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Tytn II poor performance

I have upgraded from the Tytn to the Tytn II.
With the faster processor I really expected much faster response bt this does not seem to be the case.
Sometimes you tap the X in the top right hand corner and you sit and wait while it decides to exit the application.
Touch the top right hand icon to see running apps, cick stop all, allthe apps clear from the list but the window still stays open forever almost as if its hung.
Try and answer a call and there is an obvious delay between touching the answer button and the call actually being answered.
I have a no name brand 1GB micro SD card in the Tytn II.
This poor performance seems intermittent.
Any clues?
The phone is running ROM 1.56.05.5 Radio 1.27.12.11

samsat said:
I have upgraded from the Tytn to the Tytn II.
With the faster processor I really expected much faster response bt this does not seem to be the case.
Sometimes you tap the X in the top right hand corner and you sit and wait while it decides to exit the application.
Touch the top right hand icon to see running apps, cick stop all, allthe apps clear from the list but the window still stays open forever almost as if its hung.
Try and answer a call and there is an obvious delay between touching the answer button and the call actually being answered.
I have a no name brand 1GB micro SD card in the Tytn II.
This poor performance seems intermittent.
Any clues?
The phone is running ROM 1.56.05.5 Radio 1.27.12.11
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Try one of the cooked ROMs and you should see improvements.

Also processor is not faster. It has exactly the same chip as TyTN.
Just double the RAM and double the storage.
And by looking at your signature you have been using cooked/hacked ROM's in original TyTN. I find these improve performance much more than the original stock ROM's.
Do as mentioned above and install a new ROM. Dutty's Touch with .NET 3.5 is my personal pref at the mo.

silent_killa said:
Also processor is not faster. It has exactly the same chip as TyTN.
Just double the RAM and double the storage.
And by looking at your signature you have been using cooked/hacked ROM's in original TyTN. I find these improve performance much more than the original stock ROM's.
Do as mentioned above and install a new ROM. Dutty's Touch with .NET 3.5 is my personal pref at the mo.
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Hey mate, that's not true.
TyTN II has a completely different type of processor. It has the same speed (400Mhz), but that won't say it isn't faster. This new Qualcomm processor has to be much faster(it is faster). Only problem is that the video isn't hardware supported, and that can make it feel slower when running some apps.

silent_killa said:
Also processor is not faster. It has exactly the same chip as TyTN.
Just double the RAM and double the storage.
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You really should do your homework before spouting off and confusing people. Both phones run @400Mhz, but that's about the only similarity. The two CPU's are very different. I read on here awhile back that the Qualcomm CPU is actually very similar to a dual-core CPU in that it has two distinct processors on it.
Hermes:
Processor: 400 MHz Samsung
Memory: 128 MB ROM/128 MB RAM
Kaiser:
Processor: 400 MHz Qualcomm MSM7200
Memory: 256 MB ROM/128 MB RAM

Thanks for the replies.
It seems that the II has the same performance problems as the I.
Makes you wonder if HTC were listening before they released the II.
Looks like I will have to make use of one of the cooked ROMs.It just amazes me that the users have to fix the shortcomings of the phone!!!

I think theyhave increased the cpu speed and memory to compensate for the lack of direct draw.......just a conspiracy

Lol!
I used to own a TyTN as well.....
Got a bit confused since we were working on enabling the GPS One part of the chip for the TyTN a while back. Thought that this was all part of a single integral QualComm chip.
Still, raw Mhz is the same anyways....

samsat said:
I have upgraded from the Tytn to the Tytn II.
With the faster processor I really expected much faster response bt this does not seem to be the case.
Sometimes you tap the X in the top right hand corner and you sit and wait while it decides to exit the application.
Touch the top right hand icon to see running apps, cick stop all, allthe apps clear from the list but the window still stays open forever almost as if its hung.
Try and answer a call and there is an obvious delay between touching the answer button and the call actually being answered.
I have a no name brand 1GB micro SD card in the Tytn II.
This poor performance seems intermittent.
Any clues?
The phone is running ROM 1.56.05.5 Radio 1.27.12.11
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What other/software/utilities do you have installed? I'd definitely agree that you try a few other cooked ROMs till you find one that "flies" for you...

Nothing else installed, just got the phone yesterday.
Which cooked ROMs are the most stable and are there any special precautions to prevent bricking the phone?

I have a STOCK HTC TyTn and a STOCK HTC TyTnII in front of me.
The TyTynII out performs the basic TyTn in all repects. BT works PERFECT and (one thing people forget!) Media player works in standby mode as with the Wizard.
Remember, 'Kaiser' is the generic term for the model.
Many variants are out there and the 'Tilt' seems to be a very cut-down version with a poor ROM and loads of carrier bloatware. You also have to remember that because of the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit in the US(which is STILL ongoing) certain aspects of these models have been disabled to apease the lawyers!
Many soapbox activists on this forum do not understand whats really going on in the US. Blame your own legal system for the phones faults!

I can't complain about my Tytn II performance (ok the video thing, but mentioned in 100 other threads). I have no problems to close Apps and accept phone calls, ok on the phonecalls it depends if the phone was in sleep before the call, then it has 1-2 seconds to get completly rdy, but that's not a big deal.
Well I also think that the Qualcom lawsuit had/has a big influence on the preformance of the actual firmware... but i expect some improvements in the future.

How does one go about selecting a rom, then installing?
How do I keep my current info,settings and applications?
Is it similar to a hard reset, where I would simply restore a previous backup and carry on?
thanks!

Farsquidge said:
You also have to remember that because of the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit in the US(which is STILL ongoing) certain aspects of these models have been disabled to apease the lawyers!
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You seem to have inside information about this. Would you know exactly what has been disabled?
You also mentioned that your TyTN II outperforms the TyTN in all aspects. Does this include 3D and video acceleration? I.e. have you tried 3D games and would say that these play much faster on the TyTN II? And how about video? Can you play video files without experiencing problems with audio/video sync (which I see on my TyTN II but didn't see on the JASJAM) and poor performance when playing videos with larger frames than 320x240? And how about poor quality drivers for sound that affect the overall performance of the device? This forced me to disable audio feedback on screen taps as the sound would make the device more sluggish to respond to taps.
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Isn't it ironic that HTC chose the Qualcomm chip even though the Samsung processor was fully supported by drivers and provided all features required by the TyTN II, and despite Qualcomm's legal problems and the threats from the US government of stopping the sale of all Qualcomm-based devices in the US, and after having made this choice it's not even properly supported?!
Doesn't this make you think that there were some hanky-panky going on backstage? What I am implying here is that Qualcomm bribed HTC management to choose their chip.

CorruptedSanity said:
How does one go about selecting a rom, then installing?
How do I keep my current info,settings and applications?
Is it similar to a hard reset, where I would simply restore a previous backup and carry on?
thanks!
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Read the Wiki. Think of it as installing a new OS on your computer. It will wipe everything out. I wouldn't recommend restoring backups between different ROM versions. It would be like restoring a full backup from WinXP w/no SP to a machine that had SP2.

I'm pissed.. played with Touch @ Sprint and..

..it was snappy to the point that for a moment I thought that these store demo units are rigged with an intel 2.6 ghz dual-core processor sitting in the back room.
Can someone explain why then the "Tilt" that has exactly the same processor/memory combo but just even the basic navigation of tapping menus, bring up programs, settings etc. was with probably 1 nanosecond delay on the Sprint Touch. Serious!
Infact, it was almost ironical when I activated the famous "touchflo" feature and found that to be quite less responsive compared to the other stuff. Still was lot faster than my Tilt in general.
I have Duttythroy's BIG STORAGE Rom which more or less is quite stable but man, for someone like me who literally uses my phone's various features etc. every 2 minutes or so in an entire day, I could surely use the overall operating system snappyness.. (if there is such a word)
Why.. Why??? Why my Tilt??! Why can't you run like your little brother!!
AJ

because it didnt have anything installed on it.
Put a stripped down rom on your tilt. it will be fast and snappy too.
a corvette is fast and snappy. throw 4000 lbs of potatoes in it and tell me how fast and snappy it is

still not convinced..
I agree with what you say totally. However, in this case I'm still thinking that after my additions to the Tilt and with the Touch "stripped-down", it can't/shouldn't be that much difference.
Come to think of it, even though the Touch may not have lot of programs installed it still did have full Set of Sprint bloatware in it. I played with SprintTV which was essentially mobi tv and other stuff was there as well.. so you can't say that the Touch had a major advantage in installed app dept.
I'll just get over it soon though... especially when I get to type 2-3 back 2 back near 160 char txt msgs and then turn on my TomTom mid way and see it lock on to GPS sats in like 20 secs or so... Touch!! naaah!!
AJ

now if we can just get some video drivers, we can have our cake and eat it too

Ha, go get the Touch then and load your programs on it, use it for a couple of weeks, and see how snappy it is then. Its not just programs, its configuration, messages, alarms, etc...

I don't really know what you're complaining about. My Tilt is quite snappy/responsive. Menus/programs load almost instantly. It's quite a bit faster than my PPC6700. It has several problems that I wish it didn't have...but I can't complain about the responsiveness of the unit itself. It's quite good.
So...the biggest question here is probably: "what today screen programs are you running?" If you're running some flashy today screen software I'd bet that's your problem. I'm a fan of the "clean" look so I don't use anything but HTC Home and the owner/calendar plugins.

Htc Lag Diamond :-(

It's incredible to notice that a 500 Euro phone it's sold with:
-Lag in the TF3D
-Lag in the music player
-Lag in the GPS
-Lag in phone calls
It's incredible that HTC has not fixed yet these problems!!!After months!!!
I am very disappointed and feel very angry,but it looks that all I can do is sell it.
It's not acceptable that there is nothing working perfectly with the phone:UI?no,it's slow,GPS?No it's laggy,phone?No,has problems,mp3 player?No,lags randomly.

htcenrico said:
It's incredible to notice that a 500 Euro phone it's sold with:
-Lag in the TF3D
-Lag in the music player
-Lag in the GPS
-Lag in phone calls
It's incredible that HTC has not fixed yet these problems!!!After months!!!
I am very disappointed and feel very angry,but it looks that all I can do is sell it.
It's not acceptable that there is nothing working perfectly with the phone:UI?no,it's slow,GPS?No it's laggy,phone?No,has problems,mp3 player?No,lags randomly.
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have you updated the rom yet??????????????

So, read up and fix it. Update your ROM from the HTC E-club, or use a cooked ROM.
A PPC is not just a mobile phone.

Its working perfectly at collecting my greasy fingerprints. I've never seen any phone do it with such speed and effiency.
So at least something is working perfectly.

Some problems are fixed, but it is true that there are still other bugs that has neither a phone 20€ and that could be solved very easily (As to block the screen when we have a call...)

htcenrico said:
It's incredible to notice that a 500 Euro phone it's sold with:
-Lag in the TF3D
-Lag in the music player
-Lag in the GPS
-Lag in phone calls
It's incredible that HTC has not fixed yet these problems!!!After months!!!
I am very disappointed and feel very angry,but it looks that all I can do is sell it.
It's not acceptable that there is nothing working perfectly with the phone:UI?no,it's slow,GPS?No it's laggy,phone?No,has problems,mp3 player?No,lags randomly.
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It is annoying how some people join this forum just to rant.
If you have problems with TF3D, make sure you use the latest ROM 1.93 or a cooked ROM. Increase the screen sensitivity (registry hack). Or turn off TF3D like I have done, and install SPB Mobile Shell. I use Mobile Shell not because TF3D lags, but because I don't find it very practical.
The Touch Diamond is a PDA, not just a phone. If you don't like the inbuilt music player, install another one.
I dont experience any lag with my GPS using TomTom or Google Maps.
Another tip is to adjust the settings in Task Manager so that applications close when you press 'X' rather than the default minimise. Any PPC can lag if it runs out of RAM.

Riker88 said:
It is annoying how some people join this forum just to rant.
If you have problems with TF3D, make sure you use the latest ROM 1.93 or a cooked ROM. Increase the screen sensitivity (registry hack). Or turn off TF3D like I have done, and install SPB Mobile Shell. I use Mobile Shell not because TF3D lags, but because I don't find it very practical.
The Touch Diamond is a PDA, not just a phone. If you don't like the inbuilt music player, install another one.
I dont experience any lag with my GPS using TomTom or Google Maps.
Another tip is to adjust the settings in Task Manager so that applications close when you press 'X' rather than the default minimise. Any PPC can lag if it runs out of RAM.
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Hei!I didn't offend anybody so don't you please!
Anyway, I expect the solution from HTC because they are responsible of the money I spent.
The Touch Diamond is a PDA,thanks for your explanation.So GPS and music are function of a PDA,and they simply don't work perfectly.Before posting please read the threads about GPS lag and music lag it is not something related to the software we install is so much more complicated.
If someone is not affected by this bugs,this doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

htcenrico said:
It's incredible to notice that a 500 Euro phone it's sold with:
-Lag in the TF3D
-Lag in the music player
-Lag in the GPS
-Lag in phone calls
It's incredible that HTC has not fixed yet these problems!!!After months!!!
I am very disappointed and feel very angry,but it looks that all I can do is sell it.
It's not acceptable that there is nothing working perfectly with the phone:UI?no,it's slow,GPS?No it's laggy,phone?No,has problems,mp3 player?No,lags randomly.
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thank you for letting us know. it was very important.
what's the drama? go sell it or start reading, learning and applying. make it better! whining is not going to help you!

my phone is running great
i have no problems now with this phone
its a good phone.....you just need to make it beter...its not hard to do
good afternoon KukurikU

Sell it and buy an iPhone

liamhere said:
i have no problems now with this phone
its a good phone.....you just need to make it beter...its not hard to do
good afternoon KukurikU
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So when you buy a car,you repair it by yourself...even if it's in guarantee period.
Risking to make the whole thing worse.
I respect your point of view.
But mine it's a question of principle,and responsability.
Not everybody has the time to (try to) repair the job that is supposed to be I don't say perfect but almost perfect.
I am not talking of minor bugs,but of the core of the PDA,the GPS!The player!The TF3D!What else i am buying it for?If it was only a phone I would buy a 30 Euro one.

htcenrico said:
So when you buy a car,you repair it by yourself...even if it's in guarantee period.
Risking to make the whole thing worse.
I respect your point of view.
But mine it's a question of principle,and responsability.
Not everybody has the time to (try to) repair the job that is supposed to be I don't say perfect but almost perfect.
I am not talking of minor bugs,but of the core of the PDA,the GPS!The player!The TF3D!What else i am buying it for?If it was only a phone I would buy a 30 Euro one.
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Mybe HTC are not for you.
all HTC telephone needing to be "Tuned" and "tweaked" to make it work better and to unlock some "hiddens" features.ALL HTCs.
I already know that for all new htc products i could buy i must tweak and optimize to use it well.
If you post here maybe you know what i say.
1)With latest ROMS TF3D's lag its absent (or at least almost gone.surely much much faster than a nokia n73)
2)My GPS Dont Lag so i dont know.
3)my mp3 plays perfectly so i cant comprehned what are you saying.
Maybe its your fault.
Sell It and buy a 30 euro phone or an Iphone. Or Maybe an Samsung OMNIA.

Funny , why are you here if you dont want to mod your phone. Its a buyers world dude just send it back and get a box standard phone .
I would not suggest the iphone for you either as its riddled with bugs at the moment

After updated and tweaking my TD, I love it, best phone I've had. Granted it could do with a few things fixing on it but it is awesome. I don't see it as just a phone anymore, it's just so much more

I agree that HTC phones are toys need to be tuned but other phones arent perfect and you havent such a support as here in XDA-dev...
but I agree with you in one think phone for 500$ should play MP3s perfectly but many users already announced annoying lag or skip during playback and nobody figured it out yet...

Lag in TF3D? The Two ROM updates didn't fix it for you like it did for everyone else then?
Lag in MP3? check your bit rates. HTC devices have never really liked VBR files or bit rates over 128kbps. try a lower bit rate and see if this fixes it.
Lag in GPS? so far i can only find a very few people who have this issue compared to the thousands that have been sold, which leads me to believe that it is a software issue. ROM's, tweaks applied etc. can't say i have had this on either the diamond or the Touch Pro. this one needs more looking into, which is exactly what the guys here are trying to do, cos HTC can't re-create it yet.
Oh, and there's a name for people that turn up just to complain.....but i won't repeat it here in polite society.

what are you talking about??? VBR maybe but normal MP3 with constant bitrate less then 128kbps??? are you crazy did you hear something less then 128kbps bull..it...it has 528MHz processor so dont try to excuse HTC ignorants its not about bitrate or power of unit...like I wrote elsewhere on Kaiser with 400MHz processor everything was just fine so try another excuse or lie...
BTW doesnt mather VBR or constant bitrate

My Artemis, Athena, and Hermes didn't like VBR files. Not unless i installed coreplayer/TCPMP. So no I'm not crazy, a liar or HTC apologist. I'm a guy who's owned loads of these things and am trying to help.
96kbps is plenty good enough for listening to on the commute to work in the morning. lets face it, it's the same quality as on most FM radio stations and people have been listening to those for years! That's why i suggested it. it's not ideal, but maybe it will help until someone can fix the problem properly.
oh, and there's a name for people like you too......

I still get lag on MP3s even at 96kbps.
I agree that most other issues are now fixed (mainly by forum members) but the sound problem is still there (I have tried numerous ROMs up to SwiftBlades #6).
I have also owned HTC devices for along time, my previous Orbit & Orbit 2 (Touch Cruise) + Prophet all played high bitrate VBR files with no problem using numerous players. WM is generally very good at this sort of thing.
I've only ever had this problem with the Diamond, which otherwise I continue to like.
As stated in previous posts, I'm not in either the "blind adoration" or the "ranting hate" camps, but I do sympathise with those people who, like me, use it as their primary MP3 player.
If only HTC would at least tell us that they acknowledge the problem and are working on it...

but 96kbps isnt enough quality for me my diamond and in-ear headphones with great sound...as well as FM radio but which I can excuse because of many conditions like enviroment and quality of signal...
I agree that VBR can be problem also for some standalone MP3 players...
so sorry for my boom of words but it looks like youre holding brief for HTC because diamond costs so much and you re trying to be satisfied... but you have to agree with me that this MP3 playing situation is inexcusable for 500$ multimedia device...maybe its time to do something with it because new ROM is so far away I think...

Awesome speaker enhancement for Kaisers!

Hi folks, I got myself a Kaiser (Vodafone branded but unlocked) about 2 weeks ago, and have been busily reading these forums so as to NOT appear a total n00b
So far I have applied the WM6.1 update, and found the GPS "problem" (which isnt too bad as outside I get a GPS lock in 30 secs to 1 minute anyway) and am looking forwards to experimenting with some of the excellent ROMS out there when I get some free time.
I thought I'd like to share with you good people a nifty speaker enhancement I found.
When working (I am a Barista for a catering company who travels to shows etc) I like to have music playing, and MS- Voice Command gets me lots of "ooohs" from fellow workers when I tell my phone to play Pink Floyd - and it does!
The built-in external speaker is a LOT clearer and louder than my previous XDAIIi device, and so I turn the phone upside-down to enhance the audio level & quality, but it's still a bit 'tinny' and quiet, no real bass to it.
I work as a Barista, and of course I have an endless supply of 12 oz paper cups to play with and that got me to thinking.....
Take a 12oz paper cup, upright...
Start kaiser playing your favourite kind of music...
place Kaiser on TOP of cup, the right way up, so external speaker is facing down into cup, balance it on the top
Admire how you now have REAL bass sound and twice the volume!
the difference is like night & day
I can only assume the paper cup is acting as a kind of speaker enclosure for the external speaker, it sounds so much better it's fantastic!
No doubt others may want to experiment further (post any good results for us to share!), who knows it may be possible to accousically design a 'proper' reflector for it for really great sound?
just my $0.02
Joe Pinball
new (to me!) Kaiser owner, and LOVING how he gets an "oooh" from iphone users when he tilts & slides...

might try this sometimes.... thanks for the tip

Sounds like you might need to put one of those theft programs on your phone incase someone takes off with it.

Worked pretty good until someone bumped the table and my Tilt fell into the beer in the cup. Guess it would have been better to use an empty cup.

jdwilson said:
Worked pretty good until someone bumped the table and my Tilt fell into the beer in the cup.
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Shame... What a waste of beer.

Reverting is easy if you want excellent GPS back again
Joe Pinball said:
Hi folks, I got myself a Kaiser (Vodafone branded but unlocked) about 2 weeks ago, and have been busily reading these forums so as to NOT appear a total n00b
So far I have applied the WM6.1 update, and found the GPS "problem" (which isnt too bad as outside I get a GPS lock in 30 secs to 1 minute anyway)
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If only everyone else new here did the same and researched things from the forums. This is the second time I've seen the idea of using a cup to modify the sound so there must be something in it. Having upgraded to WM 6.1, I found the broken/poorly performing GPS too and had the phone reverted to WM 6.0 (once by HTC under warranty and once myself using the info here), I can tell you it's pretty straightforward to revert back again if 15 second stationary satellite locks (and quick ones when on the move) are important to you. Personally I found the general unreliability of the HTC WM 6.1 ROMs, including powersaving related issues, another reason to revert. WM 6.0 may be a little slower but it is very reliable.

Flying Kiwi said:
Personally I found the general unreliability of the HTC WM 6.1 ROMs, including powersaving related issues, another reason to revert. WM 6.0 may be a little slower but it is very reliable.
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EDIT: I just reverted back to 6.0 as well (with the bloatware removed) and, so far, my phone is behaving the way it SHOULD. I've lost the ability to map my PTT button to use Voice Command, so I had to map the front OK button, as the side OK button still works, and I even have Touch Flo loaded up and working fine, too. It is a bit sluggish still, but at least I got 2 of the most annoying things ironed out... I think.

I have had an updated rom ever since I got the phone. I have no complaints. I even used tom tom to take me from Texas the Colorado. (thats like you guys going from france to england or maybe spain)

ChumleyEX said:
I have had an updated rom ever since I got the phone. I have no complaints. I even used tom tom to take me from Texas the Colorado. (thats like you guys going from france to england or maybe spain)
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Is that based on your current ROM, or the AT&T stock 6.1 ROM? I'd love to upgrade to 6.5 or at least 6.1, but my 2-PC sync and backlight problems were huge annoyances to me. I just spent over 2 hours removing all of the duplicate appointments/contacts that the sync problem created.

I used duttys 6.1 rom with tom tom and use 6.5 with google maps all the time.

Is the diamond stable and fast?

Hi,
Sorry to bother you people, but I was wondering if the reviews I am looking at are giving an accurate picture of the diamond?
Most say it is horribly slow with bad GPS detection.

Of course it is as the videos show.. but when you start using it on regular basis and not just using it for 10min you will notice some sluggish times (as with everything). But with some tweaks (check the forums) to the phone and TF3D, it should be responsive and smooth.

I take it the problem is ram? That seems to be the only difference between the diamond and the fuze.
Those are the two phones I'm stuck between. I'm a bit concerned that the fuze is a bit too bulky.

I would rate it very stable,but definitely nothing remotely like fast,comparing it to previously owned pocket pc's,its mainly laggy when multitasking or when interrupting a process it's already doing,and can be very annoying.....I personally won't buy another HTC until they stop using Qualcomm 7 series cpu's....nothing to do with ram IMO,it's the cpu that chokes and different rom's can only do so much.
On the flip side though,it's easily the most stable thing I've owned,and have only had the odd glitch with googlemap's and youtube application's,I only use GPS with googlemaps and it seems pretty good to me.
I don't use tf3d.

well.. i'm coming in from a wizard.
It was just lagging too much with the wm 6.1 rom with touch flo. Am I walking into a similar situation?

I found myself always on the lookout for the fastest ROM, this suggest that I'm not too satisfied with its speed.
While the phone is normally fairly responsive at times it can be very annoying just like gerryjoson said.
This same impression I had with the polaris and topaz of my colleagues, it must really be the CPU in it.
However I would not call it horribly slow and by the way GPS works beautifully.
Its biggest drawback is the battery which lasts 2 days max with low usage, only a few hours if you use wifi or 3g . GPS will suck it empty even faster.