ports, it is really fun and playable! I find fps games are a pain to conrol on this type of device.
Diamond hologram is really cool to. It uses the accelerometer to do a 3d effect on the screen.
Search these things up
The last couple of days I have been playing with PockeTwit. Cool little app. to play on Twitter.
Any emulator. especially the FPSECE playstation emulator, maybe mID, google maps?? WMwifirouter so they can use their ipod touchs to surf the web off your phone, youtube player,htorchflashlight...too many to name really.
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Warcraft 2 will make you the centre of attention.
Seriously look for it. It looks great and unlike many of the other 'impressive' ports, it is really fun and playable! I find fps games are a pain to conrol on this type of device.
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is it available for those of us who hadnt bought it?
Warcraft
lbhocky19 said:
is it available for those of us who hadnt bought it?
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Debatable:
Forum thread is here re Warcraft II: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=422606
SPB Mobile Shell
SPB Mobile Shell is so great!! you should show this to ur friends: especially the contacts carousel!!
anotherone is ShootME v2.5 thats one of my favs, i love when iphone owners show me the shotgun app they have then i whip out my uzi haha, and i actually had one of my friends freaked out with the hair clippers one. it really sounds and feels like you are getting a chunk of hair cut off haha
SPB Mobile Shell 3 and Kinoma Play are my two favorite apps.
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Any emulator. especially the FPSECE playstation emulator
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Ah yes, I forgot to mention emulators like this one and PicoDrive works well for me to emulate Genesis ROMs. I played several games all the way through, ppl go nuts over Sonic, etc. So many great games on the system.
Many emulators I find work well enough to show off, but when it comes to quality of play they are limited. For example, without mapping of keyboard, using an "on screen" controller paddle, you are unable to simultaneously hit 2 "buttons" at once, due to the limitations of the resistive touch screen (no multi-touch). So for Mario turning mid-jump, forget it. To have the keyboard slid open while playing these emulators typically results in terrible performance, only a few ppl with a select combination of settings and ROM and d3d drivers managed to make it run reasonably with keyboard open.
im sorry mate but whoever told you that resistive screens dont support multitouch lied to you in the face.
there is multitouch out ther it just is in proper use by every one , take a look at fuzemobility and search there . there is an article on it along with a playstation controler completely mapped out to use multitouches ,no lie ! . the idea behind it is when you touch two places the place the exact same distance from both of them is registered, so with good placement and good mapping its possible :]
Slide to unlock has to be the best app for this phone hands Down..
I cant stand the basic winmoble unlock feature this one gives you the iphone slide to unlock so far works great for me..
S2U2
http://www.ac-s2.com/
go to right side, it also has a link to the latest xda thread
Personally I like the netflix account one along with the getsportz. I have also played with WebTV and a few bartending apps. I would also like to mention RSSHub and BeejiveIM as nice apps... I dont use facebook but there are a lot of social netowkring apps to show off if you do use them.
As for showing off... I personally like TF3D2... with the people tab and the stock tab!!! Apple has nothing on us with those two tabs.
And if you liek games there a thread with a super and mega pack of games that you can get and it will install a ton fo games to play with.
SoBBie
Impressive doesnt always mean eye-candy....
Have them bring along their laptops and whip out WMWifiRouter.
People are always impressed when I whip out iGo with TTS enabled.
Skyfire with MS Silverlight 2 support is pretty friggin awesome considering it has (and is) taking linux programmers months to get going on their systems.
MS Voice command is another...tell your phone to play music by tracks and artists and have it read aloud text messages. Not availible on the iphone until just recently I believe.
Any capacitive programs (touchlockpro and how you can program a personal "touch" combination to unlock your phone also gscroll
Incallrecording...
Software that will text you with the SIM card information and exact (by GPS) location of your phone in the event it is stolen and another sim card is placed in it..
The list goes on and on...but the best thing I like is that it makes calls!! I say WOW everytime it rings!!!
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im sorry mate but whoever told you that resistive screens dont support multitouch lied to you in the face.
there is multitouch out ther it just is in proper use by every one , take a look at fuzemobility and search there . there is an article on it along with a playstation controler completely mapped out to use multitouches ,no lie ! . the idea behind it is when you touch two places the place the exact same distance from both of them is registered, so with good placement and good mapping its possible :]
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I've explained it before, but that's NOT multitouch.
Hello all,
I recently started a course here at Purdue University on Mobile Software development (Windows Mobile).
I need some ideas for programs I should write. Please reply to this thread or PM me if you'd like.
I have experience with C#, VB, C++, and C, among other languages.
Thanks
Jason Flittner
how about a dedicated xda forum app?
How about a sports ticker. I'm still surprised there isn't one yet.
BTW, I think I saw a xda app when I was poking around the other night.
I'm trying to think of ideas but my minds drawing a blank...
Here's the XDApp
Gonna expose my nerdiness here, but you asked...
How about an app that accesses the D&D Insider online compendium of rules and data? Not sure what would be involved, but I'm betting that there's no API available, so it'll probably never happen.
OTOH, it would be nice to see a really high quality dice-rolling app that takes full advantage of the g-sensor and the hardware accelerated graphics...something that looks like dice inside a tumbler, you know? Maybe start with a really slick Yahtzee-style game, and build up to polyhedral dice for us game-geeks?
I'd be happy to provide you with some guidelines for building. I'm sure we could find you a suitably good graphics guy, too, if you're not up to that part (I could do that, in a pinch).
I want my phone to do this:
But until then, I would like to see an ap like Skype, but for mobile that will easily switch you from cellular network to VOIP.
I have two ideas:
#1 - I don't know if this is even possible, but an application that turns on WIFI and/or Bluetooth in a receive only mode briefly every few seconds and listens for user selected devices in range and then performs user selected actions.
The idea is that the it would use less power than leaving WIFI and/or Bluetooth on all the time, but when I get in range of my wifi router at home, it turn WIFI fully on and sync my phone. Or when I'm in range of the WiFi at work, it could turn my ringer to vibrate. Or when I get into the car, it detect my Bluetooth stero, connects to it, and opens the music player.
#2 - Probably simpler than #1, a program that turns WiFi and/or Bluetooth on automatically when the phone is plugged into a charger and then performs specific user defined actions, similar to idea #1.
I don't know if programs like this already exist, but I haven't found them.
Dylan
I like these ideas, please keep them coming. I am not sure what the requirements will be as far as our programming projects are concerned but from what I understand I have alot of freedom in project choices!
I am in another robotics programming class working with the iRobot Creates and I was thinking it would be really sweet to program something that could allow the 2 to interact in some way/shape/form!
I am also very excited about GPS technology I wouldn't mind programming something that would utilize the GPS or triangulation!
Thanks for the contributions all, please keep them coming!
~JFlitt
With all that programing skill you could create some pretty neat apps.
Ive always liked the windows desktop interface.
How about a windows xp-like launcher?
Complete with movable desktop icons, windows, etc.
I am aware that wisbar advance desktop allows you to do this, but alot of those skins are a hassle, and they are not very complete. Plus they dont exactly take advantage of any 3d graphic drivers..
But anyways back to the point, with a windows xp desktop like interface it would be easier to use the phone.
I would not have to stretch my thumb all the way to the top left of the phone.
Oh and you could possibly utilize the touch pros capacitive touch panel for controlling the mouse.
You could also get google android working with more functionality. I am aware that there is work being done on it, but someone with so much programing knowledge could really speed up the project.(Im android crazy)
Or, if all that is too much to complete in limited time, then how about an application that will allow multi touch using the touch panel?
And also, resistive touch screens are supposedly multi touch capable.
I hope i gave you enough ideas.
Good luck.
madfatter said:
how about a dedicated xda forum app?
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ye s a facebook like app
But would love to see a app recreate the zoombar
on my tp
VOIP
Hi,
I have an idea and it is possible.
how about having an app on your phone to configure your SIP provider settings in it ( 5 different proxy ) and then when you want to dial a number, you can right click on it and chose " voip dial ".
Skype already gives you a the menu for skype calls when u right click on your contact .
if you can add a menu to TF3D settings->communication->VOIP and we can add 5 different proxy in it and we can activate more than one proxy at the same time in order to RECEIVE AND DIAL voip calls from our phone it would be awesome since microsoft is not allowing this kind of apps on marketplace .
Tnx
Thunder
a good "made for raphael" nes or snes emulator would be great since all the other ones out there are out dated and seem to work grat on old phones but are horribly laggy on the touch pro...wierd... the only good one ive found is a jap build of nester (nesterj4u) built for an hp phone or pda im not sure but the keyboard slides out to the right so landscape mode is upside down when i want to use the keyboard >_<
a good streaming media app thats a bit easyer to use than the one that comes with the phone would be great with some tv links on it like surfthechannel or tvdome would be great.
a youporn app to copliment the youtube app would be awsome
hmmm a good compass that simply points north (true or magnetic) with degrees would be awsome for when i drop mine on the roof trying to point my sat.
a simple freeware level would also be awsome since ive only found trialware levels so far
an hourglass would be a fun pointless app for when i get bored of pouring digital beer.
a goofy clip art picture editor could be fun just to mess with. maybe with some fish eye lens and carnival mirror opptions would be fun.
a free streaming radio app would be cool too....
sorry for the long list cant sleep ... figured the more ideas the better
ps. im not sure if any of these already exist havent checked lately so if anyone know if they do feal free to point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated
ok, I'm gonna try to have this make sense, but no guarantees. how about a simple titanium plugin framework? something that **doesn't** use mortscript? as mscript is good for certain things, it's not for others. this way there is an easier way for developers to make new plugins for it without having to use a slow scripting language. does that make any sense?
How about a talking GPS
I was out on my mountain bike today. I have a Garmin unit on the handle bars for navigation and listening to music from my Touch Pro in my pocket.
I was riding a fast downhill section through the some trees when I realized I was taking my eyes off the trail to make sure I was still on course.
I've used this http://www.basicgps.co.uk/ for Geocaching but it can only take you to one waypoint at a time. You can't use it to follow a route.
How about making an application which can steer you along a route using voice commands.
(Tomtom and others can only do this on roads, not off-road)
mixture of gps and accelerometer
well can u create an app the tells u ur speed while u are travelling like there is one app which does it in i phone it uses motion sensing and gps there are apis for both you can code it in c# with .net fw 3.5 and if u require help i am available i too know c# .
sound control
What about an app. that would control all of the sound feature such as the ear speaker,speaker phone speaker,and possibily microphone independitly,like bass,trebl,vol. That way a person could tailor the phone to sound the way they want it to sound when they are talking on it or whatever.
Just a thought.
Programing Ideas
A project that I have been toying with is a "Now" button for the calendar. Those of us in consulting need a simple and quick way to insert the current time in the Start Time and End Time field, which ever is selected. I've not been successful so far.
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How about that app the iPhone has where you can transfer contacts by putting the phones next to each other and shaking it to transfer or sliding it across to the other phone.
All for now will think of more
*edit* Forget this its kind of pointless when we can send contacts via sms/IR beam
How about the ability to use our Fuze's as remote controls like you could with PDA's, open your garage door, turn on your 360 or TV, forgot to turn your laptop off, send it a signal to shut down from anywhere
There're some cool applications on Android. One application changes the ringtone based on GPS location. It sets ringtone to loud at home, lower the volume in office and automatically sets the phone to vibration when you are in a theater.
Another application is about setting alarm based on location. You can set an alarm about buying some stuff in a store, next time when you pass by the store, alarm goes off.
And as I see nothing changed in this update, no clue what is in it, but every thing looks the same, same crap i mean. Back to HD2 till HTC comes out with a better interface.
Good luck to the rest.
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And as I see nothing changed in this update, no clue what is in it, but every thing looks the same, same crap i mean. Back to HD2 till HTC comes out with a better interface.
Good luck to the rest.
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Umm, HTC does not have any say in creating the WP7 interface. If you didn't like the interface, then why buy the phone? Plenty of us on this forum love the metro ui.
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And as I see nothing changed in this update, no clue what is in it, but every thing looks the same, same crap i mean. Back to HD2 till HTC comes out with a better interface.
Good luck to the rest.
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Cause you can only play and see what a phone has so much in the store, it takes time to really tell if you like a phone or not.
After using HTC sense on the HD2, I assumed that HTC would have a similar interface on this good hardware.
Dont get me wrong, the hard ware is nice, the typing is much better then HD2, but the OS by its self is terrible, just like HD2 original OS, but HTC sense on top of that interface makes it better.
But the OS by its self now, even compared to the HD2, is missing a lot of must have things, settings and features which every phone in today's market, hell any phone in the past ten years market should have.
I kept hearing about amazing updates, but each one is disappointing.
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Cause you can only play and see what a phone has so much in the store, it takes time to really tell if you like a phone or not.
After using HTC sense on the HD2, I assumed that HTC would have a similar interface on this good hardware.
Dont get me wrong, the hard ware is nice, the typing is much better then HD2, but the OS by its self is terrible, just like HD2 original OS, but HTC sense on top of that interface makes it better.
But the OS by its self now, even compared to the HD2, is missing a lot of must have things, settings and features which every phone in today's market, hell any phone in the past ten years market should have.
I kept hearing about amazing updates, but each one is disappointing.
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Maybe do some research? If you even bothered to google what WP7 is, you would realize that manufacturers have no say it the software and that it still a new OS.
Don't blame HTC or Microsoft, blame yourself for not taking 5 minutes to research anything about WP7.
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Maybe do some research? If you even bothered to google what WP7 is, you would realize that manufacturers have no say it the software and that it still a new OS.
Don't blame HTC or Microsoft, blame yourself for not taking 5 minutes to research anything about WP7.
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You guys crack me up, I did research it, but you really dont get a feel for an OS till you use it, you can watch all the videos you want, until you get it and use it and set it up for what you need and use, you dont get a feel for it.
The tiles I have no problem with, its what you cannot do with the tiles and other settings that bothers me, things not discussed by any one until the phone came out and used by many, I have been following this forum since the day the phone launched, and it slowly turned from "omg we love it " to "wtf is this? problem problem problem.
1. Tethering, yeah I know all the lovers will say "its the cell providers who are against it" wrong, if they were HD2 would not have the feature via third party app, LG has it in all of its new phones, Nokia has had it in every phone it has put out for the past 4 years. The cell providers would prefer you have it since it will increase your data usage, especially ones who dont offer unlimited data plans.
2. Select all - Enough said there, hell windows 3.1 had select all, 2010 OS does not? the predecessor did , why does this one not? Why do you need this feature one would ask? well for the rest of us who use the phone for what it can do and not just spend hours checking on our friends via facebook, when u use email heavily as I do and sms, select all is a beautiful and necessary feature. Again, its a feature that every phone out should have hands down, no questions.
3. Custom Profiles - why? again, old invention that is very very very handy. just make sense.
4. Program view - I thought something was off when i saw how it lists all the programs you have installed, until I disabled HTC sense on HD2 and saw that the original WM6.5 does the same idiotic crap.
I believe in the BC era man figured out that you can display data, much more efficiently when you use columns and rows. Then why the hell does a OS released in 2010 list all of it in one long ass list? Oh yeah thats right, its brand new, give it 5 years to develop, no, not a good answer, again a feature that every phone today should have.
5. Tile Colors - yes i know some one made a program that lets you change them, but do we really have to do all that to have a feature that lets us choose colors we want? hell look at the pre set colors we have, its what my 12 year old niece likes. I was using the phone with the default blue in a public place a girl saw the colors and looked at me like i swing the other way.
6. Now lets get into more advance things -
A. To make a call, you first have to go to home page then hit the
phone area of the tiles then type in a number, man if you in life and
death situation, your done. There should ways be a button to
access the one main feature ( make calls) from any were.
A.1 - Most of us hold the phone toward the bottom, but the
answer and hang up button is toward the top of the
screen? last I checked, over long thumbs are not invented
yet.
B. When viewing your contacts, no alphabet slider on the side, hell my
6 year old nokia had that feature, again predecessor HD2 (thanks to
HTC sense) had it, this one, first you have to scroll to nearest letter
then push it, then select another letter you want to jump to. Why
the extra steps?
C. Email - if face book and gmail is all you got, great, what about
business ppl who have several email addresses? In order for me to
track my 4 addresses, I have 4 tiles dedicated on my home screen.
combine that with contacts and phone, and my screen is full, I
have to scroll more on my home page to find the tile i need then
any were else on phone. ( HD 2, had displayed 14 things for you
on home page) this phone max 6 and you have to scroll. So say
I am looking at one email address and need to switch to anther,
on HD2 simple they were all available right there on the preview
page. On HD7, back to home page we go.
Is that what they call efficiency these days? they keep touting this phone to be easy to use, get what you need faster and move on in their nifty commercials.
I counted, it takes more pushes and steps to achieve what you need on HD7 then HD2.
So yes it has the amazing live tiles, but are they really? when I have emails my HD2 tells me that I have email on home page, SMS? same thing, missed call? same thing, reminder? same thing, so what is the advantage to the live tile?
besides their lack of color options and re size ability? Thats right, when your bff takes a dump and updates his facebook profile that he is amazed at the shape it came out in, you will be the first to know.
If some one would of wrote this kind of a review, clearly stating the pros and cons, I would of never touched this OS, but they didn't, you know why the didnt? cause Microsoft paid very well to make sure the reviews and info was positive, they got a xmas phone to sell. And that they did. (those of you who will say that is crap, Microsoft would not do that, trust me they do, im in a very similar industry)
But i know, you guys are going to flame me, call me a idiot, a hater, and that its a new OS bla bla, the Iphone was bad to when it first came out.
yeah that was 5 years ago, you dont start over, you take it up a notch, and that is not what Microsoft did. Why you guys think they are partnering up with Nokia? cause WM7 flopped.
Let the flaming begin
rysky007 said:
yeah that was 5 years ago, you dont start over, you take it up a notch, and that is not what Microsoft did. Why you guys think they are partnering up with Nokia? cause WM7 flopped.
Let the flaming begin
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Didnt care too much to read your long response, because as the other said, research would have stopped you from buying this phone. If you knew what the OS was about, you would have stuck with the HD2.
Anyway, isn't it Nokia who are flopping with Symbian and wanting WP7 to up their phone sales?
I agree to the most of the missing features in WP7 he wrote about.
The wm users are spoiled, they could give their smartphone an individual style and they could customize their apps and design. WP7 is boring in this way. But i flashed my HD2 back to wm 6.5.x, and after one day i felt, that i went back to yesterday. The control of WP7 is modern and in many ways more efficient.
After this desicion i bought a native WP7-Phone, the HD7, and hope for future ways to individualize it. At 1st the start screen... i hope for a chance, to make it more elegant and have a wallpaper background. Then i hope for smart dialing (native, not with a program) and for an email hub with all my accounts. Also i hope, i can create indidual hubs for system, internet, comm apps and so on, so that the start menu is not five miles long and more properly. I hope, to have a chance for a music player, which can open and play my folders...like mortplayer before, and a video player with mpeg and avi support. Also a way, to get advanced memory by using sd cards.
The best way for MS would be, to give back the features of wm 6.5 in a new and modern smartphone with more abilities. Because they made smartphones long, before Aplle and Google woke up. They used the experience of microsoft and give these phones a modern staff and electronic. Why didn´t use MS it´s own experiences and why must they go a seperate way with an unready OS?
So we have to wait, for MS, Chevron and many other creators. Maybe in two years we look much more lucky...or WP is at it´s end.
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You guys crack me up, I did research it, but you really dont get a feel for an OS till you use it, you can watch all the videos you want, until you get it and use it and set it up for what you need and use, you dont get a feel for it.
The tiles I have no problem with, its what you cannot do with the tiles and other settings that bothers me, things not discussed by any one until the phone came out and used by many, I have been following this forum since the day the phone launched, and it slowly turned from "omg we love it " to "wtf is this? problem problem problem.
1. Tethering, yeah I know all the lovers will say "its the cell providers who are against it" wrong, if they were HD2 would not have the feature via third party app, LG has it in all of its new phones, Nokia has had it in every phone it has put out for the past 4 years. The cell providers would prefer you have it since it will increase your data usage, especially ones who dont offer unlimited data plans.
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Tethering on the HD7 is indeed restricted by T-Mobile. Other WP7 handsets on other carriers can tether.
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2. Select all - Enough said there, hell windows 3.1 had select all, 2010 OS does not? the predecessor did , why does this one not? Why do you need this feature one would ask? well for the rest of us who use the phone for what it can do and not just spend hours checking on our friends via facebook, when u use email heavily as I do and sms, select all is a beautiful and necessary feature. Again, its a feature that every phone out should have hands down, no questions.
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While not a real ctrl+a or select all, the latest update allows you to select as much text as you want by tapping a word, and adjusting the slider. Effective for massive amounts of text? No, but how often do you need to select massive amounts of text on a phone? This method, in my opinion, works fine for a paragraph or two.
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3. Custom Profiles - why? again, old invention that is very very very handy. just make sense.
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Not to me it doesn't
rysky007 said:
4. Program view - I thought something was off when i saw how it lists all the programs you have installed, until I disabled HTC sense on HD2 and saw that the original WM6.5 does the same idiotic crap.
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Expect in WP7 the program screen flies in either direction, getting you to what you want fast. Mango will also add the ability to jump to a given letter, like contacts.
rysky007 said:
6. Now lets get into more advance things -
A. To make a call, you first have to go to home page then hit the
phone area of the tiles then type in a number, man if you in life and
death situation, your done. There should ways be a button to
access the one main feature ( make calls) from any were.
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Two taps versus one tap is that much of a deal-breaker to you?
rysky007 said:
A.1 - Most of us hold the phone toward the bottom, but the
answer and hang up button is toward the top of the
screen? last I checked, over long thumbs are not invented
yet.
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As a right-handed person, I hold the phone in my left hand. My thumb easily taps the end call button, and I did not star in Even Cowgirls Sing the Blues.
rysky007 said:
B. When viewing your contacts, no alphabet slider on the side, hell my
6 year old nokia had that feature, again predecessor HD2 (thanks to
HTC sense) had it, this one, first you have to scroll to nearest letter
then push it, then select another letter you want to jump to. Why
the extra steps?
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Go into contacts, tap the letter A. SIMPLE.
rysky007 said:
C. Email - if face book and gmail is all you got, great, what about
business ppl who have several email addresses? In order for me to
track my 4 addresses, I have 4 tiles dedicated on my home screen.
combine that with contacts and phone, and my screen is full, I
have to scroll more on my home page to find the tile i need then
any were else on phone. ( HD 2, had displayed 14 things for you
on home page) this phone max 6 and you have to scroll. So say
I am looking at one email address and need to switch to anther,
on HD2 simple they were all available right there on the preview
page. On HD7, back to home page we go.
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Because tapping the Home capacitive button and then a different tile is THAT big of a pain?
rysky007 said:
Is that what they call efficiency these days? they keep touting this phone to be easy to use, get what you need faster and move on in their nifty commercials.
I counted, it takes more pushes and steps to achieve what you need on HD7 then HD2.
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I can say with all honesty, that the 20 people I migrated from HD2's to HD7's couldn't be happier. Literally. My mobile support calls dropped to ZERO. No
rysky007 said:
when I have emails my HD2 tells me that I have email on home page, SMS? same thing, missed call? same thing, reminder? same thing, so what is the advantage to the live tile?
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It also tells you all of this on the lockscreen. Tap your power button, glance at the screen, turn it back off. Also, all these things you mention are on your home page, just like your HD2. Not sure what the issue here is.
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If some one would of wrote this kind of a review, clearly stating the pros and cons, I would of never touched this OS, but they didn't, you know why the didnt? cause Microsoft paid very well to make sure the reviews and info was positive, they got a xmas phone to sell. And that they did. (those of you who will say that is crap, Microsoft would not do that, trust me they do, im in a very similar industry)
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You should read Engadget.
If you don't like it, that's fine. However, just about everything you mention here is personal preference, not missing or lacking features.
And here are the changes the updates bring, for the curious...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/update-history.aspx
HTC sense slows down the device.... i never liked it i was using it on my TP2 and i gave it up as it craped up my TP2, used the energy titanium roms only...
i want to see what you will complain about afte MANGO is out....
some things will not be there on WP7 and the rest of them and more will follow with MANGO update...
Nokia will show there first WP7 device soon.
HTC sense will never be on WP7 devices...
Although I agree to lot of stuff being discussed here (good or bad) Mobiles now a days a more of a personal choice
I went and got the HD7 just to feel how WP7 was as I had never used a WM before having come from nokia symbian and android, I found it interestingly different.
for me the email is the best part of the OS and browsing is a joy on the HD7, but I am definitely looking forward to a NOKIA WP7 as I am sure two heads will be better than one
My main idea was to buy an HD2.. My father travelled (HTC almost dont exists in my country) and I asked him to buy me the HD2. He came with the Hd7 and I was really surprised (There were no more HD2, and it was just 30 dolars less than the 7). I liked it a lot,but in the moment I tried to download an app from the market or pass music via zune, I hated wp7!
Its not that the OS is bad, is just new. I think that the phone is good too, but I dont really like the softkeys, cuz they are really easy to touch and everyone who picks the phone, enters at least 3 times to Bing search. Almost I do sometimes..
I just dont know if my fathers decition was ok, but one day i think I should sell it and buy me the HD2, or even an DesireHD, but others days i love my phone.. IDK what to think right now.. What do you think?
I've had an HD2 for awhile and even though I never unlocked, jail broken, or used any ROM's to use different operating systems (android, winmo7, etc) I do find that HD7 is overall an improvement. Mostly too cause is has a lot of room to grow. HD2 was awesome but it had limits. No flash support and with adobe not working on any for winmo 6.5 (even though I was told it was by the retailer -.-), I had to get WP7 phone. The only downside I have found with the HD7 so far (well downsides that matter the most) are few and far.
1. No Micro SD slot... well not one that's easily accessible. I usually don't tamper with the phone, but I have seen and looked into tutorials on expanding to a 32g card and the hardest thing about it is... buying the SD Card. Those things are fricken' expensive!!
2. Limited customization. The interface doesn't let you customize it as much as its predecessor the "HD2". Like having your own wallpaper (other then the lock screen), but I find the interface it does have very appealing anyway. Simple, classy, easy to use, and very fluent in switching between the screens.
3. Settings. The settings are very limited. Not much you can change, but I do plan on seeing a lot of updates.
4. Loading Apps and Music. Even through Zune is a wonderful program, I hated being dependent on a third party program to load on my music, pics, apps, and what not. I detested iTunes!! I soon realized though, once you understand how it works, it is a lot more organizable.
Not all the bad stuff is out, this is what I love about the HD7 compared to HD2.
1. No more front keys. Hate keys. Just another crevice for junk to get into or part to get broken, or space for a liquid to leak into.
2. Windows Phone 7 OS. To be able to properly use this without having to ROM it is a big thing for people who can't afford to brick their phone. Though the HD2 has ways to implement other OS's, people like me rather just stick with whats installed for safety.
3. The kickstand. Duhh!! Got tired of using the space between the numbers and function keys to watch a movie. Plus is kinda works like protection for the camera too.
4. Dedicated Camera Key. The tap screen to take a picture made taking a picture a chore for me, because I would shake the picture right as i was taking it.
5. Improve App Store. Being able to install, download, and buy apps without having to be on the phone to do it saves me a lot of time. My land line will always be faster then my data line on my phone.
6. Up To Date Info. Last but not least is the start page. On one simple face you can see all your updates from Facebook, email, messages, apps updates, and probably more. The Facebook app for HD2 was a mess, and the email and messaging updates were boring and to simple. HD7 hyped it big time. I love it.
This is all my opinion, but it is new and expect a lot to happen. Especially once Adobe releases flash support.
eldonmixer said:
I've had an HD2 for awhile and even though I never unlocked, jail broken, or used any ROM's to use different operating systems (android, winmo7, etc) I do find that HD7 is overall an improvement. Mostly too cause is has a lot of room to grow. HD2 was awesome but it had limits. No flash support and with adobe not working on any for winmo 6.5 (even though I was told it was by the retailer -.-), I had to get WP7 phone. The only downside I have found with the HD7 so far (well downsides that matter the most) are few and far.
1. No Micro SD slot... well not one that's easily accessible. I usually don't tamper with the phone, but I have seen and looked into tutorials on expanding to a 32g card and the hardest thing about it is... buying the SD Card. Those things are fricken' expensive!!
2. Limited customization. The interface doesn't let you customize it as much as its predecessor the "HD2". Like having your own wallpaper (other then the lock screen), but I find the interface it does have very appealing anyway. Simple, classy, easy to use, and very fluent in switching between the screens.
3. Settings. The settings are very limited. Not much you can change, but I do plan on seeing a lot of updates.
4. Loading Apps and Music. Even through Zune is a wonderful program, I hated being dependent on a third party program to load on my music, pics, apps, and what not. I detested iTunes!! I soon realized though, once you understand how it works, it is a lot more organizable.
Not all the bad stuff is out, this is what I love about the HD7 compared to HD2.
1. No more front keys. Hate keys. Just another crevice for junk to get into or part to get broken, or space for a liquid to leak into.
2. Windows Phone 7 OS. To be able to properly use this without having to ROM it is a big thing for people who can't afford to brick their phone. Though the HD2 has ways to implement other OS's, people like me rather just stick with whats installed for safety.
3. The kickstand. Duhh!! Got tired of using the space between the numbers and function keys to watch a movie. Plus is kinda works like protection for the camera too.
4. Dedicated Camera Key. The tap screen to take a picture made taking a picture a chore for me, because I would shake the picture right as i was taking it.
5. Improve App Store. Being able to install, download, and buy apps without having to be on the phone to do it saves me a lot of time. My land line will always be faster then my data line on my phone.
6. Up To Date Info. Last but not least is the start page. On one simple face you can see all your updates from Facebook, email, messages, apps updates, and probably more. The Facebook app for HD2 was a mess, and the email and messaging updates were boring and to simple. HD7 hyped it big time. I love it.
This is all my opinion, but it is new and expect a lot to happen. Especially once Adobe releases flash support.
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well, in my opinion I do like the hardkeys on the HD2 (at least the appearence because I never had an HD2 in my hands), because is just too easy to confuse and press one softkey..
The camera button it's a good idea, but i would suggest an on-screen shutter, because no one knows how to take pictures or they just dont let a time on the first stop for focus...
I think in WinMo you are able to change a lot of settings, in WP7 we cant even calibrate the screen.. But well, today was a happy day.. And i should say I love the atention of having a phone that maybe we have only 10 in the country, not just for the Huge screen, also the solidity, camera and the sprakers/microphone at the sides of the screen..
The HD7 has its touch keys (back/Home/Search) little bit too close to the screen. It makes user too easy to touch those keys by mistake. I know because i do touch those keys a lot by mistake , mostly when playing Fruit Ninja.
the soft keys ( power button/ volume buttons/ camera button) lacks the "click"-feeling, make it kinda hare to press it everytime . HD7 also lacks in serving time with its limited-battery (1230mAh), HTC put the eye-candy above the build quality in their chart for HD7.
about the OS, i have no question about it because WP7 serve me well on daily processes and it is still in develop
Strike_Eagle said:
The HD7 has its touch keys (back/Home/Search) little bit too close to the screen. It makes user too easy to touch those keys by mistake. I know because i do touch those keys a lot by mistake , mostly when playing Fruit Ninja.
the soft keys ( power button/ volume buttons/ camera button) lacks the "click"-feeling, make it kinda hare to press it everytime . HD7 also lacks in serving time with its limited-battery (1230mAh), HTC put the eye-candy above the build quality in their chart for HD7.
about the OS, i have no question about it because WP7 serve me well on daily processes and it is still in develop
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The softkeys seems to be part of the screen.. I tried pinch to zoom at pictures touching the screen and (with the second finger) touching the softkeys.. Thats why the keys should be near the screen...