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Kaiser Performance vs. TyTN/Hermes

What are people's observations re: performance of Kaiser? I've been using Hermes (8525) since last January, have gone through a few ROMs (now using vp3G's latest WM6 ROM), and I continue being annoyed by sluggish performance. With more ROM, a better CPU, and a different graphic chipset, I wonder how much better the Kaiser is at these two...
opening the keyboard... on the 8525 it takes at least a second for the device to handle that, and another second or two for the keyboard to become responsive. Very annoying, especially when I need to type in a GoodLink password or type up a quick response to an email.
waking up... depending on the apps running, it can take a half second to a second after I push the power button and before the home screen fully redraws (this is specific to waking up to the home screen)

Can someone please run some benchmarks on both phones!! would really like to see the performance difference, before i upgrade to TYTN II...

What benchmarks would you like to see run?
Subjectively, the II is a little nippier than the I, but not revelatory. The Ameo is still much faster at web page rendering, eg. But that could be as a result of a better radio as well as more horsepower under the hood.
The GPS seems pretty good. Finds satellites faster than the Ameo.

Is the GPS as good as the Sirf-III implementations??

meanvulcan said:
What are people's observations re: performance of Kaiser? I've been using Hermes (8525) since last January, have gone through a few ROMs (now using vp3G's latest WM6 ROM), and I continue being annoyed by sluggish performance. With more ROM, a better CPU, and a different graphic chipset, I wonder how much better the Kaiser is at these two...
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Kaiser's performance compared to Hermes with WM6 (LVSW and Dopod's lately) is MUCH better. Waking up device - split second, literally. Switching to landscape - well, still takes a little bit of time, but looks snappier. Rebooting also clearly faster. So far I am really happy with it's performance, but don't forget, it has just been released. True judgements will come after some time of daily usage...

so Kaiser turns on fast - that's good. Does the clock update instantly, or do you have to wait a few seconds for it to update like the HTC Wizard?

thedogger said:
so Kaiser turns on fast - that's good. Does the clock update instantly, or do you have to wait a few seconds for it to update like the HTC Wizard?
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The wizard is a couple steps down the line as far as performance and hardware.
on the 8525 the clock is instant.

thedogger said:
so Kaiser turns on fast - that's good. Does the clock update instantly, or do you have to wait a few seconds for it to update like the HTC Wizard?
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Didn't actually looked at it specifically, but I've just switched phone on, and clock was showing correct time without delay.

Can you try running a benchmark using SKTools? I'm really very curious...

DaVince said:
Can you try running a benchmark using SKTools? I'm really very curious...
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Where can I get it? I never used benchmarks on my phone.

eva_d said:
Where can I get it? I never used benchmarks on my phone.
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Please get the SPB BENCHMARK from somewhere and letus know
Nadavi

Nadavi said:
Please get the SPB BENCHMARK from somewhere and letus know
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I've got it now, but it says it should be done on freshly hard-reset device, takes ~35 minutes to complete benchmark, and it may destroy some user data. How sweet. Are you sure it's safe? To be honest, I don't like the idea of putting my data and possible hard-reset into risk, so maybe some volunteer with freshly unboxed Kaiser could get up for it?

eva_d said:
I've got it now, but it says it should be done on freshly hard-reset device, takes ~35 minutes to complete benchmark, and it may destroy some user data. How sweet. Are you sure it's safe? To be honest, I don't like the idea of putting my data and possible hard-reset into risk, so maybe some volunteer with freshly unboxed Kaiser could get up for it?
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yeah it's safe.
Do a BACKUP (SPRITE BACKUP of SPB BACKUP)
HR the device
install SPB Benchmark.
RUN it.
Publish the results.
HR the device again.
Restore you backup.
Nadavi

Nadavi said:
yeah it's safe.
Do a BACKUP (SPRITE BACKUP of SPB BACKUP)
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To be honest, I really hate the idea of doing HR just to get benchmark, and you are getting Kaiser tomorrow, as I found out on modaco, so maybe you could benchmark it, how about it?

eva_d said:
To be honest, I really hate the idea of doing HR just to get benchmark, and you are getting Kaiser tomorrow, as I found out on modaco, so maybe you could benchmark it, how about it?
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Yeah sure, not a problem, but i'll charge my device 12Hrs before usage
NAdavi

You could just leaved it plugged in to the USB charger.
Of course, the benchmark is useless without also benchmarking other systems such as the Tytn, etc...

Can any body test the performance on TCPMP? If you can, can you brenchmark with the Matrix Reload 640 x 480 Trailer ?

Anxiously awaiting results

meanvulcan said:
Anxiously awaiting results
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Hey,
I'm in a quite busy time here, barely had time to install stuff on my device.
i will Benchmark it in few days....
Nadavi..

You can try SKTools without having to worry about backing up files. Btw, it's just a trial version... just uninstall it once you're done. Thanks.

Good news for Kaiser users: CorePlayer 1.2 will entirely fix the video problems!

See http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.0

sounds coool, I wonder how they want to fix the misssing driver support...

If you read the explanation posted on that forum -
The issue was that they used something called QTV for overlay (undocumented qualcomm driver).
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I'm assuming "they" is HTC, which suggests that the driver support isn't missing, it's just not working very well, and Coreplayer have switched to something else.

G Reat News

That is very interesting also for all the future users of Polaris too!

Boinng said:
If you read the explanation posted on that forum -
I'm assuming "they" is HTC, which suggests that the driver support isn't missing, it's just not working very well, and Coreplayer have switched to something else.
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Yes, maybe they are NOT missing (as some people have said) and this is the first app that actually uses the correct calls.
Can we get rid of that sticky now??

how will i get the additional driver or update for my htc tytn II? when will this be available?

kurashige said:
how will i get the additional driver or update for my htc tytn II? when will this be available?
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There is no additional driver or update for the Tytn II, only a new version of Coreplayer which is compatible with the driver already in the Tytn II. This will be on sale in the new year.

Farsquidge said:
Can we get rid of that sticky now??
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This guy is the definition of annoying...

dsyro said:
This guy is the definition of annoying...
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Sorry, I did not say remove the thread, that would be wrong. I just asked if it could be made un-sticky!

Do you mean petition thread?
That petition is much more general. It touches problems with accelerated 3D graphics as well as video playback issues.
None of these are solved yet. I don't see any reason for un-sticky-ing that thread.
Bottom line: No, I don't think that petition will solve anything. But I still like people to know about Kaiser's problems.

omikr0n said:
Do you mean petition thread?
That petition is much more general. It touches problems with accelerated 3D graphics as well as video playback issues.
None of these are solved yet. I don't see any reason for un-sticky-ing that thread.
Bottom line: No, I don't think that petition will solve anything. But I still like people to know about Kaiser's problems.
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Unlike others who, for reasons that escape us all, would rather hide them under the carpet

Ahhh... You people and your petitions.... very amusing.
Now come on, don't all jump on me now... It's cute that you have an interest and you feel that your 'doing something'

greeek said:
Ahhh... You people and your petitions.... very amusing.
Now come on, don't all jump on me now... It's cute that you have an interest and you feel that your 'doing something'
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It would be a pity if the problem was solved and admins could put a block on certain people downloading from this site.....

Will this fix in any way help with the Camera/Video Camera jerky/blurry-video issue?
Either way it's nice to see some solutions are finally surfacing.

Menneisyys said:
See http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.0
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Really, you call this good news? This is horrible news. And it isn't even correct either.
They haven't solved anything, they're just used a propriety technology driver to do something that by all means SHOULD WORK with the already existing and used-in-every-normal-program DirectDraw and GDI.
This gives HTC even LESS incentive to fix our problems, since there is now (a particularly bad) workaround.
So now we have to use a custom player we have to pay for to do something our device should have done already out-of-the-box, and it still doesn't solve our GDI, DD, D3D or GLES issues.
You call this good news, I call this a farce.
(And actually, the correct GDI/DD should be able to decide when to actually use QTV and do this internally, just like the KS20 D3Dm driver uses GLES internally)

Chainfire said:
Really, you call this good news? This is horrible news.
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It is very good news for anyone wanting to watch videos with CorePlayer. Noone else, I know. But, at least, video playback becomes much easier.
Chainfire said:
This gives HTC even LESS incentive to fix our problems
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Do you really think HTC would fix these issues? They haven't even fixed the two-year-old touchscreen CPU usage issue plaguing ALL 2.8" HTC phones... a major pain in the back with ALL these phones.

Menneisyys said:
It is very good news for anyone wanting to watch videos with CorePlayer. Noone else, I know. But, at least, video playback becomes much easier.
Do you really think HTC would fix these issues? They haven't even fixed the two-year-old touchscreen CPU usage issue plaguing ALL 2.8" HTC phones... a major pain in the back with ALL these phones.
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Which is why my next device will not be a HTC device. I am seriously thinking of switching to the new US nokia with the upgraded ram and cpu.

Bratag said:
Which is why my next device will not be a HTC device. I am seriously thinking of switching to the new US nokia with the upgraded ram and cpu.
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You mean the N95-3? That's a very nice model - highly recommended.

Farsquidge said:
Sorry, I did not say remove the thread, that would be wrong. I just asked if it could be made un-sticky!
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If any sticky gets removed it should be the "The thread to address ALL TILT-specific questions". What a mess that turned into. It is completely useless. In addition to the length and disjointed topics, many of the questions aren't even Tilt specific. The first several posts should be moved to the wiki, glean what you can from the rest and let that abomination fade into a long overdue digital oblivian! ...nuf said
Back on topic, I think this is good news but the petitioned issue still stands. Core Player will help for encoded video only, and has not yet been released. Until I see it, I am sceptical. Plus it requires an additional purchase for something that should be free. Still, being able to transcode my video library once and be able to play on multiple devices with respectible quality will make it well worth the price.
So I will probably wind up using it if/when it does come out and if it does indeed work, but I still think the petition thread serves a good purpose, if only to make potential purchasers aware of the situation, and also what to expect form HTC support (which is basiaclly nothing).

New Tilt ROM from HTC today

1.62.502.0
http://www.america.htc.com/support/tilt/software-downloads.html

Sweet, any guinea pigs update already?

whoodie said:
Sweet, any guinea pigs update already?
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Just flashed. Reinstalling SW now.

Cool, let me know if you think the update is worth it. I have time to do it today, but only if it is worth it.

not to point out the obvious, but there are already like 3 threads about this.

Hi,
Just tried the link, but it seems to go to a Blackberry Connect Software update not the new ROM? Am I just not seeing it?
thanks,
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whoodie said:
Cool, let me know if you think the update is worth it. I have time to do it today, but only if it is worth it.
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This is directly from the dload link page:
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This software update provides:
Enhanced Bluetooth performance.
Enables DTMF tones for the slide-out QWERTY keyboard.
Improves overall device performance and stability.
Includes Microsoft Adaptation Kit Update (AKU) 0.4.4. "
To me, I never noticed a bluetooth issue to begin with, but seems o.k.
and the part about "device performance and stability" seems good.

again this title of this thread should read att tilt rom pdate not htc kaiser update since i am pretty sure everyone thought an update to the actual htc branded kaiser variant!!

leoiden said:
again this title of this thread should read att tilt rom pdate not htc kaiser update since i am pretty sure everyone thought an update to the actual htc branded kaiser variant!!
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All fixed.

Well, it doesn't fix the issue of using Bluetooth and WiFi simultaneouly, which is what I was looking for.
Oh, well.

sinanju said:
Well, it doesn't fix the issue of using Bluetooth and WiFi simultaneouly, which is what I was looking for.
Oh, well.
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I don't understand, I am connected wi-fi and am using bluetooth to listen to tunes, no problem. If you mean something to do with tethering and bluetooh, not sure about that.
edit-maybe you are referring to it stopping for a split second if you try to surf?
yup, still get that.

I was so excited to see this until I checked my ROM version and saw that I was already running it. I've had my Tilt for about a month now. Go figure.
Edit: I was looking at the screenshot!! This is a new ROM!

Alemaker said:
This is directly from the dload link page:
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This software update provides:
Enhanced Bluetooth performance.
Enables DTMF tones for the slide-out QWERTY keyboard.
Improves overall device performance and stability.
Includes Microsoft Adaptation Kit Update (AKU) 0.4.4. "
To me, I never noticed a bluetooth issue to begin with, but seems o.k.
and the part about "device performance and stability" seems good.
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I am hesitant to get the new rom because I dont feel like re-installing / configuring everything. However...enhanced BlueTooth performance? Anyone know if this fixes the Bluetooth issues with Infiniti / Nissan vehicles? I'm gonna have to take the plunge if it does

I flashed my device and just finished installing software.
My device is noticeably snappier. Windows draw quicker and my videos play a bit better. Not a ton, but enough to notice.
It's likely because of doing a reset on it though.
I'll test it for a couple days and post my findings.
Bluetooth seems louder though.

riot1031 said:
I was so excited to see this until I checked my ROM version and saw that I was already running it. I've had my Tilt for about a month now. Go figure.
Edit: I was looking at the screenshot!! This is a new ROM!
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I'm not sure I understand this. Are you saying that the screen shot on that link is NOT the version to be downloaded? If that's the case that sure is misleading.
I have the exact version on the screen shot.

downloading now..radio says 14.09R2 like they upgraded the radio...we will see. im pretty happy with 6.1

On the other thread on this topic, the version confusion is pointed out. The very first sentence says it is 1.062...somethign or other.
The print screen is very misleading. Right where it talks about be sure you aren't using the same version you are downloading, and they have a print screen you would think that is of the new version to compare your version to. But it isn't.
Anyway if you are the version that shows in the print screen this is a newer version.

djshmack said:
I am hesitant to get the new rom because I dont feel like re-installing / configuring everything. However...enhanced BlueTooth performance? Anyone know if this fixes the Bluetooth issues with Infiniti / Nissan vehicles? I'm gonna have to take the plunge if it does
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No it doesn't. I did not see any improvement on 2007 Infiniti G35x.

I've certainly seen an improvement in performance of my phone, but I'm with the post above in that the reset itself is probably partly to thank. This time around windows mobile wasn't new to me so I did everything the way I wanted the first time.

HTCclassaction - drivers are here! (NOT)

Breaking news: HTC's WM6.1 Update is here (?), ROM analysis and video driver news. Read more...
http://www.htcclassaction.org/#update_20080521_1

SpeedyTuning said:
Breaking news: HTC's WM6.1 Update is here (?), ROM analysis and video driver news. Read more...
http://www.htcclassaction.org/#update_20080521_1
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Wasn't it concluded that the Dutch version (even though it improved the graphics benchmark) did not really improve the video play?

i dont understand everything, but i send news info, for users which doesnt look for HTCclassaction

I liked this part most of all.
Before we continue on that point, there's something else you should know. There is also a leaked Diamond ROM. We have pulled this ROM apart and guess what: it has graphics drivers! They follow the same structure as the KS20 drivers too, with the "ahi2dati" driver at the core of the hardware accelerated graphics, talking to the hardware. It seems to be a bit more compatible with the current Kaiser ROMs, but note we have not compared the internal calls (yet!) to the new leaked NLD and WWE ROMs. Also note that because of this construct, it does not seem to be possible do drop in the libgles_cm hardware 3D driver.
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hmm not so good

pretty misleading subject line then... maybe should have been something like "Drivers are here!! (On the Diamond)" or something like that, because the way its looking, we are still going to be without drivers from HTC...thanks alot.

Why create such a thread title if not only is it not true, but you have no idea on what you're talking about? Seriously, stop spreading stupid rumors and making stuff up

Well it does say that they think they have the leaked FIX (not driver) over at modaco.com..
I just don't think people realize that a driver and a fix are two different things. On the bright side, it does seem that the driver we do have might be upgraded to something a bit better. Maybe not 100% but still better then what we do have.
(and dont' way we don't have a driver at all, you do have video on your phone)

rcm_rx7 said:
pretty misleading subject line then... maybe should have been something like "Drivers are here!! (On the Diamond)" or something like that, because the way its looking, we are still going to be without drivers from HTC...thanks alot.
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Absolutely! I was so excited when I saw the subject line and so disappointed when I saw what it was talking about....sigh....

according to htc our hardware doesn't support graphic acceleration (don't know how much truth is there) so i don't even know if its worth following the driver update ...

thesire said:
according to htc our hardware doesn't support graphic acceleration (don't know how much truth is there) so i don't even know if its worth following the driver update ...
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No according to HTC we don't use the hardware.
The wording matters.

ChumleyEX said:
No according to HTC we don't use the hardware.
The wording matters.
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thanks for the clarrification senior

Indeed the title of this topic is a bit misleading, BUT there is some good news at HTCClassAction:
If this is true, it would definitely open doors to bringing full hardware acceleration to the TyTN II, and possibly other MSM7x00 based devices. We have a TyTN II ROM that somehow touches the accelerated video hardware (NLD, probably WWE), we have fully accelerated drivers from HTC (Diamond), and we already have some prior experience due to the KS20 drivers. Throw them all together and it suddenly becomes a lot more likely the community will be able to bring full graphics drivers to the affected devices. Interesting times! Stay tuned, the effort has already begun!
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There is still hope!!

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Well it does say that they think they have the leaked FIX (not driver) over at modaco.com..
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modaco.com was also one of the early Kaiser reviewers who either deliberately or ignorantly didn't comment on the graphics problems in the first place. That site has zero credibility in my book.

greenbrd said:
modaco.com was also one of the early Kaiser reviewers who either deliberately or ignorantly didn't comment on the graphics problems in the first place. That site has zero credibility in my book.
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I've had a stinking feeling that reviewers were reviewing preproduction devices that had drivers. That is what the Sedna review from the Spanish site Todo Smartphone.com leads me to believe anyway. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381254
Perhaps it's not their fault. I would like to see them always do ROM dumps and benchmarks.

Digitaltigre said:
I've had a stinking feeling that reviewers were reviewing preproduction devices that had drivers. That is what the Sedna review from the Spanish site Todo Smartphone.com leads me to believe anyway. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381254
Perhaps it's not their fault. I would like to see them always do ROM dumps and benchmarks.
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Maybe, but the threat of being cut off from future preproduction review units could have something to do with the silence of some of the review sites.
Not to accuse anybody of anything in this case, but I worked in IT publishing for a long time and saw a lot of dirty tricks played by the tech companies.

definitely a crap ?

definitely a crap ?
well guys , many of you now have it and many of us are thinking to buy...but... there are some worst rumors....
give us a definitely judge , thanks

stesa said:
definitely a crap ?
well guys , many of you now have it and many of us are thinking to buy...but... there are some worst rumors....
give us a definitely judge , thanks
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i love it, works like a charm for me, but you need to take others opinions like a grain of salt until you actually try the device yourself..

I think the Diamond will have some issues as lots of other devices, but they'll be worked out with later ROMs.

Are you in the USA? If so how can it work like a charm with NO 3G or 850Mhz support? So if you are an AT&T NO EDGE?????? I have the unit and use both SIMS and no better one or the other..
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i love it, works like a charm for me, but you need to take others opinions like a grain of salt until you actually try the device yourself..
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mobilitytoday said:
Are you in the USA? If so how can it work like a charm with NO 3G or 850Mhz support? So if you are an AT&T NO EDGE?????? I have the unit and use both SIMS and no better one or the other..
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Did i say i was in the US? if you look up the right on my profile you will see a flag, if you put your mouse over it you will see what country im from.

The only thing I dont like is the ring volume which is quite soft...

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Did i say i was in the US? if you look up the right on my profile you will see a flag, if you put your mouse over it you will see what country im from.
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Walshy, are you using it on Next G? I've got one coming (I'm using VF 3G) - it was posted from Sydney Monday evidently....
Kevin

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Walshy, are you using it on Next G? I've got one coming (I'm using VF 3G) - it was posted from Sydney Monday evidently....
Kevin
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nah i bought a prepaid optus sim and testing it with that at the moment, $70 bucks gets you 300MB and some decent call time so thats cool with me, and whey optus roll out their 900Mhz 3G network it will work a treat...
this phone doesnt operate on NextG(850Mhz) it's 3G bands are 900/2100

telstra are a rip off. im on optus on a $70 prepaid turbocharge. gives u $650 worth of calls/txts/video calls and 300mb of data.
telstra soon enough will drop their prices when optus roll out their 900MHz HSPA network.

my advice: go for touch pro if kb and memory slot r important to u.

Hmm, just got mine and have that horrible sinking feeling that I've blown £400 on something that I'm not going to be very happy with.
First, it crashed when loading the customisations, so I hard reset and this time it went ok, but then another application (Touchflo) crashed soon afterwards. It's been ok since, but doesn't inspire confidence.
Second, Touchflo is quite laggy at times and also fiddly, these may be issues for me because I have big hands.
Third, the whole Touchflo thing seems a bit fiddly, I'm almost tempted to run with a standard HTC or Windows 6.1 homescreen to see if there's any improvement.
Fourth, the soft keyboard has keys that are very close together, even in portrait mode the keys are a bind to use.
Fifth, wifi not working very well with my router, keeps disconnecting, but my TyTn2, S730, S710, TyTn, E51 all work ok on it.
I've not had a chance yet to test battery, call quality etc.
Fingers crossed it's just a learning process and with time maybe the whole Touchflo thing will be refined a little more.
It certainly doesn't feel anything like as slick as my Ipod Touch for typing, browsing, music etc.
I have a bad feeling that I should have waited for the 3g iPhone.

walshieau said:
Did i say i was in the US? if you look up the right on my profile you will see a flag, if you put your mouse over it you will see what country im from.
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I know it's a bit off topic, but how do you get the flag and the mobile carrier's logo to display on your posts?

g00n3r said:
Hmm, just got mine and have that horrible sinking feeling that I've blown £400 on something that I'm not going to be very happy with.
First, it crashed when loading the customisations, so I hard reset and this time it went ok, but then another application (Touchflo) crashed soon afterwards. It's been ok since, but doesn't inspire confidence.
Second, Touchflo is quite laggy at times and also fiddly, these may be issues for me because I have big hands.
Third, the whole Touchflo thing seems a bit fiddly, I'm almost tempted to run with a standard HTC or Windows 6.1 homescreen to see if there's any improvement.
Fourth, the soft keyboard has keys that are very close together, even in portrait mode the keys are a bind to use.
Fifth, wifi not working very well with my router, keeps disconnecting, but my TyTn2, S730, S710, TyTn, E51 all work ok on it.
I've not had a chance yet to test battery, call quality etc.
Fingers crossed it's just a learning process and with time maybe the whole Touchflo thing will be refined a little more.
It certainly doesn't feel anything like as slick as my Ipod Touch for typing, browsing, music etc.
I have a bad feeling that I should have waited for the 3g iPhone.
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Hey, don't get too down so soon...have a look for the Diamond tweaks - they'll speed up your device (especially TouchFlo) like you won't believe!

That's the difference between the Touch Diamond and the iPhone. It's much easier to fix problems with the Touch Diamond through registry edits and third party software, than it is to fix problems with the iPhone...

Dark Fire said:
That's the difference between the Touch Diamond and the iPhone. It's much easier to fix problems with the Touch Diamond through registry edits and third party software, than it is to fix problems with the iPhone...
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too right you are.

Dark Fire said:
That's the difference between the Touch Diamond and the iPhone. It's much easier to fix problems with the Touch Diamond through registry edits and third party software, than it is to fix problems with the iPhone...
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Yeah, but why the heck do we have to!? Can't HTC build a quality device that just works out of the box?! Then leave it to us mostly to customize it and somehow improve its usability!? Man, everyday I read about newer and bigger bugs and flaws. May be most of them will be overcomed thanks to this comunity, but were is HTC with its support for its high-priced devices!?
I'm a tech geek alright, and I love having all the newest tech gadgets around. I've wanted to get a WM phone so many times throughout the last few years but they were always behind in lots of aspects compared to the Symbian ones. Then HTC released its TyTNII with its holy specs, great design and somewhat compact size. This was my phone! Yeah, right! Then I found out about this huge issue with the video performance and followed it for about three monts waiting for a solution either from HTC or XDA. And OK - HTC had some problems with Qualcomm support for its stolen from Broadcomm chipsets whatever. So they announced Touch Diamond with a new chipset and "3D GPU" which "processor enhances the user interface". And then again it needs tweaks to make it - not better, but just usable. Then all the other bugs and flaws users say about in this forum.
Well damn you HTC, I'm about to leave the idea of having WM phone again. And that from a fan of yours that followed you back from the era of Qtek devices.

timn2087 said:
I know it's a bit off topic, but how do you get the flag and the mobile carrier's logo to display on your posts?
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go to user CP

So wht is the verdict guys... is it worth buying it or wht i was planning on buying it but i heard a lot rumours tht is it really not worth it... cause the main problem is it is really slow!!!! even after applying the tweak to speed up the phone cause after tht it seems u'll need to soft reset a couple of time and even hard reset....
So the million dollar question is buy or not to buy???

walshieau said:
Did i say i was in the US? if you look up the right on my profile you will see a flag, if you put your mouse over it you will see what country im from.
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g day mate...hows it going down under!

demonizator said:
Yeah, but why the heck do we have to!? Can't HTC build a quality device that just works out of the box?! Then leave it to us mostly to customize it and somehow improve its usability!?
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Maybe a WM device just isn't for you. I wouldn't be happy if I wasn't constantly fiddling anyway, so it's better for me to get a device that needs improving than to get a device that works fine (because fiddling will break it).