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Opera Mini vs Opera Beta

for those of you who have tried the new Opera 9.33 beta or the Opera 9.5, do you think its better then the Opera Mini?
For those of you who haven't tried it the link is right here
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368811
and I got a questions about this aswell. i want to install the Opera beta on my phone and i'm currently running Open Touch v3.0 Slimeline, is there a way were i can replace the Opera Mini so i wont have to Opera's on my phone and have it take up even more space?
thanks in advance

I installed the beta but didn't rly like it so i stayed with Mini, i'm running slimline as well
as for deleting the mini it barely takes any space, plus its build in the rom so i dont know if its deletable

aad4321 said:
yeah, the regular opera sucks!!! i had it before. opera mini like downloads the webpage through operas servers or something, while the standard opera is a standalone which is just as slow as IE. only advantage is that it dosent have to run in java.
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The new version is nothing like the 8.XX version. It's supposed to be a billion times better. I haven't tried it, yet, though.

the official new yes i'm sure i'd love it, but for some reason this early beta release is annoying me rly bad

The UI is very nice... you can just read the thread to see the opinions if you really want some more depth. It's a tad sluggish and kinda buggy, but I can't wait to see what the release version will look like--it looks pretty amazing right now.
The icons are pretty huge, I have a feeling that will get changed, though, because it seems like a lot of people don't like that...

aad4321 said:
does it work like opera mini tho? like use operas server to download the web pages as one big "picture"?
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[Quoting EyeAmRubber]
No it doesn't.
Opera Mobile is a full browser which doesn't use or require a transcoder/proxy.

I would use both, but be aware that it's a beta.
Try the the new Opera Mobile to figure it yourself.
I'll recommend to make a backup of your device before, as you should always if you test beta software
The bad thing is that the Beta installs itself directly into the \Windows folder and wastes like 9MB.

GAMBIT999 said:
The bad thing is that the Beta installs itself directly into the \Windows folder and wastes like 9MB.
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Wow... that's a big chunk of space... maybe if it was something freeware and cookable (at least legally cookable...) we could replace pocket IE with it...

I installed it last night on my spare wing and didn't care too much for this alpha release. Why?
1) text sections dont fit to screen like Opera Mini, so scrolling is involved
2) very buggy right now, especially the UI components and menus
3) felt sluggish compared to Opera Mini
4) no flash support
5) too friggin fat! as stated its about 9 megs installed
6)The version I dl'd didn't have an uninstall option. I manually deleted all the Opera9 folders and .exe to regain space.
I do have to say I like where they're going with this browser, scrolling is very fast and smooth. I for one will be waiting for this to hit beta and hope all the minor annoyances are cleared up. Unfortunately I don't see it being the iPhone safari killer people are touting it as unless somehow flash works it's way in, and I can finally have my Pandora on the road =)

aad4321 said:
even if u ask to install on the storage card it will still put 9mb on the phone?
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yes it does, the installation routine will force it

There is a modified version of this leaked release which is for QVGA devices and installs to the storage card and has an uninstaller.

GiZZy said:
I installed the beta but didn't rly like it so i stayed with Mini, i'm running slimline as well
as for deleting the mini it barely takes any space, plus its build in the rom so i dont know if its deletable
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Yes you can delete the browser if you want.
Go to Programs>Esmertec jbeb
press on opera then click menu and uninstall

GAMBIT999 said:
Yes, the new Opera Mobile loads the Web through the Opera proxy servers to enhance it for mobile devices, just like Opera Mini does.
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No it doesn't.
Please stop spreading this myth.
Opera Mobile is a full browser which doesn't use or require a transcoder/proxy.

EyeAmRubber said:
No it doesn't.
Please stop spreading this myth.
Opera Mobile is a full browser which doesn't use or require a transcoder/proxy.
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Thanks for the heads-up. Taking my statement back

There is a modified version of this leaked release which is for QVGA devices and installs to the storage card and has an uninstaller.
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I gave this version a shot and really like it. Zooming in and out works really well, scrolling is very smooth, it automatically goes to full screen and hides menus during/after loading a page(except on arrow in the corner to bring it back up). User interface is excellent in my opinion. Only complaint I have for it is that text sections don't fit to screen like Opera Mini.

Opera 9.5 Build 1126 (New Build) 05-27-2008

Edit: Here is the latest build of Opera 9.5!!!
05/27/08
http://rapidshare.com/files/118164578/Opera9.5Build1126UninstallableWM5CompatibleQVGA.rar
05/21/08
There is another piece of SW that was recently ripped from the Diamond rom. It is another newer bets build of The upcoming 9.5 Opera browser. As such it was VGA. A few moddifications have been made for QVGA graphics.
Wanna give it a try? Here ya' go.
Opera 9.5 Build 781 Beta: http://rapidshare.com/files/116621545/Opera_9.5__Build_781__Diamond__Uninstallable__QVGA.cab
EDIT: This VGA version has been moddified from the original version as follows:
1. Cab fixed to allow for uninstallation.
2. Skin used is QVGA Version from PPCGeeks 9.5 build 405 Uninstall proper (sorry mate forgot your name)
Help a developer out. Report bugs & solutions here.

thanks my opera just expired earlier today.

GSLEON3 said:
There is another piece of SW that was recently ripped from the Diamond rom. It is another newer bets build of The upcoming 9.5 Opera browser. As such it was VGA. A few moddifications have been made for QVGA graphics.
Wanna give it a try? Here ya' go.
Opera 9.5 Build 781 Beta: http://rapidshare.com/files/116621545/Opera_9.5__Build_781__Diamond__Uninstallable__QVGA.cab
Help a developer out. Report bugs & solutions here.
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Thanks leon, best thing i have received today..(aside from my paycheck) lol

Is the beta uninstallable?

bennyj71 said:
Is the beta uninstallable?
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Sorry bud, edited first post. Yes, can be uninstalled.

GSLEON3 said:
There is another piece of SW that was recently ripped from the Diamond rom. It is another newer bets build of The upcoming 9.5 Opera browser. As such it was VGA. A few moddifications have been made for QVGA graphics.
Wanna give it a try? Here ya' go.
Opera 9.5 Build 781 Beta: http://rapidshare.com/files/116621545/Opera_9.5__Build_781__Diamond__Uninstallable__QVGA.cab
EDIT: This VGA version has been moddified from the original version as follows:
1. Cab fixed to allow for uninstallation.
2. Skin used is QVGA Version from PPCGeeks 9.5 build 405 Uninstall proper (sorry mate forgot your name)
Help a developer out. Report bugs & solutions here.
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Leon i was wondering, did you extracted this yourself? i just thought if you did, do you think is possible to extract tom tom 7 too? (just a shot in the dark).. or the roms available dont have it?
thanks in advance...

NFRCER said:
Leon i was wondering, did you extracted this yourself? i just thought if you did, do you think is possible to extract tom tom 7 too? (just a shot in the dark).. or the roms available dont have it?
thanks in advance...
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The first one I got did not have it. I just came upon two more Diamond ROMs though, but I'll have to say that to extract & fix a program like tomtom would take time I do not have. Remember, this is a VGA device we're talking about, & to rebuild a tomtom cab would entail not only a lot of library changes, but a registry rebuild too. When I have time I'll see if it's in either of the two new ones I've found, but don't hold you breath.

I will not work for me on my AT&T WM6 Kaiser. Is there any way to get it to work, beacause I'm really curious about this browser? Thanks

GSLEON3 said:
The first one I got did not have it. I just came upon two more Diamond ROMs though, but I'll have to say that to extract & fix a program like tomtom would take time I do not have. Remember, this is a VGA device we're talking about, & to rebuild a tomtom cab would entail not only a lot of library changes, but a registry rebuild too. When I have time I'll see if it's in either of the two new ones I've found, but don't hold you breath.
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Thanks once again for your speedy answer. no problem then.
on a side note, the browser is very very fast, the word wrap does indeed works and so far it has been good. thanks for extracting it too!!

hollywould said:
I will not work for me on my AT&T WM6 Kaiser. Is there any way to get it to work, beacause I'm really curious about this browser? Thanks
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2nded..... White screen and menus... no reaction at all to websites on edge, 3G, or wifi.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393701&highlight=opera works fine on my Tilt... maybe try the WM5 version if you have trouble.

I've tried them all, none of them worked, same thing with build 405. Is there anything I can do?

Holly crap guys, Sorry I didn't test this first!! Really sorry!!!
Man this version is sloppy & has some skin/color issues due to the ini settings.
I'll clean it up today & posted a much better version. :Ashamed

Well, the version from PPCGeeks works for me. A lot of promise -- much better than the previous build I used (the one from Laurentis prior ROMs). Still slow, memory and CPU hungry, and has really big problems with input (especially fields). Going back to Opera mini 4.1. The best so far despite all the shortcomings of being a java app on a WM device.

anyone else having issues witht hey Diamond kayboard not working with 9.5?
it simply wont type onto any of the browser fields ie. seach boxes or loggon boxes.
any ideas?

I know in my previous version I could get flash to work, but in this version I cannot get any flash to work. Opera does not even recognize that I have flash.

GSLEON3 said:
Holly crap guys, Sorry I didn't test this first!! Really sorry!!!
Man this version is sloppy & has some skin/color issues due to the ini settings.
I'll clean it up today & posted a much better version. :Ashamed
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i've realized that it does have some skin/color issues as well. Not only that but its a little slower in loading pages and almost locks up when u try to exit.
But the adaptive text has been improved. still not sure whether i should i go back to the previous build or not.

GSLEON3 said:
Holly crap guys, Sorry I didn't test this first!! Really sorry!!!
Man this version is sloppy & has some skin/color issues due to the ini settings.
I'll clean it up today & posted a much better version. :Ashamed
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as of now i had some minor issues like the history not showing up, but if scroll the wheel it selects it. but other than that this version has been incredible. sometimes when zooming in i prezz the zoom button once, but this build rocks.
no need to be ashamed

Thanks for this new build, any chance you could also post the VGA version, would like to try on my Universal, thanks.

Found VGA version on ppcgeeks !
Installed your QVGA Version on the Kaiser but the settings page is TINY, is it a problem with my ROM maybe ?

Which Opera version?

There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?

SaltyDawg said:
There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?
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I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.

TelloMan said:
I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.
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Where can I get it? What is the build number?

Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen. I think the real reason I stopped using it was there was some kind of text reflow issue when you zoomed it though. It has no widgets, although it installs a shortcut to the non-existent widgets, so you need to delete it.
However, I currently use NFSFan's build 15316, which I like due to its 10 tab support and speed. However, as a trade off, it suffers from the screen flipping problem if you minimize it or touch the taskbar while using it. And I definitely agree with TelloMan about the widgets, they just waste space and annoy me. Try to keep looking around XDA, especially in Development and Hacking (where I found many opera builds).
Dave

Yeah, NSFan's 15316 is the one I'm using now. The screen flipping is driving me crazy.
It's hard to believe there isn't one decent browser for Windows Mobile. Anyone know what's going on with that Firefox Mobile?

you're referring to "Minimo" by Mozilla. I haven't seen or heard much lately from them. There's some opera builds are fairly close to perfection depending on what irritates you the least amount. Too bad none of them has flash working perfectly yet. If I had to choose 2 browsers for WM, it would be netfront and opera mobile

well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.

Actually, I think he is referring to Fennec, not minimo. Minimo was horrible and requires very high specs, while Fennec, which is still in alpha/early beta, is very unstable yet very promising. It will be quite a while before it will be really usable. I would just stick to opera mobile for now. Skyfire works well, but isn't 100% stable. Opera mini is fast, but not full featured.
As I said, Fennec is very promising, but it is extremely unstable and VGA only for now.
Dave

bronx said:
well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.
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I agree about Mini i use it for pretty much everything then for sensitive info use Mobile.
"I like fast pages and come from SP stock so used to the Mini approach"

I used to get annoyed by the text flipping, but Manila2D always corrects the screen back to portrait when you hit the homescreen. I've been using that as my bandaid.

Build 15233 is yummy
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen.
<snippy snip snip>
Dave
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Like Dave was, I just got build 15233 running per the instructions at
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blog/9/tutorial-everything-you-need-know-about-flash-lite-3-and-playing-back-flash-web-videos
and it is by far the best browser experience I've had on my Tilt yet. Flash even worked on http://www.spezzo.com.
It isn't very fast, but compared to IE and the first Minimo, this actually WORKS. I can switch from mobile versions to desktop versions, zoom and scroll, and it uses my IE favorites.
AT&T Tilt
Windows Mobile 6.1 (Build 19199.dutty's)
Thanks XDA good guys!

Anyone Try Out Iris Browser?

Looks pretty cool. I'm downloading now.
http://on10.net/blogs/sarahintampa/Iris-A-New-Browser-for-Windows-Mobile-Emerges-from-Beta/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpX5JZWtu-g
http://www.irisbrowser.com/download/
The Iris Browser is a new, Webkit-based web browser for Windows Mobile devices running versions 5 or 6(+). The company recently released an updated version (Iris Browser 1.1.0) which is a very different piece of software than the one that was being used by beta testers. In the latest update, the company says they’ve merged a year’s worth of WebKit development into the browser while also re-auditing all their work, addressing performance issues, and making the browser capable of viewing almost any website on the net.
Most notably to end users, the refreshed browser now provides Flash support by way of a plugin that converts the Flash Lite ActiveX control into an Iris Browser plugin. The end result is that when you browse to Flash-enabled pages, you will see a black image with a play button which you can click to optionally see the Flash content.
The new Iris browser is highly compliant, too, scoring a 100/100 on Acid3 with only a couple of minor rendering glitches. Those glitches are related to fonts, where they deliberately cut some corners for better performance. Iris is also highly compatible with iPhone websites, the company reports.
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Hey pretty good! I'm just apparently having some trouble to click on certain links that don't respond, and can't get flash videos to work, but the rest works impressively well!

Nice....
Looks Really nice,
Going to try it soon.

iris browser suck balls just do skyfire. theres no waiting list now and the new upgrades are awesome. browser includes flash content.......lemme repeat includes flash content!! lol free flowing youtube and myspace if u into that

zubi said:
Looks Really nice,
Going to try it soon.
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For flash support, install the official Flash player 3.1 to your device, (not memory card), and unzip the attached file (NPFL3ppc.dll) to \Program Files\Iris Browser\Plugins Flash should now work in Iris Browser.

toastman74 said:
iris browser suck balls just do skyfire.
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Well sorry but to me it's skyfire that "sucks balls"....
For comparable "speedy" browsing I much prefer Opera Mini, now as sometimes a "full" browser with local rendering is needed I was still looking for one and it seems Iris does the job.
And it's also supposed to supplrt flash if you read above. I didn't manage to get it wirking with those instructions though... not that I care much actually.

a little help
apparently, i am a moron. the download is not in cab format, and i do not know how to install it. i did not see any instruction on their site.

k-semler said:
For flash support, install the official Flash player 3.1 to your device, (not memory card), and unzip the attached file (NPFL3ppc.dll) to \Program Files\Iris Browser\Plugins Flash should now work in Iris Browser.
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Didn't work for me. Trying to play a video at YouTube, I get an "could not create ActiveX object" error.
Where did you get the Official Flash 3.1? I installed the redistributable developer flash from the Adobe site.

kilrah said:
Well sorry but to me it's skyfire that "sucks balls"....
For comparable "speedy" browsing I much prefer Opera Mini, now as sometimes a "full" browser with local rendering is needed I was still looking for one and it seems Iris does the job.
And it's also supposed to supplrt flash if you read above. I didn't manage to get it wirking with those instructions though... not that I care much actually.
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I'm so supprised more peeps don't use Mini as defacto browser as it's so fast, also keeps my data costs down, there is times i use fully fledged browser but Mobile does the trick.
Have found evey iris release slow to render page and then even when rendered "or so you think" you move the page down and get grey squares, just like Skyfire.
Just my opinion.

Yea for me Mini does 95% of the job, but I have a couple of sites I visit that don't appreciate the whole going through a 3rd party server thing. I ditched Mobile as the full-fledged alternative because all the versions I tried had very annoying bugs (from SIP bugs to Mobile switching the phone to reverse landscape when quitting it if i had been using it in landscape mode for example). That iris version seems to be a bit faster rendering too.

dont get me wrong opera mini is my main browser built in but for tubin' and myspace theres nothin better than skyfire.

I just installed 1.1.3 and this thing is *AMAZING*
Best browser I've ever used on windows mobile.
Stuff just looks ... *right*
I'm so happy winmo is finally get a browser to rival Safari. THIS IS IT.

Personally, i don't think it is great ...there are alot of bugs and the biggest one for me is the HUGE memory consumption and ungracefull UI. People Like opera becaus you have a full screen to work with... and this right now is not cutting it for me.
I'll watch its progress i guess, its not quite "up to speed" for me yet....

joel2009 said:
Personally, i don't think it is great ...there are alot of bugs and the biggest one for me is the HUGE memory consumption and ungracefull UI. People Like opera becaus you have a full screen to work with... and this right now is not cutting it for me.
I'll watch its progress i guess, its not quite "up to speed" for me yet....
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I completely agree...although I must say this version is much better the previous, much less buggy, even though there are still some bugs. and the UI could have been a bit more pleasent...I will stick with Skyfire

Adobe Flash Lite 3.1 Distributable Player
k-semler said:
For flash support, install the official Flash player 3.1 to your device, (not memory card), and unzip the attached file (NPFL3ppc.dll) to \Program Files\Iris Browser\Plugins Flash should now work in Iris Browser.
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I thought I'd include this here so it would be more convenient to grab this and the dll at the same time.
oops.. repost; attached dll.

how was it if compared with NetFront... i'm using NetFront for browsing...
the other i have tried is opera and skyfire... i'm still prefer using the NetFront

kusha said:
how was it if compared with NetFront... i'm using NetFront for browsing...
the other i have tried is opera and skyfire... i'm still prefer using the NetFront
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hmm... haven't tried NetFront; haven't even heard of it up until you mentioned it... does it have OOB flash support? i've tried opera and skyfire, and the new version of IE shipping with wm6.1/wm6.5... so far, Iris seems to be the best browser for me... features like g-sensor (accelerometer) support, touch wheel (HTC Diamond/Touch Pro devices) support, mouse emulation, etc.. really make it the best choice for me.

anyone
Has anyone got iris browser 2.0(latest) version? Torch mobile is no longer there. RIM has taken over and it is no longer available for download. I am using 1.1.9 at the moment.
If anyone has it please post it.

Opera Mobile 9.7 is now available (FTP)

just went over to the opera ftp site and found at the very bottom a link to the 9.7 beta.
here is a direct link to the ftp for anyone that wants it.
Directory:
ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/winmobile/970b1/
here is the actual CAB file:
ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/winmobile/970b1/operabrowser_wm_97b1.cab
im also uploading this to rapidshare right now incase they decide to take the link down
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here are the rapidshare links (note: these are un-modified files, they are the exact same files you get directly from their FTP site, simply mirrors of the originals)
Opera Mobile 9.7 -http://rapidshare.com/files/242130821/operabrowser_wm_97b1.cab
Opera Widet Manager 9.7 - http://rapidshare.com/files/242131406/operawidgetman_wm_97b1.cab

woohaaa! finally!

It is amazingly fast and usable. Finally, mobile internet feels like real internet.

how import the favourites from 9.5 version?
thanks

is it able to load all flash stuffs in any pages?

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how import the favourites from 9.5 version?
thanks
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copy opera6.adr to new profile folder.

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G R E A T
It worked perfectly.
I found that file in device\windows\opera9\ folder.

Is there a particular way to install this bad boy? If I just hit install will it break TF3D?

Zoom Zoom
Installed this on shep's latest rom and it flys
Removed previous version via add remove programs and installed the cab
and this opera is really a turbo make that twin turbo's

yeah it looks really nice and all but don.t forget it.s just the first beta. if u look more closely you can see that most of the plugins are disabled - falsh etc.(and opera turbo is in there just for the preview - very unstable and buggy and probably not ready yet).
still, it looks and feels really nice so i.m gonna be really interested in the final release. till then i.m on skyfire - still unbeatable in mobile browsing experience

it sux that there is no flash i guess i will be using skyfire a little longer

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Thank you for this I have been looking to find that out as well.

The zooming feature on my htc touch pro doesn't seem to work.
I'm not talking about the zooming feature of clicking on the screen but the scroll on my htc touch pro itself.
Is there anyway to make this work? ,
Can't seem to find any settings on advanced.

Yeah I'd like to know this as well. That zooming feature is the ONLY reason I use Opera Mobile over Iris and Skyfire.

Do you know how to download files from sites like http://gentoo.arcticnetwork.ca/app-doc/NaturalDocs/ ?
There's no choice to open or save file like in PC browsers... I know that rar files can be saved in such way, but no such files like *.cab.

You can't download files unless turbo is disabled. I know, hassle.
Edit: Also, just press your finger over the link for a couple seconds then go to save.

Well.. I used Advanced Config. Went to more settings and went to smart touch. I then added Opera Mobile to the list and was excited because I thought it would use the zoom bar to zoom!
....
Epic fail. It just scrolls through the links. -_-

Opera 9.7 on turbo mode browsing Facebook
Have you guys tried Facebook with Opera 9.7 on turbo mode?
When I try it, on the home screen of Fbook, I cannot click anything except stuff like Home, Profile, Friends, Inbox (the top buttons).
Everything else just reloads the home page.
Very similar to Opera mini in that respect.
Is there a trick about this or something.

mines currently going to mobile pages for things such as amazon and collegehumor.com what was the setting to fix it?
and no its not the simple one that is mobile page view that is unchecked

it.s still a beta guys, very buggy especially with opera turbo activated (i think the bug list is posted on their website) final release will have flash and zooming options activated