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what is the point of the cube?

I have been using dutty's rom with cube for the tilt and maybe I just don't get it by why is anyone putting it on their kaiser?
Don't get me wrong, I can see the point of it on the touch but why with the kaiser?
Yes, it is kinda cool to show it off to other people but it is such a waste to use. For example, slide finger over and over till you find the internet button and hit that OR just one quick hit for the internet button on the front of the phone.
Use the same cube moves to get to contacts or just one quick click on the front of the htc rom.
Using the cube is MUCH more time consuming then just using the phone as it was meant to be. Is everyone just so caught up with the "wow factor" of the touch cube or am I missing something?

Wow factor... It's rather retarded IMO

I agree with argo. At some point you still have to whip out the stylus to input information, doesn't matter if you used the cube to get you to contacts or if you used the hardware key to get to contacts. I've installed some of the finger friendly add-ons (not the cube) and it helps with simple taks, but if I'm opening an app, I usually still do it from the stylus. Old habits die hard...

yup, eye candy.

Mostly Eye Candy...
..but also for me, it's an attempt to have a fully functional device with one hand/one finger---without any need for the stylus.
With THE CUBE, FTOUCHFLO, Home Plugin, FFF, OtO, TekSoft FingerTouch and a few others, I don't remember the last time I actually had to whip out the stylus...
...oh WAIT! It was earlier today!!!
Oh well!!
TEC

I am using Touch-Commander simply to multiply the number of contacts I can speed-dial while driving without scrolling down an endless list. I also like the fact that I can SMS my faves as well as call them from their icon.
I was playing with the HTC Photo Album, but it is just not as efficient at finding the pics you want as is the Resco app.
Of all of the "touchy-feely" apps that have come along recently, FFF is, IMHO the one really fantastic one.

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Of all of the "touchy-feely" apps that have come along recently, FFF is, IMHO the one really fantastic one.
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I also agree that the Cube, and the obsession around it, is kinda overkill. Functionally, I don't see the sube as an advancement. Yes, the other parts of TouchFLO are valuable to me, and the recent creations to make the phone more finger-friendly otherwise like FFF are also useful to me. But the cube? I could do without.
I almost think the general obsession with the cube became more of a Mt Everest type of "we have to climb that mountain" quest more than anything else. Yes, its eye candy, but to be honest, its not even that great of eye candy. The iPhone "eye candy-wise" has it topped by far, and believe me, I'm not an Apple fanboy in any way shape or form. So, congrats to those who were able to scale the mountain. I envy your skill and your determination. Really, I do.
As for the recent programs that I like and think are functionally great, and to be honest minimize to very large degree the need for me to use my stylus are:
- FFF (easily the greatest, little, free, simple programs ever IMO)
- HTC Home
- S2U2 (much better at locking and yes its pretty also )
- PCM Keyboard (not the contacts prog, but the keyboard)
- Opera Mini 4
- Google Maps and Live Search
- PocketPlayer 3.5
Just my 2 cents. Honestly, since I installed these apps, I go days without even touching my stylus...Only when I do something non-routine, would I need to do so.

i think it would serve alot more purpose if we were able to customize it, maybe we can, but i know i have no idea how to. half the apps in it i never use. bout all i use it for is for the fav. people side. just a quick flick of the finger and i can free up some space on home screen

I seldom used the cube...on my old device, herald p4350
But I cooked roms, and ofcourse the cube was something ppl would say "wow" to, and then tell me how impressed they are..blahblah.
Some ppl drive stick, some automatic.....a matter of taste I guess.
Well, I think the cube is a cool invention, but the consept has a long road ahead before I will implement it again in my own rom.
But im sure HTC has a plan, and im sure they have many cool apps waiting, or in development that will make our devices more and more independent of the stylus.
HTC is spitting out cool devices faster then my granpa changed underwear....And im pretty sure all the new future features will be quite available for us all as they come.
I heard a rumor they are developing a touch type calendar, operated "similar" to htc album and some part the random access, but dont ask how that will operate, cant picture it exactly, but im sure its fun
Another rumor I heard is that htc are making a new innovative web browser, witch can operate over wifi/bluetooth against activesync/mobile center, zooming like htc album, flicking your finger left-right gestures to move forward and back..there was something about support for streaming many types of fileformats directly in the browser...
But...its just rumors I heard, I have not seen any proof of this anywhere...
Hoping someone has heard similar rumors????

And this is the one thing I like about the iPhone. Is I think it was sort of a wake up call for software developers to think of new programs and new ways to interact with existing functionality. So I thank them for spawning alot of disucssion and ideas about how to make a convergence device better and more practical/usable!
Now, if we can just get HTC to implement a screen as nice and sensitive as the one on that other thing...

I installed the cube successfully and gave it up twice. The main reason is that when I touch a small fav photo on the dialer of the HTC Home pluggin, the call goes out immediately to the ONE phone (mobile or home or whatever) of the person that I have assigned it to. With the cube, it just goes to the contact, and then I have to press the specific phone of the two or three assigned to the contact to make the call. Overall (one stroke to turn on the cube, another to get to the fav icons of the dialer, another to get to the right phone choice) it takes three keystrokes to make a call versus just one in the HTC Home plugin. Cube is nice, but not convenient.

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well I think everyone is correct it is eye candy it is mt everest and can be (or is now less effective) the cube is kinda a waste of memory ill agree. but the kaiser has only been out for 10-11 weeks that's it. the cube now is trying to catch up to what the elf is. with the elf the cube and the on screen keyboard is very effective. I've played with it. right now the elfs cube is a touch snapier (probaly because of the bugs still in there). but lets take that contacts situation from before htc home is 2 moves and 3 on the cube now. but what if u edited the registry so it dials mr jones mobile instead of mr jones subscreen (its been done already look in the elf thread). then u set the cube to always launch the contacts page (not done yet but the cube gods are discussing it). when the cubes final it will probaly behave better and quicker. so half a swipe up and the cubes launched and u land your finger on your contact. now your action took one quick fluent movement and it looks cool. not only that the original htc cube is three faces not too exciting but what if they make it a real cube with 6 sides. along with some original apps as previously discussed we might be very close to being without a stylus

In my opinion, the cube has some advantages. For example somtimes I wanna write my girlfiend an SMS, somtimes I want to call her, so for me the Contact Menu ist no disadvantage. Another example is, that the move with my thumb to open the cube is much more easier, than klick the smaller icons on the home screen. And the Cube opens on the Side it was closed. So in my case, I only need one thumb move to get to my contacts.

The Cube is 2008. No cube is oldsk00l
Now but I just like the design of it. I personaly only use the first screen and sometimes the contact screen. But IE, Comm, E-mail etc I never use cause i have keys that open those things.

Hmmmm....I do find it weird that there are people complaining about the cube on the Tytn II simply because last time I checked...it didn't ship with the cube
If you don't like, you don't have to go through the hassle of putting it on your device. Simple as that. Some people like it for the "wow" factor...good for them. Sometimes when you pay a lot of money for something, you may want to show of a bit (I know I do lol)
Personally, I use Dutty's rom with built in cube and I use the cube quite a lot for media such as my photo's (as it directs me to HTC Album which I like a lot), Video (which directs me to TCMP player) and my Music (Audio manager)
Anything that makes you feel good about owning something, even if it's purely aesthetic, can't be a bad thing.

Which is why I'll never get an i-Phone. I played with my mates one the other day and although its very seductive, its too limited fot me and I quickly got bored.
Personalisation is the key!

kireol said:
yup, eye candy.
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I agree, I still don't have a Tytn II, I have a HTC Touch, I never use the cube, I only show it to people.

its all 4 show..
cube off = the way to roll.

Yeah, I stay away from roms with the cube

I like the cube!!
Is interesting to see the comments, because I actually like the cube for a few reasons...
But before that a little side comment. The cube (at the moment) is still probably aesthetics over functionality but you have to wonder if this is such a bad thing...look at the iphone - the ultimate example of style over true substance. It had my wife's total attention for 20 minutes in the O2 shop the other day - something my PPC had never done. Now that might be a comment on my wife but the sales figures would suggest otherwise
I'm using slither's cube and what it has done for me is allowed me to clean up my today screen of all those icons I used just enough to want to have close but not every 5 minutes.
The end result is my whole device runs faster for a few thumbswipes worth of effort.
As the cube develops it will get better and functionality and aesthetics will improve because you can bet the iphone wont stand still and we musn't either because I CANT STAND APPLE and the tripe they pour out.
Rant over. I'll get my coat now

Spb Pocket Plus and its plugins

Hi!
I know someone's probably asked this before, but is anyone using the SPB Pocket Plus, with its myriad of plugins? What is your take on it, is it something worth getting?
Also, when you use it, is it still possible to display the time on the today screen, just like its displayed in the HTC home plugin? (would you need to buy their time plugin along with it?)
What plugins would you recommend to be a must have?
Thanks in advance!

Ughhh! If you know it's been asked before then why did you ask again?
Yes, a lot of people use it. SPB has good stuff. You can still display the time and don't need the SPB Time program.
Search for "must have plugins" and get a better answer than just posting the question.

do we really need rude unhelpful replies like this...
i,ve had it & wasn,t too impressed...too many small buttons which can be found just as easily by going throu the menu

It is a matter of preference. I find it useful to the extent that I do not like a cluttered home screen. So, I have seven tabs - six of which open programs (five programs assigned to a tab) - and the seventh (a smiley) in the center which has nothing assigned and gives my home screen nearly 2/3rds of an empty screen so I can display photos, themes, etc., and be able to see them, rather then having them covered with icons, symbols, etc.

I tried them all but only use a few of them. The back up program I use all the time so much better than sprite backup. I like the options that come with Pocket Plus but i disable the today screen plugin cause to me it clutters it up. I also really like the diary program that i use the most.

SPB
I went for SPB after hating the HTC ones. I like the customizability(?) of the SPB screen (although I wish I could increase icon size to be uniform [added ones are smaller than default ones] and add captions])

I was a little unimpressed at first, but then I found out how to really use it to my advantage. I was able to add the HSDPA (H) icon to the home screen as a shortcut to enabling/disabling H connection!

I use it too and like it, but then again I've been using Spb software for years now and really got used to it.
- Pocket Plus (v4) - Top of my Today Screen
- Diary - right under Pocket Plus on my today Screen, fills most of the screen
- Backup - runs every night at 3am with 3 copies kept on SD Card
- Spb Insight - great RSS reader also for offline
- Spb Weather - since I don't use the HTC Today plugin with weather
- Spb Brain Evolution - Game
- Spb Mobile DVD - used to have it but don't need it for TyTN II (400MHz)
- Spb Mobile Shell - Didn't like it
- Spb Phone Suite - Didn't see the point of it
You can try all the SpB apps for 15days nad then just enter a serial nr...

Phone Suite is great because it allows you to set what profile you want.
You can fully edit profiles. The best is auto profile, it will switch to normal profile in normal circumstances, then into silent or meeting mode during a meeting (scheduled in the calendar) and then revert back to normal or loud profile. If you connect a headset it will switch to headset profile automatically.
Very user friendly.

jdmba said:
I went for SPB after hating the HTC ones. I like the customizability(?) of the SPB screen (although I wish I could increase icon size to be uniform [added ones are smaller than default ones] and add captions])
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May I ask how you did this? I would find that to be helpful. Thanks

thanks guys! I installed spb yesterday, and i'm trying to tweak it to make it work just the way I want it too. On one hand I feel, the HTC home plugin is simplistic, and sophisticated looking and i should stick with it, but on the other, i feel like the power of pocket plus is immense...i guess i just have to play around with it and find a nice balance!
just out of curiosity..adding all this stuff on the phone, does it make the standard operations slower?

Looking for simple calendar

I previously used a Treo 650 and had a simple calendar program on there called Month Planner.
http://mytreo.net/downloads/monthplanner,751.html
I'm looking for something like this.
-Small, simple program that is very quick to load, replacing only the calendar and NOT the contacts or tasks.
-Includes a number of icons for various appointments, holidays, etc.
-Defaults to a Month view every time you run the program (i like to always start out with a month view, then select the specific day from there).
-Accidental tap proof (doesn't jump straight into a DAY view if you mis-tap the wrong square. Instead you hold the stylus to add event otherwise it lists the events on that day at the top or bottom of the screen).
Is there anything out there that can mimic the functionality, interface, and speed of this old program?

I really like the one that is built in to the OS

you can try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326891
i believe the developer has abandonned the project(Its ashame), but it is pretty simple and intuitive

arsunist said:
I previously used a Treo 650 and had a simple calendar program on there called Month Planner.
http://mytreo.net/downloads/monthplanner,751.html
I'm looking for something like this.
-Small, simple program that is very quick to load, replacing only the calendar and NOT the contacts or tasks.
-Includes a number of icons for various appointments, holidays, etc.
-Defaults to a Month view every time you run the program (i like to always start out with a month view, then select the specific day from there).
-Accidental tap proof (doesn't jump straight into a DAY view if you mis-tap the wrong square. Instead you hold the stylus to add event otherwise it lists the events on that day at the top or bottom of the screen).
Is there anything out there that can mimic the functionality, interface, and speed of this old program?
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Search for thumbcal
Maynot have the icons feature but its very simple and finger friendly. Load very quick and straight to monthly view.
It keeps me on track of all the tasks and appointment . In the end, it is you who commit to the tasks , not the calendar. Thats why I only need something simple.

Search for ThumbCal great program.

ThumbCal looks nice, I may try it out. I just prefer the icons to help me easily discern between actual meetings and tasks vs. holidays and birthdays without having to select each day for more detail it's also nice to be able to tell the difference between the type of meetings and events through selected icons. yeah i'm lazy but maybe there's a program to cater to that laziness monthplanner did it on the Treo so I'm hoping something similar can eventually be found on Windows Mobile.

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I really like the one that is built in to the OS
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I really like the size of the one built into the OS. Now if I could just get it to NOT jump straight into the day when I tap one of the boxes within the month AND be able to add icons for events, that'd be perfect. just some slight additions and I'd be happy. No need to completely overhaul the thing :-D

Getting Rid of TF3D

This thread is for discussion among those of us TD2 users who have dumped, or might dump, TF3D in favour of either another Today screen replacement or the stock WinMo 6.1 Today screen.
Thus far I'm finding the TD2 a hell of a lot more usable without TF3D. Little things like being able to use a lock password with a 15 minute delay, getting auto-Capitalization when writing texts are good, along with a much faster phone, much less memory usage and....it even seems I'm getting better battery life.
Most of the bugs people are reporting are actually TF3D issues which are resolved by ditching TF3D.
So has anyone else taken the plunge and gone back to the standard WinMo6.1?

I used to installed Ultimate Launch then Spb Mobile Shell in my original Diamond. Now I am using TF3D in my Diamond2. I wish Mobile Shell 3 may upload a more bug free version for the new device such as HD and Diamond2 and I may switch back to Mobile Shell. Perhaps WM6.5 release may change my plan and look forward to what HTC still put their manila on top of those WM6.5 device.

As I said, the thread is for people who are NOT using TF3D.
Personally I think WM6.5 will render TF3D completely redundant by handling the one thing it's good at - gloss.
Another thing I've noticed about not using TF3D is that the phone's response to tilting it to landscape and back is a lot faster.

My case as well: I've got the feeling that TF3D is more like a heavy bag.
As soon as I deactivated, the phone became easier to be handled and plus, presenting extra memory/battery resources as well.
However, a Launcher is very much needed, since neither the TF3D, nor the WM's Today screen don't offer the possibility to get to your action choice with only one button-tap.
Is there a good free launcher which can do that?
cheers!

I'm finding judicious use of which apps you put into the Start Menu helps a lot - the apps I use on a daily basis are all there, others I can get to via their presence on the Today screen, such as Tomtom.
The start menu seems to appear quicker than the TF3D one does as well.
Another thing I'm liking is the Today plugin for the RSS reader - TF3D2 didn't seem to handle RSS alerts well, when you acknowledged them it didn't take you into the RSS reader.
Best of all though is the fact I can now password protect my phone properly and delay it for 15 mins so I'm not badgered for the password all the time.
I'm finding that I don't need the stylus much either, despite the smaller menus and so on.
I just can't get over the extended battery life and improved memory usage though!

Without TF3D and three apps running (calendar, contacts and file explorer) my memory is loaded only 38%.
With TF3D it never went under 50%.
As for the battery, I can only say that it seems that lasts longer, but I didn't really seriously monitor it.

I was using PointUI Home2 free version on my Diamond, it's great. Less memory usage, and huge customisability. I had 5 "tabs" with the homescreen (see attachment) calendar & tasks, comms, stock, and weather. Worked great.
The default Home2 theme is a little mucky, but there is a huge range of alternative themes. I made a nice black one that suits the diamond.

If I get rid of TF3D then
- can I alter by normal threaded SMS for to show more than 1 line that I have typed in my new reply (like TF3D does)?
- can I still create push internet sites without TF3D?
- will the hardware button for program files still work? Will this take me to the same screen?
Can I exit TF3D without disabeling it just to check out how things look?
I have disabled and tweaked so much of TF3D that I am also thinking that it is going to be off my device with the 6.5 ROM anyway .... why not do it now.

chch said:
If I get rid of TF3D then
- can I alter by normal threaded SMS for to show more than 1 line that I have typed in my new reply (like TF3D does)?
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Yes
- can I still create push internet sites without TF3D?
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I believe so as this is an Opera thing but I don't use Push Internet at all so I can't be sure
- will the hardware button for program files still work? Will this take me to the same screen?
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Assuming you mean the flag button, yes it still brings up the Start Menu, but you'll get the normal WM6.1 one, which contains your most recently used apps, your seven favourite apps you've selected to appear on the menu, a shortcut to Settings and a shortcut to all your Programs.
Can I exit TF3D without disabeling it just to check out how things look?
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Just go into All Settings, Personal, Today and uncheck the TF3D box to turn TF3D off. Give it a few days of usage before you make your mind up. Don't forget to turn on and customize the other Today screen plugins to get the full experience.
I have disabled and tweaked so much of TF3D that I am also thinking that it is going to be off my device with the 6.5 ROM anyway .... why not do it now.
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My thoughts entirely. In a couple of months' time TF3D will be completely redundant anyway.

Incidentally, I've started getting right into Today screen plugins...TodayAgenda is frankly the best app on my phone. I use the Todo (Tasks) app more than any other app on my phone. TodayAgenda allows you to have your task list (with only the active tasks showing, huzzah!) right there on your today screen, so you don't even need to unlock your phone to see what you need to do next! And you can complete tasks and create new ones right there on the Today screen. It's awesome and I can see this becoming my new most-used widget.
Just this one plugin renders TF3D utterly redundant as far as I'm concerned!
The RSS reader has a plugin too, which is really useful.
Does anyone else have good suggestions for really useful Today plugins? I tried PointUI Home2 but that's more of a replacement than a plugin.

Hi Jim,
By TodayAgenda you mean the calendar inputs shown in the Today screen?
If this is so, I'm a little disapointed because it shows only the next one, not the next week ones, let's say...
Is there a way to have more than one event listed?
thanks

grgmhlch said:
Hi Jim,
By TodayAgenda you mean the calendar inputs shown in the Today screen?
If this is so, I'm a little disapointed because it shows only the next one, not the next week ones, let's say...
Is there a way to have more than one event listed?
thanks
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No I'm talking about TodayAgenda - it's a plugin, you have to download and install it. It lets you look as far ahead as you like and does both Todos and Calendat entries (although I only use it for Todos).
Also, try WMP Status 1.0, it shows you on the today screen the artist, album, track and track number that you're currently playing in Media Player. Very useful as you don't need to unlock your phone to see what you're listening to!

grgmhlch said:
Hi Jim,
By TodayAgenda you mean the calendar inputs shown in the Today screen?
If this is so, I'm a little disapointed because it shows only the next one, not the next week ones, let's say...
Is there a way to have more than one event listed?
thanks
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Incidentally, if you go into Settings / Today and highlight CALENDAR, click OPTIONS, you can set it to show all upcoming appointments instead of just the next one.

Jim Coleman said:
Incidentally, if you go into Settings / Today and highlight CALENDAR, click OPTIONS, you can set it to show all upcoming appointments instead of just the next one.
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Thank you Jim.
It seems that I've missed the Option button.
Thanks for the TodayAgenda tip too.

grgmhlch said:
Thank you Jim.
It seems that I've missed the Option button.
Thanks for the TodayAgenda tip too.
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No problem. Check out WMP Status 1.0 as well, it's really useful when you're listening to music!

Ok, since I droped TF3D, I also dropped the phone dialer skin, leaving the WM one, which is fine for me but apparently it has a bug:
it doesn't show me the calls&contacts, in its scroll-down field, even though there is some information present, because if I tap, it opens the call's details window.
In other words, it's like a list on which the items have the same font color like the list's background.
Did anybody experienced the same?
Is it possible that another dialer skin would change this behavior?

I put Phonealarm and today agenda straight on my phone and removed TF3D its just too restricting. I can get to everything i need with one click on the home screen none of this swishing fingers to get to stuff.

I really don't know what some of yoy are complaining about...
Not Capitalizing the first letter... NONSENS, when i write a SMS the first letter of a sentence is capitalized..
Memory consumption.......
Why do you think this device has so much ???? Because HTC wants you to run TF3D and still have more then enough memory free to run Whatever app......
I was sceptical at first too. But if you give it a chance you will see that once you have seen every screen (without a reboot) it's VERY fast, and very comfortable...
I am sure i will keep TF3D for a while !

Jim Coleman said:
Does anyone else have good suggestions for really useful Today plugins?
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I used to run 2 Today pages using Second Today.
Weather (SPB Traveller) , CLauncher and SPB Phone (can't beat the options here) on the 1st Today. SPB Diary full screen on the other (2nd) Today.
Custom links to Internet and GPS Navigation complete the productive config.
I travel for business. Calendar and Contacts and the most important.
TF3D Calendar can't make top 20 on market I would say. Contacts in TF3D are death by scrolling (by default). The new D2 Dialer is more productive for contacts than any of the TF3D contacts screens!
I agree that all these other UIs that don't allow Today plugins are missing the point. People want to pay for and use specialist programs where certain functionality is important to them.

Jim Coleman said:
I'm finding judicious use of which apps you put into the Start Menu helps a lot - the apps I use on a daily basis are all there, others I can get to via their presence on the Today screen, such as Tomtom.
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With a WVGA screen, I really wish there were a work around to be able to place more than 7 apps in the start menu. Can't believe I've never found a hack for this.
Alternatively, I love to be able to route the start button to the All Programs folder but never been able to find this either. Two simple things that must not be easy or else we would have seen them before.
BTW, I unchecked TF3D within 24hrs (a month ago). I use SPB Mobile Shell for the shell. For the today screen (WM 6.1) I use Today Agenda, Google Search, Elecont Weather (paid) or WeatherBugDirect (free). I also run all my tasks and appointments from the traditional today screen via TodayAgenda.

Pocket Informant TAB (sense)

Hi,
as there are all kind of tabs for sense, I am quite curious if anyone can create also a tab for Pocket Informant (yes I have a purchased a license - so nothing illegal). What I really miss in SENSE that you can only see one line of date in calendar, but i need to see a lot more.
is it difficult to "develop" or create it? simply a window (tab) that is purely dedicated to Informant, where I can see PI, supporting the colors for categories, etc .. to by able to access all parts, but mainly and most imporatntly the AGENDA and to use it
I understand that probably no one will do it for free, but I am sure we can agree on little something ..
if I missed anything pls let me know - thx

Mashe said:
Hi,
as there are all kind of tabs for sense, I am quite curious if anyone can create also a tab for Pocket Informant (yes I have a purchased a license - so nothing illegal). What I really miss in SENSE that you can only see one line of date in calendar, but i need to see a lot more.
is it difficult to "develop" or create it? simply a window (tab) that is purely dedicated to Informant, where I can see PI, supporting the colors for categories, etc .. to by able to access all parts, but mainly and most imporatntly the AGENDA and to use it
I understand that probably no one will do it for free, but I am sure we can agree on little something ..
if I missed anything pls let me know - thx
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I saw somewhere that there was a sense today screen tab mod. You might want to try looking that up and use Pocket Informant's today screen view.
At least for now.

Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=508102
Cheers!

thx, i will have a look and test it .. looks good