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How bad is the IE bug?

Is IE unusable on the kaiser with the bug i hear about? I usually use the joypad for scrolling down, is it still the same?
Compared to the Hermes, how fast is the Kaiser at building pages up? On any big pages (eg. ebay) the Hermes really grinds to a snails pace and even when you think it's finished if you scroll down it's still (slowly) inserting images. Sometimes it can take nearly 60secs to finish showing an eBay page.
cheers, John

Which bug?
I use PIE with PIEPlus 2.2 and it works fine.
It is slow though, compared to my old Magician WM2003SE But thats obvious (WM2003SE is not flash based OS, no persistent-memory, thats why faster).
I am waiting Opera Mobile 9, which I am not sure will ever be released!
Duke Nukem Forever

I don't notice any difference with the Hermes. What bug are you talking about exactly?
By the by: opera mini beta 4 runs great on the Kaiser.
johnk1973 said:
Is IE unusable on the kaiser with the bug i hear about? I usually use the joypad for scrolling down, is it still the same?
Compared to the Hermes, how fast is the Kaiser at building pages up? On any big pages (eg. ebay) the Hermes really grinds to a snails pace and even when you think it's finished if you scroll down it's still (slowly) inserting images. Sometimes it can take nearly 60secs to finish showing an eBay page.
cheers, John
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johnk1973 said:
Is IE unusable on the kaiser with the bug i hear about? I usually use the joypad for scrolling down, is it still the same?
Compared to the Hermes, how fast is the Kaiser at building pages up? On any big pages (eg. ebay) the Hermes really grinds to a snails pace and even when you think it's finished if you scroll down it's still (slowly) inserting images. Sometimes it can take nearly 60secs to finish showing an eBay page.
cheers, John
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Yes it works, but the scrolling gets laggy once you have scrolled down a bit. The page download times are probably on a par with the TyTn. The Touchflo finger scrolling works better (once you get the hang of it).
Opera Mini works faster and scrolls OK.
Mike

Im not having any issues with PIE in general and I'm already getting used to the scroll feature. In fact I picked up my Trinity today and found it annoying when I had to use those fiddly scroll bars.
I wonder how it compares to the experience on the new iPod Touch?
I heard from a friend that the browsing experience on that was very intuitive - but then he is an apple nerd!
My bigger issue with the Tytn II is still the radio used. I am having real problems with the gprs/3G switch and both phone and internet connection have major problems coping when I am in 1 or 2 bars of 3G.
And I am still rarely getting a full 3G signal which was not the probelm with the later radios I have on my Tytn and Trinity.
I will try my Vodafone SIM tomorrow and see if it makes a difference.

gogol said:
Duke Nukem Forever
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you read my mind
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"What ya waitin for Christmas"
Mike

mikechannon said:
Yes it works, but the scrolling gets laggy once you have scrolled down a bit.
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this is the bug i was talking/hearing about.
With the extra power and extra chips I was hoping the page building issue would have truly gone, it's my biggest gripe with my Hermes. My other gripe was the poor video playback on my Hermes (which has improved thanks to many WM6 roms), I hear this hasn't improved much either. I think I'll wait until a new ROM or a new device...

Touchflo doesnt work with my installation of Opera Mobile (8.60). Would have thought there would be 20 million threads on it by now so am thinking its just me with the issue.
Is touchflo something that has to be written into third party software of should it would with anything?
Opera Mini is the Java version correct?

New ROM will not fix that because it will be still the same IE.
IE is just slow, that's all.
Try Opera Mini and enjoy the super fast browsing experience.
You will never look back to IE, trust me.
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this is the bug i was talking/hearing about.
With the extra power and extra chips I was hoping the page building issue would have truly gone, it's my biggest gripe with my Hermes. My other gripe was the poor video playback on my Hermes (which has improved thanks to many WM6 roms), I hear this hasn't improved much either. I think I'll wait until a new ROM or a new device...
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Yes, Opera Mini is a Java application.
But it is running fine and superb.
Here what I got it installed in my device:
1. Install JBED-JAVA_MIDLET_MANAGER.2007.08.02.2.1
Get it from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49222&d=1188897204
2. Use IE and browse to mini.opera.com/beta
And follow the instruction to install it.
Note: Choose "High memory" version.
You are done.
Now, read this article below :
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-...ed-includes-info-new-java-midlet-manager.html
You will be able to:
1. Make a shortcut to the "Programs" folder
Then using the "Settings->Button" you can change the IE softkey to execute this shortcut.
2. Get rid of the network security warning.
That's it
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Touchflo doesnt work with my installation of Opera Mobile (8.60). Would have thought there would be 20 million threads on it by now so am thinking its just me with the issue.
Is touchflo something that has to be written into third party software of should it would with anything?
Opera Mini is the Java version correct?
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Phew! Took a bit of work, but worth it
All thats left is for it to be set as the default browser and take links from emails.
Cheers for that buddy.

The shortcut part just doesn't work for me. I use Esmertec and my shortcut based on what I see in the appsdb folder is
#30"\windows\jeodek.exe" -run s3_
Whatever I do it gives me the message - Could not find MIDlet suite s3_
The file in appsdb is s3_suite.jar. Even still, I tried from number s0_ to s3_ to no avail.
Hope somebody can help.

gogol said:
Yes, Opera Mini is a Java application.
But it is running fine and superb.
Here what I got it installed in my device:
1. Install JBED-JAVA_MIDLET_MANAGER.2007.08.02.2.1
Get it from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49222&d=1188897204
2. Use IE and browse to mini.opera.com/beta
And follow the instruction to install it.
Note: Choose "High memory" version.
You are done.
Now, read this article below :
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-...ed-includes-info-new-java-midlet-manager.html
You will be able to:
1. Make a shortcut to the "Programs" folder
Then using the "Settings->Button" you can change the IE softkey to execute this shortcut.
2. Get rid of the network security warning.
That's it
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I get that same error - unable to find Suite 0 or 1 or whatever I put in.
Also the change in the selector file has my OperaMini still asking for permission. Any suggestions????
Thanks

Guys, I'm still getting the permission warnings as some other Opera 4 users are describing. I have done everything in this post including the selector.utf file. Has anyone figured out what might be causing this?

jackjohnson said:
Guys, I'm still getting the permission warnings as some other Opera 4 users are describing. I have done everything in this post including the selector.utf file. Has anyone figured out what might be causing this?
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i could only get it to work witn Cloudyfa's JBed, not with the default JMM.

I finally got it to work with Cloudyfa's JBed. For some reason, JBed wasn't installed properly. It wasn't showing up and Remove Programs. I reinstalled it, reinstalled Opera, applied the shortcut/network warning fix, and all is working perfectly.
For other people having this problem, make sure JBed is showing up in the Programs list and in Remove Programs before you install Opera. Seemed to do the trick.

I will be doing all of this tonight, Thanks for the tips.

Same here, I too get the error message could not find suite s0_. The number is correct, but i noticed i dont have any .jar files in the appdb folder... Any ideas?

I also didn't have any .jar files in my appdb folder. I did see some files with s2_ extensions (eg. s2_.jah and _s2.obj) so I changed my suite link to s2_ and it worked. Once I got the link to work, I then copied the selector.utf file from appdb to my PC and ran the Fix.exe editor on it and copied it back to the Kaiser. Works perfectly with no more permission dialog, thanks so much for sharing!
My squence;
1-Install Jbed
2-Install Opera Mini and test to verify it works.
3-Create link in programs folder and test
4-Copy off selector.utf and "fix", copy back and it should all be good, with no more permissions required.
5-Map the program link to a hard key.
6-Crack a cold beverage of choice, life is good

Accessing the forum (and Internet) from Tilt

This is a general question about people's experience with Internet speeds on the device.
I have used several different ROMs, both stock and cooked and fine that Internet browsing is very slow.
I usually am getting either 3G or H coverage with 3-4 bars. If I open up the forum site for instance, it could be a good 2 minutes before the browser is responsive enough for me to type anything in. It's almost like the device is so busy rendering the page that it can't even download.
I don't think this is a speed issue, because when I tether my laptop I generally get pretty good speeds, and that same page will come down on my laptop in 15 seconds.
I know that PIE isn't the best browser, but is it really PIE that is causing such slow browsing? I honestly haven't tried opera yet as it seems to always be in a beta and I have read posts about many issues with that browser as well.
Do other's have such a slow time browsing? It's almost embarrasing when I have to pull my device out to look for something quick and it takes 5-10 minutes to get some info of the web.
Again, I don't think this is radio or ROM specific, since I have more or less the same experience on all... I am wondering if there is something up with the connections in my area, although I find this hard to believe as I don't live out in the boonies.
thx.

Use opera
yes iexplorer is slow..
i use opera and 3G its fast !

Isaygarcia said:
Use opera
yes iexplorer is slow..
i use opera and 3G its fast !
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I guess it's time I give it a try. There are apparently some new versions floating around from the Diamond? Do these work or should I stick with an older one?
If you could recommend which version I should try for a better experience I would appreciate it. I'll then comment on the differences in speed.
thx

i use the "old" one, but the Diamond one seems to work

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I guess it's time I give it a try. There are apparently some new versions floating around from the Diamond? Do these work or should I stick with an older one?
If you could recommend which version I should try for a better experience I would appreciate it. I'll then comment on the differences in speed.
thx
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I'm trying the newer one. I like the 8.5 version better ( I think that was the one). It was more user friendly.
However, whenever I attempt to open this forum on my device it takes about 3-5 minutes just to get into the Kaiser section.
I typically only use my internet browser for information that can be found in any daily newspaper, which only takes a minute or two during each session to find.

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I'm trying the newer one. I like the 8.5 version better ( I think that was the one). It was more user friendly.
However, whenever I attempt to open this forum on my device it takes about 3-5 minutes just to get into the Kaiser section.
I typically only use my internet browser for information that can be found in any daily newspaper, which only takes a minute or two during each session to find.
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I think there might be some type of script on the (forum) page that slows it down. Once or twice after about 2-3 minutes of waitintg PIE popped something up that said a script was taking longer than expected.
What is so bad is that it locks the whole browser not letting you click "stop" and just browse what has already bee downloaded (which is usually enough). When it does stop, it usually takes you back to last page to start all over again .
I guess I shouldn't be so surpried to think that PIE is crud.... although not all pages are horrible...google and google news and wikipedia aren't too horribly slow.

Bengalih Gsleon3 posted the opera 781 diamond build. In there you will find the 1004 build in pages 3 or 4. I recommend you use opera too, either one will do good, im currently browsing and posting this comment from opera 9.5.
yeah, i have that problem with Pie too, hence why i found my new default browser, opera 9.5.
here is the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393947

i am typing this now on 9.5 on a slower Edge connection and it is much faster.
however it does seem a little hard to navigate especially without the stylus.
am i corect in assuming you can't interact (click) on the scren when it is zoomed out? that you must first zoom in?
also i miss the URL dropdown like on PIE are there aditional shotcuts so you don't need to go back into the settings menu each time?
thx

bengalih said:
i am typing this now on 9.5 on a slower Edge connection and it is much faster.
however it does seem a little hard to navigate especially without the stylus.
am i corect in assuming you can't interact (click) on the scren when it is zoomed out? that you must first zoom in?
also i miss the URL dropdown like on PIE are there aditional shotcuts so you don't need to go back into the settings menu each time?
thx
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yeah i noticed that too, i gotten used to the opera functions, indeed sometimes is hard to click links without the stylus. can you provide me a link to the drop down menu? AFAIK even the search button up the page works. it maybe different i guess.
hey all browsers have its shortcoming and i wished this one use the touch flo scrolling.

How to make Opera 9.5 act as IE?

any ideas how to get Opera 9.5 to act as if it was IE, or at least PIE???
there's a WiFi spot I always use, but whenever I use my Kaiser, I can only use PIE!!! nothing else works!!!
and as you know PIE sucks
there was a similar option in NetFront as I recall... but I couldn't find it in Opera??
I really appreciate all your help
thanks

how does 'nothing else work' exactly?
if you wnat opera to present itself as PIE, navigate to 'opera:config'-the setting's (and loadsa others) there somewhere.

Nothing else means: The only web browser that works on that hotspot is PIE, while Opera mini, Opera 9, opera 8.65...etc don't
and I have allready searched the config... but no good
I might be missing sothing though!
thanks

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I asked how they dont work, not for a definition of the word nothing duke911.
The behaviour of the other browsers could point one of us in the right direction - insisting nothing works wont mate.
It's simply that 'nothing else works' tells people very little!

Ok mate
As for Opera 9.5: when I go to, let's say: google.com, I am redirected to the homepage of the ISP!! but when I use PIE, I can surf normally, except for the fact you can't really surf with PIE
Opera min cant' open any page at all...
other explorers either do as Opera 9 does, or as opera min!
BTW, I have searched the registry hoping to find something that can help, but came up with nothing
cheers mate

The ISPs page - it wouldn't happen to be a page put up by the operator of the hotspot would it?
Feel free to correct me, but it sounds like it may be a (normally) paid-for service, into which you have to login to be granted access through a proxy..? If it is, can you log in?
I know a loada things you could try from laptop (windows OSs), not that many from WM though.
you said you 'config... but no good' - did you try geting Opera to present itself as IE? if you did, did it make any difference at all?

mad_tunes said:
The ISPs page - it wouldn't happen to be a page put up by the operator of the hotspot would it?
Feel free to correct me, but it sounds like it may be a (normally) paid-for service, into which you have to login to be granted access through a proxy..? If it is, can you log in?
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Well, That's the strange thing!!!!
When I use PIE, I can use WiFi free of charge, but when I use Opera 9.5 I am redirected to the ISP page, and it does not have any place to login... just a normal home page...!!!
BTW, everyone at that cofee shop is using WiFi on their laptops/phone..etc free of charge
you said you 'config... but no good' - did you try geting Opera to present itself as IE? if you did, did it make any difference at all?
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I meant I looked in the config for something that let Opera present itself as IE, But I could NOT find any thing....
are you aware of any option like that in the Opera Config??
thanks mate

Everything is ok now...
I tried reinstalling opera, and trying different build...but that did not work...
but after I refreshed the ISP homepage couple of times... opera now works...
still there is a strange thing... when I tried replying to this topic from opera (typing in the yellow box)... Opera shuts down!!!
anyway.... thanks a lot mad_tunes... you have been very helpful
cheers

I've had opera mobile Build 1126 keel over and close on me a couple of times - tends to do it with the same sites, they must have included something it didn't get on with.
If you haven't already, give build 1184 a go - there are no huge noticable changes, but I've found it to be more stable.
I found it through this site, I think it was from here: HTC Diamond Opera 9.5 Build 1184
'tunes

Skyfire Beta 2

So... I signed up for the Beta2 of Skyfire at least 4 or 5 months ago and five minutes ago I got a link with my copy of it. I registered my account and installed the cab to discover an awesome full-fledged browser. Has anyone else received the text message for their copy? When starting up Skyfire it says version 0.61.0.4721. Is this Beta 2? Is the version other people have?
-Xidium

thats the one, pretty slick huh

Mine always says that it cannot find the internet. Any inkling as to what it may be going on? I have it downloaded twice so far.

I got mine a couple of days ago, and I really like it.

Hmmm........
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Mine always says that it cannot find the internet. Any inkling as to what it may be going on? I have it downloaded twice so far.
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Curious, did you follow the instructions from the original thread below or from one of the many duplicate threads that made the .cab itself available?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414383&highlight=skyfire
I ask because the .cab by itself was never intended to work alone as it needs to be registered via phone # and personal info, which acts as your login to use the program. There may be hacks out there(?), but I am not inclined to do legwork to find them, if they do exist that is.

I finally got my text last night.
Downloaded it immediately and love it.
Then, late last night and early this morning, network issues.
Now, it works like a champ again.
maybe there was a problem with the proprietary skyfire servers or something.

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Curious, did you follow the instructions from the original thread below or from one of the many duplicate threads that made the .cab itself available?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414383&highlight=skyfire
I ask because the .cab by itself was never intended to work alone as it needs to be registered via phone # and personal info, which acts as your login to use the program. There may be hacks out there(?), but I am not inclined to do legwork to find them, if they do exist that is.
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I went through all the steps described in your url, used the original cnet100 code and when that did not work I used a bGenius code from another site, I had the cab downloaded both ties, activated, program installed, and then nothing. It cannot find the internet. I have IE, Opera 8.5 and Oopera mini all working very well, no problem with my net connections.

I had the same issue a while back. In my case I disabled the ATT Proxy for the MEdia Net connection and then all worked fine.
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I went through all the steps described in your url, used the original cnet100 code and when that did not work I used a bGenius code from another site, I had the cab downloaded both ties, activated, program installed, and then nothing. It cannot find the internet. I have IE, Opera 8.5 and Oopera mini all working very well, no problem with my net connections.
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I had the same issue a while back. In my case I disabled the ATT Proxy for the MEdia Net connection and then all worked fine.
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How did you do that?

I went to their website and followed all the FAQ instructions regarding MediaNet and Proxy etc., it seesm that I have an old version (5.something) I need to get a 6.something version....still trying.

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Start|Settings|Connections|Connections|Advanced|Select Networks|MEdia Net|Edit|Proxy Settings| ->uncheck the "This network uses a proxy server ....."

many thanks!

Just downloaded it and have putzing around with it.
things i like: renders pages much like my desktops. Loads pages fairly quickly. Relatively small memory footprint
Things I'm iffy on: chunky scrolling (as opposed to NetFront or Iris), text entry into a separate text box seems redundant to me...and probably some other stuff.
This is running on a stock ATT rom, minus the bloatware. It seems fairly stable.
When on my wifi connection, its quite nice.

Yea I was about to ask about the "chunky scrolling". I've noticed that too. Opera 9.5 isn't like that at all. I was wondering if it was the software or if the new kaiser d3d beta drivers or the omnia drivers helped this at all... I haven't had any of the connection issues that others have had and I do like the small 1.5mb or so space it takes to install compared to ~8mb for Opera.

why am i not getting text messages from skyfire.
i have a valid beta code.

I just downloaded mine, but I haven't had time to play with it yet.

Hmmm I havent gotten any links to download it...... It tells me I have to wait until the beta is released for beta testing? hmmmmm I wonder what I did wrong

I got my text for Beta 2 also. It's definitely much better than Opera and IE, but still no where near the iPhone's Safari browser. I switch between my iPhone and Tilt every couple days and when it comes to browsing Safari is pretty damn good. Skyfire is definitely a step in the right direction.

I've been using this for a week now and have noticed a few things.
1. random freezing. While either loading or on a page, my version will just hang and the Tilt will not respond to anything but a reboot...which, in my case, sucks due to that infernal GoodLink lock app.
2 since this is server based, sometimes I get REALLLY sluggish performance. When rendering a simple text based page (say...like craigslist) the screen redraws are horribly slow and scrolling thru a page brings up the checkerboard pattern until it gets the screen redraw info.
3 my settings for some reason or other...do not stick. For example, I will have smart fit enabled in my default view settings. When I load a page the text does not flow correctly, and I have to enable smart fit again.
4 Load up times: horribly inconsistant. Somedays its quick and zippy and blows other browsers out of the water. Other times...it just wont launch.
Having said that: I realize that this is a beta and is bound to be far from perfect. But while the concept is great, the execution leaves a bit to be desired, especially the network connectivity issues for me.
I also have NetFront (LOVE IT) and the Iris browsers as well as the stock OEM Internet Explorer. I want to like Skyfire, but its just too damn iffy right now, whereas my NetFront and Iris are pretty decent.
This is on a stock Win6 OEM ROM (minus the bloatware)

Is there a Net Front CAB that we can download?

Standard Opera on Xperia

Does anyone know how to change the standard opera to make it view regular size webpages instead of only viewing mobile pages. I know there is a setting in settings but apparently that isn't making a difference. Has anyone else experienced this?
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He is right. Go to a site like IPChicken.com and look at the Browser string under the 'Advanced' section and you'll see what Opera is reporting to each site you visit. Opera has a way to 'spoof' the User Agent to be like Firefox or IE 6 for example. Type in: about:config in the address bar, and scroll all the way down to User Agent and try 2 and 3 (Firefox & IE, respectively).
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I don't have a problem with that, Always shows the "real" homepage, even youtube after installing the flash lite

hmm really?? everytime i go to youtube it takes me to m.youtube.com. Shoot even google goes to the mobile webpage. i wonder if i need to install flashlite to correct this? That doesn't make any sense though.

Try installing flashlite and see if its get any better =)

Didn't do a thing. When i got to youtube it takes me to m.youtube.com am i the only one with this problem?

Have you clicked on the link at the bottom which takes you to the full site and stores a cookie on your phone telling YouTube to send you to the full version next time?

Trying that as we speak

Yup just tried it and it works for youtube but other websites it doesn't. Like when i go to myspace and i click on view full desktop page it doesn't do anything besides go right back to the page i started at. I'm not sure what is going but it seems like maybe their are two different opera builds on these xperias. I wonder if that is possible
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I think it is the website i'm going to. Some just have errors i think. Has anyone tried to use orb.com? I can get it stream perfectly with IE but with Opera it tries to open it and it just crashes.

Orb works ok on opera for me as long as i can get a 3g signal

Everytime i try and use orb on opera it just crashes and closes. Did it work for you straight out of the box?

Since this thread is labelled in a general fashion, I'm not gonna open a new thread for my question, which is:
anybody managed to upgrade to a more recent Opera build?
The ones available work as in being able to browse the web, but they are buggy regarding keyboard input for example.

I upgraded to a newer version and it was extremely buggy. It crashed on me a couple of times. I like this one designed for the xperia. I don't like xperia's standard settings but after u change the settings its cool

One of the nice features of the touch pro was that the back button in opera was mapped to a hardware button. Is it possible to do this with the Xperia?

Yes straight out the box

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I still have an issue. I can get it to stream but its really laggy through opera unless i use this pls winamp format but then i get errors here and there. I run it through IE and it streams perfectly. I've spent about 2 hrs going through the settings trying to find the cause of it but i can't seem to find it. When you use orb what format are u streaming in and what player are u using?

Windows media format (.asx)
and windows media player on the phone

hmmm i don't know why my video lags so much even on wifi. Audio comes in perfect whatever video i play is horrible unless i use IE. Anyone have any ideas what could cause this?

Could the orb be playing up, I just tried on wifi on both opera and ie and only managed to get streaming work once out of a few attempts. Kept getting server is busy.

How can I reinstall the SE Opera version? Where's the cab at? I managed to bugger up my version and now it won't load

Do a hard reset