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Dear all
I had an i-mate JasJam and sold it, then baught myself a HTC Touch but not happy with the performance.
I am thinking of buying a HTC TyTn II.
Reading all the reviews over the web is not good enough to make a good decission.
The best thing is to hear from the actual users.
Please Advice.
Best Regards
This phone is the best there is.
The only problem (What kan be a big problem) is that the screen is very thin.
So watch out while pressing or having it in your pocket.
I have used the I-mate Jasjam and Triniy, and I can tell you one thing Tytn II is better than both of them, only thing that is bugging me is the battery life time.
xmoo said:
This phone is the best there is.
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"Best" can be so subjective to the user’s needs. I will just say, it's the best I've had so far. The ONLY issue I have right now is battery life sux. I have yet to isolate the problem with it. Some report no problems, while MANY others do. The best improvement IMHO so far over the other HTC phones I've had, is the increase in on board memory. The only apps I load to the SD card now are games.
The Kaiser is very good, and you will find 128 Mb ram a godsend after both the Touch and the JasJam.
Re battery life, mine improved immeasurably when I make bluetooth non-discoverable. Of course one should also make sure no GPS software is running in the background.
Surur
TYTN II/Kaiser is a solid in feel and performer. Wen holding the TYTN I and II, I feels very hollow/light and II ha substances, solid. plus the screen tilts so one can read/watch while leaving it on the desk.
surur said:
The Kaiser is very good, and you will find 128 Mb ram a godsend after both the Touch and the JasJam.
Re battery life, mine improved immeasurably when I make bluetooth non-discoverable. Of course one should also make sure no GPS software is running in the background.
Surur
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I got a replacement for mine when I called support over the battery issue. Before I sent the first one back, I hard reset it, installed nothing, and didn't even put a sim card in it. No wifi or BT on, I put it in hibernation and let it sit overnight. It used 12% of the battery over a 6 hour period (in hibernation). The 8525/TyTn wouldn't even use 1% doing this same thing. So, I believe there is something in the hardware of this phone is a battery hog.
I've got a Tilt and an 8525. Although the Tilt looks the same size, it feels much smaller and more comfortable in the hand. Lighter too. It makes a surprising difference. I like the non-collapsing stylus. The speaker seems tinnier to me, but if using headset, there is a sort of basic equalizer applet (though I haven't used it yet).
It has fewer buttons than the 8525. It doesn't have the two on the top for messages or IE and it doesn't have the button on the for Comm Manager, which I miss quite a lot. I also find the On/off button on the same side to be more recessed and harder to press. This is an annoyance for me because I like to keep the unit off to conserve battery but let it wake for calls, reminders etc.
I won't talk about the joy of the extra storage. The camera's nicer too, not just extra pixels but ease of use and settings. I do very much like the built in GPS. Using it with Google maps or Live Search, you can find a wide variety of local businesses including addresses, map views and directions and add them to contacts. With existing contacts for which you have an address listed, you can also get directions. I find this useful when having to pick up my kids at their school mates homes when I've never been there.
I've only had the Tilt for a couple of days and am still in the process of learning all the additional benefits
After my smartphones, i got some pdaphones : wizard, then trinity, hermes, artemis, and now THE Kaiser.
By order : Kaiser-Artemis-Trinity-Wizard-Hermes.
The Kaiser is the best phone I ever tried, and I'm not sure I'll change for Polaris.
Keyboard is cool, TouchFlo works as well, and Agps rocks. And memory and rom owns !
Kaiser rulezzzz
Battery life is better than the Hermes IMO (compared against 8525 & TyTN). The only thing that's missing is support for Qualcom's hardware video acceleration. Hopefully itnf we'll have that too....
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Battery life is better than the Hermes IMO (compared against 8525 & TyTN). The only thing that's missing is support for Qualcom's hardware video acceleration. Hopefully itnf we'll have that too....
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I'm not sure that battery life is better. Better than my Artemis, sure, but my Hermes, I don't think so.
I too had the Jasjam and the Touch and now the Kaiser (TyTn II).
By far the best specially the ample amount of RAM and ROM is probably the best part for me.
My only complaint is that while using the EDGE network the data speed I get is only half of what I get with the Touch. I have tried this repeatedly by swaping my SIM between the Touch and TyTn II and each time the same result about 100 kbs for the TyTn II versus 200 for the Touch
Kaiser:
1. is a bit heavy
2. does not have vga screen
I think Touch and Kaiser are meant for different purposes. You may want to look into Touch II if performance is your only concern. If you are really into PDA's then Kaiser is the answer.
24hrs with the phone and i love it.. yeah its got a few flaws.. i like my 8525 keyboard more.. these buttons dont seem to pop like the 85s did so it takes some time getting used to.. the phone feels soo much thinner and feels like it weights less when holding up to ur ear. its extremely faster then the treo 750v when using a custom rom (im using duttys 3). the camera is AMAZING for a phone..from what ive seen but then again ive only delt w/ windows phones since my very first phone so.. yeah
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I'm not sure that battery life is better. Better than my Artemis, sure, but my Hermes, I don't think so.
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I agree with Sleuth255 the battery life in my att tilt BLOWS away the battery life I got with the 8525. and yes, we got it, you dont think so.
camera sucks
I think the camera sucks compared to the 8525. I was able to take some good pics with the 8525, where on the tilt, they are always jaggy, i have to ask someone to sit still for 5 seconds. just my opinion.
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I think the camera sucks compared to the 8525. I was able to take some good pics with the 8525, where on the tilt, they are always jaggy, i have to ask someone to sit still for 5 seconds. just my opinion.
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are u running a 8925 or a 8125 because the camera is purely just shy of amazing for a camera phone.. it has auto focus so u might have a bad phone
One more tool to increase battery life.
I just ran across a nifty little tool that lets you use just about any Pop email provider and yet get Push email from it WITHOUT using your email client to keep checking if you have mail which saves your battery.
It uses mail forwarding from your provider and sms/text messages to trigger your PPC to go get mail. As a result the battery seems to last a lot longer and you get your mail within seconds of it arriving in your POP email providers servers.
Give this thing a look. It's working just great with GMAIL. And once Google fixes their IMAP problems for PPC this will work even better. Here's the site.
http://www.qorefunctions.com/
Dear All
I would like to thank you to all of you who contributed in this thread, I very much appreciate your personal openions.
Now I have a better and clear view of the Kaiser.
Again thank you very much
Best Regards
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Why on Earth would someone even consider buying this "could have been good, but sucked by HTC as always" ?
Just READ before you buy. You will HAVE the 3D support missing on other devices, though maybe for 2 hours only before recharging.
I was attracted, but this a NO-NO-No for sure
EDIT: any REVIEWS based on 20 minutes usage are NOT representative.
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http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/hktechphooey/post.htm?id=63004110&scid=hm_bl#talkbackList
Why on Earth would someone even consider buying this "could have been good, but sucked by HTC as always" ?
Just READ before you buy. You will HAVE the 3D support missing on other devices, though maybe for 2 hours only before recharging.
I was attracted, but this a NO-NO-No for sure
EDIT: any REVIEWS based on 20 minutes usage are NOT representative.
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i had a 24 hours vacation and i bought my diamond at the beginning of it so i'll have time to test it (tomorrow, back to work).
so, after 24 hours with diamond in my hand and i mean this literally, it was all the time with me, made calls, sync, installed all my progs and played with it ("we" did have 4 hours brake, for sleep and recharging) i can say it shortly:
every single word in the above blog is truth! all i can add is that:
1. not working with igo8 and spb backup is a big thumb down for me. 2
2. charging from the pc with a regular usb cable is slow and rises the temperature of the whole room (just kidding but the diamond gets really warm-hot)
3. charging with athena's charger is "fast and furios" (from 30% to 100% in less than an hour, 600-700mA) and to my surprise less heating!?
4. not using the touchflow makes wonders (but we bought it for the touchflow, didn't we?).
and put my money where my mouth is, i think i'll returned tomorrow without any refunding till the pro is going to be available here. i'll hate the dimensions (back to trinity's bulky case?!) but at least i'll have something to use and not only play.
I don't care what any reviewers say. I don't need others to give me my opinion. I only really need 7 to 8 hours of battery life, and I don't need some of the feaures that waste a lot of power, so I'm definitely getting a Touch Diamond.
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I don't care what any reviewers say. I don't need others to give me my opinion. I only really need 7 to 8 hours of battery life, and I don't need some of the feaures that waste a lot of power, so I'm definitely getting a Touch Diamond.
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lol! nobody told you not to!
honestly, i would be very greatfull now if i could read this yesterday! i am sorry, i didn't. this is one of the greatest things here, in the forum: we learn one from the another (or not...).
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i had a 24 hours vacation and i bought my diamond at the beginning of it so i'll have time to test it (tomorrow, back to work).
so, after 24 hours with diamond in my hand and i mean this literally, it was all the time with me, made calls, sync, installed all my progs and played with it ("we" did have 4 hours brake, for sleep and recharging) i can say it shortly:
every single word in the above blog is truth! all i can add is that:
1. not working with igo8 and spb backup is a big thumb down for me. 2
2. charging from the pc with a regular usb cable is slow and rises the temperature of the whole room (just kidding but the diamond gets really warm-hot)
3. charging with athena's charger is "fast and furios" (from 30% to 100% in less than an hour, 600-700mA) and to my surprise less heating!?
4. not using the touchflow makes wonders (but we bought it for the touchflow, didn't we?).
and put my money where my mouth is, i think i'll returned tomorrow without any refunding till the pro is going to be available here. i'll hate the dimensions (back to trinity's bulky case?!) but at least i'll have something to use and not only play.
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so, quoting my self after a few more hours of diamond usage under my belt:
1. wrong! working with the spb backup. btw, fantastic backup with an option to unpack yr backup file. free to choose what you backup or restore.
2.&3. using the original charger and with the athena's usb cable - fast charge.
4.tweaked touchflow -great improvment
conclusion: returning the diamond? over my dead body! i love it!
what a turn-around!
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what a turn-around!
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got a fat check, 2 spare diamonds and one htc pro from htc inc. all i have to do: keep my mouth shut about the flows and yap about what a great breakthrough this gadget is. as you can easily guess i humbly accepted..
p.s. don't tell anybody else!
KukurikU said:
so, quoting my self after a few more hours of diamond usage under my belt:
1. wrong! working with the spb backup. btw, fantastic backup with an option to unpack yr backup file. free to choose what you backup or restore.
2.&3. using the original charger and with the athena's usb cable - fast charge.
4.tweaked touchflow -great improvment
conclusion: returning the diamond? over my dead body! i love it!
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Good, you made me doubt buying it when its in stock in the UK, just have to justify it with my GF now, unfortunately she knows the high price for it and wont be impressed.
Off topic, kinda, is it a deffinate that a better battery will be released by HTC for the diamond?
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got a fat check, 2 spare diamonds and one htc pro from htc inc. all i have to do: keep my mouth shut about the flows and yap about what a great breakthrough this gadget is. as you can easily guess i humbly accepted..
p.s. don't tell anybody else!
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ROFL... that's a good one
I really have concerns about the battery, too. I guess that I probably will not use it as much on a regular basis that I would drain the battery before being able to charge it in the evening. But I guess that is the case for a lot of people and you would just want to be sure that on a day when you actually need it that it lasts...
Therefore I will go with the PRO (and because of the microSDHC slot)...
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ROFL... that's a good one
I really have concerns about the battery, too. I guess that I probably will not use it as much on a regular basis that I would drain the battery before being able to charge it in the evening. But I guess that is the case for a lot of people and you would just want to be sure that on a day when you actually need it that it lasts...
Therefore I will go with the PRO (and because of the microSDHC slot)...
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after reading a few posts here i got scared by the battery life as described here. what i found out:
1. there is a sudden fall from 100% to 80%. it's fast. after this everything went normal and i did mange to see the end of the day without a recharge. no 3g, and only 5 minutes of wifi.
2. i spend enough time in my car or in my office to keep the beast feed. how much time do we real spend far from an outlet/car??? not too much so no worry. of course i'll buy the extended battery!
3. charging from the pc is a pain in the but. so i tried the "special" fast charge usb cable i stole from my htc athena. wow! fast and COOL charge. if you don't have one you can made one as described in my "how to" at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387531, post no 6.
4. the memory tweak is good and efficient. the "turn face down" yr phone to silent the ring is working fine but after the first reset is gone (it cost me two voluntary hard resets to find out that there is nobody else to blame). the registry key it keeps the value "0" but the damn thing refuse to do its job.
5. the reception is fine.
6. sound quality is more than ok or fine...is very good.
7. a2dp is the best i ever have. using core player and my old stereo bt headphones was an amazing and more than satisfying experience.
8. used also core player to watch an action movie and i was again impressed. not a glitch!!
9. it fits in my shirt pocket even with my cigarette pack and i am amused by the expression on my friends faces when i slide it out.
9. the shiny, black gadget is a chick magnet and something to brag about.
in 3 words: i love it!
Maybe a stupid question but what are we (the average htc user) expecting from a phone like the Diamond?
Does it need to have enough battery power to run tomtom navigation for 24 hours (hint: carkits) or do we need to be able to just make calls (not the ones with your girlfriend that take about 4 hours talking about the color of her toe nails she should wair tomorrow) getting your email and other things the average user does? This allso brings me to the memory point. How on earth did we manage with the old nokia 6 and 7 series phones? They just had enough memory to have a bloody ringtone? I sure think it's a shame we dont have a sd slot or the option to expand the memory but i'm allso pretty sure i wont fill up that 4Gb unless i'm going to start collecting crap stuff on it.
I'm allso aware there ARE users who want to run stuff that keep your mobile screen running most of the time and have a girlfriend who really needs to know what color she should use and must have the entire collection of mp3's they downloaded the past 5 years with them 24/7... for those users they will hopefully invent a phone with a car battery and static harddisks
But seriously, think about the power drain the larger screens consume when they are lit a lot of the time. I'm afraid the batteries will be a limiting factor for allmost all phones i guess?
Well, I agree with you guys that with a device that small there have to be compromises.
And for using the Diamond just as a phone and PDA the battery is apparently completely sufficient to carry you through the day.
But the phone comes with GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth and 3G... And the thing is, when you need those features the most you probably cannot just charge the device in between (e.g. you travel/business trip etc.).
So for me this does not meet MY expectations even if this phone would fail them only once a week or once a month... I need to be able to use the device with some web browsing, phone calls, some GPS (GPS is great not only when you are in a car), using PDA software and listening to some music without the need to recharge it.
Why? Because I do not want to make this compromise...
And if you compare these features with older phones and raise the point that we did not need that or were fine with this 5 years ago, I simply have to reply that your expectations simply change with the options you have. I want to do it because I can do it...
And since an extended battery probably almost adds up to a "bulkiness" comparable to the PRO version, I will go with the PRO right away
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Well, I agree with you guys that with a device that small there have to be compromises.
And for using the Diamond just as a phone and PDA the battery is apparently completely sufficient to carry you through the day.
But the phone comes with GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth and 3G... And the thing is, when you need those features the most you probably cannot just charge the device in between (e.g. you travel/business trip etc.).
So for me this does not meet MY expectations even if this phone would fail them only once a week or once a month... I need to be able to use the device with some web browsing, phone calls, some GPS (GPS is great not only when you are in a car), using PDA software and listening to some music without the need to recharge it.
Why? Because I do not want to make this compromise...
And if you compare these features with older phones and raise the point that we did not need that or were fine with this 5 years ago, I simply have to reply that your expectations simply change with the options you have. I want to do it because I can do it...
And since an extended battery probably almost adds up to a "bulkiness" comparable to the PRO version, I will go with the PRO right away
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i guess i am lucky with my diamond AND my athena. if i want to dl/read my e-mail i am using athena, in my car, calls and gps also athena (i wired the headphones output to my car stereo aux in). diamond is when i walk or i am really on the field. each ppc has his time and use..hehehe..still i very rarely download email or surf when i am "out". besides i always have my trusted laptop with me, a very nice source for recharging the smaller brothers or replace them with his powerful wifi. i think i don't miss a thing in the "mobility" field.
@KukurikU:
Hrhr... I see your point.
I am a doctor and I do not take my laptop to work on a regular basis and I like using a PPC to quickly check some offline database for drugs etc.
Having the chance to check mails without having to go to my office is not the worst thing if you work all over the hospital. That's the same for checking RSS feeds or some easy stuff on the internet. I think this could be nice... and I just cannot take more than one device with me while working.
And that is more or less the same for GPS. If you are "on the go" you really want it to last a little bit...
As said before, even if this is not on a regular basis, you just do not want to run out of energy when you need it.
And honestly because of that I really appreciate that HTC is launching the PRO to address the different needs of customers. If I would work at one office place the whole day, I'd get a second charger and could just charge the Diamond in the middle of the day just within the reach of my hands.
But fortunately I do not have a job like this
Ok, After a week with the DIamond, heres what i think.
The BAD:
1- Battery sux big time, barely a day ( WIFI,3G,Bluetooth=OFF).
2- Performance of the TF3D is not that great, especially opening sms's & emails.
3-A Lot of compatibility issues with your best Appz, some of them wont work.
4-Chrging with usb IS S-L-O-W & the phone does get hot.
The Good:
1- I love the TF3D, it eventually grows on you,just needs some tweaking to speed things up & maybe customize it a little.
2- I love the G-sensor, with time software developers can make wonders using it, example : Flip the phone now to silent.
3- About freaking time to have a vga screen, no way im turning back to QVGA.
4-Hardware is awesome, 528Mhz, 192/256 RAM/ROM and with modified rom, i see a great potential for this phone.
5- Ohh browsing on this phone is great, using the smart wheel, u can enlarge & its great, like an iphone.
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If i was asked to weight it all in, i would still keep it & just wait for some roms.
If you didnt buy it yet, wait for the Touch pro, has a keyboard, 1300Mah battery & fullkeyboard.
I got the Tyt-II & actually never used the keyboard but i like the saying that goes " I'd rather have it & not need it then Need it & not have it".
Its a phone that has great potential but needs some time.
I am wondering if all the reviews that are out right now have the final rom (/the rom update that caused the delay in shippment of the first batch of Touch Diamonds)...
If not, we might see some differences and hopefully improvements on some of the issues that people report.
For 1 week playing with my Diamond, so far never hang and everything looking good!
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ROM Version: 1.35.707.3 WWE
ROM Date: 28-5-08
Radio Version: 0.93.25.NS26
Protocal Version: 52.26.25.09H
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I am wondering if all the reviews that are out right now have the final rom (/the rom update that caused the delay in shippment of the first batch of Touch Diamonds)...
If not, we might see some differences and hopefully improvements on some of the issues that people report.
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I have thought about this too, I'm hopefull, that this is indeed the situation!
Regarding battery, I will get a second battery (normal, not extended) and the cradle that charges the device plus a spare battery. If I run out during the day, I will just swap batteries. Most days I won't need it, but it will be there if I do.
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Why on Earth would someone even consider buying this "could have been good, but sucked by HTC as always" ?
Just READ before you buy. You will HAVE the 3D support missing on other devices, though maybe for 2 hours only before recharging.
I was attracted, but this a NO-NO-No for sure
EDIT: any REVIEWS based on 20 minutes usage are NOT representative.
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Mate, seriously.. wtf?
I read that review... That guy likes the phone! It has several shortcomings, but it's obvious. As several people said it already, with that thin a phone, especially a WM, with SO MANY features, you're bound to have some compromises.. And this phone still rocks!
Secondly.. Check the coolsmartphone website.. The guy had it for a week (same as your reviewer), but he made the review into a video-blog! SEVERAL HOURS of pwnage video with the diamond! Obviously, it's not perfect.. but you get an almost full overview of the features..
Seriously, some people's expectations are waaaay high =/
Hey guys, possibly a biased place to be asking this but is it worth me buying this phone? I would get it on Orange for £25 a month when they get it back in stock
Unlimited texts, fair few minutes as well.
What are the APPS like for it? Do the pros outweigh the cons? Easy to type?
Sorry for the noob questions but I really need a new phone and this looks good.
I was originally thinking the LG Renoir but even with custom firmware it still sounds buggy.
Just wanna hear the opinions of people who have had the phone for a while and had to time to play about a bit
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Jacob
Shoud you buy it?
I had a SPV M700 for a while but it had limited internal ram (50mb useable) which restricted use of 3rd party software so i upgraded to a diamond.
I have been using it for a week and I am not impressed.
Its advertised as 198 / 256 ram depending on the version but actually only has 105mb usable ram.
There is a lot of lag when switching programs and you miss a lot of incoming calls due to lag in the slide to answer function.
It does not have a dedicated camera button. The camera is slow to take a pic as it has to autofocus before the shutter clicks.
My biggest gripe is the navigation pad. It is very low quality and awkward to manouvre that it is almost unusable. The M700 has a high quality precision pad which is a delight to use.
Battery life is particularly poor, lasting about a day and a half.
If you flash it with good cooked ROM Diamon becomes a good device but if you want only Stock SW else it isn't impressive...
"...I would get it on Orange for £25 a month when they get it back in stock
Unlimited texts, fair few minutes as well how you pay now." the question is: How much do I pay now?
D'rath
Well I would flash it with a cooked ROM
Does anyone have a site or thread which explains all about having a phone with Windows Mobile because I have never used the software before and would like to gain a basic understanding of modding the phone.
But still, do the pros outweigh the cons?
If not what would you recomend in the same price range?
Thanks
Jacob
Read XDA forums
WM is hard the first time: you must change a lot of things, registry hack etc... if you won't do that else buy iPhone or a basic cellphone.
D'rath
Well this is one of the best phone to have...
Infact i had HTC TOUCH before...then i got Diamond...this piece of art is so cool and delicate that initially you bound to take utmost care while using it...but in couple of weeks u will fell in love with this device...according to me its one of the best device to own
dont think 2ice go for it
vishalkishnani said:
Well this is one of the best phone to have...
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I'd second that. Having owned one for about 9 months I am still impressed by my HTC Diamond even (or particularly) when comparing to Iphones, Omnias, Palms etc.
Why? Mainly because it is VGA resolution, the SMALLEST Smartphone usable I found and cute.
Main thing is to get a good ROM ( I used the NAKED 2.03 one) and software of your choice and you are done. Costs around 100 Euros for me in terms of software but now it does EVERYTHING I need and want: Calendar Thumbcal, SBP Mobile Shell, G-Alarm, Lingvosoft Dictionaries, AudioTouch, Coreplayer, and Most Importantly: TouchPAL keyboard with Multi language support, plus some freeware tools). On Top TomTOm and you are done.
Battery life is around 3-4 days for me. But the UNIQUE SELLING PROPERTY is definitively the excellent small form factor and its beauty ;-)
Plus, now you should get it quite cheap (got mine for 180 Euros on ebay MINT).
Are you sure you get that much battery life.
Cause i had heard it doesnt last long, maximum a day.
Battery life is my major concern otherwise i am getting this phone.
The best is HD (big display makes diffence!!!)
2 days could be normal but if you call a lot, web, road Nav etc battery run away
On my HD 2 day with normal use
D'rath
In all honesty, I would say do not buy it.
Not because the phone is crap; I love my diamond, there are still parts I dislike but overall it's a keeper. My battery, with normal use, some gps, googlemapping, exchange direct push, 2 other mailboxes, 2 days on battery is certainly doable. The camera sucks though...fps is too low except in the best of lighting conditions. It is certainly NOT what the marketing shows it..
But, they are about to release the update (I thought they already did in europe?)
The new HTC google phones look nice, and will have all the functionality of this phone (including exchange).
The palm pre is nice also..a coworker just bought one..it doesn't have full exchange support yet (security policies). It really does seem like a nice phone..I wish I made more money I'd just buy all the cool phones and try them out. hah
Windows mobile is too outdated...they need to really get on the ball. HTC shouldn't have to create a layer on top to make it functional. And even then..the engine running behind the scenes is too slow, compared to the competition. I really think, unless you need an app that is only on windows mobile, get one of the other 3 phones (gphone, iphone, pre), or wait.
I dont care about the camera(coming from touch), so its still better for me.
Battery life is ma major concern, if it gets 2 days of normal usage than i am getting this phone.
OK its important question, please answer it.
How much time will the battery last if playing FM radio continously????
And is it worth buying used diamond for 200 USD??
Hmm, don't use FM radio much, but a lot of MP3 which should be similar. Though continuously??? probably a cheap radio for 10 $ is more suitable??
Anyway, with about one hour MP3s per day mine lasts 3 or four days depending on WIFI and HPS usage mainly.
Moreover, you can get a 30 Euros Battery which just adds 3mm thickness but 50% more battery which I will buy for sure once mine dies.
Compared to the PRE, I or G Phone, obviously they are nice, just in my opinion TOO BIG since you cannot write a novel anyhow on the device so I prefer one which compoares to very small phones, easily sits in the shirt pocket and is lightweight. Other than that, obviously go for a newer version, you get bit more speed and screen size.
In the end, its all a matter of taste and yes, Windows Mobile is crap but with Mobile Shell and other software, i hardly see it on my device.
Should you buy it?
It all depends on the type of person you are
If you are a gadget geek and like experimenting with new software etc then this is an ideal phone because there is lot of support, free, hacked and commercial software available.
Also
If you use Office software at work and need outllook / excell etc. on the move then buy it. The GPS and wifi functions are brilliant on this phone. The GPS coupled with TOMTOM is mile better than Iphone and for a lot less dollars.
On the other hand if you want a 100% reliable and user friendly phone then go for dedicated phone as this is a jack of all trades and will occasionally let you down.
The best analogy one can give is playing games on a PC and a playstation / xbox. The PC will occasionally freeze and need restarting whereas the PS/xbox will run the games flawlessly everytime BUT that is all they will do.
It doesn't look like anyone has posted the full review yet, so here you go.
Anandtech Review
Turns out the issue with performance was actually due to new drivers, which allow for the full suite of benchmarks to be run. As a result, the CPU gets throttled after all that torture testing.
The new benchmarks, done without running the full suite, are posted in the review.
OMG. The battery life IS atrocious. Lol.
Yeah the battery really is bad. Its the most concerning issue right now for me as I debate whether or not to pull the trigger on this. My biggest concern is the cellular talk time and the wifi hotspot time. Those things can't really be blamed on the cpu thermal throttling issues as neither are CPU intensive tasks. Would a software update really even have the potential to fix those particular benchmarks?
EDIT: Unless the radio drivers are just really poor? That might explain the bad benchmarks on web browsing too since data would be in use the entire time for those benchmarks as well. Maybe then there is hope for a software improvement to battery life? I really hate buying things based on what they might be able to do in the future vs what I know they can do now
TheSopranos16 said:
Yeah the battery really is bad. Its the most concerning issue right now for me as I debate whether or not to pull the trigger on this. My biggest concern is the cellular talk time and the wifi hotspot time. Those things can't really be blamed on the cpu thermal throttling issues as neither are CPU intensive tasks. Would a software update really even have the potential to fix those particular benchmarks?
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Not if you want to fry your internals. Lol.
I'm guessing that the heat cannot dissipate effectively because of the screen on the front which is emanating heat, and the damn wireless inductive charging pad which is, in my mind, like a blanket. And I'm not even sure how effective glass is at displacing heat when couple with plastic.
But actually, cellular talk does release heat. Have you not noticed your phone getting hot when talking for extended periods of time? I believe the radio chip gets hot, maybe not necessarily the CPU. Regardless of where the heat is coming from, however, the sensors may still pick up on it. *shrugs*.
I'd advise you to wait 3 ~ 4 weeks if you can. Don't waste your time being the early adopter and wasting time dealing with early-release issues.
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I'd advise you to wait 3 ~ 4 weeks if you can. Don't waste your time being the early adopter and wasting time dealing with early-release issues.
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Well, every bad for a good we say where I'm from.
Looks like a whole bunch of us are gonna wait for exactly that.
On the review, keep in mind that we're not sure what version of the software all those test units use. Probably an unfinished version..
It hasn't really come together for me...
- No 32GB or Micro SD
- Poor battery life still, the update hasn't fixed it
- Poor benchmark results
I wanted to buy cause I thought it would be a bargain powerhouse but in the end it is obvious why the thing is so cheap. I'll just wait for my upgrade in April and get the GS4 if that is any good but until then my GS2 is doing just fine.
Seems fine.. compared to the Galaxy Nexus, which I regularly get 2 days at at time out of, the battery rates about the same, so no worries for me.
well, iv been "forced" to wait now, i was trying to order earlier today in the UK, but maybe it was a good thing i didnt get it yet
Well the "battery" test involves using chrome so...chrome sucks lot of power
not realy a good battery test imho
hippieschuh said:
Well the "battery" test involves using chrome so...chrome sucks lot of power
not realy a good battery test imho
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Agreed. Chrome really isn't ready for prime time in my experience. Even on my Nexus 7, I use dolphin and its much smoother and faster than Chrome.
So even if we throw out the browser tests because of Chrome, why the low talk times compared to other phones with smaller batteries?
My take away is:
Software - Great
Design - Great
Performance - Good, could get better with kernels
Camera - Par
Battery Life - Par
More realistic than the sky high expectations set by everyone for a $350 off-contract phone.
Venekor said:
It hasn't really come together for me...
- No 32GB or Micro SD
- Poor battery life still, the update hasn't fixed it
- Poor benchmark results
I wanted to buy cause I thought it would be a bargain powerhouse but in the end it is obvious why the thing is so cheap. I'll just wait for my upgrade in April and get the GS4 if that is any good but until then my GS2 is doing just fine.
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I'm sorry but benchmarks mean sweet FA. My GNex is faster in actual usage than my One X although the One X is 3 times faster in Quadrant. Battery life is completely subject to usage - I don't believe their graphs as my One X is pitiful compared to my Nexus. Whereas me Nexus would be at 80%+ at this time of day my One X is currently sitting at 62% as I type with the same minimal work day usage
Really wanted this phone, but there are a number of areas that mean quite a lot to me to be honest, it hasn't really delivered:-
1. Battery life - no getting away from it, its poor. Marginally better than the GNex but no so much you would notice, despite a bigger battery.
2. Camera quality - Yes again, its better (not difficult), but somehow, it just isn't as good as it could be. Slightly slow shutter speed, average quality.
3. Audio quality - We haven't yet seen the full score with that, but again, the consensus seems to be "average"
4. Storage capacity - even less than the GNex (8/16 vs 16/32). We don't all have access to 4G internet and no limits to store all of our files in the cloud.
Now, yes I appreciate this is really nit-picking but I'm not really unhappy with the performance of my GNex, and it will still get the update. It is not slow, or choppy, and as such, with the values of the GNex how they stand, I'm reluctant to fork out £150 to upgrade to a phone, which no doubt is an upgrade, but not one you'll notice very easily.
As it stands, I'm thinking that vanilla android alone is not enough to make it a worthwhile swap over something like an HTC One X+, despite the price difference. OK the N4 has a faster CPU and more RAM, but I'm not much of games player, but it has a better screen, camera, sound quality and more storage. Or a Galaxy Note which is just as fast, much better battery life, bigger screen, expandable, better camera etc.
I can see why this phone is cheaper than the competition TBH. I am a big fan of Vanilla Android, but there can be no denying it plays second fiddle on *most* specs (all but RAM, CPU and , possibly screen).
BUT, I'll probably still get one, LOL.
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I'm sorry but benchmarks mean sweet FA. My GNex is faster in actual usage than my One X although the One X is 3 times faster in Quadrant. Battery life is completely subject to usage - I don't believe their graphs as my One X is pitiful compared to my Nexus. Whereas me Nexus would be at 80%+ at this time of day my One X is currently sitting at 62% as I type with the same minimal work day usage
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Yeh one thing that puzzles me is they have the LTE One X topping the charts for most of the battery tests alongside the iPhone. However, wasn't the One X knocked for only having a 1800 mAH battery and poor battery life? Or was that only for the Tegra One X?
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Yeh one thing that puzzles me is they have the LTE One X topping the charts for most of the battery tests alongside the iPhone. However, wasn't the One X knocked for only having a 1800 mAH battery and poor battery life? Or was that only for the Tegra One X?
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Thoughtful said:
Yeh one thing that puzzles me is they have the LTE One X topping the charts for most of the battery tests alongside the iPhone. However, wasn't the One X knocked for only having a 1800 mAH battery and poor battery life? Or was that only for the Tegra One X?
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I should really qualify my last statement with I'm currently running the JB test build from HTC (as I'm a member of Elevate) so it's not on the final build but even on ICS it was poor compared to my Nexus. I can't see me having any issues with the N4 as I don't game/listen to music on my phone - it's purely a communication tool so email/FB/Twitter/SMSs/calls is the order of the day for me
Benchmarking wise the Nexus 4 is a joke. People were talking about this miraculous ota that will make it better but nothing happened. The camera isn't among the best and battery life sucks. Jeez, iPhone 5 with LTE is way better than the 3G Nexus 4. We can hate on Apple as much as we want but sometimes they get the job done way better than android makers/vendors.
I wanted this phone so bad but now I can wait to see what happens.
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The sad part is tests rarely reflect reality, people get poor battery life on the iPhone 5 despite the controlled tests suggesting it should have excellent battery life, moral of the story is YMMV, its not as cut and dry as raw data correlating to reproducible performance. The benchmarks aren't great so there is one criteria left and that is how it performs in real world usage cause I'm not going to benchmarking like a maniac as it serves no benefit, as I actually want to use my phone. I'd say it passes that criteria well from numerous reviews. Camera quality (video) is reportedly improved though have to wait for Anandtech to update the review and upload new videos. I'll be getting mine in December wanna wait for some cases and then pull the trigger on the purchase
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Benchmarking wise the Nexus 4 is a joke. People were talking about this miraculous ota that will make it better but nothing happened. The camera isn't among the best and battery life sucks. Jeez, iPhone 5 with LTE is way better than the 3G Nexus 4. We can hate on Apple as much as we want but sometimes they get the job done way better than android makers/vendors.
I wanted this phone so bad but now I can wait to see what happens.
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Benchmarking wise benchmarking doesn't have to do with anything. Jesus.....
I'm assuming all these reports of poor battery life include Google Now being enabled. I know its a key feature on JB(4.1/4.2) but I use it on CM10 now and its a HUGE battery drainer. When i turn it off, my battery life is markedly better. I'm assuming if you turn it off with the N4 you'll see better battery life.
Hi folks,
I just ordered a Nexus 6.
I currently have a m7vzw (Verizon HTC One M7), and cut my teeth here rigging s-off and root, and then trying many different ROMS for it. My needs are pretty simple and, as you can see from the title, I like long battery life.
I currently run Vanilla AOSP 4.4.4 and minimal edition gapps. Light email push from gmail and to MS Outlook for work. Very little surfing and phone use. No extraneous apps, and no social networking apps. I typically need to charge up every 6-7 days.
Any suggestions for some ROMS to consider here? I never exceeded 3 days on my current phone using 5.x with the same usage and configuration. I quit trying after a while.
Thanks for your time
Errrr... I guess if you leave WiFi and data off you might get a couple days if you don't use screen often? Most get 3-6hrs screen on time to give a day to a day and a half?
Probably not getting 6 days, if you are, your spending way to much for your phone, because you obviously are not using it [emoji14]
Lol seriously though. You're the type of phone user to get a months use out of a ZeroLemon battery.
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I have near-constant access to much more powerful equipment for business and gaming. I have some very specific needs that my phone addresses.
Is there a better place I could post the question? Does anyone here have the expertise to provide useful answers? Or does the sarcasm indicate that this device has stupidly low battery life, regardless of which ROM is used?
I fun stock 5.1.1 unencrypted, with Lean Kernel and a flashed.zip of the drives from the M preview.
I went from 7PM Sunday night to 3:44PM Wednesday Afternoon before charging my phone. I also have very light usage like you. That included 30+hrs of music listening, 2hrs SOT, a few camera shots and all my Google, work email, and Skype accts on ans syncing,
Seems to me that android M will work out for you.........I run M preview 3 currently and made it last weekend from unplugging Friday around 12 noon and plugged in Monday (labor day) forgot my charger at work over the weekend, but plugged in Monday around 11:30am and still had to about 25% remaining, had to use an old charger (not turbo charger) but I was afraid it would die overnight while I was sleeping and the alarm would not go off for work Tuesday. I don't remember what all my stats were, but very light usage since like I said, my turbo charger was at work
Good luck, nexus 6 is a great phone and tweaked right should yield very good standby time
Thanks
SoulSherpa said:
I have near-constant access to much more powerful equipment for business and gaming. I have some very specific needs that my phone addresses.
Is there a better place I could post the question? Does anyone here have the expertise to provide useful answers? Or does the sarcasm indicate that this device has stupidly low battery life, regardless of which ROM is used?
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which rom or kernel you use will not have any influence on your battery life. battery life is determined by your personal use, your personal set up, which apps you decide to install, and very much your phone/data signal quality. everything else has very littke affect on battery. that said, i personally see about 5.5-7h screen on time. and that pretty decent. but 6 days battery, while using your device, youll never see. only if you dont use your device for long periods of time and if you have your signal turned off.
SoulSherpa said:
I have near-constant access to much more powerful equipment for business and gaming. I have some very specific needs that my phone addresses.
Is there a better place I could post the question? Does anyone here have the expertise to provide useful answers? Or does the sarcasm indicate that this device has stupidly low battery life, regardless of which ROM is used?
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lol
the device doesnt have stupid low battery, your previous experience, and expectations are stupid high.
tbh, short of turning off data when the screen is off, and having extremely light use (like almost none), i couldnt even speculate what phones could go that distance consistently, short of leaving the phone sit there like a paper weight and never using it.
not trying to be smart, just being realistic, given my experience with about a dozen flagship smart phones over the years.
the guy who commented about the zero lemon battery might have been being funny, but seriously, for the longevity you expect, you should be looking at phones that have zl support.
i have a g3 with a zl battery. with average use you can get 5 days or more, and easily increasing with lighter use.
i tested the n6 before for life with less than 1% use vs time, and it was in the range of 6 days. but that was running a premium rom and kernel and strong service always.
where the n6 excels imo is for the normal user. i have shown proof of 8 to 11 hours screen time during a normal days use consistently.
most people are happy to make it through the day, and charge nightly while you sleep. when you state an expectation of 5-6 days, the comments are undoubtedly not going to be up to your expectations.
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which rom or kernel you use will not have any influence on your battery life
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I respectfully disagree. I tried several ROMs on my current HTC One. On average, the late 4.x series lasted twice as long as the 5.x series with the same apps, usage and locations. I realize you can attribute whatever battery life fail was added to the OS as "personal set up" or "app". But it is what it is.
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lol the device doesnt have stupid low battery, your previous experience, and expectations are stupid high.
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My expectations? I've been charging my phone once a week for several months. I went through several configurations to get it that way.
Obviously my use case for the phone is different from yours. I typically use under 300 minutes talk, under 300 texts, and under 500 MB data monthly. But I depend on email push throughout the day, need text and voice when there's an issue, and need reliable data and a good screen for remoting to my servers if there's a problem.
I don't give people grief about how they use their phones. Evidently it's a fun and popular thing to do here. Good luck with that.
Thanks for the statistical info. The bulk of the battery case is duly noted as a last resort.
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I respectfully disagree. I tried several ROMs on my current HTC One. On average, the late 4.x series lasted twice as long as the 5.x series with the same apps, usage and locations. I realize you can attribute whatever battery life fail was added to the OS as "personal set up" or "app". But it is what it is.
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honestly, i have no ideas about an htc, considering that my last htc was the g1, which i got in oct of 2008, lol. but whatever rom that you use on a nexus, does not have anything in it for battery life, besides whats in it from stock android. now some kernels do add in things that can help YOU save battery, by how you use or setup your device, but they just wont save you battery on their own. well, they will, buy not enough to notice. unfortunately @SoulSherpa, many people have tried to prove me wrong over the many years ive been with android, but none have. just because people claim better battery with one rom over another, doesnt actually make it real. people believe many things, much of it is not true.
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My expectations? I've been charging my phone once a week for several months. I went through several configurations to get it that way.
Obviously my use case for the phone is different from yours. I typically use under 300 minutes talk, under 300 texts, and under 500 MB data monthly. But I depend on email push throughout the day, need text and voice when there's an issue, and need reliable data and a good screen for remoting to my servers if there's a problem.
I don't give people grief about how they use their phones. Evidently it's a fun and popular thing to do here. Good luck with that.
Thanks for the statistical info. The bulk of the battery case is duly noted as a last resort.
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its not different from mine, its different from 99.9999% of all other users.
i typically use under 50min a MONTH, under 200 texts a MONTH, and data, well im grandfathered so thats nothing to discuss.
how others use their phone is representative to how the manufacturers design them, for the average user who charges daily.
you appear to perceive my previous comments as sarcastic and statistical, the further could be from my intention.
i have a rather extensive android knowledge from helping other users for about 5 years. your expectations of any device are highly irregular.
we are merely attempting to make you aware of that, however unsuccessful at the moment...
The reason people treat your question like its weird is pretty simple:
While with minimal and careful usage phones can get through multiple days of usage, the battery life your suggesting, on any android phone, is going to require very little screen on time, limiting the hell out of its data connections, ect...
If you are seriously just trying to have an emergency phone that you can make calls on occasionally and fire up a terminal to remote into your server to check status or run a command or two.... Why are you paying for a 6inch screen with ultra HD display, a powerful processor, dual front facing speakers.... All this stuff that only serves to drain battery and add weight if your not using your phone for entertainment.
Your looking to pay extra for specs you don't need on a device with only "adequate" battery life instead of getting a modest phone that won't consume as much, with an external battery case that would probably let it run a couple weeks for you....
my nexus 5, without sim card, in airplane mode, brightness all the way down, can last me around 3 weeks. but, thats with 0 use. 6 days, with a nexus 6, should be possible, even easy enough.
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Because larger screens make remoting much, much easier. Especially when it's a GUI. So, a "phablet" sized phone has always been appealing.
Further, I've been waiting for a "good deal" and the price dropped to $350. My m7vzw had its radio neutered (thanks Verizon), so when I switched to Ting (t-mobile) GSM my data speed hit the floor with EDGE only. The Nexus 6 has nice radio band support.
Have you considered a small tablet? (7 inch or so). You could set up a Google voice account and do all your calls/texts over WiFi/cell data. You'd get a far better battery life with far less effort to do so, and itd be even better for remote access.
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Have you considered a small tablet?
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I have, and you make a good point. But I still want something I can holster since I don't normally carry a man-pack or utilikilt
This Nexus 6 is pushing it for size -- the holster is huge. But the screen real estate is nice.
FYI, I'm currently running CleanCore:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/rom-cleancore-vomer-100-lean-stock-03-t3059199
...and I seem to be on-track to meet or exceed the six day goal with my light usage (email checks and texts throughout the day, occasional remote, occasional surfing, occasional phone call).
My nexus 7 fits in my pocket no problem. And I'm a fairly average sized male.