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Since i got my new xda2i i have problems using sd/mmc cards in this ppc. Sometimes it seems that the card controller in the ppc locks up for example while hearin mp3s wich are stored on the card. I have two 1gb sd cards a "ExtreMEmory" and a "TakeMS" furthermore i tried a 64MB "Sandisk" mmc. All cards work fine in my old yakumo delta. Even a reset (soft) does not help.
After 1 or 2 hours the cards are suddenly reappears in the file explorer. Meanwhile i can use the pda normal except for the sd-card. :wink:
Does anybody got a similar behavior of its xda2i. I tried also the english update but no luck (now i using german orginal angain).
Thanks in advance . . .
Groovie
here you go and download it
i have the same problem with my sd kingstone 1gb and later format with this utility my alpine never freeze (too at 620 mhz xcpu scalar!!!)
i have tested it with movie for 30 days
you must hace a usb card reader
http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/hpcpqdt/us/download/20306.html
Hi
Thankyou i'll try it. But i have formated the sd card once direct on the pda. Do i need a hp cardreader?
cu
Groovie
no no a generic usb card reader i have a trust for example ;my impression is that this utility format best the sd card but i don't know why...only first i formatted with alpine and xp pro utility and space free is 966 mb plus minus...after i formatted with hp utility and space free is 948 ... and the frze of alpine playing movie and music are missed
HI,
I tried that tool, but no luck.
I have send the device back to o2. This can only be a defect.
Bye
mmm i dont knot ...howewer when it go back please give me a feedback about o2's response thanks
bye
hm.... does it means that the MMC / SD-Card over 512 MB is prone to error in XDA IIi ?
that's so annoying :-(
now I'm in doubt to buy Kingston Elite Pro 1 GB SD-Card. Should I take Kingston or Transcend ?
any response would be very helpful.
Hi,
I have got another device back from O2. This one works fine for about three weeks now . . .
cu
I've used Transcend 80x 1 GB SD-Card SLC till now and it works smoothly no problem at all.
So... Yesterday I did one thing - and as the result - no lockups while listening to music today...
I have Qtek 2020i and trancsend 150x 2GB SD card.
What I did:
1) formatted my SD card using card reader.
2) than copied music to card with card reader too.
3) inserted card into ppc - tried to listen to music and got lots of lockups....
4) some days ago I found a tool for fixing errors SD card on ppc(format and defragment also): "Storage Tools 2.0". I tried to check sd card with it - and it found lots of errors on sd card.. (there were 2 kind of errors: "lost chains of files" and "2 files pointing same data").. so I runned it and it removed those errors...
5) today I listened to music almost all the day - and wow! there were no lockups!
I do belive that that lockups are caused by some harware fault while reading and writing data to SD card via ppc. but that program somehow corrects errors...don't know how..
but ! be carefull - I tried to format my card using that tool - but after that - my ppc and PC showed me that the card has no free space - I tried to reformat it via card reader and other tools - it didn't help.
but on transcend homepage I found util for correcting "free space issue" (that is that card's known issue i think..) and it saved my card...
and one more advice - when you'll check your cards for errors - set option to correct errors automaticly, or you will get thousands of messages asking fix or not each found error, and aborting checking won't help.. (I waited for 20 minutes after I pressed stop button - than just soft reseted ppc...)...
so here is that util:
http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
you can use it without paying for it as I understood.
use at your own risk anyway...
That sounds like good news Ice.....
Lets see what others have to say, especially with TT5.
Well I still get the occasional TomTom lock up with my bog standard bought in Tesco's 256MB SD card, formatted to FAT32 2kb (about 1 lockup per 3 days, compared to 1 lockup per 30 mins before I switched to PUGS 1.11.162 and reformatted the card), so I just downloaded and tried this with some interesting results...
I analysed my storage card and it told me that there were errors. So I ran repair (manually clicking ok on each error) and I got a few lost file chains, but about 30 "Bad Directory Entry". When it finished, I ran the "Verify" again, and it told me there were still errors. Ran repair again, this time just 3 "Bad Directory Entry" errors.
Upshot, each time I check it with this tool it tells me there are errors, and doesn't seem to be able to fix them. Pocket Mechanic on the other hand tells me that my card is fine and that there are no errors.
Don't know which to believe.
hm...wes there any work with card between checks? if there were some write operations it could cause new errors.. if that util worked from sd card exspecially..
I have no other card to test it myself...but my seems to work fine..
while listening to music I had lockuos about every 5 minutes...it's gone..
now I am going to try installing some programs to card and more music and see what happens...
So I tried to add\remove some data from card - no errors appeared - and no lock ups still...
so now i think that formatting SD card clears only header of a card, and leaves some info on free space - which can cause such trouble when accessing new data....
Used StorageTools to reformat SD as FAT32, 2K cluster size
Downloaded TT5 maps and ran Scan with Repair option but still issues with TT 5.21 lockup!!
Tried with both 1Gb SanDisk Extreme III and 1Gb Transcend 80x
heh =|
btw, you all speak about tomtom lockup, do you have lockups when listening to music? because I never used tomtom - I just had problems with music....
I think the corrupted data on the cards is caused by momentary power losses which the card reader experiences (thanks to a fault in the Alpine hardware), if I remember past discussion on this forum correctly...
Also, is the Transcend SD card an MLC or SLC card? Because as far as I know, SLCs don't suffer from the data problems MLC cards suffer sometimes when used in Alpines.
Chris,
How can you find out if the Transcend SD is MLC or SLC ?
Would upgrading to a later ROM fix the problem?
If you search the forums for the threads discussing MLC Vs. SLC, I think you'll find out your answer.
Basically, I believe the only ways to tell if a card is SLC or MLC are to either have a program which will tell you (I don't know of one myself), or check the manufacturer's web site for technical information... Or ask someone who may know.
I don't believe upgrading the ROM will solve the problem, it's a hardware issue (the card readers are too sensitive to power fluctuations). It was previously assumed that the latest Transcend cards were immune from the problems with some other makes of SD card, but it seems from various user reports that they do indeed suffer - usually randomly - from similar problems.
Another user reported that after switching from SD cards to MMC cards, the problem was alleviated, and he went from experiencing quite a few lockups daily to absolutely no problems at all. Therefore, it may be worth your while sending back the Transcend card and buying an MMC (which you're quite entitled to do if you're a UK resident and you purchased the card recently from a UK retailer, thanks to the Distance Sale of Goods Act).
There are other posts related to the same subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=240871#240871
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=39122&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25
Someone has reported last week, that moving from SD to MMC has cured his TT5 problems.
For people who bought their PDA through EXPANSYS, I encourage you to join this support poll:
http://www.expansys.com/forumthread.asp?code=121444&thread=35&man=QTEK
And for those who bought the QTEK version of this PDA, I encourage you to complain about the lack of any support on that product.
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christopherwoods said:
Another user reported that after switching from SD cards to MMC cards, the problem was alleviated, and he went from experiencing quite a few lockups daily to absolutely no problems at all.
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ericd91 said:
Someone has reported last week, that moving from SD to MMC has cured his TT5 problems.
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We're on the same wavelength
I had a 1Gb Sandisk, I had to buy a Transcend 80x 1Gb, and know do you think we have to buy another card (MMC)!!!??
Please QTEK!!!! Solve IT!!!!
Well, if you can't return the item for a refund, you could always flog it on eBay.
christopherwoods said:
Well, if you can't return the item for a refund, you could always flog it on eBay.
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I don't think the problem of TomTom lockups is caused by momentary power losses which the card reader experiences as stated by christopherwoods.
The card readers may be too sensitive to power fluctuations, but after doing the following testing, here is below the results I had:
1 - Transcend 2 Go SD card 150X (2Go) with QTEK 2020i using TOMTOM
5.21, but I took out the SIM card of my phone (so no more GSM signal)
I did not suffer any lockups with TOMTOM during many trips
2 - Transcend 2 Go SD card 150X (2Go) with QTEK 2020i using TOMTOM
5.21, but I put back the SIM card in my phone, and here are the
lockups back again.
I noticed that when my phone is searching for GSM signal (when moving from one cell to another, or in weak signal area), then it is precisly the time where TOMTOM lockup. Maybe it is when QTEK2020i search for GSM signal then there is power fluctuations on the card reader of the phone, which result with a lockup of TOMTOM or other applications (as stated by other people).
In this case, christopherwoods would be right.
Anyway, I have moved since more then one week to a Kingston 2Go MMC Plus Card, and I said goodbye to all the lockups problems, it works perfectly, and I'm very happy with my 2020i.
I can't say for sure, I've never experienced any problems like this on my 2i (but I have a fairly old 256mb SD card which JUST fits TT5 and the GB and NL plus maps, my largest SD card I use in my digital camera). All I mentioned in my previous post were things other people either took an educated guess at, or mentioned might be the cause of the problem. It seems that a fair few peoples' bug reports and diagnoses of their problems were quite similar though, which led me to believe that this is probably the cause.
It would fit, if the device needs to draw more power than available to boost the signal strength to handshake with a cell, I'd expect all the other interfaces to suffer as a result, the memory card unfortunately being particularly susceptible (especially with these newest, HUGE memory cards which I can only imagine are really sensitive to voltage change, being so tightly packed into the chip).
I don't think temporary power losses have anything to do with the problems we are facing.
TRANSCEND SD cards as most of FLASH cards assemblers work at 3.3V +/- 10 to 20%. For example the TRANSCEND 1GB x80 SL is given to work between 2.7V and 3.6V.
Also, the problems I have been having were the same with LEXAR 1GB x32 that used to be one of the reference cards for IPAQ2215, behaves the same way the TRANSCEND 1GB x80 does.
And TT5.21 freezes happen when the 2020i is plugged to the cigaret lighter adapter as well as being used on its onw battery.
A problem has been identified with TT5 when changing cell towers, and this might be still be the case even though TT5.21 was supposed to cure it.
I can reproduce the freezes 5min from home when entering a particular area, and changing cell tower migh have something to do with it.
When changing cell-phone tower I think it induces either higher data transfers between the radio module and the processor, or the opposite way keep it in hold for a pretty long time.
When looking at SD or MMC specs, I found out that several revisions of the MMC standard specifications have been released. So, I think the 2020i hardware or firmware version we are using, only supports a certain sets of this MMC/SD standards. The same issue was known on the IPAQ221x serie regarding BlueTooth.That PDA wasn't able to communicate properly with certain BT devices that implemented BT1.2 standard because of its hardware design. Also on that PDA certain SD cards weren't supported properly when running TT2 or 3. I found out at that time that running TT app & sound files out of RAM instead of SD was the cure to problems whatever SD card was used.
Unfortunatly, running TT5 and associated files out of SD or RAM doesn't change anything on the 2020i regarding freezes.
I think the problem is a hardware/firmware issue between cell-phone tower changes and SD card support.
Hope we'll figure out what the real issue is, and have a definitive fix for it.
So far, Bigdede's tip seems to be the one, unless other people than sybaseian have fix their problem when moving to newer ROM updates.
Hmm. Well, my old SD card is a PNY 256Mb, if that helps in diagnosis. I have the occasional problem with TT locking up if I try to load too many POI or display them on the map, you have to be patient with this SD card It's just got quite a slow access rate. That has to be one of the main reasons for this problem... Maybe the CPU just can't keep up with the fastest read/write rates of these new cards when it's having to think about loads of other stuff at the same time? Resulting in momentary data loss or corruption, just like WMP will sometimes stutter or crap out.
ericd91 said:
...I can reproduce the freezes 5min from home when entering a particular area, and changing cell tower migh have something to do with it...
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The same for me I can reproduce this lockup it in a particular point. But only when I have additional pois activated.
(I have trascend 1Gb 80x)
Without these pois, it works perfectly.
Hi all,
First post, and really hope this is a stupid newbie question! Just taken posession of my new Vario III and got a 6Gb Sandisk MicroSD to fill with my junk
The card is recognised fine in the kaiser and can access it and install cabs directly from it with no problem. The unit gives me the option where to install once I run a cab as expected...
However when I fire up Activesync and use an EXE installer (same apps) via the PC for anything, the 'Install to default directory' option is ticked and greyed out...I don't think its app specific henve Activesync isn't getting wind of the SD card at all?
Am I doing something really daft here or is there a problem? Can't find any references to this on the net hence I'm hoping its the former!!!! Why would the card behave fine in the PDA but drop off the face of the earth in Activesync?
Cheers for any help.
Bump
Hmm, well its looking increasingly like card problem...this morning my Opera icons were all scrambled (its installed on the MicroSD card) and File Explorer reported rubbish filenames on the card itself (random characters).
Soft reset it, and so far its okay again (but can't try Activesync as not on my home PC).
Its a Sandisk 6Gb card from MobyMemory - what are the chances its a bad card versus a bad unit from T-Mobile? Presumably high?!? Odd that noone else has reported similar issues though?
Cheers for any advice...
I am not sure ... but I dont install software in the microSDHC card.
I always install int he phone ROM. Hey we have 128 MB I installed bunch of apps and still have 97 MB free ...
Oh btw, I use that new SanDisk 6 GB MicroSDHC as well, just to store all the data, movies and PIE cache ... it works fine till now.
Hi everyone
That's my first post! I've been hanging around here withwout becomming user so long...till now.
I have just bought an sdhc card ( dont know the class ) and it's working EXTREMELY SLOWWWW on my Kaiser TyTN II (htc) when I mean slow, i mean below usb1.0
I'm using Card Export II, compatibility with Hermes devices, and when writing a single mp3 through, ~6mb it takes 5 minutes. Transfer rate is below usb 1, and that was weird, so i've checked to transfer ~6mb to anotrher microSD card (256mb old card from old phone, nokia brand) and the song was copied pretty fast, reaching usb 1.0. bitrate
Imagine to copy a 400~mb film on my new card, even i can't copy mp3 ...to slow...ah, almost i forgot it, the new card, kingston sdHC with it's HC pc card reader works exellent, usb2.0.
How that can be possible? an old card is working at least 4fold times faster!!! than my new Kingston sdHC 4gb.
Any idea?
Really appreciate.
Any idea about that?
Someone is using a Kaiser II with Card Export II? having reeeaaaly slow data rate¿
thanks
As you know, the Kaiser only supports USB 1.1 and thus (s)low speeds.
First of all, disable the Hermes workaround option. Activating the option reduced my transfer speed by half (approx.).
For large files, just use an external USB 2.0 card reader.
In the past I have done a test to get an idea of the different transfer speeds:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392941 (post 9)
Just wondering: which ROM are you using and which class has your SDHC card? (Me: -G-'s DK.10 series - WM6.1 & SDHC Class 4)
As to why your transfer rates are so low, I have no idea...
Hi!
Mhhh it could be the rom....i've even tried tweaking registry parameters (increase sd bloc size, etc) with no significant success on writing speed.
I've got and kingston 4gb sdhc class 4, rom WM6 prof compilation 18125.0.4.2
I had this problem with a Kingston 8GB Class 4. I tried tweaks and other roms, no luck. I ended up exchaning the card for another one that was exatly the same, and it completely solved my problem. I think a bad one gets in the batch from time to time. It took like 2 minutes to transfer 500kb. Granted, it takes a long time to transfer files anyways, but not that bad.
I've heard this from other people as well. However,
securedigital said:
Hi everyone
That's my first post! I've been hanging around here withwout becomming user so long...till now.
I have just bought an sdhc card ( dont know the class ) and it's working EXTREMELY SLOWWWW on my Kaiser TyTN II (htc) when I mean slow, i mean below usb1.0
I'm using Card Export II, compatibility with Hermes devices, and when writing a single mp3 through, ~6mb it takes 5 minutes. Transfer rate is below usb 1, and that was weird, so i've checked to transfer ~6mb to anotrher microSD card (256mb old card from old phone, nokia brand) and the song was copied pretty fast, reaching usb 1.0. bitrate
Imagine to copy a 400~mb film on my new card, even i can't copy mp3 ...to slow...ah, almost i forgot it, the new card, kingston sdHC with it's HC pc card reader works exellent, usb2.0.
How that can be possible? an old card is working at least 4fold times faster!!! than my new Kingston sdHC 4gb.
Any idea?
Really appreciate.
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if not mistaken, i think i've read somewhere stating that kaiser max spped is usb1.1 and class2 for sdhc (hardware limitation)
well
I jave update the rom....to hyperdragon III and things got worse....
Now, can't even connect with pc via Card Export....and the worst of all, my gps got ruined.
More than 45minutes to catch gps signal
Before flashing, with the original rom i got satellite inside home, now...now not even outside....
Gps is now spoiled.
I've used [13 January 2009] HyperDragon III Raphael OS 5.2.21009 Build 20931.1.5.0
Now i should fix the gps...any idea¿? reflashing the rom would be painful.
Thanks
The fastest transfer rate I have found was via a ftp server on the kaiser. Its called Mocha Ftp Server. Works via wifi
Hope this helps
P.S.
I dont think HDIII comes with a radio. Maybe you are using an incompatible one. Look at the list on his page and download a matching radio for WM6.1 ( as this 100% will cause issues with any radio function including GPS )
It's not only a hardware thing.. I am using an sdhc 8 gig from sandisk, and just reading/writing to it is slow (even w/ an external reader as oppossed to the one in my comp)....
I guess it's like trading off mileage for speed in a car though.............. I dunno, I'm about ready to chuck mine, good thing it only cost me 29 bucks.
Hi All,
I have a HTC Fuze. I recently purchased a Transcend 8GB Class 6 microSD card. The problem is even if the card is plugged in memory it shows that its "Not Installed".
I updated the ROM from the HTC site and then It showed the card. But, after that I could transfer the files as it gave me some error. So I kept the card in the provided adapter and pluged into my system to copy all the needed files.
But when I pugged the card back into the phone. It doesnt recognize again and just shows it as "Not Installed" I tried flashing the ROM agian but of no use. The card is not being reconized at all. Please help me how to work it out?
I replaced the card once alread with Transcend!
However, about your card problem, have you tried re-formatting it before using? I'm not sure how well it will work, but at least something worth a try...
Ohh Ya, I have tried it all. Reformat, Soft/Hard reset. Upgraded to new version of ROM. I didnt try the Enerygy ROM, trying to get one. Also I see in the forumns that there are specific format tools to do to. Any idea?
i am having the same problem with my FUZE, I have a 8 GB transcend micro SDHC did you ever get yours to "read" or install it?
Same problem here...
8gb Transcend microsdhc class 6.
Fuze doesn't recognize at all, tried two different roms. It recognizes my non hc card but not the hc card.
You need to post this in the correct forum (i.e Touch Pro). Only Diamond related posts here.
ATT FUZE and 8 Gb Class 6 MicroSD
ATT FUZE and 8 Gb Class 6 MicroSD
I tried everything reflashing phone numerous times, low level formatting microsd card nothing worked or at least not permanently. Bit the bullet and bough another microsd card after some reading but this time a Class 4. I think a Class 2 would have worked also. I don't think it has to do with the brand name and/or size just the Class.
Also had lots of freezing issues with 23081 Roms so went back to a 23420 Rom and have not had a freeze or lockup since. Not naming Roms because it's not the fault of the Roms since these are all Beta builds otherwise we would be stuck with the dull stock Roms. So i'm grateful to be able to have all these choices and I do say choices because no one here is being forced to change their Roms.
Sandisk 16 Gb is a Class 2 so that should be a clear indication that not all devices are able to work with newer storage. Standalone cameras yes but smartphones not so smart.
This is my two cents
I have ordered 2 of these same cards(18 each from Newegg deal).. both of them do not work on my FUZE. They work fine on samsung impression. Tried formatting, reflashing other ROms, TAEL, NRG etc.. no use. Any help???
Sure Fire Fix!!!
I had the same prob..Switch back and forth from the touchflo view to the regular today screen view. in both views insert and take out your memory card it should reappear in your file explorer in one of those views