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UK T-Mobile Update Support From Kitchen Experts

Ok , heres the plan!!
After attempting to cook my own ROM, I ended up with a dead device! However thaks to the member who uploaded the offical update I managed to get the thing back (which was nice as my wallet started to twitch! :lol: )
As T-Mobile UK are obviously behind on anything to do with this device I wondered if the Expert ROM builders could help us out by creating a ROM on the FTP site with all the fixes in and latest versions.
I know this may be a big ask, but there are enough users like me that just cant get their head around how the Kitchen works so a simple download and instructions if we have to tweak anything would be great.
Is this a plan or should I just go and stick my device in a cuboard for 6 months by which time T-mobile might of got their finger out of their BUM!

Anti-T-Mobile
With all due respect that would be playing with other peoples privat parts.
The Extended rom is given to us by our carriers.
Yes its late, yes its not complete and yes in some of them are below standard.
The forum gives us the tools to open this hidden folder.
Wiki explains how to flush it and how to cook it.
The kitchen gives you a look at what has gone through it and suggestes the best configuration for you know as the new base.
(based on what has been seen and only what it has seen).
In the kitchen you have all apps and patches that have been found for you to download and cook.
You need to add your own carrier customisation to that. Having done that you end up with a ERK version, your own Privat ERK version based on your tastes, flavor of your provider and what ever else you want to add due to the fact its COOL and neat.
So the short version is what you are asking for is all ready there on wiki.
The carrier customization files are on the ftp site.

MDAIII User
I know exactly what you are saying but after my experience of making a rom etc, Im sure other users are in the same boad of "lack of confidence" to risk killing their device.
What I am simply asking is for somebody to update the last T-Mobile UK update with the latest radio etc so that it is not customised just updated.
I notice you have a MDA III cooked rom so why could you not simply share your ROM. You could then be the farther of many happy children!

Anti-T-Mobile
I notice you have a MDA III cooked rom so why could you not simply share your ROM. You could then be the farther of many happy children!
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Regradless of the great opertunaty to be the father of many happy children and the option of you playing with my privat parts, which I might even like if I know what sex you are (wink) the answer is and will remain no.
Being chaty I will explain why. (again)
1) The info is in wiki, the cabs are in wiki, I have even added the text that you need for each cab on wiki.... bla bla ref to my other post.
and add
2) As per my flag I am in Switzerland and T-mobile is not.
3) As per my carrier I am with Sunrise (Which is not swiss for T-Mobile)
4) I have now idea what you want in that rom, thus we need to comunicate, this I am no good at ask my ex-wife.
5) My rom has no BT in it and that would explain why you find NO info about BT on wiki.
6) There are over 23'000 reg users on this site, a few have a BA.
If I do a T-mobile version I will be asked about a o2 version. then somebody is going to ask for a o2 Asian version and my thoughts of the asian version I have posted on wiki.
7) The tool that would allow me to create a ndf file out of those cab files has not been released.
8.) When it gets released you can do it yourself but you will first have to build the rom and edit the config text.
(Thus it does not matter if you have that tool or not)
The process is simple, read wiki
For the Ext rom:
unlock, flush, hardrest, unlock, test the cab, edit the config.txt, test the cab, edit the config text, repeat that until you have had enough. copy config,txt to device, insure you still have all cabs. lock the extended rom and do a hard reset.
For the radio, download, delete other ndf, run the upgrade, hard reset.
No offence intented.

Rom Updating Process
MDA III user.
My thanks once again for your detailed response on my last post in the other thread. I will keep everyone updated as to how I am getting on with T-Mobile UK. As you rightly suggested I have started reading Wiki thoroughly. Hopefully I will not be as easily bamboozled next time
On the matter of Wiki and the kitchen, I have to agree that there is a "chill" factor from a new user perspective. Please don't take this the wrong way - this is not to take away from all the hard work put into it by you and the other experts. This site has fast become a vital resource for me and I suspect nearly all HTC device users.
The chill factor is that personally speaking, I am not proficient/confident enough to undertake the updating process, withtout a little assistance first time around. It's a bit like reading the rules of the road but never driving if you see what I mean :? That said these are very complex devices.
I appreciate there may be legitimate concerns with providing self executing ROM updates and that not one size fits all devices. If you can do anything to simplify the process it would be greatly appreciated.
Apologies in advance for asking for the idiot's guide. You must groan with the number of "how do I update my ROM" posts.
Incidentally I went looking on wiki for the patches you mentioned and found the camera patch and a broadcom patch. I wasn't able to find the battery one. Could you direct me to it. Much appreciated J

Hi Jason
You are in luck I droped the link on my retaliation on your slik wording were for a moment I thought you were being nice to me a meant it. (hehe)
Battery patch is called battery upgrade and fund in patches of the 1.22 kitchen.
I will not write a idiots guide on the concept of the exteneded rom as idiots should not be playing with it as they could turn there device into a paper wheight as warned in the kitchen.
Please on offence to anybody that has had that bad luck its the concept that I am talking about.
I feel all the info is there in some section of the kitchen. and if you read the "cooking your first extneded rom with zip" you would have been told how to unlock, install a cab and edit the config.txt.
Find a area that has not been coverd and tell me, I will have a look at it, Else the wiki motto found in the getting started is:
If you don't like what you read, don't *****, fix it. this is your site.
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For me the Getting started is as close to a step by step idiots guide that you can get to, after doing all that is in there the user is able to search the forum. ugrade and/or change the language of his rom and perform a radio upgrade only. Some read like a road map and get the concept, others just follow it as if they were in the driving seat and get that upgrade, then move on to another rom.
The chill factor is good for us all it keeps our devices working as phones.

windows mobile 6.0 ROM

http://bbs.pdafans.com/viewthread.php?tid=313145&extra=page=1&page=1
[ignore me]
V

Can you interpret the most important parts for us? (If there are any)

What I gather from my spotty mandarin, these guys managed to get their hands on an internal version of WM6 and have flashed it onto their devices.
Will read more and find out.

Managed to snag some photos by signing up at their forums...
Apparently its a chinese version of WM6 from Dopod...
This dude twinsdove mentions that WM6's speed is way better than WM5's...

Google is your best friend and also your enemy. Just use it the right way and everything is priceless...
http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=/language_tools

i want the wm6

i'll try to bulid a wm6 for D700.
just Believe in me

why cant we just get the original one and install y would u have to build it?

sorry.
i'll try made a rom can be used for Blueangel.
i can't build a rom for it by myself.this's microsoft's work.

i belive in you

getmad said:
Google is your best friend and also your enemy. Just use it the right way and everything is priceless...
http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=/language_tools
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It makes them sound really communistic. Haha.
Still, having a knowledge of mandarin as a second language helps a lot.

It'd be really nice to see WM6 on our BA's!!
Will we be seeing a release of the base OS so people will be able to create their own froms from this? (Sorry, but google is playing up and I don't have enough time to use babelfish and read everything in that thread).
Best of luck Winyong!

Nice to see more enthusiasts, but it is almost impossible to make crossbow works fine on blueangel (remember Motorola MPX200 and WM5) it will be something like this, but (there is always but) you will all have problems with porting crossbow core

Crossbow download, Download Link provide
The original thread does not exist anymore, I have no idea it was deleted by the poster or the Admin. of the site. Here is the new Link. You can download
18 rar files from it.
http://bbs.pdafans.com/thread-313480-1-3.html
P.S. The Rom is for Wizard, Not BA.

@lukecheng - I can't seem to find those 18 rars. Could you upload them to the FTP?

[jibbering meaninglessly]
V

Apologies Vijay, I wasn't really thinking there. Good catch.

xplode said:
Nice to see more enthusiasts, but it is almost impossible to make crossbow works fine on blueangel (remember Motorola MPX200 and WM5) it will be something like this, but (there is always but) you will all have problems with porting crossbow core
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doesn't hurt to have a go

Midget_1990 said:
doesn't hurt to have a go
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Yes bra XDA-devs always finds a way, evolution is upon us! haha sorry yoz

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5951.html
According to the *highly* ;-) reliable news source that is msmobiles.com, a universal rom has been leaked.
Looks like their highly patronising style of journalism strikes again, as the last time I checked came under the following category, but searching revealed nothing (EDIT until I went to Universal Upgrading forum) not that I have a Universal but was intrigued nonetheless.
"(but any Internet user who knows how to use search engines can find it easily)" - msmobiles
Am I right in thinking that if Crossbow ROMS turn up for other devices like Universal, then a port to BlueAngel is possible?

WARNING: Beware of pdaviet WM6 rom!!!

Hi all,
as most of you probably knows, today an alleged new WM6 rom from PDAVIET has been released.
Far from being 'new', this rom is nothing other than a copy of the leeked WM6 rom we all know plus a lot of 3rd party tools ripped off, without asking permission, from Faria's Aku3.3 rom. An evidence is in the image posted below, it has been found inside PDAVIET's rom but, if you look at the logo, you'll see Faria's name. This is only one of the many evidences i can give you.
Moreover, this rom includes many bugs and inconsistencies due to the indiscriminate mixing of WM5 and WM6 files.
That said, having long discussed the problem with Faria, we've decided to post this message to warn you against this rom and to make clear the following points:
1 - Faria is NOT involved in any way with this rom, the guys who prepared it or the site which originated it. Similarly, he is not involved with any of the WM6 roms you may find in this or other forums/blogs/warez sites.
The presence of documents and images containing Faria's name inside pdaviet's WM6 rom is due to the fact they "borrowed" some 3rd party software made or arranged by Faria himself. This doesn't imply any involment of Faria in the WM6 rom developing/publishing.
2 - The same can be said for all the other developers in this forum: Bepe, Molski, me and others. We are not in any way to be connected to any of the leeked wm6 roms out there.
3 - We, faria and me, strongly advise you against the use of pdaviet rom in your devices. By copying Faria's work and mixing WM5-only with WM6 files without even realizing what they were doing, pdaviet guys have proved all their incompetence in rom developing/cooking. That said, Faria DECLINES every responsibility for every problem you may experience by using his tools inside pdaviet's rom.
4 - Considering the irresponsible and illecit use of his work, Faria decided to stop developing/fixing applications for use in WM6 roms. For this reason, he won't publish anymore programs, fixes or workarounds for any problem/issue concerning any WM6 rom. The development will restart when and whether Microsoft will allow us to post WM6 roms in this forum.
Hoping for newer and better WM6 roms (and for MS's permission to use them ) we want to express you our best regards!!!
Bye bye

Well, I posted immediately upon trying their first attempt it was a botched job from the get go. Sad to hear that Faria is stearing clear of WM6 support but I can't blame him. He doesn't "need" us for anything. He's been doing an awesome job just helping us get up to speed where he already is.
Thanks for all of your help so far Faria. It is much appreciated and you've been very helpful. We will be anxiously waiting for a WM6 release from you and the rest of the gang.
-Mc

Ill wait too for your release of a rom

That will be a long wait probably never because they will only release the ROM when this condition is met:
"The development will restart when and whether Microsoft will allow us to post WM6 roms in this forum."
It's very unlikely MS will allow it

Ill still use the the leaked wm6 rom but will wait for a cooked rom from faria or
the other develepers in this forum that have done good roms.

PDAViet
I'd like to add that the reason to stay away from PDAViet's WM6 ROM is due to moral and ethical reasons of how they used Faria's work.
The actual ROM is considerably faster than the clean WM6 ROM. You need to change a registry key once installed to fix keyboard layout for english users.
It's a shame they released the ROM in such a devious way. If it didn't have Faria's work it would be worthwhile to install until such time as a better WM6 ROM comes along. It's definitely much more useable than the clean WM6 ROM which was doggy slow.
Also, I haven't noticed any additional bugs or inconsistencies other than the clean WM6 ROM.

look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.

Good Job
faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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After installing and using the 3.3 ROM that you had a hand in cooking I will gladly wait til you can oficially/legally release a cooked WM6 ROM. I agree that it was wrong for PDAVIET to use your work without permission so therefore I would not use that ROM. I understand the time that you put into something just to have it abused. I have learned alot just by reading all these posts and searching through the forums. I have been a member for over a year and really dont post unless its something that I definetely need help with. I would rather find it on my own and understand what Im doing rather than just install something and be completely dumb to what I just installed. Thank you all who are willing to help us and explain.

Makes perfect sence not too rock the boat when theres still so much live in the NEW 3.3 rom you only released this week

aSKED fOR tIME
faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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WE SHALL. ITS THE LEAST THAT WE CAN DO TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU EFFORTS.

faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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I actually was going to download the ROM yesterday and came accross the same views. There are other files in their forum that originate from here.
My view is that if you know of a tool that can help your viewers, explain the tool and link it to the thread that you found the tool at. They did not do that. I do not read Vietnamese but some of the apps I saw there were just blatantly stolen from here.
@FARIA: I truely agree with you when you say that Microsoft has been real good with their attitude with Mobile ROMS. I love their attitude where they have actually been very cool with leaving developers and phone companies develop/change the ROMs according to needs. I truely believe and respect Microsoft for them asking the ROMs to be taken off the FTP and doing it politely. Like I said on my other post, Microsoft attitude has changed for the better and I Love it !
@ Faria, Molski,bepe, risidoro and others :
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You guys have been great. Your solutions have truely helped me understand the WM. Without you guy's help, my learning curve would have been way higher. Keep on Keeping on Guys! Any help in reasearching or other you might need, please feel free to contact me.

dont use PDAVIET
i will not use PDAVIET WM6 roms!!
@faria - thanks for everything sir. i will patiently wait for the right time until your ROM arrives. more power

Didn't Faria just rip the HTC X-Button app off and put his name in it?
The 2 programs are EXACTLY alike.

lol not to start suttim but yea gldrush would seem so

GldRush98 said:
Didn't Faria just rip the HTC X-Button app off and put his name in it?
The 2 programs are EXACTLY alike.
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Put it this way. All of the cooked ROM are ripped off one way or another because MS never released it to the public. Even the HCT camera app is from HTC. In the mod screen which Faria put his signature you will see below it is "copy right 2000 - 2006" by HTC
I don't understand why some of the Posters in here are taking the "moral" high ground and declare that they won't use PDAVIET ROM, they despite it, etc...
The ROM runs great. The included apps are freeware. The camera app, copyright by HTC but extracted by Faria is posted in this forum and available to any Joe. I don't really care who cooked the ROM. As long as it run fast and good, I will use it. The most important thing for me is a good ROM not who did the cooking.

is the keyboard issue fixed?.. and what about these issues with wm5 files have u noticed them? hows this rom running for u.

jacob-mda said:
is the keyboard issue fixed?.. and what about these issues with wm5 files have u noticed them? hows this rom running for u.
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The keyboard has been fixed and will work with various language with the correct code (check the thread). I am not sure what WM5 issued that has been raised here. Haven't seen or read any where yet.

is it a little bit faster then the clean one or much faster? i dont wanna go thru reinstalling all my stuff if its just a slight performance increase.. know what i mean?

i cant see pdaviet rom in ftp site!!!can anyone let me know in ftp site in which folder pdaviet rom is so tat atleast i can see rom thorugh my eyes that its been posted or not!!!after that i wanna give my feedback!!
in which folder pdaviet rom is and whats the name of rom!!

...u should maybe READ the other threads.. jesus christ

positives about Dutty's Hybrid TouchFlo 7 Rom!

If you were previously using the HTC or AT&T rom then i highly suggest you upgrade to Dutty's rom.
1. its faster.
2. way better battery life.
3. tabbed task manager at the top
4. more free rom and ram.
5. better design.
6. more i cant think of, try it! its great!

does it still have the colored touch flo icons?

mikeeey said:
If you were previously using the HTC or AT&T rom then i highly suggest you upgrade to Dutty's rom.
1. its faster.
2. way better battery life.
3. tabbed task manager at the top
4. more free rom and ram.
5. better design.
6. more i cant think of, try it! its great!
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Hope Dutty comes soon with a clean.. lite rom.. not to much added 3d party software
Does this new Rom also includes the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework 3.5 RTM?

look closer at the posts of his roms...they do have lite versions.

Bouloama said:
Hope Dutty comes soon with a clean.. lite rom.. not to much added 3d party software
Does this new Rom also includes the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework 3.5 RTM?
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o but he does, his "lite" roms, i dont like them, i installed one on accident and there was basicly nothing on it. its extremely basic, i ment to install his touchFlo rom, so im downloading it now.
i dont think .NET 3.5 is already on, but its avaible right there on the topic.

I prefer Lite Roms because I can control better what to install, update and remove. I'm using his lite rom no. 6 and its awesome.

palm sms needed with mms control bad or palms sms that controls your entire sms through htc home etc

jym04 said:
I prefer Lite Roms because I can control better what to install, update and remove. I'm using his lite rom no. 6 and its awesome.
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i thought that too, but this rom was soo "lite" that there was nothing unique about it. i mean it was really no different than installing a lite HTC rom.

How does one upgrade the ROM? Is it just a transfer like a cab and then installation in the device, or is it more complicated? Some instructions on how to do that would be very useful. Can you point out where to find them? If it all fails and one needs to go back, would a Sprite restore bring back the previous ROM? Are there any incompatibilities with pre-installed programs? The ftp site lists three different Hybrid TouchFlo programs. How do they differ? Which one is the best recommended?

mikeeey said:
i thought that too, but this rom was soo "lite" that there was nothing unique about it. i mean it was really no different than installing a lite HTC rom.
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Well actually there's virtually no apps installed, not even the HTC ones. That means that I can install the ones I want. When there's an update, I feel that I can "properly" remove the old ones and install the new ones. They also come with some tweaks already included, and .NET 3.5.
So it feels like a "base pumped" ROM which I can fully customize.

Please give us some instructions on how you install a new ROM.

jym04 said:
Well actually there's virtually no apps installed, not even the HTC ones. That means that I can install the ones I want. When there's an update, I feel that I can "properly" remove the old ones and install the new ones. They also come with some tweaks already included, and .NET 3.5.
So it feels like a "base pumped" ROM which I can fully customize.
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yes i agree. its just that when i was saying his rom is unique, i think there's some pretty cool things on there, but im not sure what they are. like, i wouldnt know what to search for or what cab to install. so installing the lite rom i wouldnt even get those cool things.
however, if you want this rom not for the cool things he has, but for a blank rom, then the lite rom is the rom to get.

Bouloama said:
Hope Dutty comes soon with a clean.. lite rom.. not to much added 3d party software
Does this new Rom also includes the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework 3.5 RTM?
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If you are a very experienced user you may want a Lite ROM.
However, I found the fully loaded ROM has many advantages.
1. You may have some very useful softwares that you may not even aware they exist. So you will never look for those to put into the Lite ROM in the first place.
2. You will learn to use more applications and figure out good and bad ones first hand.
3. In the Lite version, you'll always find that the software that you need for the moment hasn't gotten installed even you have it in your download library. You'll miss the time and being agonized. As time goes time, you've accumulated all the right softwares in your custom machine, it is time to replace the machine with a new one. The current one just have never reach it full potential.
Kaiser has plenty memory space, a few extra softwares are not to kill it not like TOUCH which really just got a pretty face and no guts.
I recommend fully loaded ROM for casual users. Extra softwares do not increase weight of the machine provided the extra softwares do not cause stability issue. Stability usually caused by bad software. One lousy one can do it.
For example, I won't mind if I can get a 32G SD card and people loaded all the games and MP3 and Video for me.

michalopoulosgk said:
How does one upgrade the ROM? Is it just a transfer like a cab and then installation in the device, or is it more complicated? Some instructions on how to do that would be very useful. Can you point out where to find them? If it all fails and one needs to go back, would a Sprite restore bring back the previous ROM? Are there any incompatibilities with pre-installed programs? The ftp site lists three different Hybrid TouchFlo programs. How do they differ? Which one is the best recommended?
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I checked the wiki but still not clear.
I have the same questions as the above post.

CorruptedSanity said:
I checked the wiki but still not clear.
I have the same questions as the above post.
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If your still unsure on Flashing roms please read this first before attempting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332246

duttythroy said:
If your still unsure on Flashing roms please read this first before attempting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332246
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Yeah, that's exactly why I haven't tried to reflash my tilt - The "directions" in that post are so unclear and incomplete...
Someone who can write needs to create a step by step guide - no unexplained acronyms, a complete list of everything that is needed, and maybe a little explanation about why you have to do some of the steps.
I would happily write a post with this info, except that the directions for flashing are so bad that I can't understand how to do it.
Answer some basic questions, like, "can you flash an OS with no Radio - can you flash a radio with no OS?"
When you refer to downloading a ROM - Does that mean to the PC or to the device? OK, I've entered bootloader mode - now what? What's the next step? When I DL the ROM to the device, where should it be stored? What makes up a ROM? Is it one file or a bunch of files?
These are just some of the basic details that should be in a set of directions for flashing.
The HardSPL directions that are built into the install are pretty good - they step the user through every little detail. We need that for "flashing", because based on the information on this forum, it's not inherently obvious how to do it.
Regards,
Jeff

trick420 said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I haven't tried to reflash my tilt - The "directions" in that post are so unclear and incomplete...
Someone who can write needs to create a step by step guide - no unexplained acronyms, a complete list of everything that is needed, and maybe a little explanation about why you have to do some of the steps.
I would happily write a post with this info, except that the directions for flashing are so bad that I can't understand how to do it.
Answer some basic questions, like, "can you flash an OS with no Radio - can you flash a radio with no OS?"
When you refer to downloading a ROM - Does that mean to the PC or to the device? OK, I've entered bootloader mode - now what? What's the next step? When I DL the ROM to the device, where should it be stored? What makes up a ROM? Is it one file or a bunch of files?
These are just some of the basic details that should be in a set of directions for flashing.
The HardSPL directions that are built into the install are pretty good - they step the user through every little detail. We need that for "flashing", because based on the information on this forum, it's not inherently obvious how to do it.
Regards,
Jeff
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First of all, please stop being so demanding when you are in the situation of asking for help. Nobody here has obligation to teach you what you need to do to YOUR phone. They don't get paid to do that. I would suggest you to head to tytn/Hermes' wiki page to learn more before you try on your phone http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
Tilt or tytn II are still fairly new device on the market. Since tytn and tytn II are similar in many ways, you can use hermes/tytn's wiki for reference. Many of us, myself included, learn the process of flashing, upgrading, downgrading, and modifying through countless experiments or through other members here. I'd say - flash your phone with hardSPL first, then you are safe to do the rest if you can follow the directions. Once again, I am not trying to discourage you to ask for help, but please do respect others and their works. They have contributed a lot of time to make this forum the best and make our phones even better.

penpower said:
First of all, please stop being so demanding when you are in the situation of asking for help. Nobody here has obligation to teach you what you need to do to YOUR phone. They don't get paid to do that. I would suggest you to head to tytn/Hermes' wiki page to learn more before you try on your phone http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
Tilt or tytn II are still fairly new device on the market. Since tytn and tytn II are similar in many ways, you can use hermes/tytn's wiki for reference. Many of us, myself included, learn the process of flashing, upgrading, downgrading, and modifying through countless experiments or through other members here. I'd say - flash your phone with hardSPL first, then you are safe to do the rest if you can follow the directions. Once again, I am not trying to discourage you to ask for help, but please do respect others and their works. They have contributed a lot of time to make this forum the best and make our phones even better.
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I do not want to go offtopic, but you are waaaay out of line.
Ive been using online forums for 12 years now and have gotten to where I am because of nice,hardworking and helpful individuals.
Its Karma, in the end if you (people) help trick420 and I learn to flash our roms, they will benefit one day when they visit photography forums or want to travel to Northern Italy because I have posted very thorough articles and guides to Digital SLR Cameras and Lenses and travelling to places ive been.
His suggestions will in fact make this site better because it will allow others like him and me to learn and then eventually contribute to the forum. I personally am not a professional at WinMobile and have done my homework (read the wiki, googled terms,acronyms,procedures and so on) but have not really grasped the idea of flashing roms.
trick420 was not being demanding, you need to cool down.

penpower said:
First of all, please stop being so demanding when you are in the situation of asking for help. Nobody here has obligation to teach you what you need to do to YOUR phone. They don't get paid to do that. I would suggest you to head to tytn/Hermes' wiki page to learn more before you try on your phone http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
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Point taken, but my post was a comment, not a request for help, and was not demanding, just an observation. I'm just stating what, in my opinion, is wrong with the instructions posted so far. They lack so much information that a noob simply cannot figure out what to do at times.
A noob is just that - a noobie... How can you expect them to know that a Tytn is similar enough to a Tytn II that the same things apply? How would they know that?
The thread that Dutty refers everyone to that is a "noob" is now 11 pages long. The worst part of it is, the instructions on the first few posts don't even apply to Dutty's ROMs now because he's building them as an executable file (Great idea by the way), which makes me think he's simplified it to the point that you don't need to read the "flashing" ROM.
My point is this - if I'm a noob and I want to learn how to flash, I have to dig through 11 pages of a stickied post that is a year old just to figure out one step of the process. It takes way too much work to figure it all out, and then you'd better make sure that you don't forget something along the way.
Flashing a ROM should be a process to be learned by a noob, not a journey of discovery like it is now.
The wiki or sticky for flashing should be redone for clarity. For me, the flashing process is like a combination of a heavily fragmented hard drive and trying to find a windows registry key without the use of a search function.
Again, I'm not complaining just for the sake of complaining. If someone wants to send me a detailed process for flashing via PM or email for the Kaiser, I'll write it into a document that the average semi-technical noob can use. But until I figure all of this out I can't help. I'm a hardware and software engineer by trade, and I know as well as anyone that the one thing a programmer hates to do is to have to document a project or write a spec. I'm offering to do that if you programmers will support my questions and help me craft a good, readable document for the masses.
Regards,
Jeff

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Again, I'm not complaining just for the sake of complaining. If someone wants to send me a detailed process for flashing via PM or email for the Kaiser, I'll write it into a document that the average semi-technical noob can use. But until I figure all of this out I can't help. I'm a hardware and software engineer by trade, and I know as well as anyone that the one thing a programmer hates to do is to have to document a project or write a spec. I'm offering to do that if you programmers will support my questions and help me craft a good, readable document for the masses.
Regards,
Jeff
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Me too, ill help write out the guide on a beginner to intermediate level.

Downgrading Advice

Hi All,
My wife got my an XDA 11i it has an upgrade to wm 6.1, it works fine however the wifi doesnt work and it is a little slow, basically i would like to get back the original os version windows 2003 so my questions are as follows.
1. can i downgrade to the original oS
2. Where can i get the rom from
3. Or is there a standalone wireless driver.
Thanks in advance
Mark

Then Mark you have something a lot of people (not me) would give their eye teeth for a XDA IIi with more than 2003SE are you absolutely positive that you have????
But I would have thought that a download of the last "Real" ROM from O2's Irish site (loads of links around here if you search) would have sorted it back to 2003SE

Its definitely 6.1 but without wireless its useless to me as i need to use it on the move wirelessly, what are the irish url's
I needs these roms asap and you could spend weeks on this site serching the forum and ive just started a business and i require the xda on the go.
i just want a xda11i original rom so i can make sure the wireless isnt a hardware issue them i may upgrade again once i know it works.
Thanks Mark

Given all the information above i would say this is actually an XDA II, aka Himalaya, that would account for both the WM6.1 and the absence of WiFi. easy way to check is go to
Start - Settings - Device Information and select the Identity tab, report back which Model it is. i am not a gambling person but even money says it is PH10B, this makes it a Himalaya.
As for the advice re ROMs and Ireland site, search www.O2.ie for ROMs for both Himalaya and Alpine, XDA II and IIi respectively. Make sure you get the right ROM as you run the risk of wrecking it completely.

Hi Deedee,
It looks like it is an XDA 11, so it looks like there aint no wireless.
So it is now the xda 2003 rom i need.
Thanks

It's Xmas, I am in a good mood so here's the link, just pick the right ROM.
O2 ireland XDA ROM
Took two clicks and one search, go to O2.ie, search for "XDA ROM" and pick the fourth option.
Personally i'd stay with WM6.1, the Himalaya I have for mucking about with is WM6, never felt the need to return to WM2003. Is there a technical reason for downgrading? You are going to fond so much that won't work it's probably not worth the effort, apart from the experience. Also you may not get the Extended ROM back even following the downgrade.