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I know that it might sound like a mindless rant, but hear me out on this one please.
There is a thread in the TyTN I section and there are entries in the wiki which suggest that different series of Herms had different problems. There also seem to be different Kaisers out there that have different hardware and have more or less lag. Unwired4 is trying to link that to the VSBenchmark score, while I hope that it can be linked to the series number.
The serial number seems to be in format of HTnnn??nnnnn XTnn where ?? are letters and n's are numbers. The wiki entry only uses the HTnnn part, and I believe that the XTnn part is probably the country or area or factory or something, but could be useful if included.
As for definitions of what is laggy and not laggy performance, which is hard to define, the following videos will be good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz1J6h4rq1U
Not laggy switching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=recxf0f4twY
Laggy switching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1rzCAmpt9s
Not laggy TomTom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJWAu6IRe4
Laggy TomTom (also not laggy TomTom on a Magician)
If you do not use TomTom, please state that. I am not sure if CoPilot has the same problems or not.
Also, please note that the issue discussed in this thread is not the lack of drivers or slow video playback. And please compare your Kaiser to the ones in videos, as it is crucial that we use some standards of measuring "lag", as it is basically measured by the rule of the thumb to build some statistics and possibly find out which series are affected by the issue. We are not trying to link the "level of happiness" to the serial number like some peopl pointed out in the "gruesome" thread, as it involves too many factors such as expectancies, value, money paid, comparison, and specific usage of the phone. Also, if you had the motherboard replaced and your device performs better now, but still has the old SN, please state the way it performed before the fix.
The SN is written under the battery, and it might also be a good idea not to show the last 5 digits of the main section of it.
I will start with the branding, my own SN, country of origin, date of purchase, presence of lag.
Updates (ordered by series number):
HT735GB
Laggy switching, laggy TomTom - HTC TyTN II (Russia, Dec07)
HT735
Possible laggy switching, non-laggy TomTom - (UK?)
HTC736GB
Laggy switching, laggy TomTom - (Netherlands, Aug07)
HT748GB
Non-laggy switching, non-laggy TomTom - o2 XDA Stellar (UK, Dec 07)
HT802
Possible laggy switching, non-laggy Garmin - o2 XDA Stellar (UK?)
Laggy switching and TomTom
HTC736GB (Netherlands) august '07
I have the switching lag, but TomTom seems to run perfectly.
Full res DivX are great too playing in the latest Coreplayer.
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I have the switching lag, but TomTom seems to run perfectly.
Full res DivX are great too playing in the latest Coreplayer.
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Which series code do you have, Bluchrome?
Yeah, I gotta get myself that latest CorePlayer too.
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I know that it might sound like a mindless rant, but hear me out on this one please.
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Well, the device I have was purchased in early December, but that was in a small city in eastern Russia, so it is most probably from some early series.
I remember your thread about the fact that your Kaiser performs fine when it comes to GUI, and it was probably the first time I realised that there are some series that are just plain slow and the ones that are more or less fast. DO you use TomTom? If you do, does it perform like the Magician, or like the Kaiser in the famous video?
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Figured I would reply to you on your own thread, and keep the topics focused!
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HT748GB (UK, Dec 07)
No lag on either
FWIW, I made a video of my phones performance in responce to yours. Sorry about the poor quality, but you can see the performance difference!
Mine performs more like the Magician and if you watch the thing thorugh, you can see my screen switch rate is substantially faster than yours. Hopefully from that video you can see why until I saw yours I was thinking that people were moaning over nothing and asking the question "How much quicker do you want it?!"
I'm certainly with you in thinking there is something to the build version and the fact that o2 UK held back on launching their Kaiser varient for a couple of months!
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Thanks for the input
And your Stellar really does does work better than my TyTN, so far we can assume that 735 and 736 series are faulty and 748 should be ok
A bit too early to draw conclusions though
I picked up a tytn II (kaiser) today. I charged for about 5 hours. picked up my location with seconds with tomtom. but updating is real slow!
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Thanks for the input
And your Stellar really does does work better than my TyTN, so far we can assume that 735 and 736 series are faulty and 748 should be ok
A bit too early to draw conclusions though
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Up to 1 second to orientate screen.
Tomtom no sign of the lag.
However the above is variable. Regardless of running programs, the screen rotate can vary from virtually instant to 3 seconds.
Tomtom on a rare occassion will appear to completely freeze and then jump. But I think that's likely more to do with dropping a satellite or two. Otherwise I have not had the slow re-draw or laggy behaviour (per the utube videos)
So yes, a bit too early, but worth gathering more data. Perhaps it's not the serial that's the key but qualcomm batch numbers. Then again we are talking dozens of variables here.
Mike
Tomtom on a rare occassion will appear to completely freeze and then jump. But I think that's likely more to do with dropping a satellite or two.
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Its unlikely this is the problem, I had a nokia running tom tom and no such problems. The Kaiser has a very good GPS chipset and Tom tom should cope.
I do think all the HTC plugins and and all the gimmick touch flo stuff is a large part of the problem. It looks like on mike processor usage is very high.
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HT735
Up to 1 second to orientate screen.
Tomtom no sign of the lag.
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Yep, now it seems that even the same devices within a series perform differently.
That is an interesting observation =)
My switching isn't as slow as some videos, but no where near as fast as the one you provided (running stock AT&T rom).
I haven't fully tested GPS Nav yet. I got Destinator on the way (I heard it's a pain to use, but it apparently has the best and most updated maps of Mexico )
But in general video playback, NES and SNES Emulators has its ups and downs. Sometimes running smoother and others running choppy compared to my old PXA255 / 64 RAM ipaq wm5 ppc which still lies around.
HT802
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Up to 1 second to orientate screen.
However the above is variable. Regardless of running programs, the screen rotate can vary from virtually instant to 3 seconds.
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Ditto, although I have Garmin rather than TomTom :s
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HT735
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Mike, I notice you say your on the o2 network. Do you have the Stellar or an unbranded Kaiser?
Maybe you blew the HT735 theory out of the water, but the one about the Stellar being better could still be valid....
I have an O2 XDA Stellar and I've been doing a few quick tests this morning and I've come up with this.
If there are programs running in the background, the portrait-landscape switch takes about a second. Switching back to portrait takes just a bit longer (going back to portrait always seems to take longer)
However, if I close all programs beforehand, the switching from portrait to landscape is practically instant with only a slight delay switching back. It is worth noting at this point that I have the sound disabled for the screen switching.
Tomtom is smooth in both Portrait and landscape modes and a video compressed in MP4 format at 320x240 plays perfectly.
BUT, I have also noticed the intermittent audio lag problem while playing music on it (regardless of player used) and a very definite stutter in either ringtones or text/email alerts. This makes me think that perhaps that when the audio hardware is initializing to playback, it may be hogging the cpu slowing the rest of the device down which could be contributory to some of the issues noted in this forum.
I'm not suggesting that the audio bug is responsible for all of the Tytn II's issues but, in my case, it certainly looks like it's playing a part in it.
Anyone else come across this?
Slow Rendering TomTom
I think it is worth pointing out that TomTom is a lot quicker & smoother if you remove all of the POIs.
I realised this when installing it on a friends symbian phone & wondered why it was so much faster than my "powerful Windows Mobile device". I didn't put the POIs on because the MMC I was working with only had enough room for the Speed Cams.
Now I keep all of my POIs on my MicroSD in a seperate folder close to the map folder so, before I plan a journey, if I need a POI I will just copy the 2 required files into the Map folder before starting up TomTom. The difference is quite massive if you ask me.
Maybe you are already aware of this, and I apologise if this is old news, but it seems people are still having problems with lagging & I don't, so thought this might help. Granted, having all of the POIs on (or as many as it will allow you to use at any one time) is useful if you're in a hurry, but IMO you pay a high price for that convenience in lagging video rendering.
I have tried it without the Speed Cams too & it's even better, but I cant do without those warnings on there, so I can deal with a slight loss in performance for the sake of them.
Give it a go and see what you think. If this was unknown until now, I think you will be pleasantly surprised!
NOW LETS GET THESE VIDEO DRIVERS SORTED!
really really really laggy switching.
Tomtom is somewhere in between the two videos.
Mine's a UK O2 XDA Stellar with stock ROM.
HT743G0 USA AT&T Tilt
Early November 07
mild lag switching, no lag on Tomtom.
The lag is contributed to the ROM you have and how many software you've installed. The original AT&T ROM lags BIG TIME like in this video. I was pissed. Then I flashed the ROM to Alex's clean multimedia. After I flashed the ROM I was so amazed at how fast it switches. It switches the screen just as fast as this video After the flash, I started to install tons of software. So far I've intsalled about 116mb of software into the phone with 36mb free. Now the switching takes about 1-2 seconds each way. I can live with that but not no 3-5 second lag.
As for TomTom (version 6.010 US and Canada map) I dont have the lag. But when it's turning I get tearing once in a while, the same tearing during video playback.
HTC737GB
T-Mobile Vario III
Lags in everything, today, switching, TomTom (You've all seen my video!)
Today it's taking 7 seconds to rotate! :S
OK,
After a week or so with a Diamond things are finally getting turned around enough that I can appreciate it.
Please don't think this post is just one of the usual wailing complaints posts -as stated I 'm beginning to finally like the device - but somewhere there is a line between ranting that the phine is crap and worshipping the thing. I also think we need a post that can list the things that need fixing the most urgently, and any temporary workarounds for newbies (I know they are there but spread over many large posts).
The Diamond is a great phone let down by a few bugs.
However:
My battery life is now acceptable since I used the Advanced Config program (details in other threads) to disable GPRS auto-attach. This made a large diference to my battery life, and seems to be about the best thing you can do to improve the phone!
I've also updated to the wonderful custom Comm Manager to turn off 3G until I need it.
I applied the speed tweaks in the first post of this forum, which certainly helped, but was still getting slow and jerky response form TF3D, so have decided to replace TF3D with SPB Mobile Shell 2 for now, which works really well on the Diamond and is also gesture controlled (there's a free 30 day trial). (BTW, I'd LOVE someone to get the old HTC TouchFlo to work on this device as an alternative).
This is my choice, not a complaint(!), others love TF3D I know...
The built in audio player is quick to access, but way too limited feature-wise for me, so until someone can port across HTC Audiomanager I am using the free trial of Pocket Player. I've added it to my programs. This also has a built in pre-amp so I don't have to use AudioBooster (which causes the lost bass bug). (IMHO, you need some sort of pre-amp as otherwise all players are too quiet - at least for my ears which have been bashed by loud music for too long...)
Unfortunately it still skips/jerks every few songs as do all players on the Diamond - others also report this also - definitely one for HTC to look at...
Every time I use the phone I now quickly flick the volume up and down before turning it off . So far this has preveneted the dreaded lost all sound bug that other users and myself occasionally get (and I don't even use Bluetooth!). I can live with this, but it's happening to lots of users so I suspect HTC are working on it for the next update.
I'm told the memory leak is a Windows 6.1 error rather than HTC's but we will wait and see. A soft reset every morning is the best cure for now.
So, still some issues (and this is not forgiving HTC for them) but there are always problems and bugs for those who go for the first releases of software. However, what I am saying is that the phone is usable, and even enjoyable, until HTC get these issues sorted.
And I really hope some clever bod is busy working away on getting the old TouchFlo and AudioManager/Booster system working for the Diamond! A small step back perhaps, but it worked so fluidly and easily with my large fingers
Just my thoughts. A.
Did you found a way to use Pocket Player with bluetooth A2DP access?
I can't over rule ouchflo/WMP player priority to control Pocket Player from my HDH980 Sony Bluetooth headset, it always starts the integrated WMp-Touch flo player...
or , as you mentionned, you only use corded headset?
good review -points you mentionned by the way !
if you want the old touch flo try this:
http://www.touch-commander.com/
Unfortunately it still skips/jerks every few songs as do all players on the Diamond - others also report this also - definitely one for HTC to look at...
Every time I use the phone I now quickly flick the volume up and down before turning it off . So far this has preveneted the dreaded lost all sound bug that other users and myself occasionally get (and I don't even use Bluetooth!). I can live with this, but it's happening to lots of users so I suspect HTC are working on it for the next update.
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it what's in the package is not good enough (and most of the time is not) use program that are made special for yr scope.
i experienced perfect a2dp audition using corepalyer...p e r f e c t! no skipping, sophisticated equalizer, all the 9 yards i highly recommend it!
Nice post. Let's hear some more configs that make the diamond useful. EVERY htc in the past has started off as a piece of crap, and has grown to be awesome (with a few notable exceptions like the jasjam which was always a dog). I've always been SA' earliest adopter (usually buy the first or second unit in country) and as a result, face more frustratuion that later adopters, but still swear by them. Inevitably the solution lies in constructive posts like the one above.
craigiecraigie4 said:
Nice post. Let's hear some more configs that make the diamond useful. EVERY htc in the past has started off as a piece of crap, and has grown to be awesome (with a few notable exceptions like the jasjam which was always a dog). I've always been SA' earliest adopter (usually buy the first or second unit in country) and as a result, face more frustratuion that later adopters, but still swear by them. Inevitably the solution lies in constructive posts like the one above.
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I should have written the above myself.
For sure it is more challenging and rewarding to be part of the trend setters and making these crappy devices working the way they should do.
I am as much looking forward to have a Diamond which will increase its performance like my TytnII did (which now is faster in general than the Diamond)
Looking forward to contribute where I can
KukurikU said:
it what's in the package is not good enough (and most of the time is not) use program that are made special for yr scope.
i experienced perfect a2dp audition using corepalyer...p e r f e c t! no skipping, sophisticated equalizer, all the 9 yards i highly recommend it!
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It IS a much better audio player - the preamp feature is awesome, and music sounds heaps better than the built in player - BUT I've already heard a skip...
salada2k said:
It IS a much better audio player - the preamp feature is awesome, and music sounds heaps better than the built in player - BUT I've already heard a skip...
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s**t happen
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s**t happen
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Good observation
How to replace TF3D with Spb Mobile Shell?
It's incredible to notice that a 500 Euro phone it's sold with:
-Lag in the TF3D
-Lag in the music player
-Lag in the GPS
-Lag in phone calls
It's incredible that HTC has not fixed yet these problems!!!After months!!!
I am very disappointed and feel very angry,but it looks that all I can do is sell it.
It's not acceptable that there is nothing working perfectly with the phone:UI?no,it's slow,GPS?No it's laggy,phone?No,has problems,mp3 player?No,lags randomly.
htcenrico said:
It's incredible to notice that a 500 Euro phone it's sold with:
-Lag in the TF3D
-Lag in the music player
-Lag in the GPS
-Lag in phone calls
It's incredible that HTC has not fixed yet these problems!!!After months!!!
I am very disappointed and feel very angry,but it looks that all I can do is sell it.
It's not acceptable that there is nothing working perfectly with the phone:UI?no,it's slow,GPS?No it's laggy,phone?No,has problems,mp3 player?No,lags randomly.
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have you updated the rom yet??????????????
So, read up and fix it. Update your ROM from the HTC E-club, or use a cooked ROM.
A PPC is not just a mobile phone.
Its working perfectly at collecting my greasy fingerprints. I've never seen any phone do it with such speed and effiency.
So at least something is working perfectly.
Some problems are fixed, but it is true that there are still other bugs that has neither a phone 20€ and that could be solved very easily (As to block the screen when we have a call...)
htcenrico said:
It's incredible to notice that a 500 Euro phone it's sold with:
-Lag in the TF3D
-Lag in the music player
-Lag in the GPS
-Lag in phone calls
It's incredible that HTC has not fixed yet these problems!!!After months!!!
I am very disappointed and feel very angry,but it looks that all I can do is sell it.
It's not acceptable that there is nothing working perfectly with the phone:UI?no,it's slow,GPS?No it's laggy,phone?No,has problems,mp3 player?No,lags randomly.
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It is annoying how some people join this forum just to rant.
If you have problems with TF3D, make sure you use the latest ROM 1.93 or a cooked ROM. Increase the screen sensitivity (registry hack). Or turn off TF3D like I have done, and install SPB Mobile Shell. I use Mobile Shell not because TF3D lags, but because I don't find it very practical.
The Touch Diamond is a PDA, not just a phone. If you don't like the inbuilt music player, install another one.
I dont experience any lag with my GPS using TomTom or Google Maps.
Another tip is to adjust the settings in Task Manager so that applications close when you press 'X' rather than the default minimise. Any PPC can lag if it runs out of RAM.
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It is annoying how some people join this forum just to rant.
If you have problems with TF3D, make sure you use the latest ROM 1.93 or a cooked ROM. Increase the screen sensitivity (registry hack). Or turn off TF3D like I have done, and install SPB Mobile Shell. I use Mobile Shell not because TF3D lags, but because I don't find it very practical.
The Touch Diamond is a PDA, not just a phone. If you don't like the inbuilt music player, install another one.
I dont experience any lag with my GPS using TomTom or Google Maps.
Another tip is to adjust the settings in Task Manager so that applications close when you press 'X' rather than the default minimise. Any PPC can lag if it runs out of RAM.
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Hei!I didn't offend anybody so don't you please!
Anyway, I expect the solution from HTC because they are responsible of the money I spent.
The Touch Diamond is a PDA,thanks for your explanation.So GPS and music are function of a PDA,and they simply don't work perfectly.Before posting please read the threads about GPS lag and music lag it is not something related to the software we install is so much more complicated.
If someone is not affected by this bugs,this doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
htcenrico said:
It's incredible to notice that a 500 Euro phone it's sold with:
-Lag in the TF3D
-Lag in the music player
-Lag in the GPS
-Lag in phone calls
It's incredible that HTC has not fixed yet these problems!!!After months!!!
I am very disappointed and feel very angry,but it looks that all I can do is sell it.
It's not acceptable that there is nothing working perfectly with the phone:UI?no,it's slow,GPS?No it's laggy,phone?No,has problems,mp3 player?No,lags randomly.
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thank you for letting us know. it was very important.
what's the drama? go sell it or start reading, learning and applying. make it better! whining is not going to help you!
my phone is running great
i have no problems now with this phone
its a good phone.....you just need to make it beter...its not hard to do
good afternoon KukurikU
Sell it and buy an iPhone
liamhere said:
i have no problems now with this phone
its a good phone.....you just need to make it beter...its not hard to do
good afternoon KukurikU
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So when you buy a car,you repair it by yourself...even if it's in guarantee period.
Risking to make the whole thing worse.
I respect your point of view.
But mine it's a question of principle,and responsability.
Not everybody has the time to (try to) repair the job that is supposed to be I don't say perfect but almost perfect.
I am not talking of minor bugs,but of the core of the PDA,the GPS!The player!The TF3D!What else i am buying it for?If it was only a phone I would buy a 30 Euro one.
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So when you buy a car,you repair it by yourself...even if it's in guarantee period.
Risking to make the whole thing worse.
I respect your point of view.
But mine it's a question of principle,and responsability.
Not everybody has the time to (try to) repair the job that is supposed to be I don't say perfect but almost perfect.
I am not talking of minor bugs,but of the core of the PDA,the GPS!The player!The TF3D!What else i am buying it for?If it was only a phone I would buy a 30 Euro one.
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Mybe HTC are not for you.
all HTC telephone needing to be "Tuned" and "tweaked" to make it work better and to unlock some "hiddens" features.ALL HTCs.
I already know that for all new htc products i could buy i must tweak and optimize to use it well.
If you post here maybe you know what i say.
1)With latest ROMS TF3D's lag its absent (or at least almost gone.surely much much faster than a nokia n73)
2)My GPS Dont Lag so i dont know.
3)my mp3 plays perfectly so i cant comprehned what are you saying.
Maybe its your fault.
Sell It and buy a 30 euro phone or an Iphone. Or Maybe an Samsung OMNIA.
Funny , why are you here if you dont want to mod your phone. Its a buyers world dude just send it back and get a box standard phone .
I would not suggest the iphone for you either as its riddled with bugs at the moment
After updated and tweaking my TD, I love it, best phone I've had. Granted it could do with a few things fixing on it but it is awesome. I don't see it as just a phone anymore, it's just so much more
I agree that HTC phones are toys need to be tuned but other phones arent perfect and you havent such a support as here in XDA-dev...
but I agree with you in one think phone for 500$ should play MP3s perfectly but many users already announced annoying lag or skip during playback and nobody figured it out yet...
Lag in TF3D? The Two ROM updates didn't fix it for you like it did for everyone else then?
Lag in MP3? check your bit rates. HTC devices have never really liked VBR files or bit rates over 128kbps. try a lower bit rate and see if this fixes it.
Lag in GPS? so far i can only find a very few people who have this issue compared to the thousands that have been sold, which leads me to believe that it is a software issue. ROM's, tweaks applied etc. can't say i have had this on either the diamond or the Touch Pro. this one needs more looking into, which is exactly what the guys here are trying to do, cos HTC can't re-create it yet.
Oh, and there's a name for people that turn up just to complain.....but i won't repeat it here in polite society.
what are you talking about??? VBR maybe but normal MP3 with constant bitrate less then 128kbps??? are you crazy did you hear something less then 128kbps bull..it...it has 528MHz processor so dont try to excuse HTC ignorants its not about bitrate or power of unit...like I wrote elsewhere on Kaiser with 400MHz processor everything was just fine so try another excuse or lie...
BTW doesnt mather VBR or constant bitrate
My Artemis, Athena, and Hermes didn't like VBR files. Not unless i installed coreplayer/TCPMP. So no I'm not crazy, a liar or HTC apologist. I'm a guy who's owned loads of these things and am trying to help.
96kbps is plenty good enough for listening to on the commute to work in the morning. lets face it, it's the same quality as on most FM radio stations and people have been listening to those for years! That's why i suggested it. it's not ideal, but maybe it will help until someone can fix the problem properly.
oh, and there's a name for people like you too......
I still get lag on MP3s even at 96kbps.
I agree that most other issues are now fixed (mainly by forum members) but the sound problem is still there (I have tried numerous ROMs up to SwiftBlades #6).
I have also owned HTC devices for along time, my previous Orbit & Orbit 2 (Touch Cruise) + Prophet all played high bitrate VBR files with no problem using numerous players. WM is generally very good at this sort of thing.
I've only ever had this problem with the Diamond, which otherwise I continue to like.
As stated in previous posts, I'm not in either the "blind adoration" or the "ranting hate" camps, but I do sympathise with those people who, like me, use it as their primary MP3 player.
If only HTC would at least tell us that they acknowledge the problem and are working on it...
but 96kbps isnt enough quality for me my diamond and in-ear headphones with great sound...as well as FM radio but which I can excuse because of many conditions like enviroment and quality of signal...
I agree that VBR can be problem also for some standalone MP3 players...
so sorry for my boom of words but it looks like youre holding brief for HTC because diamond costs so much and you re trying to be satisfied... but you have to agree with me that this MP3 playing situation is inexcusable for 500$ multimedia device...maybe its time to do something with it because new ROM is so far away I think...
How long have you had your Diamond for and do you wish you had opted for something else? I'm just trying to gauge opinions of people who have owned the phone for a few months. Thanks.
I've owned mine for just 3 days so I'm still getting used to it....I think it's a terrible 'out of the box' product but it seems to improve with various add-ons. So far I've downloaded Diamond Tweak and IContacts.
My latest problem with it is that I'm encountering the notorious TomTom 'no maps found' error (Grrrr....this was never an issue on my old HTC device)
The Diamond is my first HTC or WinMo phone, I've owned it for 7 months and I don't regret it.
It's pretty slow at doing things and the battery life if terrible if you actually use the device, rather than leaving it in suspend mode with 3G coverage switched off. However, charge it at least once daily and it's livable with.
TF3D is crap too, get rid of that and it gets much better!
I have just sold my Diamond. I used it for about 6 months and could never get used to it's very slow speeds. Especially out of the box it was a huge dissapointment, although with a custom rom things did improve.
But still, the thing is just too slow in my opinion. Probably all due to the lovely Qualcomm chipset that's inside it. When you look at the specs (memory, mhz etc) it should fly, be awesome. But it just isn't.
I always compare to my old mda compact (qtek s100). When I used to run TomTom on that one it was smooth with good fps. Even on a device like the Diamond, years later, it runs like crap. And that is a bit dissapointing ofcourse.
Don't get me wrong, you get a lot in return. Nicer UI, VGA screen, much better touchscreen and a much much better looking phone. But in the speed department all of my HTC phones have been dissapointing.
(Yet still I buy them, they are too much fun. qtek s100, qtek s200, htc touch, touch cruise, diamond).
But for now, HTC will have to do without me .
I love my Fuze, I hate my Fuze
This article sums my feelings up very well:
http://www.mytodayscreen.com/i-hate-my-fuze-i-love-my-fuze/
I've never had so much fun hacking a device before, but at one and the same time I resent having to hack it into a proper phone in the first place.
I'm not getting rid of my Fuze any time soon, but with anyone shopping for a new phone I steer them away from it. I'm completely up front with them, and admit to them I've spent dozens of hours scouring message boards and web sites for hacks to get the phone to behave in a way in which I'm happy with.
Users should not have to hack a registry to change ANY of the settings I've wanted to tweak!!!
That felt good to get off my chest.
I love my Diamond and the small sleek form factor more htan the Toch HD I had for a week or so.
I do not go anywhere without my trusty diamond in my pocket, I have tried so many other phones/PDA's and this is the best, the smallest for what it can do.
Its also perfect for a walking GPS device with memory map.
Its a running GPS log, my music device, organiser, camera for meetings and quick memories, reading book, comic book, games, even acts as a spirit level, does practically everything I need, oh yes and its a phone too.
Choose the right ROM and the thing is so quick and responsive.
TF3D is brilliant, I am so used to it now I can't get on with anything else.
Simple answer no it just keeps getting better and better.
I regret not!
But it seems like software is always ahead of the hardware. Before I had my branded Diamond I had the GloFiish X500+, so in comparison to that I'm very happy with my MDAIV.
But WinMo does helps to keep me using PPC's, it's a great platform to work with.
no!
and a comparative with old devices is like ... ach no need any words.
dont forgett, the devices are all at first a phone. all other functions wasnt the premiere function. something was good something cant be good.
i.e. old device open a webside with more speed than a new device.
but how you go to internet? by cable or by gms ($).
and if you are finished with scrolling left-to-right and back you have to scroll up and down. the new device uses wlan to go internet or umts and your scroll-action is minimizing by overview the complete internet-side.
but asking other people for feeling if buy or not buy ... hmmm, be carefull, that are only feelings and oppinnions.
i can say, that all devices (htc, nokia, apple) have good and not-good thinks. my buddy have apple. with standars he have no problems, after installation some progs the apple will be slowly and he do resets his devicxe many time like me. YOUR GUT FEELING IS NEEDED!!!
No regrets at all. Like stated above with the right custom rom, tweaks and apps this is everything I need in a phone/ppc.
And whats fun about getting a phone right out of the box that does everything you want? Heck, modding it to your likings is most the fun.
after 2 years of using WinMob my diamond is the first one that people is asking "What is this?". I mean that has the greatest software (WinMob) and the best design.
What do you want more?
Hate it, but use it!
I have had a Diamond for about 6 months now, and only use it because of the size.
I prefer my TyTN II but it is just too bulky
I hate a touch screen keyboard and prefer the slide out of the TyTN II.
I also find the Diamond's volume very soft as compared to the TyTN II
But in any case this will be my last M$ Windows based device, until M$ issues a decent OS.
PS: The motherboard has already been replaced.
i just love my Diamond....
Hi !
I bot love and hate it equally... After six happy months, new ROMs etc... I am forced to send it back, since from the start, when I stay in H or 3G (I am 30 meters away from a big antenna), I don't get any call... One bar of H or 3G in my home... The phone displays bars, one or two, but is totally disconnected from network, and I miss ALL my phonecalls. Sometimes, two days after, I get messages notifications: twenty voicemails, 50 SMS... all sent two days ago but not received by the phone...
If you have any suggestion... I have tried everything, but I'm forced to leave it on "G" only (GSM/GPRS) which is a serious drawback as I'm always using it to surf the web, mail, TV on phone etc... with my all inclusive plan (French network SFR).
When I go to downtown (one km from my home, so I am downtown!) I have none of the issues stated above.
This phone is probably the worst receiver in the history of mobile phones... All y previous phones gave me five constant bars of H or 3G, this one only one or less... All my friends with cheaper devices have five bars in my place...
I really love my Diamond. Being my first WinMo phone I have to say sites like this here really help improve the phone. Coming from the iPhone I miss the multi-touch and easy surfing on Safari (but I found that Iris is an awesome browser.)
I love the size of my phone, that is what I did not like about the iPhone (too big for me)
In case you are wondering I have had it since it first launched in Canada (Dec 4, 2008)
i wont say that i regret buying my diamond but i am for sure going to buy the new touch pro2 as soon as it comes to denmark. the diamond is good but it aint the best... ive always have a lot of problem with the speed of the diamiond jsut like everyone else but after getting rid of tf3d it has improved a bit. but all in all im not disappointed with the phone.
Cornwall are you sure its because of the device? i dont know anyone who ever had that problem. it might not be the phone but the provider of the net. if that isnt the problem i sure would go to the place i bought the phone and demand to get a new one cause it might be that single phone that is screwed up.
I like the Diamond especially for its size. I have a clip-on pouch that is designed especially for Diamond. I don't like the ROM that came with my operator Telstra but I have since then upgraded to CT6.4 HD Lite ROM. It is fast, lite and stable and good battery. I also like the onscreen keyboard where I can hold the key and it types numbers instead of letters. Very handy.
One feature I wish it had was the TV-OUT capability, like that in Touch Pro.
Anyway, for the keyboardless phone, Diamond is the best for me so far. For phone with keyboard, I think Touch Pro 2 is the one to beat.
My Diamond is now 8 months old and the more I use it, the more I love it. But, I surely have plans to upgrade to TOUCH HD. Reason? I want a bigger screen to actually use those pixels. Cramming VGA display into a 2.8" does not bring any huge practical advantage as only Opera Mobile uses those pixels effectively.
Touch Diamond-2 has bigger screen, but it is 3.2" and crams WVGA resolution. Scene won't change much for me. I do not want a hardware keyboard and that rules out TP-2
I've just bought a Nokia E51 to replace my Diamond. The Diamond was my second HTC phone, the Touch was my first. I thought that the diamond would be a massive step up and for the first six months it was. The screen is much better, the touch sensitivity was better and it was loads quicker. However, once the honeymoon period is over the overall usability of the phone starts to show and for me it wasn't good.
The main negative is the battery life. You have to consciously manage the Diamond to make the battery last. Why cant I just put it in my pocket and have one less worry on life! After normal usage I could unplug the Diamond from the wall charger at 07:30 and by 18:00 it was showing critical battery level warnings. By comparison, with the same usage I unplugged my Nokia E51 over 24 hours ago and the battery is still almost full. One less worry!
Travelling abroad quite a lot I use Skype often, with the diamond I had to ensure I carried my handsfree kit with me so I could make a private call and not through the speaker phone. On top of that I had to keep pressing a button on the phone to stop it going into standby so the wifi doesn't go to sleep - A pain in the ass at best. With the E51 I can access the same wifi hotspot, load up fring and instantly use skype (or MSN) to phone home with the luxury of holding the handset to my ear - what a novelty! also knowing that the battery can cope.
Another big thing was the bluetooth integration to my car stereo. I have a Kenwood stereo and granted I could get into my car and turn the stereo on and that was it, I was connected to the handsfree. However it took 3 minutes or so do download the address book and when I finished a call it would disconnect forcing me to turn off the stereo and turn it back on again to initiate a handshake. The E51 establishes automatically, downloads the phone book in about 15 seconds and never disconnects, pretty much everything you would expect (oh, also it connects the audio automatically so I can play music from the phone through the car with no further faffing about)!
I've come to realise that the Diamond and Windows Mobile is a complete pain in the ass taking up far to much of my time to do things that should just happen. I cant believe how good the nokia E51 is in comparison. It does everything better according to my usual usage of a mobile phone.
It's going to be a few years before I go back to windows mobile, probably after WM 7 has been well established. Untill then I've got my Diamond in a draw as my spare phone.
I have owned my Diamond since June 2008.
The greatest thing about it is it's small size. I like my phones small, and would never consider a phone with a 3.5 inch screen.
I leave the Diamond in 2G mode, and only switch to 3G when I want to use data. My battery life easily lasts more than one day - usually 2 days, although I tend to recharge it every day anyway, so that I don't have to worry about the battery life.
I still use the stock ROM. Best thing you can do, is disable TouchFlo 3D and install the finger friendly SPB Mobile Shell. It is just so much faster, and above all, so much more practical to use, than TouchFlo 3D. I have introduced 3 colleagues with Diamonds to Mobile Shell, and each have promptly switched to Mobile Shell and haven't looked back.
No regrets about getting the Diamond. It was (and still is) really special when it first came out. Now however, I would recommend waiting for the Diamond 2 rather than the Diamond. The microSD card slot will come in handy. It is slightly larger than the Diamond, but not too big, with a bigger screen.
WOW, Before I start please don't flame me for maybe some stupid questions !!!
Having used my artemis for well over 2 yrs now , i've flashed, put apps on it , re-installed various ROM's & got it working to my likening.
Now I treated myself to the Diamond which I think is currently one of the best on the market as it stands,
Well here we go, WM6.5 - Does the Diamond take the OS safely ?? Like the format, but don't want to get rid of TouchFLO 3D coz it rocks !!
Is it a different app i need for customization of themes instead of Manilla 2D ??
Can i use the same IGO8 & TOM TOM that i've got or is that for QVGA only (basically will it work on the Diamond VGA ? )
Oh ! and anymore help would be appreciated
Many Thanks, D
Hey, I also just changed from the artemis after 2 years to the diamond. I've installed tomtom 6 onto the diamond which worked perfect on the artemis. I haven't been outside yet to see if it works, I guess it will. But even with no signal, there's usually a row of grey circles in the waiting for gps signal screen on the artemis, and mine is blank on the diamond. Tomtom7 might be better, dunno yet. Igo8 was slow as **** on the artemis, too memory intensive especially with those 3D maps so I binned it. Might be better on the diamond. Diamond has some great features, but you will probably, like me, be disappointed with a few things, such as:
Volume not as loud as artemis, particularly important when driving on noisy motorways and you want to hear the sat nav voice louder. There's a tweak on this forum for volume.
On/off button on top, much nicer on artemis on right side.
Soft reset button trickier to press as it's located inside the stylus housing. On artemis, as you know, it's on the left side.
Light goes off during phone calls after 4 seconds.
Using the stylus on the diamond screen is harder work than the artemis, you have to press more.The artemis is much better for that.
Gets very warm at the bottom of the device, artemis didn't.
Less physical buttons of course than the artemis, and the settings/buttons assignment tab is practically non existent, you'll need to get a 3rd party app.
No camera button like the one on the right side of the artemis.
Battery indicator shows blocks and no % numbers, no big deal I suppose.
Touch flow 3D is nice but makes things fiddly and a bit confusing till you get used to it. Sometimes I turn it off to get the same UI as the artemis, it makes getting around the device easier and looks less cluttered.
Screen is fractionally smaller I think.
Mr Roman5, do you think the Diamond is not as good as the artemis on spec alone maybe, or is it gonna take a bit of time to get used to the software ??
Cheers, D
Before i flash, any recommendations coz every ROM I've looked at looks TOP DOLLAR !!!
The diamond is better spec for sure, faster processor, better camera (3.2mp instead of 2.0) wifi, 3G, touch screen, etc. It's just that I miss certain features of the artemis that allowed me to go between applications incredibly easily. However, I definitely recommend the diamond. I've been adding tweaks that I found on here and that has improved things a lot already. It's definitely quite a fun phone.
Roman5 said:
The diamond is better spec for sure, faster processor, better camera (3.2mp instead of 2.0) wifi, 3G, touch screen, etc. It's just that I miss certain features of the artemis that allowed me to go between applications incredibly easily. However, I definitely recommend the diamond. I've been adding tweaks that I found on here and that has improved things a lot already. It's definitely quite a fun phone.
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Don't want to annoy you or bug you, but what about some of the questions i was asking earlier, WM6.5, Custimations, ETC, Sorry D.
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Don't want to annoy you or bug you, but what about some of the questions i was asking earlier, WM6.5, Custimations, ETC, Sorry D.
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Oh, not annoying me at all, I've been asking loads of questions myself as the diamond is a brand new toy for me.
I'm afraid I don't have the faintest clue about your other questions, but I reckon someone here will probably say that WM6.5 will work ok so you might be in luck. As far as themes, I don't know that either, and I would love to have one particular theme myself if someone knows. The blue one that the artemis has. That's the windows default one on artemis I think, and the one I've always used on that phone. Currently I've got guava bubbles theme on the diamond and without the TF3D on, the whole screen goes a really vibrant and warm sort of flameburst orange and red colour.
Roman5 said:
Oh, not annoying me at all, I've been asking loads of questions myself as the diamond is a brand new toy for me.
I'm afraid I don't have the faintest clue about your other questions, but I reckon someone here will probably say that WM6.5 will work ok so you might be in luck. As far as themes, I don't know that either, and I would love to have one particular theme myself if someone knows. The blue one that the artemis has. That's the windows default one on artemis I think, and the one I've always used on that phone. Currently I've got guava bubbles theme on the diamond and without the TF3D on, the whole screen goes a really vibrant and warm sort of flameburst orange and red colour.
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Getting there slowly but surely, themes as in TF3D, i used the customization on the artemis but reading the forum there is one i might need to use for the Diamond, but surely i'll get there with some of the great members of this thread, Heh Heh
Hey, I mentioned the gps and tomtom. Well, it's way better than the artemis for a fix. I've just been outside and got a fix for both copilot and tomtom6 in a matter of seconds. That's in my car, in the phone holder, WITH the silicon case over it. Even after switching off the phone for a few minutes and rebooting, it got an instant fix. I'll test it further by leaving the phone off for an hour and see how fast it is then. But, at least it works!
EDIT: retested by switching phone back from cold 45 minutes later. Yes, instant gps fix, woohoo! Compared to 2 minutes or sometimes more on the artemis, this has to be the single best thing about the diamond. I hope it continues to find a fix quickly in different areas.