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Don't hate me...many wm5 basic questions

I know you're all sick of posts about Windows Mobile 5.0 - I've read the FAQ, ubt I'm still a little confused. I'm not really a hacker - a firmware update is a big deal to me, let alone a complete new ROM!!
In the wiki thing there are four versions of WM5 for the Blue Angel (Or XDA IIs as I knew it before I came here). Where have these come from? Are these unofficial hacks, which will void my warranty and not necessarily work? Why are there four different versions of what should be the same thing?
Do Microsoft themselves produce a WM5 update for this device? Is it officially supported? I have a corporate device, and I don't mind using this as an excuse to upgrade to the XDA Exec, but I don't want my boss to tell me I wasted money on a new device when I could have just upgraded mine to use MS Push mail.
Thanks, and sorry for the muppet n00b post!

>Where have these come from?
From talented people who thinks that original ROM sucks
>Are these unofficial hacks, which will void my warranty and not necessarily work?
Yes.
>Why are there four different versions of what should be the same thing?
They are like programs, some works better than others even though they are the same thing (e.g. web browser, all the same thing). And probably the most noticeable is the ext rom where different version will have different supporting software included.
>Do Microsoft themselves produce a WM5 update for this device?
No. Microsoft to not seems to support any WM5 (or W2K) device's OS. It is up to the manufacturer to do the supporting/upgrading. E.g. HP provide their own upgrades/support for older PDA (e.g. Hx4000 series) to upgrade to WM5
>Is it officially supported?
If you get an official update (e.g. from your phone company) it will be supported. But I don't there is an official upgrade to WM5 for BA devices. Double check and correct me if I'm wrong. But, you might get lucky/unlucky to have athe push mail support, I guess.
>I have a corporate device, and I don't mind using this as an excuse to upgrade to the XDA Exec, but I don't want my boss to tell me I wasted money on a new device when I could have just upgraded mine to use MS Push mail.
I would suggest you get a new one (as it is not your own money). Unless your boss or people around him is highly technical about HTC devices, it is very unlikely that he will know if there is an upgrade for it.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=310752#310752
There are some other posts describing the ROMs in this forum. Do a search for all the rom names in one query and you'll find discussion on them.

Excellent, thats answered all my queries! Thanks a lot...
And thanks for not hating me!

I figured this would be an appropriate place to ask this.
Last Week I purchased a used sx66/PH20B1 (cingular) and obviously looking to upgrade to WM 5.0
After a week of looking through this forum, I'm a bit confused as to which version I need. I don't want to turn my device into a paperweight.
I read the post of WM5 Roms summaries which was very helpful.
I saw the "ROM to WM 5 Build 14343 " for GSM PH20B1. at THIS post This seems like the most appropriate one But i'm not sure if this is like the best "unofficial" one to use. OR should I use one such as tuma or logout?
Benq-siemens has a ROM update on their website HERE
not sure if this is WM5 though..or just an update to WM2003
Please help
Thanks!

If yout thinking of uprading to WM5 to use push email then i'm afraid your out of luck, the push email element of WM5 first came out in AKU 2, so far no matter how hard we try (mainly tuatara, grats to him) no-one has managed to get anything above AKU 1.1 booting on a BlueAngel, so in short NO PUSH EMAIL!
looks lik your gonna have to get a shiney new universal

Midget_1990 said:
If yout thinking of uprading to WM5 to use push email then i'm afraid your out of luck, the push email element of WM5 first came out in AKU 2, so far no matter how hard we try (mainly tuatara, grats to him) no-one has managed to get anything above AKU 1.1 booting on a BlueAngel, so in short NO PUSH EMAIL!
looks lik your gonna have to get a shiney new universal
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I don't care about Push email. I don't mind checking my email once and a while instead of getting it immediatly. I just want WM5 for the new features. (Maybe I'm crazy and it's not worth it :?: )
I just want to make sure I use the right ROM when upgrading so I don't destroy my device
Thanks for the info though..I didn't know that

my post was actually in reply to the first guy, i hadn't even read yours
with regards to your situation you can use any WM5 rom (TuMa, Logout's, Ivan's or ArtZ's) however you must edit the 'set operator.bat' in a text editor (I use notepad) so that all referances to 'PH20B' are changed to 'PH20B1', then follow the instructions in the readme as normal.
Personally on rom choice i would reccomend TuMa for ease of use (but wait until 1.5 as 1.3 is slow an 1.4 is buggy) or Ivan's as a clean rom that you can customise yourself.

Midget_1990 said:
my post was actually in reply to the first guy, i hadn't even read yours
with regards to your situation you can use any WM5 rom (TuMa, Logout's, Ivan's or ArtZ's) however you must edit the 'set operator.bat' in a text editor (I use notepad) so that all referances to 'PH20B' are changed to 'PH20B1', then follow the instructions in the readme as normal.
Personally on rom choice i would reccomend TuMa for ease of use (but wait until 1.5 as 1.3 is slow an 1.4 is buggy) or Ivan's as a clean rom that you can customise yourself.
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Cool beans. thanks! Do these roms have applications such as Terminal Services, Windows Media Player 10, Outlook etc? (I didn't see it in the list, and not sure if you can download them) These are what I really want, And couldn't find info on where to download them.
And lastly, is it easy to revert back to WM2003 if you don't have the original ROM (Just incase it doesn't work out for me)
Sorry for all the questions. :?

Midget_1990 said:
my post was actually in reply to the first guy
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I have a NAME, you know...

i can never do anything right these days...
sorry fishkake!

SkiRacer2144 said:
Cool beans. thanks! Do these roms have applications such as Terminal Services, Windows Media Player 10, Outlook etc? (I didn't see it in the list, and not sure if you can download them) These are what I really want, And couldn't find info on where to download them.
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yes they are inlcuded, you can find links in the BA WM5 wiki or by seaching this forum (they are all on teh first page )
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And lastly, is it easy to revert back to WM2003 if you don't have the original ROM (Just incase it doesn't work out for me)
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yes, just go to the seimens website and download thier latest update, that is easiest, however you can also mix and match bits of other 2k3se roms and use a later radio version (afaik 1.13 is the best)
hope this helps

WM6 on O2

I rang O2 today to enquire as to when a WM6 Rom would be available for my XDA IIs they said that they had no plans to release one but did say to search the net as there could well be one as there is no reason as to why the XDA IIs couldn't run WM6.
So i'm going to keep googleing but so far no joy i wish i was a good programmer lol

Well that's O2 for you. They don't have any plan of providing software upgrade to our unit, even with my atom exec. They just leave the dirty work for other developers.

They don't even have wm5 as an official update... :/

wm6 rom
i have an wm6 rom downloaded frm a torrent website but im not sure whether it is compatible with BA.

It's not. ;P

jakubd said:
It's not. ;P
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at all "newbies" here:there is NOT a WM6 for BA.
and most of us dont think that it will ever seen on our machines.
there are to many problems to port it to this device.

Is it not possible to cook a rom of WM6 using the hardware drivers from WM5 for the chipset etc of the phone?
I have no idea how to do it but i was wondering if some of the magicians out there may be able to work the old magiC?

No. It's not going to happen. We tried, we had ideas, but theres a problem with the XIP porting I believe so it isn't going to happen for us.
If it does - it WILL get posted. Don't keep asking.

http://www.ppc2you.com/vb/external.php?type=RSS2&forumids=106
hey this page claims to have WM6 for all pocket pcs scroll down andf it will be listed at bottom for the BA

appologies i have downloaded and it helmis rom claiming to be WM6 !! i think damn the con artists

Also i have seen that T mobile users are being offered a WM6 ROM on their MDA III which is the BA isn't it?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-309604.html
see there we go

thats an artemis lol

ah i see i thought the MDA III was a BA

Waiting for a "...maybe it will be one for us. Hopefully"

Windows Mobile 6.1 - Tilt

hey guys, anyone know where / when the 6.1 software will be available for the Tilt?
I was told in the month of July, however I have visited the htc site and no 6.1 update is available, any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You,
Chris

I read this morning on another forum that someone had talked to an Att rep and its looking like mid August. Not sure of the validity of it though

there are alot of great 6.1 options here. look around you may find out that they are better than "official" roms.

dude official wm6.1 available since February 2008! check this out
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
chrisrc1985 said:
hey guys, anyone know where / when the 6.1 software will be available for the Tilt?
I was told in the month of July, however I have visited the htc site and no 6.1 update is available, any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You,
Chris
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jahrami said:
dude official wm6.1 available since February 2008! check this out
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
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All of the WM6.1 roms for AT&T are leaked/pre-released/testing version. AT&T hasn't released its Official WM6.1 as of yet. No one really seems to know for sure (AT&T included) as to when they will ship out their 6.1 rom. I've heard July (which has passed), August, and September, as well as the cynical "Never".
Your best way of knowing is that it'll most likely be a few months after everyone else has done it and moved on.
edit: Just to add some more hearsay, check out the AT&T forum here. Some say AT&T is preparing their support staff for 6.1 questions. If true, then it's a positive note. But once again, this is all hearsay till there's an official note from AT&T. And even then it's not set in stone.

Ok XDA, step up!
LOL...come on you guys, there are confirmed reports that the "official" at&t roms have been spotted in the tilt. You mean you guys haven't been able to find one
to hack into yet? LOL....
Just kidding. After the "official" tilt rom comes out, I'll think if I want that or one of the cooked ones. I don't know if I want to bother with a cooked one. If my phone goes down, I'm screwed. I use pocket word, outlook, excel, acrobat dozens of times a day. I go through screen protectors (I use the old style palm transcriber) about once a month or more.
Seriously...keep up the work you cookers!

Dont Know
I spoke to ATT CS regarding same last week. She told me that , Its available with ATT but she is not sure when we will get it. Other thing she told me was to check the windows update in the phone, whenever they wil make it official for upgrade we can get upgrade via windows update.
I dont know if any other reason is there, but hope to get it ASAP, and looking forward to explorer 6.1
Cheers!
Amey

Whats really funny about this is that my local ATT Store now has signs next to the Tilt saying "Now Loaded with WM 6.1" or something like that, listing the threaded texting and other benefits. I asked the rep what the deal was and he said it would be available shortly, so I asked why the sign was out now and he said because they were told to put them out.

kbcherry said:
Whats really funny about this is that my local ATT Store now has signs next to the Tilt saying "Now Loaded with WM 6.1" or something like that, listing the threaded texting and other benefits. I asked the rep what the deal was and he said it would be available shortly, so I asked why the sign was out now and he said because they were told to put them out.
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My Local Store Norfolk VA had the same sign up when I asked about it manager took sign down and said its not out yet

I've never been able to get WU to work. Tried data connection & wi-fi, always says the same thing...connection with server cannot be established, or something similar.
amey said:
Other thing she told me was to check the windows update in the phone, whenever they wil make it official for upgrade we can get upgrade via windows update.
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Wow... I wouldnt think you could do that through wu.... I wonder if it could still brick it... Like if the connection goes down.

amey said:
she told me was to check the windows update in the phone, whenever they wil make it official for upgrade we can get upgrade via windows update.
I dont know if any other reason is there, but hope to get it ASAP, and looking forward to explorer 6.1
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To date MS has done nothing with the update function.
WM6.1 will require a complete ROM replacement and there is no way they can do this via an update downloaded to the phone. Like the other ROM update from earlier this year, when this is officially available it will be posted for download on HTC's site and will need to performed from a connected PC.

blue_94_trooper said:
when this is officially available it will be posted for download on HTC's site and will need to performed from a connected PC.
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Yes, i have talked to the people from HTC, and when it is ready which 'should be soon' then go to www.htc.com -> pick your country -> support -> choose your phone -> updates

Its out on the UK O2 site, just found it. Now if I install it I will have to re install all my apps and stuff again wont I ?
Any way I can make a complete back up of my phone and the apps as is , so I can go back to my 'working ' set up if I come up with problems ?
Thanks

AT&T Tilt Gets Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM Upgrade
Get it here on Mobiletopsoft - http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/3...m-upgrade.html
or on HTC site - http://www.htc.com/us/SupportDownloa..._id=67&cat=all
http://www.htc.com/us/SupportDownloadList.aspx?p_id=67&cat=all

ilordvader said:
Get it here on Mobiletopsoft - http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/3...m-upgrade.html
or on HTC site - http://www.htc.com/us/SupportDownloa..._id=67&cat=all
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neither of these links go anywhere

I was at a blog this morning and it was stated there that the ROM was at the HTC.com site stated above. As everyone knows, it is not there now. Although one of the comments on the page states the following that I found interesting: "HTC had the ROM upgrade available breifly. Then they removed the upgrade but left the page declaring that 6.1 was available. Now the page that was declaring WM6.1 is gone and refers to the WM6.0 rom from February. A few people had success in getting the 6.1 ROM image." Whether or not this is true can not be determined, but at least it gives me hope that it may be released soon (although we have seen this happen many times in the past).
My source for this info: http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/arch...-6-1-upgrade-for-at-t-tilt-now-available.aspx

if anyone downloaded it, I can't figure out why it hasn't made its way over here somewhere. From the looks of the post count on the at&t forum site, there are 2,352,465.5 people waiting for it LOL.

Try it now -
http://www.htc.com/us/SupportDownloadList.aspx?p_id=67&cat=all

you mean this one....if you click download it shows wm6.0 rom 1.62.502.2 not the one listed.
http://www.htc.com/us/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=67&cat=1&dl_id=68

Information of 6.5 for X1 on Facebook?

I was boring searching about X1 and 6.5, and I find this message published yesterday on facebook, about a guy that talks about a 6.5 ROM that XDA has got. I suppose that is talking about the Itje ROM. But the thing that I saw amazing is that he said he called Sony Ericsson and they him to them that it will be an update after X2 were released. Don't you understand this reading the message? I attach the link to the message to this post:
http://es-la.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=39963827922&topic=11173
Best regards

Complete bs, IMO.

there is no update. the build he is talking about is the one itje has but SE has said that a 6.5 build will never be released. the build was only for testing purposes.

i think we should wait and see, up to time there is no official info stating that the x1 will never or it will get 6.5, even tho on their blog they stated
We picked up on a couple of rumours from yesterday that an official X1 Windows Mobile 6.5 rom had surfaced on XDA developers. Just wanted to be clear that this isn’t true.
There is no official X1 6.5 rom and it’s not in the X1’s product roadmap. There are hackers out there who can do pretty much anything, but unless you’re getting it from the SE update service it isn’t an official Sony Ericsson product.
so lets wait and see if they will or will not

spikegotti said:
i think we should wait and see, up to time there is no official info stating that the x1 will never or it will get 6.5, even tho on their blog they stated
We picked up on a couple of rumours from yesterday that an official X1 Windows Mobile 6.5 rom had surfaced on XDA developers. Just wanted to be clear that this isn’t true.
There is no official X1 6.5 rom and it’s not in the X1’s product roadmap. There are hackers out there who can do pretty much anything, but unless you’re getting it from the SE update service it isn’t an official Sony Ericsson product.
so lets wait and see if they will or will not
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what do u mean there is no official info??????
SE has officially said there will be no 6.5 update for x1.

Ganondolf said:
what do u mean there is no official info??????
SE has officially said there will be no 6.5 update for x1.
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yeah im pretty sure thats what i read too...

where is this info? and where is the info that the 6.5 kernel was used for testing only?

spikegotti said:
where is this info? and where is the info that the 6.5 kernel was used for testing only?
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Official xperia website forum
link:
http://xperiancers.com/2009/09/10/x1-upgrade-not-in-the-roadmap/
all companies test stuff with no intentions of releasing it. so the build was a test build or itje lied about the build (with i refuse to believe).

Ganondolf said:
Official xperia website forum
link:
http://xperiancers.com/2009/09/10/x1-upgrade-not-in-the-roadmap/
all companies test stuff with no intentions of releasing it. so the build was a test build or itje lied about the build (with i refuse to believe).
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I think itje has a test build but I also think that this test build was made on X1 with intention of knowing If X2 will be able to run WM6.5 with the same hardware as X1 or if it is needed to bring some more powerfull hardware into X2...

that article does not say there will not be or there will be, that is a perfect structure using the best english language possible, to keep us from believing there will be or there wont be, because its too early to say if they will or wont update simply because the x2 is on the horizon, its not smart for SE to say they will update the x1 or they wont...
its called marketing, regardless what anyone says, that article is not saying that there wont or will... was the R3A updates on the roadmap? what happened to the goodies of R3A? weren't they in the roadmap for R3A? did we get them?
only time will tell if we will get the update or not, by december i should have one of the new HTC devices anyway
itje did leak stuff before, and we never got em, i believe roadmaps do change

spikegotti said:
that article does not say there will not be or there will be, that is a perfect structure using the best english language possible, to keep us from believing there will be or there wont be, because its too early to say if they will or wont update simply because the x2 is on the horizon, its not smart for SE to say they will update the x1 or they wont...
its called marketing, regardless what anyone says, that article is not saying that there wont or will... was the R3A updates on the roadmap? what happened to the goodies of R3A? weren't they in the roadmap for R3A? did we get them?
only time will tell if we will get the update or not, by december i should have one of the new HTC devices anyway
itje did leak stuff before, and we never got em, i believe roadmaps do change
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at least 1 of the firmware update was on the roadmap, the second came when they did not sort out all the bugs in the r2 update.
u will find its in plain english. its not in the x1 roadmap and everyone knows that when the x2 is released SE will stop production of the x1 and stop updating the firmware.
I will make it easy for u to understand. if u want 6.5, SE wants u to buy an x2

spikegotti said:
that article does not say there will not be or there will be, that is a perfect structure using the best english language possible, to keep us from believing there will be or there wont be, because its too early to say if they will or wont update simply because the x2 is on the horizon, its not smart for SE to say they will update the x1 or they wont...
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I don't think the Sony blog could have been any more clear about there not being an official 6.5 release.
First they say that itje's ROM is not an official release (which most likely means that it is an internal testing ROM that was leaked
Then they say that there is no official 6.5 ROM out there.
And then they say that they have no plans to make an official 6.5 ROM.
It seems very clear to me can they change their minds? Possible, but very unlikely.

Updated Roms

Is there any stock T-Mobile roms that have been upgraded to Windows Mobile 6.5? I tried out a few roms on here and none of them is working out for me, some even have minor issues with the speed of my TP2.

What exactly are you trying to ask...
Are you asking if TmoUS has released an official 6.5 ROM update?
As far as the ROM's on this site, you would have to shoot me before I go back to a branded ROM. The chef's on this site have done a great job in bringing us cooked ROMs that are far superior than anything any carrier could release to us.

Check your providers website to see if there are official updates.
Some websites posted some info about the release dates of WM6.5. Do a search for that...

frenchie746 said:
What exactly are you trying to ask...
Are you asking if TmoUS has released an official 6.5 ROM update?
As far as the ROM's on this site, you would have to shoot me before I go back to a branded ROM. The chef's on this site have done a great job in bringing us cooked ROMs that are far superior than anything any carrier could release to us.
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I'm not trying to say that the roms on this site isn't good, I'm just saying in my opinion that they aren't good for me. I went to T-Mobile's Windows Mobile Upgrade website and there isn't even the original rom up there for the Rhodium/TP2. They have it for the older phones like the HTC Wing, Shadow, Dash 3G

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I'm not trying to say that the roms on this site isn't good, I'm just saying in my opinion that they aren't good for me. I went to T-Mobile's Windows Mobile Upgrade website and there isn't even the original rom up there for the Rhodium/TP2. They have it for the older phones like the HTC Wing, Shadow, Dash 3G
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Well if all you are looking for is the Stock TmoUS rom, someone has dumped and rebuilt it for the Tmo forum users.
Mind you this is the WinMo 6.1 rom that the TP2 was launched with.
As far as a 6.5 version, nothing has been released yet by TmoUS as far as I know.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550975
Hope this helps.

Noonothing has not released yet, give it a week or 2.

the release is from TMobile De
and here http://www.t-mobile.de/downloads/neu/mda_vario_v.zip you can download it.
The build is 21854

mccune said:
Check your providers website to see if there are official updates.
Some websites posted some info about the release dates of WM6.5. Do a search for that...
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Nail... Head... Closed
Thanks
Dave