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question for people with opera mobile

hey guys, i was wondering which version of opera mobile you guys are using. i download opera mobile version 8.65 for smartphone and when i installed it, it wouldnt let me open anything in settings and i was wondering i was supposed to download one for pda or something else beside one for smartphone. thank you

I use 8.65 for PPC. Make sure you have the right version - they have several.

hslayer said:
hey guys, i was wondering which version of opera mobile you guys are using. i download opera mobile version 8.65 for smartphone and when i installed it, it wouldnt let me open anything in settings and i was wondering i was supposed to download one for pda or something else beside one for smartphone. thank you
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v8.65 for PPC works great here.

yep the PPC one is diffrent, its the high memory version.

so ppc version for smartphone correct?

What's the big advantage of Opera Mobile over Opera Mini? I like that Mobile is native, but Mini has the zoom in/out feature that makes it really nice to use. I heard Mobile 9 is going to have that feature, but is there some other reason to spend money on 8.65?

Seems like a big mix up in this thread.
You have a ppc , not a smartphone.
So download the ppc version.
And the high memory version refers to opera mini only!
Opera mini is not the same as opera mobile.
Opera mobile is a full stand alone web browser.
Opera mini is a java app , nice browser tho but a completely different program.

java would generaly performe worse then native pocketpc applications
but not sure if the compress pages thing of mini mean that it's load times are generaly better but the general performce is lower for java and also .net applications
prob less for .net as ms prob put some efford into making .net faster then the verious java midlets makers to save face

Kaiser and the Internet "pda friendly"

Hi All,
Has anyone else noticed that the Kaiser / IE seems to redirect you to a "pda friendly" version of a website.. I found this alot with News Sites and its nothing like the site you get from a standard PC/Desktop. I dont know how it knows I'm searching from my Kaiser and dont like the "pda friendly" pages, is there anyway to override this "feature" - After all I like to think I am getting to the actual website I want and not what "they" want...

It isn't the Kaiser that takes you to the PDA site. When you access the webserver that hosts the site it checks what browser you are requesting the page from.

neilarmstrong99 said:
Hi All,
Has anyone else noticed that the Kaiser / IE seems to redirect you to a "pda friendly" version of a website.. I found this alot with News Sites and its nothing like the site you get from a standard PC/Desktop. I dont know how it knows I'm searching from my Kaiser and dont like the "pda friendly" pages, is there anyway to override this "feature" - After all I like to think I am getting to the actual website I want and not what "they" want...
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You can avoid this and see the 'real' web by downloading and installing Opera. There is a setting in opera 9.5b's options to see the full web page rather than the mobile version.

Thanks there - I guess I should have known it was the Sites server etc and not the Kaiser.... So IE can't do it then, not had any experience with Opera so will give it a go (assuming I can find it) also I hear there is a Firefox version around called Minimo but again not used it before and dont know if it can do what Opera can....
Many thanks, will let you know how I get on.

Minimo was abandoned somewhere in 2006 at v0.2, was pretty unusable compared to today's browsers like Opera.

Hi,
Thanks for all the advice, yes I can see the pro's of Opera. Very sleek and lets me see the "proper" web page as opposed to the "pda friendly". Shame about Minimo tho as I like Firefox.... Here's to happy web surfing.

neilarmstrong99 said:
Thanks there - I guess I should have known it was the Sites server etc and not the Kaiser.... So IE can't do it then,
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PIE isn't that great... but in these cases the owners of those particular sites have set it up to give a special version of their sites.
Its possible to get to the real version by messing with the user agent... but Opera does it soooooooo much better there isn't really any point. Opera mini 4 is free and works on any java enabled mobile phone (including the kaiser)
Opera Mobile 9.5 is available as a free beta version for windows mobile devices. Eventually they will release a commercial version which they will charge for and this is the one you really want on your kaiser (and should be worth the money!)

Opera 9.5 Hardware Keyboard Issue [cooks PLEASE read]

Dear Cooks,
Firstly I would like to thank all of you for the fantastic ROMs you make available to all the Xperia users. I personally appreciate your work and have also made some donations to express my support for your endeavours.
This post is to signal a bug that is present in many roms, yet it is not the fault of the cooks.
THE PROBLEM
Opera 9.5 has issues with the hardware keyboard of the Xperia. In most builds opera 9.5 will not allow the use of the HW keyboard to type text in the web pages (i.e. keyboard works to write in the opera address bars; however it does not work to type in the web page itself: like in google home page, or in the home page of Airlines when you need to write the details of your destination etc. etc.).
This problem is particularly bad beacuse Opera is very often cooked in the Rom ad the default browser and is associated to the TF3D internet tab. Under these circumstances Opera cannot be uninstalled and substituted with a working version; moreover installing a working version on top of the non working one produces many bugs.
A HUMBLE SUGGESTION
Plesase, when cooking your roms could you try implementing one of the Opera 9.5 builds that are proven to be compatible with the HW keyboard of the Xperia? For one, I know that build 15969 works.
Link: http://rapidshare.com/files/210069981/WM6.1_PPC_dawn_Opera_15969_signed.cab
[Props to Ds07 for the link]
It is not the most recent version, I know. However it works well enough.
Thank you very much.
P.S. If anyone is aware of other possible solutions to this issue, please feel free to contribute to this thread.

maybe make a poll and see what ppl want......rhodium opera vs x1 opera
x1 opera will enable hardware keyboard and reduce ram usage as it does not run in background.
but it will also mean that opera will boot slower AND pushinternet wont work!

@agent_47
I see your point.
However, having the HW keyboard disabled on my default browser appears like a rather big problem when compared to little benefit that "pushinternet" brings.
Moreover, if I am not mistaken, Pushinternet is a Manila feature only. While Opera versions with non functioning HW Keyboard are found in ALL roms.

I agree, this makes the whole HW-keyboard useless as I mostly use it in Opera. I just flashed EnergyRom and this is really annoying

i cant understand the discussion? why not just install an opera build over the preinstalled build then it will work, i dont see an big issue in it.

My oscar goes to the hardware keyboard version..
I find the Push Internet version is just a waste of space in ROM, as i don't need it and it is definetly < HW keyboard support!
That's why i bought an Xperia.. Because of its keyboard!

cHarOn99 said:
i cant understand the discussion? why not just install an opera build over the preinstalled build then it will work, i dont see an big issue in it.
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This is a VERY inefficient solution. For example in the current NRG rom installing an opera build that works with HW keyboard over the preinstalled one renders Opera unusable. When that happens, you have the default browser that is associated with numerous file extensions that won't work anymore.
Moreover, if you try installing 9.7 on top of the preinstalled Opera, it simply won't work.
I have investigated this quite a bit; it's a topic that has come up for many other devices. Removing a specific opera build to replace it with another one is very hard when opera is originally cooked in the Rom.
For me, being unable to use the HW keyboard in the default browser is a rather big issue.

I agree with having the version that includes keyboard support.
For what it's worth even Opera 9.7b1 supports out keyboard better, even though there is no push support... push....hm, anyone here remember the PointCast network and client...
Agent 47's latest ROMs have been the best all around versions I've used so far (giving credit and thanks to the entire cookin' devs however)... with the exception of the Opera niggle...
I end up using the Iris browser, to avoid having multiple Opera versions running

nsane said:
@agent_47
Moreover, if I am not mistaken, Pushinternet is a Manila feature only. While Opera versions with non functioning HW Keyboard are found in ALL roms.
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Push Internet MUST use that particular Opera to work. I like the PushInternet idea once, but finally give it up and use stock Opera instead because it preloading single page w/o sub sequence links is pretty useless to the whole browsing experience.
That's why I leave Opera alone and let user install whatever version they like.

I believe some interesting elements are emerging:
1) Non Manila ROMs are probably better off with Opera 15969 or any Opera build that supports HW keyboard
2) Manila ROMs have the issue of PushInternet.
Personally, considering the limited benefits of this function and the highcost in terms of RAM....I would definitely prefer having a version of Opera that supports HW keyboard.
I guess it will come down to what the cooks prefer.
However, it would be nice if cooks and users alike continued expressing their opinion on the matter.

jackleung said:
Push Internet MUST use that particular Opera to work. I like the PushInternet idea once, but finally give it up and use stock Opera instead because it preloading single page w/o sub sequence links is pretty useless to the whole browsing experience.
That's why I leave Opera alone and let user install whatever version they like.
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i totally agree with u...pushinternet IS pretty useless...BUT when i installed opera 9.7 and let out Push internet, some one reported a bug that he cant use it even when he activates it from registry and manilla

this also bugs me. pretty every ROM i try has this issue. surfing the web is pretty pointless imho if u cant search for anything. i mean ... the only reason we all bought this phone was the keyboard and then we cant use it. this makes most custom rom's somehwat useless to me (for me ... dont start any flaming cause thats my opinion. and opinions are like assholes. every1 has one ^^).

yes yes yes..!! this is the post.. u r da man!!
i would really dissapointed to see my opera is still couldnt use hardware ky..!!
i tried opera 9.7 b1 with hardware keyboard.. it works well.. disable the push web straight away.. haha

I bought my X1 because of the decent HW keyboard, not because of Push Internet

You can flash roms without Opera, like me. I've installed my stock 15431 Opera from russian r3a007 over 3.61 BareBone ant I haven't any problems with it.
And I think 3.61 BB rom is one of the best working roms out there.

sorry, doublepost

this IS the holy grail thread for a majority of x1 opera users...
i just posted in agent_47's thread about this being one of the outstanding issues i'm experiencing with his rom, and someone actually has the decency to make it into a brand new thread. But yea, I thought this issue was 'isolated' and that other rom cookers were using the default r3a opera /w full hw kb support on theirs and i preferred the valkyrie so i just wanted to swop out the opera running on it...
turns out every romcooker is doing the same. I daresay the first cook that puts in a fully functional opera is gonna nab the most popularity. What i don't understand, as romcooks and xperia x1 users, how did you guys manage to live with using the measly software kb to use opera!? ?

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turns out every romcooker is doing the same. I daresay the first cook that puts in a fully functional opera is gonna nab the most popularity.
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That's a bit exaggerated... there have always been good and popular ROMs around with proper HW keyboard support.
It's just that most of us here are "freaks": Easily hyped with new functions and higher version numbers (even if there's no real benefit) - and less interested in 100% stability and usability.
But there are always ROMs around which offer less bling-bling-featuritis - they are just not on forum page 1. The choice is up to yourself.

well yea i guess everyone would wanna go for the bling and the functionality.
there are probably a 100 other romcookers out there, but i guess my statement was targetted towards the more popular ones that people actually use .

This is the first time Im doing a post on xda dwvelopers. And it is bacause I would realy like to know whenever someome finds a solution for enabling hw keyboard to woerk with Opera browswrs that comes with coocked ROMs.., Sorry for the typing mistakes but my hw keyboard is not working.

Diamond quirks!

Hello
I have a couple of minor problems with my diamond.
I have this ROM on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553844
..and this is what i can't figure out:
1) why are days with appointements not market (diff color, or triangles in corners..) in touchflo2 calendar? if i'm to remember everything there is no point in a calendar.
2) i am unable to connect to 3g (or edge or anything).
These are the settings:
Name of the profile: Tele2 WAP
homepage: http://wap.tele2.hr
APN: internet.tele2.hr
Proxy: 130.244.196.090
I have no idea where to put APN and Proxy, because i can't find them anywhere when i choose to create a new connection.
3) Is there any other app for contact management that i could put in touchflo "ribbon" besides the default one? the default one is not practical at all.
4) can i put newer versions on touchflo3d?
I understand that i could probably find these answers somewhere, but i am a total noob and i'd feel safer if i got a straight answer.
Thanks.

it would be helpful if you filled in the blanks like who's your carrier and country of location. look up at the right side of my name; it says AT&T and it's in the US.
what you're asking is like saying my car doesn't run well and i'm using Conti tires. ok... what kind of car and what kind of tires in what kind of conditions?
we can solve this mystery with more info. much thanks!

1) As amazing as the cooks are on here thay dont have the same ability to qc there roms like htc so dont expect them to be perfect just be glad we have these cooks workin there asses of for us
2) if u think u should be getting better reception try flash a new radio.
3) APN Stands for access point name, you put in in the field that says access point lol also the proxy goes in the advanced settings at the end of the connection setup wizzard
4) yeeees ofcourse you can, the vga version of sence 2.5 has just been ported (Sence is the new name for htc's touchflo 3d ui) look in the rom development section for new roms with this version of the touchflo
enjoy your diamond

Ok, so i'm from croatia, my carrier is tele2, and here are the settings:
http://www.tele2.hr/podrska_korisnicima/upute_i_postavke.html
What about the calendar?
Can i install new versions of manilla over the one i have on the phone? will diamond be able to handle them? thats actualy the reason i asked because people said that diamond becomes slugish with 2.5.
Actualy, it's not me, it's my friends phone, i'm just inquiring in his name.
Anyway, i'll try the network settings once more when i meet up with that frien of mine.
Thanks

touchflo is massive, there are hundreds of files, its better to flash a rom with the version of touchflo you want, i think u can download touchflo 2.1 from the development and hacking section tho...
yeah touchflo 2.5 is even slow on my hd lol its cuz the hd2 is miiiiiiles more powerful than our devices lol

i would skip tough flow and go directly with something like SPB Shell V3.05. it's a lot more fluid and customizable

chivas228 said:
i would skip tough flow and go directly with something like SPB Shell V3.05. it's a lot more fluid and customizable
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the latest build of spb shell 3.5 is not compatible with windows mobile 6.5.1 yet as it covers up the bottom taskbar and only leaves you the top one

Windows ce7

Alright,
This is running windows ce7 but its not actually a phone, its a RF unit. But i need to install Java on it.. Any way of doing that?
Also,
What is a good browser to use? internet explorer sucks... I do not have an app store so if you could provide me with the file i can just simply drag into the application folder ID appreciate it
THANKS

You'd do better to ask in the WP7 forum (does anybody hang out there anymore?) as WP8 uses the NT kernel and has very different structure from CE-based devices. It's also not binary-compatible with them.
Opera is the go-to non-IE browser for most mobile devices that don't run Android, iOS, or (a descendant of) Maemo. Pretty sure Opera Mobile is available for CE still, but I haven't paid any attention to that OS family recently.

Thanks for the response.. I'll continue looking... I hate this OS but its all we really have to work with right now :crying: