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Trying to upgrade - i-mate PDA2k DEAD !!!

I try to upgrade my i-mate PDA2K (italian) with Helmi Windows Mobile 6 Profesional R0 ...
The program started, recognize my PDA:
Your device software is about to be update from :
Device CE image version : 1.12.24
Device Extended image version : 1.12.168
Device Radio image version : 1.02.00
To :
CE image version : 5.60.00
Extended image version :
Radio image version :
While the update is in progress, your device will act as though it
is outside of network coverage. So, all your calls will be diverted
to your Answer Phone, and any messages will be delivered
once the update is completed.
Please click Update to continue.
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After then, remain stucked on:
Checking the information on your device ... Please wait ...
Please don't disconnect your device from your PC or
the power supply until the update is completed.
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PDA is off, nothing happen... I was wait about 1/2 hour and then I take my PDA from cradle...
Nothing happen...
Now, the only thing I see is SERIAL (top of screen when out of cradle and USB when I put the PDA on cradle) and v2.06 (down to screen).
Try to reset, hard reset... nothing...
Can anyone help an moron like me ??? (I'm reaaly moron, not practice with the PDA's)
(I use Vista Business, I update Windows Media Device Center before this...)
Regards...

read wiki?
Did you follow the steps as indicated in the wiki? As you upgrade from 2003:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade1_WM2003SE0
See next page for Vista related issues...
Read and good luck!

Yes, I follow that steps...
The problem now is: I cannot acces my PDA, I can't revive it...
How can do that ?
Thanks...

Hi, You say:
Now, the only thing I see is SERIAL (top of screen when out of cradle and USB when I put the PDA on cradle) and v2.06 (down to screen).
Well i guess this is the bootloader, so when you connect the phone to the cradle you can upgrade??
Success

As MuratNL says: you are in bootloader. Connect the cradle (with PDA) to your PC (SERIAL changes to USB). Now execute the rom upgrade file from your PC and upgrade should begin.
If you have problems with connection and Vista read wiki (see above link) or try the upgrade from a WinXP machine...

I try this, but nothing happen.... Tonight I try with an XP Pc...

OK, I follow the guide posted by bins and everything goes OK...
(The I put an Italian ROM [ WM6 ] and run perfectly)
Thanks

Just a quick note:
i've experienced that thing so many times
that it's safe to say that:
IF the rom copying aint started yet, meaning YOU DONT SEE the % screen...
and if you've been waiting for that to appear so long...
and you're stuck at the:
Checking the information on your device ... Please wait ...
Please don't disconnect your device from your PC or
the power supply until the update is completed.
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you can disconnect the BA to the cradle withouth harming the BA.
1. you can disconnect/takeoff the BA from the cable
2. on pc, terminate the upgrade process
(taskmanager terminate the RUU - "MaUpgradeUt_NoID.exe")
3. reconnect your BA still on "Serial/USB" screen
4. restart your RUU again...
that would work flawlessly. trust me. i can vouch for that.
unless you saw the Rom Copy % Screen...
"DONT TOUCH YOUR UNIT or YOUR PC or YOUR CABLES"

Big Problem?

I was performing the radio update on my MDAIII and now he hangs in the bootloader with USB in the upper middle und 2.08 in the under middle. All resets won`t bring it back to life. If I try to reinstall the update all I get is a blank message screen (update from version to version) in my Vista. How can I get out of there.
I did everything what was stated here
The original BAUpgradeUT won`t find my device. The MAUpgradeUt_noID.exe gives me the blank screen with the update from to screen.

Drake008 said:
I was performing the radio update on my MDAIII and now he hangs in the bootloader with USB in the upper middle und 2.08 in the under middle. All resets won`t bring it back to life. If I try to reinstall the update all I get is a blank message screen (update from version to version) in my Vista. How can I get out of there.
I did everything what was stated here
The original BAUpgradeUT won`t find my device. The MAUpgradeUt_noID.exe gives me the blank screen with the update from to screen.
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I'm using a Vista PC.
After the Radio update to 1.15 the error described above is not to go away yet.
What to do, I'm nearly in tears.

Finally I got it back but with an old Romupdate from T-Online. Is there someone who got the QTC 9090 update (latest one)

That was fast..
im glad you solved your problem.
i think someone here has it.
just post what you need and make it as a title for others to read in the digest.

Im not a expert but is vista the problem??

Most likely.

Failed MDA II flash with vista notebook
Hello everybody,
I just read this thread in hope to find a solution for my problem, which is quite similar to the one described here initially.
I got a used MDA III with T_Mobile ROM. Since I'm a customer with O2, I wanted to change the ROM to O2 as well. I followed the directions given in an other thread here (don't have the link just now) and during the flashing, the flash application suddenly had no connection to my MDA III anymore. It was securely settled in its craddle an connected to my laptop via USB. Now my MDA III is stuck in Bootloader Mode with USB v2.07 displayed on the screen.
Each retry of installing either the O2 or the T_Mobile ROM now meet with the error 101: no connection. I read here that you managed to update successfully with a vista pc. Thus I wanted to ask, how you did that since I just don't seem to find the reason for the connection failing each time.
Here is what i tried to establish connection so far:
* disabled virus scanner & firewall
* unplugged the mda III and plugged it in again. It was recognized as a new device but that didn't help the connection issue
Could you please post what you did to make the update work under vista? Help would be greatly appreciated

mda3newbie said:
Hello everybody,
I just read this thread in hope to find a solution for my problem, which is quite similar to the one described here initially.
I got a used MDA III with T_Mobile ROM. Since I'm a customer with O2, I wanted to change the ROM to O2 as well. I followed the directions given in an other thread here (don't have the link just now) and during the flashing, the flash application suddenly had no connection to my MDA III anymore. It was securely settled in its craddle an connected to my laptop via USB. Now my MDA III is stuck in Bootloader Mode with USB v2.07 displayed on the screen.
Each retry of installing either the O2 or the T_Mobile ROM now meet with the error 101: no connection. I read here that you managed to update successfully with a vista pc. Thus I wanted to ask, how you did that since I just don't seem to find the reason for the connection failing each time.
Here is what i tried to establish connection so far:
* disabled virus scanner & firewall
* unplugged the mda III and plugged it in again. It was recognized as a new device but that didn't help the connection issue
Could you please post what you did to make the update work under vista? Help would be greatly appreciated
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Try on computer with Windows XP and kill activesynk (wcecomm.exe on taskmanager/processes)
Maybe it will work. If u cant flash O2 ROM try to use "MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe". On my Qtek 9090 allways flash using this APPS and allways work.
U can try too format device first, put it on candle and use "mtty1.42.exe". On XP, kill active sync, and open mtty1.42.exe and select port USB and put OK. Do "Enter" on command and should appear USB>. After this write Task 28. This will format all your PC. Try install SO after this. This command delete all files on PPC. I have attach files that you maybe need.

thankfor the tipp and sorry for my late reply. Since I have no XP PC available i tried the mtty1.42.exe on my vista notebook. When i run it however, it only lists com port 1-3, no usb port. Do i have to make a special configuration on vista for it to work?
Thanks in advance,
mda3newbie

mda3newbie said:
thankfor the tipp and sorry for my late reply. Since I have no XP PC available i tried the mtty1.42.exe on my vista notebook. When i run it however, it only lists com port 1-3, no usb port. Do i have to make a special configuration on vista for it to work?
Thanks in advance,
mda3newbie
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In vista i dont know...sorry for my late reply too.... in XP u must kill ActiveSync process called wincecom.exe. in vista, maybe u have to kill the Windows Mobile Device Center....i dont know...
Dont forget, put the Qtek 9090 in Boot Loader Mode (Pressing Power Button + Record Button + Reset), maybe will appear USB and u can format the device.
If this does not work, try on Windows XP....Find a friend with Windows XP and ask him to use his PC only to do that.
Maybe somebody in forum have the Windows Vista and can help u....
Sorry my terrible english....

Sjogos said:
Try on computer with Windows XP and kill activesynk (wcecomm.exe on taskmanager/processes)
Maybe it will work. If u cant flash O2 ROM try to use "MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe". On my Qtek 9090 allways flash using this APPS and allways work.
U can try too format device first, put it on candle and use "mtty1.42.exe". On XP, kill active sync, and open mtty1.42.exe and select port USB and put OK. Do "Enter" on command and should appear USB>. After this write Task 28. This will format all your PC. Try install SO after this. This command delete all files on PPC. I have attach files that you maybe need.
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hi guys I tried the step by step process and when im enterin( Task 28 ) then pressed Enter -
Invalid command : Task28
For a help screen, use command ? or h
does any one know where the problem is??

Try this
Downlaod the XDA IIs .exe file and run it - no need to put into USB mode
http://www.o2online.ie/wps/wcm/conn...es+&+accessories/Xda+Range/Software+upgrades/
this should reset to factory default (o2)
it runs on vista too
I am not 100% sure it will work but worth a try

diesel_dog said:
Im not a expert but is vista the problem??
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Yes, i know my reply is late but the problem ist 100% Vista! i Tryed 2 ours with vista...then i decided to format my pc and to install XP. At the first try it worked!

D810 w/WM6 upgrading fail, error 260

I've spent whole day reading through the froum and the trinityguides.info site but can't find any proposed solution to work for my situation.
Device info:
ROM version: 3.00.707.17 (WM6)
ROM Date: 6/29/07
Radio version: 1.46.00.11
I've tried using all 3 versions of hard-spl but they all end up with the same result. With active sync linked and ready, ran the "romupdateutility.exe" at the end the PDA prompts if I want to run the "enterbootloader.exe", the moment I press yes the active sync connection would drop and eventually the program timed out with error "260" while PDA stuck in the tri color screen displaying the following:
TRIN100
SPL-1.07.ds
I've found some similar problems in the forum but those users are using vista however I am running XP sp3 in this case. I've tried all other solutions in the FAQ areas but none of them works.
My unit came with the WM6 already but I just want to upgrade the radio and get some cooked ROM to get faster performance. What am I missing here?
Any help is appreciated.

Once it drops to the tri-colour screen and is in bootloader, run the RUU again. Should be all that you need.

I've tried running it over and over but on the bottom it just kept on saying "serial" when it suppose to say USB.
Anyways, problem solved and it turned out to be the cable. For some reason the cable is good for anything, except keeping the phone connected/recognized while in bootloader mode.
I think this should be listed as one of the FAQ in the trinityguide. This might be a rare problem but it surely took me a lot time to figure out.

on Vista
Hi,
I have similar problem but I'm using Vista (Business). Is there any workaround ?
Regards,
Daneal

Hi
I have the same problem
spl 1.20 Olipro display serial instead of usb
I tryed several usb cables and still the same
when trying to update the rom it refuse to connect the ppc and end displayng the 260 error no connection
My system is vista and the first time I upgrade everything was fine, I followed all tutorials and no problem at all.
Do you think that could be this new 6.1 Mobile device center I recent install the cause?
best regards
Inabox

The problem isn't the WMC as such more the fact its Vista. Find an XP PC and do it from there.

Hi there, I had the same problem just now and cured it(in Vista). Just upgrade the htc driver in device manager again with "wceusbsh.inf" previous file, then should be ok. It seem to be Vista replaced the driver during it switched to Tri color menu.....

Who wants to try a new way to go out from stuck splash screen?

Hi I have a problem trying to exit from bootloader a PDA's friend, so how can I get to work the mtty?
Sometimes i gain exit with mtty of bootloader screen just kill usb conn in activesyng letthe device in bootloader an conect... select USB port click on OK button and then task 28 erase DOC Chip and then task 28 55aa ready to reflash the same rom that has the problem.
but now i try it on my device an aku3 ipl spl 3.08... on bootloader in a PC Vaio with XP home SP3and....
it say invalid comand
so the dir is CMD
NOT USB
how can i get usb on the dir?
Any body knows?
i had the mtty .01, 2.11 and 1.42 and no one works
any idea?

SADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody stole my wizard last night i was waiting for the BUS and two guys atacks me with a knife, they took my Wizard and my money. Again... and in some part i saw somebody called INSANAVACA saying that when the Mtty shows CMD we can put "format" and then choose the A character or B character... one of those options is the OS the other one... Neither him knows jeje and dont remember which one to chose... it starts to clean the DOC Chip.
It maybe works... i cant test it so if anyone can do it please, answer this maybe it works and we can get out of the Splash screens and bootloader stucks.
A long time ago I did this steps but the mtty shows me USB. full charge your batt, remove your SD and SIM card... enter in bootloaders... uncheck the activesync allow USB conection and kill Wcescomm.exe in Win XP taskmanager plug your device to usb, open mtty in all the places works even in the desktop... select USB in the drop menu... a blank screen will appear hit enter if it shows USB your done then... type:
task 28 (hit enter)
--it starts tho the cleaning--- done...
task 28 55aa (it works again in the same thing)
Close the mtty dont unplug your device and reflash it with the stock rom 2.26 Tmobile if you unplug the device you can try to plug it again but in the same port... (but my device is SuperCID unlocked) then goes to the custom ROM.
Maybe the "format" can works if in blank screen shows CMD... try it and let us know what happend ok?
I use the 1.42 Version.

hey thanks for the reply on my thread.maybe we can discuss my problem here.
my wizard is stuck at 2nd splash (the one with the ipl,spl,gsm and os versions)
falshing another rom do not fix the problem. ive even downgraded to several WM5 roms like wizard love, button rom and xda-mini s launcher.
i have a g3 cid sim unlocked wizard.
then lately i noticed, after attempting another manual hard reset, it says formatting failed. so maybe i need to force reset it using a pc. but wizard service tool wont work coz it will only work when synced on the pc.
can mtty forceley reset (hard reset) my wizard? how should i do it? what are the commands? thanks

i've read a thread and read meistrinis reply where he pointed out this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276963
hope this one works for me

lets check it!
dielo said:
i've read a thread and read meistrinis reply where he pointed out this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276963
hope this one works for me
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I have redirect to a Universal commands for mtty but i cant be for sure if all works for wizards!
So download the mtty 1.42
Unplug your MiniSD card
Put your Wizard in bootloader mode
Kill the wcescomm or put in activesync not allow usb conections
then open the mtty
in ports or conectios you will see
com1
com2
com3
IRDA
USB
More or less I dont know deppending how many ports does your pc have.
choose USB
Be sure that your batt is almost 80% a 100% will be great but with 80% is fine
After choose USB dont move anymore and click ok... or connect something like that.
A blank white screen appear....
Then hit enter if it shows USB> type exactly this:
task 28
(it will work on something like clean the DOC CHIP at the end will show again USB>)
then type exactly this:
task 28 55aa
It will work again on something and
It will prepare the DOC Chip for the OS (FORMAT)
The device stills on bootloader so close the mtty dont unplug the device and downgrade to an original ROM WM5
These are the steps if the MTTY shows USB>
Select the USB port
hit enter in white screen
If it shows CMD>
type in the white screen after the CMD>
format
It will shows you what to choose option A or OPTION B
Here is the problem... Which one we need to choose...
and reflash an original ROM.
Tell us what happends please.
I HAVE MORE COMANDS but for G4 AND WHY IT WONT SHOWS USB!!!!!
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_BootLoader

+ Que PPC said:
I have redirect to a Universal commands for mtty but i cant be for sure if all works for wizards!
So download the mtty 1.42
Unplug your MiniSD card
Put your Wizard in bootloader mode
Kill the wcescomm or put in activesync not allow usb conections
then open the mtty
in ports or conectios you will see
com1
com2
com3
IRDA
USB
More or less I dont know deppending how many ports does your pc have.
choose USB
Be sure that your batt is almost 80% a 100% will be great but with 80% is fine
After choose USB dont move anymore and click ok... or connect something like that.
A blank white screen appear....
Then hit enter if it shows USB> type exactly this:
task 28
(it will work on something like clean the DOC CHIP at the end will show again USB>)
then type exactly this:
task 28 55aa
It will work again on something and
It will prepare the DOC Chip for the OS (FORMAT)
The device stills on bootloader so close the mtty dont unplug the device and downgrade to an original ROM WM5
These are the steps if the MTTY shows USB>
Select the USB port
hit enter in white screen
If it shows CMD>
type in the white screen after the CMD>
format
It will shows you what to choose option A or OPTION B
Here is the problem... Which one we need to choose...
and reflash an original ROM.
Tell us what happends please.
I HAVE MORE COMANDS but for G4 AND WHY IT WONT SHOWS USB!!!!!
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_BootLoader
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hey thanks, though drug_store's method worked for me and now my wizard is working and i have update 3 for my rom. still a big thanks to you for the starting point on where to look at.

Congrats Men!!!!
dielo said:
hey thanks, though drug_store's method worked for me and now my wizard is working and i have update 3 for my rom. still a big thanks to you for the starting point on where to look at.
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Very good men!!! you're welcome.
Even if this method still hasn't been proved.

Here's a reason i'm taking Rom's out from Stickies.
So there's space for the important things like this on..
Let's face it sometimes a new thread on Bootfreezes and Bricks is more useful then an old one that people get discouraged by, because of it's length.
Made this one Sticky.

Noonski said:
Here's a reason i'm taking Rom's out from Stickies.
So there's space for the important things like this on..
Let's face it sometimes a new thread on Bootfreezes and Bricks is more useful then an old one that people get discouraged by, because of it's length.
Made this one Sticky.
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great. you're right. thread like this should be stickied.

Wow
Stickie!!! hahaha so glad too see it thanks but.... is not prooved yet... so does anybody wants to try... damn if i had my wizard ...

It gets more renewed Attention to the most important problem.

Maybe....
You've got right!!!
I will make a deal With Tvaril to buy him his wizard but i need more info about to receive packages World wide. and the way to pay jeje...
I hope it can be truth in an easy way.

in the mtty, when i pres enter it getc CMD, when i type format it gets unavailable comand, so im still stuck on the align screen some other help

Man it sucks!!!!
But in sync screen?
Damn this is new huh!
I dont know what else can we do...
does you try to reflash again an originla ROM?
maybe ayou are in troubles cause your battery is too low...

display damage
i just find out that i damaged the lcd with the f****** glue. i was trying to glue the mask and the glue went on the LCD so i f***** up.
by the way the battery was full recharged, and everything was done like you said.

it sound very bad men!!!!!!
Does the display works? or it has issues?
maybe you can find a display.. so sorry to heard that.

Thank you!
thanks for this mate i was using mtty in vista using the compatiblity patch...
i downloaded all the 4 things who know they may be useful at some point of time for me when i need to do stuff.
Have a good day!
Regards,
Sam

good to hear it... but
why dont post the compatibility patch for all members?
come on share it here men!

I download mtty a while back, you know, just in case. Wellllllll, just in case happened yesterday. Mtty made it easy as pie and quick, too. Now, baby's fine and reflashed and happy again!

my friend has the same problem as this, his wizard g4 stuck on splashscreen when he flash love_rom using How to flash a new ROM to your Wizard... a little tutorial!. His problem was solved if he flash rom using this manual (I'm sorry for czech link, english version by Google translator)

T-MOBILE MDA III - Qtek 9090 please help (I from CZECH REPUBLIC)

Hi I from CZ and I have problem with my MDA III
what can I do ? please
"bootloader doesn't work and master reset too doesn't work" please help i dont know how to flash i was read much tutorials there but I not found a right tutorial please help me I dont know what i can do I form CZ and my mail is [email protected] ( kdyby nekdo z CR na to narazil tak mi prosim napiste a domluvime se na icq treba klidne kdybych to rozjel tak poslu i nejake penize nebo tak akorat mi prosim napiste co nejdriv ve stredu jdu jinak do servisu ale tam to bude stat hodne ) (this is PH20B

actually, depending on your screenshot, your device is exactly ready to flash, you just gotta put it in the cradle ad start flashing it with whatever rom you want. because what you see there is the bootloader:
How to enter into the so-called Bootlader mode on the HTC Blue Angel devices
Note: entering Bootloader mode will result a Hard Reset if you have WM2003SE on your device!
1. Press Power + record (above the volume slider) + softreset at the same time.
2. You should see a white screen with "Serial" text on it and the Bootloader version.
3. Put your device into the cradle
4. Make sure that the charger of your PDA is connected to the cradle.
5. The text should change to "USB" now.
what i want to say is, start flashing following the WIKI Wizard or several step by step guides to be found in the wiki and the forum

Chef_Tony said:
actually, depending on your screenshot, your device is exactly ready to flash, you just gotta put it in the cradle ad start flashing it with whatever rom you want. because what you see there is the bootloader:
How to enter into the so-called Bootlader mode on the HTC Blue Angel devices
Note: entering Bootloader mode will result a Hard Reset if you have WM2003SE on your device!
1. Press Power + record (above the volume slider) + softreset at the same time.
2. You should see a white screen with "Serial" text on it and the Bootloader version.
3. Put your device into the cradle
4. Make sure that the charger of your PDA is connected to the cradle.
5. The text should change to "USB" now.
what i want to say is, start flashing following the WIKI Wizard or several step by step guides to be found in the wiki and the forum
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I want go to bootloader menu but is dont work I press Power +record+softt reset with stylus but it doesnot work and when I conect MDA with cabel to COM this cable in not USB and active sync not found MDA and when I start update with exe it write me not found (sorry for my english) help me please ? can you write me more detailed tutorial what can I do for flash please what I must download and what I must do anywhere dont work download and i dont know where I can download any files
EDIT : Flashing is not compatible with serial cable ? I have this cable
Code:
http://www.i-obchod.cz/product.asp?productid=6663
this is to serial port (COM) when i buy this
Code:
http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/PDA_Accessories/Cradles/QTEK_9090_USB_SYNC_CRADLE.html
work it with this ? or it better when I go to service and pay 800kč this is about 25 Euro or 40 dollars and when I place an order this cradle i pay for this 18£ this is about 600kč and about 7days when it send me to home and I go to service tomorow but if I Flash it I not having to go to service

hi guys!
my ba also displays this strange message after an unsuccessed update (disconnected before finished). i have tried to install the update once more but it says: error 101: connection error. because i own my ba just since 20 hours, i don't know what to do now. so maybe someone could translate it into newbie-language. one more thing: unfortunately i use vista.
thanks for your help!

tried it once more with the new windows mobile device manager but my pc does not find my ba. vista just plays a sound when i put it on the cradle. i think you are the only ones in the hole www who can help me. need your help!

use maupgradeut_noid for upgrade
both of you read wiki there are solutions to your problems

maupgradeut_noid tells me this:
don't think that it is right.

hi folks!
i have tried it a hundred times with my vista mashine and a couple of times with xp on virtualbox but nothing. 15 minutes ago i have turned on my old xp mashine, downloaded the ROM from tmobile germany and started the application. it worked for me without maupgradeut_noid. only the original rom and nothing else. so my tip: don't waste your time with vista! xp is much better for solving this problem. thanks xp!

ok, but as i see it you didn't solve a problem but avoided it, and not even in the best way. i use vista too and i am unable to re-flash my device. the general problem is that the identifier of the device change over the flashing process, so vista downloads new drivers and cuts the connection. as i understand it, there is hardly any way to avoid that.
of course you do't need to use maupgrade_noid for an original rom, the _noid file is, as implied by the name, to avoide the device from identifying, so you could flash a WWE Rom to a rather locked german device.
as you might have realised, the picture you posted shows the magician and not the blueangel, hence the name Maupgrade instead of Baupgrade, which again is solved by the _noid version of the file and putting the device to bootloader first.
that the window does not show the versions from what version you flash to what version exactlyu doesn't matter at all. but as mentioned before, you should use an xp machine which will work like a charm!
am i to understand, that you have the latest official t-mobile rom on? the wm2003se?
as fast and battery friendly that might be, it is so out-dated and practically no newer third party software will be supported, like the fantastic application SPB Online, and the interface is incredibly ugly. if you ever want to try and flash your device again, try my tips above and it will work out just fine, as you seem to have mixed up a few things, but never mind.
i wish you best luck for trying again and will stand by for support, whether something might still not work out as planned.
good luck
Chef_Tony

well if you upgrade under vista take a look here
also look here for MAUpgradeUT_NOID and proper files - it is on the bottom of the page, so you only need the nbf files