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opera 9.5 beta official ;) (version: 9.51b1)

Opera Mobile 9.5 Beta
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/download/
version: 9.51b1

brumle80 said:
Opera Mobile 9.5 Beta
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/download/
version: 9.51b1
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I have tried this version, I am not so happy with it. I find it rather slow and the zooming in zooming out feels tedious. I may be spoiled because I am also using an iPod Touch with the Safari Mobile browser but are there any previous builds of the Opera Mobile 9.5 browser that have faster performance than this?
I am working on a Samsung i780 so I have a lot of power behind the phone, I just don't find this version jaw-dropping.

Okay this looks great. Just tested it on the Diamond and it's fast, seems stable and fixes the "black whole problem" at least on the sites I had problems with.
One drawback: it doesn't seem to support the g-sensor out of the box. however we might be able to work around that with gsen... didn't try that though.
I guess this is a real candidate for some cooked ROMs...
Edit: This thing is REALLY fast. We might probably want to work on how to replace the original opera on a diamond with this version?
Cheers,
Alex

Will installing this overwrite the default Opera diamond browser?

You can install it on the internal storage - so your pre-installed opera should be left untouched. As for the default browser setting - I didn't check that. But you should be able to switch back if desired as well.

Okay from some testing I can report the following issues:
Does not use old Opera's bookmarks, so when overwriting old opera there's no way to sync bookmarks with Manila (some tiny application might be written to do the job however I guess)
Occasionly prevents device standby (even when manually pressing the standby button) - getting out of opera helps
At least in my setup it keeps starting itself when exited - that might however be a result of me playing around to replace original opera with new one
The most noticable bug from opera's official known-issues list is the non-working re-flow of text paragraphs. instead the paragraphs are _always_ sized to fit the zoomed-in screen
Auto-rotation is not implemented out of the box - I didn't test, yet if GSen would do the trick (for some of us disabled auto-rotation might actually be a plus ;-)
Some of these issues obviously have to be fixed for a final - but I assume they will do so until the final release.
On the bright side we have:
Definitely faster
Looks like it has lower memory consumption (not measured though) - this actually makes the auto-restart thing I experience acceptable for me - I simply keep it running in the background at the moment
The black-hole problem seems to be fixed
Once the issues have been worked out this will be a huge step forward in mobile browsing on the diamond - even compared to the current version of opera mobile!
If anyone else is testing this software I'd be happy to hear some feedback and maybe solutions found to the issues I mentioned.
Cheers,
Alex

Does it also support Flash based websites? (containing flash video's?)

i also tried to install it both on the device & internal storage, but it just won't start the new version... even when i start the program from the program list it will start the old version...
i guess the beta version wanted to prevent the resizing of the paragraph while zooming in some text pages, but i do like it coz the zooming in & out is now more precise...
anyone have any idea how to replace the old opera with this new beta...
also another problem encountered is the pop up of the input keyboard... it will automatically switch to the default windows style even if i set it to full qwerty keyboard...
i hope htc will implement it soon or opera could release the final version soon, this browser is the best so far~

Here is the Thread containing the latest Opera build, was released yesterday I think. Anyway, its miles better than this beta, go check it out!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401643

not impressed, seems much slower than what im currently using

find it in the file manager to launch it.
I find it has a keyboard issue... it keeps reverting back to small qwerty.
I uninstalled it and now my original opera takes longer to load up. (now those progress blocks have appeared?)

FH1 said:
find it in the file manager to launch it.
I find it has a keyboard issue... it keeps reverting back to small qwerty.
I uninstalled it and now my original opera takes longer to load up. (now those progress blocks have appeared?)
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i need to do the samething to launch it;
the keyboard issue is really annoying but the performance is better; i like the skin of it
i didn't have that problem... i tried installing it on internal mem & device & my diamond opera is still working

Jin187 said:
Here is the Thread containing the latest Opera build, was released yesterday I think. Anyway, its miles better than this beta, go check it out!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401643
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Have to agree, build 1938 is *way* better than this one, it's a lot faster and far more stable. At least on a Samsung i780 which is what I used to test it.
I also tried it on an iMate Jasjar but the build had problems working with the qwerty keyboard -- when you try to type it will take in one character then close the SIP, so you can no longer enter any letters. Horrible bug, did not have this problem with any other build I tried so far. But it works fine, only problem is I have to use the SIP, and the point of getting a Universal is to have the QWERTY!

Skyfire - The next big browser?

Hi,
Skyfire is a free, downloadable mobile web browser that allows you to experience the internet on your phone exactly like on your PC. Now, you can use the full web from your mobile phone with unprecedented speed and simplicity – without the typical restrictions and limitations that current ‘mobile web’ efforts offer. It’s “The Web”, not some mobile web. (Taken from their site)
The best feature in this? "Unlike other mobile browsers, Skyfire supports the desktop version of Adobe Flash applications so sites, including those that serve-up video and music, are rendered exactly as you would expect - just like your PC."
Now... Will Opera support flash or not, we can always install this on Xperia - or any windows mobile - to get flash support for sites...
NOTE: I just read in the main forum the following: "Please note that this board does not tolerate cracks, serials, pirated versions or the posting of software that should have been aquired by legal means and we will remove (delete) them when found. Please help us keep this site clean by posting links of that sort in this tread as well as telling us if you have found anything on the ftp site."
So in light of that, i have removed the link to download Skyfire via RapidShare from here. Anyways, i'm sure if you register on the site, you'll get your hands on it - since even i got it and i am in Pakistan!
Best regards.

This is all well and good, but currently, skyfire doesn't support VGA or WVGA devices!!! Is there a fix/workaround to this?

fpbiii said:
This is all well and good, but currently, skyfire doesn't support VGA or WVGA devices!!! Is there a fix/workaround to this?
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It doesn't? Well it's a Beta, so hopefully will soon.

Wow thanks for telling me about this. I installed it and it looks very promising. Not to mention the pages load really fast.

Kloc said:
Wow thanks for telling me about this. I installed it and it looks very promising. Not to mention the pages load really fast.
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Because they optimise the most common pages on their server
It's a really nice app

Kloc said:
Wow thanks for telling me about this. I installed it and it looks very promising. Not to mention the pages load really fast.
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Awesome!!!!

Well after using it for a few days I switched to Opera Mobile bet 9.6. I actually like it quite a bit better then skyfire. Yes skyfire load pages faster then anything I've seen but zooming on those pages takes time and trying to scroll is bad. Opera's new program takes full time to load the page but once it's loaded the scrolling and moving is very good.

In case you can't download this, then i just updated the first post with a rapidshare link to download this.

Skyfire has shut down nonUS winmo 1.5 server access as of July1, 2010. Android v2 still works in Australia. Have found an alternative but costs ~$30 after a 7 day trial, Mach5 Web @ www.netacceler.com. This is a Hongkong based server and may encounter some geolocking by some sites (such as ABC.net.au iview). This is the only video enabled browser for winmo that I'm aware of. It doesn't 'remember' usename and passwords as Opera does.

in the past , i used to LIKE skyfire. Why? because it supports flash and other stuffs. it plays videos on other sites not just youtube. What I don't like about it TODAY is that it does not allow other countries, like the Philippines to use it. now I'm stucked at old opera. so sad.

And it still suffers from the very issues that have been there since it's introduction (checkboard issue, slowness of scrolling and zooming...). Sadly one more app among many others for which development has been stopped due to the imminent lauch of Windows Phone 7. I think now we definitely have to face the fact that our platform (Windows Mobile) is dying.

Which Opera version?

There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?

SaltyDawg said:
There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?
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I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.

TelloMan said:
I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.
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Where can I get it? What is the build number?

Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen. I think the real reason I stopped using it was there was some kind of text reflow issue when you zoomed it though. It has no widgets, although it installs a shortcut to the non-existent widgets, so you need to delete it.
However, I currently use NFSFan's build 15316, which I like due to its 10 tab support and speed. However, as a trade off, it suffers from the screen flipping problem if you minimize it or touch the taskbar while using it. And I definitely agree with TelloMan about the widgets, they just waste space and annoy me. Try to keep looking around XDA, especially in Development and Hacking (where I found many opera builds).
Dave

Yeah, NSFan's 15316 is the one I'm using now. The screen flipping is driving me crazy.
It's hard to believe there isn't one decent browser for Windows Mobile. Anyone know what's going on with that Firefox Mobile?

you're referring to "Minimo" by Mozilla. I haven't seen or heard much lately from them. There's some opera builds are fairly close to perfection depending on what irritates you the least amount. Too bad none of them has flash working perfectly yet. If I had to choose 2 browsers for WM, it would be netfront and opera mobile

well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.

Actually, I think he is referring to Fennec, not minimo. Minimo was horrible and requires very high specs, while Fennec, which is still in alpha/early beta, is very unstable yet very promising. It will be quite a while before it will be really usable. I would just stick to opera mobile for now. Skyfire works well, but isn't 100% stable. Opera mini is fast, but not full featured.
As I said, Fennec is very promising, but it is extremely unstable and VGA only for now.
Dave

bronx said:
well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.
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I agree about Mini i use it for pretty much everything then for sensitive info use Mobile.
"I like fast pages and come from SP stock so used to the Mini approach"

I used to get annoyed by the text flipping, but Manila2D always corrects the screen back to portrait when you hit the homescreen. I've been using that as my bandaid.

Build 15233 is yummy
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen.
<snippy snip snip>
Dave
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Like Dave was, I just got build 15233 running per the instructions at
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blog/9/tutorial-everything-you-need-know-about-flash-lite-3-and-playing-back-flash-web-videos
and it is by far the best browser experience I've had on my Tilt yet. Flash even worked on http://www.spezzo.com.
It isn't very fast, but compared to IE and the first Minimo, this actually WORKS. I can switch from mobile versions to desktop versions, zoom and scroll, and it uses my IE favorites.
AT&T Tilt
Windows Mobile 6.1 (Build 19199.dutty's)
Thanks XDA good guys!

Anyone Try Out Iris Browser?

Looks pretty cool. I'm downloading now.
http://on10.net/blogs/sarahintampa/Iris-A-New-Browser-for-Windows-Mobile-Emerges-from-Beta/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpX5JZWtu-g
http://www.irisbrowser.com/download/
The Iris Browser is a new, Webkit-based web browser for Windows Mobile devices running versions 5 or 6(+). The company recently released an updated version (Iris Browser 1.1.0) which is a very different piece of software than the one that was being used by beta testers. In the latest update, the company says they’ve merged a year’s worth of WebKit development into the browser while also re-auditing all their work, addressing performance issues, and making the browser capable of viewing almost any website on the net.
Most notably to end users, the refreshed browser now provides Flash support by way of a plugin that converts the Flash Lite ActiveX control into an Iris Browser plugin. The end result is that when you browse to Flash-enabled pages, you will see a black image with a play button which you can click to optionally see the Flash content.
The new Iris browser is highly compliant, too, scoring a 100/100 on Acid3 with only a couple of minor rendering glitches. Those glitches are related to fonts, where they deliberately cut some corners for better performance. Iris is also highly compatible with iPhone websites, the company reports.
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Hey pretty good! I'm just apparently having some trouble to click on certain links that don't respond, and can't get flash videos to work, but the rest works impressively well!

Nice....
Looks Really nice,
Going to try it soon.

iris browser suck balls just do skyfire. theres no waiting list now and the new upgrades are awesome. browser includes flash content.......lemme repeat includes flash content!! lol free flowing youtube and myspace if u into that

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Looks Really nice,
Going to try it soon.
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For flash support, install the official Flash player 3.1 to your device, (not memory card), and unzip the attached file (NPFL3ppc.dll) to \Program Files\Iris Browser\Plugins Flash should now work in Iris Browser.

toastman74 said:
iris browser suck balls just do skyfire.
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Well sorry but to me it's skyfire that "sucks balls"....
For comparable "speedy" browsing I much prefer Opera Mini, now as sometimes a "full" browser with local rendering is needed I was still looking for one and it seems Iris does the job.
And it's also supposed to supplrt flash if you read above. I didn't manage to get it wirking with those instructions though... not that I care much actually.

a little help
apparently, i am a moron. the download is not in cab format, and i do not know how to install it. i did not see any instruction on their site.

k-semler said:
For flash support, install the official Flash player 3.1 to your device, (not memory card), and unzip the attached file (NPFL3ppc.dll) to \Program Files\Iris Browser\Plugins Flash should now work in Iris Browser.
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Didn't work for me. Trying to play a video at YouTube, I get an "could not create ActiveX object" error.
Where did you get the Official Flash 3.1? I installed the redistributable developer flash from the Adobe site.

kilrah said:
Well sorry but to me it's skyfire that "sucks balls"....
For comparable "speedy" browsing I much prefer Opera Mini, now as sometimes a "full" browser with local rendering is needed I was still looking for one and it seems Iris does the job.
And it's also supposed to supplrt flash if you read above. I didn't manage to get it wirking with those instructions though... not that I care much actually.
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I'm so supprised more peeps don't use Mini as defacto browser as it's so fast, also keeps my data costs down, there is times i use fully fledged browser but Mobile does the trick.
Have found evey iris release slow to render page and then even when rendered "or so you think" you move the page down and get grey squares, just like Skyfire.
Just my opinion.

Yea for me Mini does 95% of the job, but I have a couple of sites I visit that don't appreciate the whole going through a 3rd party server thing. I ditched Mobile as the full-fledged alternative because all the versions I tried had very annoying bugs (from SIP bugs to Mobile switching the phone to reverse landscape when quitting it if i had been using it in landscape mode for example). That iris version seems to be a bit faster rendering too.

dont get me wrong opera mini is my main browser built in but for tubin' and myspace theres nothin better than skyfire.

I just installed 1.1.3 and this thing is *AMAZING*
Best browser I've ever used on windows mobile.
Stuff just looks ... *right*
I'm so happy winmo is finally get a browser to rival Safari. THIS IS IT.

Personally, i don't think it is great ...there are alot of bugs and the biggest one for me is the HUGE memory consumption and ungracefull UI. People Like opera becaus you have a full screen to work with... and this right now is not cutting it for me.
I'll watch its progress i guess, its not quite "up to speed" for me yet....

joel2009 said:
Personally, i don't think it is great ...there are alot of bugs and the biggest one for me is the HUGE memory consumption and ungracefull UI. People Like opera becaus you have a full screen to work with... and this right now is not cutting it for me.
I'll watch its progress i guess, its not quite "up to speed" for me yet....
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I completely agree...although I must say this version is much better the previous, much less buggy, even though there are still some bugs. and the UI could have been a bit more pleasent...I will stick with Skyfire

Adobe Flash Lite 3.1 Distributable Player
k-semler said:
For flash support, install the official Flash player 3.1 to your device, (not memory card), and unzip the attached file (NPFL3ppc.dll) to \Program Files\Iris Browser\Plugins Flash should now work in Iris Browser.
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I thought I'd include this here so it would be more convenient to grab this and the dll at the same time.
oops.. repost; attached dll.

how was it if compared with NetFront... i'm using NetFront for browsing...
the other i have tried is opera and skyfire... i'm still prefer using the NetFront

kusha said:
how was it if compared with NetFront... i'm using NetFront for browsing...
the other i have tried is opera and skyfire... i'm still prefer using the NetFront
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hmm... haven't tried NetFront; haven't even heard of it up until you mentioned it... does it have OOB flash support? i've tried opera and skyfire, and the new version of IE shipping with wm6.1/wm6.5... so far, Iris seems to be the best browser for me... features like g-sensor (accelerometer) support, touch wheel (HTC Diamond/Touch Pro devices) support, mouse emulation, etc.. really make it the best choice for me.

anyone
Has anyone got iris browser 2.0(latest) version? Torch mobile is no longer there. RIM has taken over and it is no longer available for download. I am using 1.1.9 at the moment.
If anyone has it please post it.

best browser?

what version is the opera browser already installed on the xperia x1? i have both this one and opera mobile 10
and in ur openion what is the best browser for the x1?

I installed Skyfire from the windows marketplace and i've got to say its very fast and very easy to use - my second choice would be the opera pre-installed because you can use the volumn buttons to zoom in (unlike opera 10 )

Best PPC Browser I've ever used: UC Web Browser
Free - Fast - Anonymouse

I guess it's 9.5.

surprising nobody has voted for PIE yet
my vote went for opera mini

Opera rocks like none............................ Its user interface has now set a benchmark which will let us, the user to feel the web in our hand without being connected to wires.

lol opera mobile 10 is sweet, full internet support, even youtube like the desktop experience

I will say that:
There's still no perfect browser.
I don't know if there will be any.
For now Opera Mini 5 native for WM is the fastest
and works good,
but OMobile 10 supports more things in browsing.
Unfortunately still OMobile 9.5
on X1 can do things no other can do....

Best browser for me would be Opera mobile 10 with the possibilities of Skyfire. Now it is Opera Mobile 10 because its fast, but I also use Skyfire if I cant get the desktop version of a site on Opera Mobile.

9.5 > SkyFire > All others
Mini sucks.

orelsi said:
9.5 > SkyFire > All others
Mini sucks.
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Interesting view.
9.5 is capable but slow...
And crashes very often.
Skyfire I don't use
but Mini native is really impressive in many areas.

doministry said:
Interesting view.
9.5 is capable but slow...
And crashes very often.
Skyfire I don't use
but Mini native is really impressive in many areas.
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Agreed about the 9.5 I find that the pluses outweigh the minuses in this particular case.
SkyFire was pathetic at the beginning, but is getting better with every update. Too bad it doesn't have multiple tab support, yet.
Mini annoys me for some reason.
The Fennec browser will be the next big thing IMHO. It is quite awesome even on this early stage of development.

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Agreed about the 9.5 I find that the pluses outweigh the minuses in this particular case.
SkyFire was pathetic at the beginning, but is getting better with every update. Too bad it doesn't have multiple tab support, yet.
Mini annoys me for some reason.
The Fennec browser will be the next big thing IMHO. It is quite awesome even on this early stage of development.
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Fennec/Mozilla for WM is OVER.
Officially stopped all the development for it.
Maybe for WP7...

doministry said:
Fennec/Mozilla for WM is OVER.
Officially stopped all the development for it.
Maybe for WP7...
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Yup, I have faith, though. Put on hold doesn't mean cancelled + they are still developing it for other platforms.

Aha,in China Everyone like using UCWEB as the internet browser.
so i choose UCWEB. not you mentioned above.

I am using iris browser. Sadly it is not available anymore. Only browser so far that passes acid3-test.

Sadly, every browser have at least one major problem.
- Skyfire webpages looks like **** and there is no costumization options
- New IE in WM6.5 is actually really good, but is SLOOOOOOOOOOOW
- Opera already installed (probably you mean 9.x) dont support HW keyboard
- Opera mini dont have zoom setting (only font size which corrupt lots of pages) and dont support javascript.
- OM10 is really close to perfect browser, but when you click link or back button, there is no indication that it started loading, so you dont know if you actually clicked it.
Anyway, my choice is OM10.
doministry said:
Fennec/Mozilla for WM is OVER.
Officially stopped all the development for it.
Maybe for WP7...
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AFAIK Mozilla said that they wont develop browser if M$ wont open platform. Which probably wont happen.

matejdro said:
Sadly, every browser have at least one major problem.
- Skyfire webpages looks like **** and there is no costumization options
- New IE in WM6.5 is actually really good, but is SLOOOOOOOOOOOW
- Opera already installed (probably you mean 9.x) dont support HW keyboard
- Opera mini dont have zoom setting (only font size which corrupt lots of pages) and dont support javascript.
- OM10 is really close to perfect browser, but when you click link or back button, there is no indication that it started loading, so you dont know if you actually clicked it.
Anyway, my choice is OM10.
AFAIK Mozilla said that they wont develop browser if M$ wont open platform. Which probably wont happen.
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EXACTLY my feelings.
IE could be so good if faster!!

matejdro said:
Sadly, every browser have at least one major problem.
- Skyfire webpages looks like **** and there is no costumization options
- Opera already installed (probably you mean 9.x) dont support HW keyboard
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Not ture.
- The resolution and sharpness is a lot better in the newest version.
- Lolwat? Yes it does.

True,
Opera Mobile supports HW qwerty perfectly.