Breaking news: HTC's WM6.1 Update is here (?), ROM analysis and video driver news. Read more...
http://www.htcclassaction.org/#update_20080521_1
SpeedyTuning said:
Breaking news: HTC's WM6.1 Update is here (?), ROM analysis and video driver news. Read more...
http://www.htcclassaction.org/#update_20080521_1
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Wasn't it concluded that the Dutch version (even though it improved the graphics benchmark) did not really improve the video play?
i dont understand everything, but i send news info, for users which doesnt look for HTCclassaction
I liked this part most of all.
Before we continue on that point, there's something else you should know. There is also a leaked Diamond ROM. We have pulled this ROM apart and guess what: it has graphics drivers! They follow the same structure as the KS20 drivers too, with the "ahi2dati" driver at the core of the hardware accelerated graphics, talking to the hardware. It seems to be a bit more compatible with the current Kaiser ROMs, but note we have not compared the internal calls (yet!) to the new leaked NLD and WWE ROMs. Also note that because of this construct, it does not seem to be possible do drop in the libgles_cm hardware 3D driver.
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hmm not so good
pretty misleading subject line then... maybe should have been something like "Drivers are here!! (On the Diamond)" or something like that, because the way its looking, we are still going to be without drivers from HTC...thanks alot.
Why create such a thread title if not only is it not true, but you have no idea on what you're talking about? Seriously, stop spreading stupid rumors and making stuff up
Well it does say that they think they have the leaked FIX (not driver) over at modaco.com..
I just don't think people realize that a driver and a fix are two different things. On the bright side, it does seem that the driver we do have might be upgraded to something a bit better. Maybe not 100% but still better then what we do have.
(and dont' way we don't have a driver at all, you do have video on your phone)
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pretty misleading subject line then... maybe should have been something like "Drivers are here!! (On the Diamond)" or something like that, because the way its looking, we are still going to be without drivers from HTC...thanks alot.
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Absolutely! I was so excited when I saw the subject line and so disappointed when I saw what it was talking about....sigh....
according to htc our hardware doesn't support graphic acceleration (don't know how much truth is there) so i don't even know if its worth following the driver update ...
thesire said:
according to htc our hardware doesn't support graphic acceleration (don't know how much truth is there) so i don't even know if its worth following the driver update ...
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No according to HTC we don't use the hardware.
The wording matters.
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No according to HTC we don't use the hardware.
The wording matters.
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thanks for the clarrification senior
Indeed the title of this topic is a bit misleading, BUT there is some good news at HTCClassAction:
If this is true, it would definitely open doors to bringing full hardware acceleration to the TyTN II, and possibly other MSM7x00 based devices. We have a TyTN II ROM that somehow touches the accelerated video hardware (NLD, probably WWE), we have fully accelerated drivers from HTC (Diamond), and we already have some prior experience due to the KS20 drivers. Throw them all together and it suddenly becomes a lot more likely the community will be able to bring full graphics drivers to the affected devices. Interesting times! Stay tuned, the effort has already begun!
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There is still hope!!
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Well it does say that they think they have the leaked FIX (not driver) over at modaco.com..
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modaco.com was also one of the early Kaiser reviewers who either deliberately or ignorantly didn't comment on the graphics problems in the first place. That site has zero credibility in my book.
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modaco.com was also one of the early Kaiser reviewers who either deliberately or ignorantly didn't comment on the graphics problems in the first place. That site has zero credibility in my book.
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I've had a stinking feeling that reviewers were reviewing preproduction devices that had drivers. That is what the Sedna review from the Spanish site Todo Smartphone.com leads me to believe anyway. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381254
Perhaps it's not their fault. I would like to see them always do ROM dumps and benchmarks.
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I've had a stinking feeling that reviewers were reviewing preproduction devices that had drivers. That is what the Sedna review from the Spanish site Todo Smartphone.com leads me to believe anyway. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381254
Perhaps it's not their fault. I would like to see them always do ROM dumps and benchmarks.
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Maybe, but the threat of being cut off from future preproduction review units could have something to do with the silence of some of the review sites.
Not to accuse anybody of anything in this case, but I worked in IT publishing for a long time and saw a lot of dirty tricks played by the tech companies.
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See http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.0
sounds coool, I wonder how they want to fix the misssing driver support...
If you read the explanation posted on that forum -
The issue was that they used something called QTV for overlay (undocumented qualcomm driver).
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I'm assuming "they" is HTC, which suggests that the driver support isn't missing, it's just not working very well, and Coreplayer have switched to something else.
G Reat News
That is very interesting also for all the future users of Polaris too!
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If you read the explanation posted on that forum -
I'm assuming "they" is HTC, which suggests that the driver support isn't missing, it's just not working very well, and Coreplayer have switched to something else.
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Yes, maybe they are NOT missing (as some people have said) and this is the first app that actually uses the correct calls.
Can we get rid of that sticky now??
how will i get the additional driver or update for my htc tytn II? when will this be available?
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how will i get the additional driver or update for my htc tytn II? when will this be available?
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There is no additional driver or update for the Tytn II, only a new version of Coreplayer which is compatible with the driver already in the Tytn II. This will be on sale in the new year.
Farsquidge said:
Can we get rid of that sticky now??
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This guy is the definition of annoying...
dsyro said:
This guy is the definition of annoying...
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Sorry, I did not say remove the thread, that would be wrong. I just asked if it could be made un-sticky!
Do you mean petition thread?
That petition is much more general. It touches problems with accelerated 3D graphics as well as video playback issues.
None of these are solved yet. I don't see any reason for un-sticky-ing that thread.
Bottom line: No, I don't think that petition will solve anything. But I still like people to know about Kaiser's problems.
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Do you mean petition thread?
That petition is much more general. It touches problems with accelerated 3D graphics as well as video playback issues.
None of these are solved yet. I don't see any reason for un-sticky-ing that thread.
Bottom line: No, I don't think that petition will solve anything. But I still like people to know about Kaiser's problems.
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Unlike others who, for reasons that escape us all, would rather hide them under the carpet
Ahhh... You people and your petitions.... very amusing.
Now come on, don't all jump on me now... It's cute that you have an interest and you feel that your 'doing something'
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Ahhh... You people and your petitions.... very amusing.
Now come on, don't all jump on me now... It's cute that you have an interest and you feel that your 'doing something'
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It would be a pity if the problem was solved and admins could put a block on certain people downloading from this site.....
Will this fix in any way help with the Camera/Video Camera jerky/blurry-video issue?
Either way it's nice to see some solutions are finally surfacing.
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See http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.0
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Really, you call this good news? This is horrible news. And it isn't even correct either.
They haven't solved anything, they're just used a propriety technology driver to do something that by all means SHOULD WORK with the already existing and used-in-every-normal-program DirectDraw and GDI.
This gives HTC even LESS incentive to fix our problems, since there is now (a particularly bad) workaround.
So now we have to use a custom player we have to pay for to do something our device should have done already out-of-the-box, and it still doesn't solve our GDI, DD, D3D or GLES issues.
You call this good news, I call this a farce.
(And actually, the correct GDI/DD should be able to decide when to actually use QTV and do this internally, just like the KS20 D3Dm driver uses GLES internally)
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Really, you call this good news? This is horrible news.
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It is very good news for anyone wanting to watch videos with CorePlayer. Noone else, I know. But, at least, video playback becomes much easier.
Chainfire said:
This gives HTC even LESS incentive to fix our problems
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Do you really think HTC would fix these issues? They haven't even fixed the two-year-old touchscreen CPU usage issue plaguing ALL 2.8" HTC phones... a major pain in the back with ALL these phones.
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It is very good news for anyone wanting to watch videos with CorePlayer. Noone else, I know. But, at least, video playback becomes much easier.
Do you really think HTC would fix these issues? They haven't even fixed the two-year-old touchscreen CPU usage issue plaguing ALL 2.8" HTC phones... a major pain in the back with ALL these phones.
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Which is why my next device will not be a HTC device. I am seriously thinking of switching to the new US nokia with the upgraded ram and cpu.
Bratag said:
Which is why my next device will not be a HTC device. I am seriously thinking of switching to the new US nokia with the upgraded ram and cpu.
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You mean the N95-3? That's a very nice model - highly recommended.
Farsquidge said:
Sorry, I did not say remove the thread, that would be wrong. I just asked if it could be made un-sticky!
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If any sticky gets removed it should be the "The thread to address ALL TILT-specific questions". What a mess that turned into. It is completely useless. In addition to the length and disjointed topics, many of the questions aren't even Tilt specific. The first several posts should be moved to the wiki, glean what you can from the rest and let that abomination fade into a long overdue digital oblivian! ...nuf said
Back on topic, I think this is good news but the petitioned issue still stands. Core Player will help for encoded video only, and has not yet been released. Until I see it, I am sceptical. Plus it requires an additional purchase for something that should be free. Still, being able to transcode my video library once and be able to play on multiple devices with respectible quality will make it well worth the price.
So I will probably wind up using it if/when it does come out and if it does indeed work, but I still think the petition thread serves a good purpose, if only to make potential purchasers aware of the situation, and also what to expect form HTC support (which is basiaclly nothing).
Guys and gals, do read my blog if you want to know the latest news from Barcelona - I've been posting a LOT of articles & shots on both Sony's XPERIA X1, Opera Mobile 9.5, the competition (Nokia, BB etc.), the latest e-paper readers, new stuff etc. I can't cross-post them in here or even follow the related thread because my connection is very-very restricted and expensive - sorry for you having to visit another webpage.
That is, don't forget to check out and regularly visit http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - even without my updating this thread. (Again, sorry, I can't cross-post my stuff and can't even regularly update my announcements.)
(I'll unstick this thread when MWC is over and, after having returned to home, I can resume my regular posting. That is, it's not a permanent "plug" of my blog )
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Guys and gals, do read my blog if you want to know the latest news from Barcelona - I've been posting a LOT of articles & shots on both Sony's XPERIA X1, Opera Mobile 9.5, the competition (Nokia, BB etc.), the latest e-paper readers, new stuff etc. I can't cross-post them in here or even follow the related thread because my connection is very-very restricted and expensive - sorry for you having to visit another webpage.
That is, don't forget to check out and regularly visit http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - even without my updating this thread. (Again, sorry, I can't cross-post my stuff and can't even regularly update my announcements.)
(I'll unstick this thread when MWC is over and, after having returned to home, I can resume my regular posting. That is, it's not a permanent "plug" of my blog )
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Thanks for the news, this is good stuff. I quite fancied the Sony err xperia 1 but then noticed in www.htc.com press release section (materials relating) mentions about them taking on the xperia. Could this mean hold backs on the possible identifying device..Who knows, but I still quite fancy it. And suppose if HTC do release the drivers at the end of March like metioned at www.htcclassaction.org then I would buy another HTC device although I would be more cautious and probably wait for a few people from here to get one first.
Thanks again for your blog!! Good reading..
Hope to hear from you again..
diigibio (diigimatrix)
good blog
but reading....it seems S E won't even say if the video driver is going to be fixed...that is just making htc look even worse if you ask me. I think they are making the phone right? Bad sign, they are dodging things, and the phone hasn't even been released.....
Why would SE make the same mistake as HTC?
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Why would SE make the same mistake as HTC?
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Cause SE does not produces the Hardware. The internal PCB and all on-board is HTC OEM or ODm production.
HTC "might" again provide a chipset build without driver support. That is why.
Advice: Avoid Xperia as long S E does not confirm FULL specs of the Qualcomm CPU being used.
Any notice of spb mobile shell?
cicciocant said:
Any notice of spb mobile shell?
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yup, posted some sentences on Monday on it. Will only later compare it to the alternatives.
diigibio said:
Thanks again for your blog!! Good reading..
Hope to hear from you again..
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Thanks; I've just posted a LOT of BT- and digital TV-related info:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2486&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
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Cause SE does not produces the Hardware. The internal PCB and all on-board is HTC OEM or ODm production.
HTC "might" again provide a chipset build without driver support. That is why.
Advice: Avoid Xperia as long S E does not confirm FULL specs of the Qualcomm CPU being used.
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While I can't discosure the name of the manufacturer (they have asked me not to do so after our discussion), there is a far-east ODM that is working on the 3D Qualcomm drivers for their own Qualcomm-based devices. They stated they'd be ready in 2-3 months. They stated while they indeed have to do some manual coding, Qualcomm does (already) support 3D in the hardware.
You all know what this means - yes, we will hopefully be able to rip all those drivers after the (pretty close) release of the devices.
That definitely looks like something to look forward to. Please keep us informed, if you can.
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That definitely looks like something to look forward to. Please keep us informed, if you can.
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Sure I will. Hope we can do some kind of a co-operation between the company in question and our Qualcomm coders / hackers with mutual benefits.
(I'm already discussing this stuff privately with other mods. Details aren't public as yet.)
Just posted a brand new link & some great pics of the XPERIA X1 to http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...y_ericsson_xperia_x1_new&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Thanks Werner,
However, I really dont like that Qualcomm ... I hope SE managed to put hardware graphics acceleration drivers ... otherwise ... toast.
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Just posted a brand new link & some great pics of the XPERIA X1 to http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...y_ericsson_xperia_x1_new&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
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gogol said:
Thanks Werner,
However, I really dont like that Qualcomm ... I hope SE managed to put hardware graphics acceleration drivers ... otherwise ... toast.
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The S-E rep I've in person talked to didn't want to comment on whether it will surely have 3D hardware acceleration or not - unlike what the flyier states (in there, they speak of 3D hardware acceleration).
However, a completely independent manufacturer is (also?) working on the drivers. I'll try to do some kind of a co-operation, if at all possible, between them and the XDA-Devs coders.
Yes, I read that as well (about independent manufacturer). I am really appreciate your effort.
After reading your latest blog entry regarding this Xperia and found about:
- It is still based on Qualcomm MSM7xxx
- It is still 128 MB RAM
- It is still 256 MB Flash
I am less excited ...
I meant compared to Kaiser, there are not much upgrade.
- More resolution (800x480), yes this nice, but 3"? Not really big boost compared to current QVGA. For sure, it will look nicer, but I would rather to have 640x480 ... and 3.5" screen!
- More CPU power, I think 400 vs 528 will not add a lot (remember, the RAM is still 128MB) ... 624 would be nice (and add more RAM )
- FM Radio? Hmm, I dont need this for sure ...
- Xperia Panel? Could be nice, but I will not upgrade just because of this
- Windows 6.1? Dutty has that already ...
The rest are the same (GPSOne, Camera, etc.).
Well, maybe it is just me, but I found Xperia X1 does not offer much upgrade to current Kaiser.
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The S-E rep I've in person talked to didn't want to comment on whether it will surely have 3D hardware acceleration or not - unlike what the flyier states (in there, they speak of 3D hardware acceleration).
However, a completely independent manufacturer is (also?) working on the drivers. I'll try to do some kind of a co-operation, if at all possible, between them and the XDA-Devs coders.
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hey Menneisyys, i think your magazine carefully forgot the bit about the drivers in their Tilt review
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/node/1302
No news on the Meizu M8 in Barcelona? Any idea if they still gonna show it on Cebit?
I would have more trust on that one as that "unknown" Xperia ODM manufacture would not be involved in the driver set-up
draxredd said:
hey Menneisyys, i think your magazine carefully forgot the bit about the drivers in their Tilt review
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/node/1302
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Yup, that's their old article. In the last one (I'm their tech editor), which will be published in the next issue, I've inserted two sentences mentioning the driver issue and pointing to this very forum. Hope it gets thru as it was 2 days before going to print that I've done this and the layout was already pretty much finalized.
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No news on the Meizu M8 in Barcelona?
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Haven't checked it myself as it's "just" a WinCE-based phone, not a WinMo one. Dunno if Engadget and the other sites covered it.
Albeit, I'm certainly interested in the S5L8900 chipset it has (the same as in the iPhone and is prolly much better than the old S3C244x in, say, the TyTN) (see http://www.gearlog.com/2007/07/iphone_processor_whats_with_th.php ). While I don't think it can beat the brand new S3C6400 / S3C6410, which will only be used later by devices from Samsung and E-ten (the latter was confirmed by a Samsung rep at MWC), it's certainly much better than the S3C244x and has, for example, 3D hardware acceleration support.
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The rest are the same (GPSOne, Camera, etc.).
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So the Xperia X1 will have stand-alone GPS and not just aGPS?
I just received a warranty replacement for my ATT Tilt (reception problem, it would drop signal and not pick it up again, not in a 3g area). I checked the device info to see if they had preloaded the updated rom--they did--and in the hardware section they listed the chip as a 7201, not a 7200 like my old one.
So, what is the difference between the 7200 and the 7201? I did a seach and couldn't really find anything.
Thanks.
o wow this may be very important actually.
have you noticed any graphical improvement?
mikeeey said:
o wow this may be very important actually.
have you noticed any graphical improvement?
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I must admit, sheepishly, that I haven't done anything with it yet. I don't have time to string out the restore process, and I don't want to just restore from a backup, so I'm collecting all the cabs I need, at the moment. I should have it up completely tomorrow night.
Is there any file or anything I should be looking for?
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I must admit, sheepishly, that I haven't done anything with it yet. I don't have time to string out the restore process, and I don't want to just restore from a backup, so I'm collecting all the cabs I need, at the moment. I should have it up completely tomorrow night.
Is there any file or anything I should be looking for?
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OK,
I ran VSBenchmark--sound off--and got the following:
graphics: 1254
Others: 2178
JPEG: 2612
games: 1540
Sound: 0592
final score: 1635
so according to this, it's not any faster.
ugh..who knows.. maybe its nothing lol.
but i thought i remember hearing that the P6500 had this chip or something?
I just got my tilt last week and it also has the 7201 not any faster than other tilts though
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o wow this may be very important actually.
have you noticed any graphical improvement?
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For some reason this reply really makes me laugh inside. What your seeing is (my guess) the oem chip number finally being shown. This is the chip with the video gpu turned off. Why does everyone think it's going to be something better?
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This is the chip with the video gpu turned off.
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/cry... Seriously, I've given up hoping for awesome video performance from my Tilt. I'm running Dutty's latest release and it is plenty fast enough for me. I barely use my phone for talking, let alone video playback. We'll just have to wait for the Xperia to come out.
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For some reason this reply really makes me laugh inside. What your seeing is (my guess) the oem chip number finally being shown. This is the chip with the video gpu turned off. Why does everyone think it's going to be something better?
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I was afraid of that. So, same chip, but new number to reflect what we <i>really</i> have.
In my not so humble opinion, I would say that maybe Qualcomm caught enough heat from people like us that they started requiring new phone to go out with the 7201 name instead of the 7200. Now they will have something to fall back on. Also the way that HTC has worded some of their replies to us just gives me the impression that this chip has been modded for them. Which is normal.
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For some reason this reply really makes me laugh inside. What your seeing is (my guess) the oem chip number finally being shown. This is the chip with the video gpu turned off. Why does everyone think it's going to be something better?
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hey i was thinking that too, either improvement, or a big nail thru the processor disabling any possible drivers.
QUALCOMM(R) 7201 vs 7200 chip
I just got my new Tilt from at&t today for a warranty swap. I checked it out hoping there would be a new ROM release on it. There wasn't. I checked the Device Info and to my surprise it was a different chip. Normally it's the 7200. This one has the 7201. I am wondering if this is common where some Kaisers come with the 7201 or if it's a new release. I searched Google and was unable to find any info. Here are some pictures.
I'm unsure that it's anything but I have noticed that my new tilt runs much faster and smoother. There could be a few different reasons but my old one never seemed to run this fast.
I am using the at&t wm6.1 test rom on both.
Here is mine. Thats odd. I haven't seen that. Maybe someone can clarify.
P1Tater said:
Here is mine. Thats odd. I haven't seen that. Maybe someone can clarify.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385347
Multiple people saying it. Someone else said it's an OEM spin w/ the graphics disabled...
hmm my tytnII is 7200 as well...maybe tilts have 7201?
my tilt is 7200
I just got my warranty replacement today and it too has the 7201 chip. I couldn't find this thread so I started my own.
Mine seems faster and smoother. Significantly. It's possible it's because of something I did to my old Tilt but I really don't think I did anything but it's possible. I'm benchmarking in coreplayer and I'll try spb benchmark, but it's not likely i'll find anything.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2121403#post2121403
When I say significantly, I don't mean like it has the drivers. It just feels much faster.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385347
Multiple people saying it. Someone else said it's an OEM spin w/ the graphics disabled...
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My bad. I didnt realize that was what that thread was about. I haven't even looked in it until you linked it. My apologies.
My coreplayer test were inconclusive. My new tilt came out ahead but by very little after a few runs. Every time it was more but not by much.
Is anybody working at 3d driver from kaiser?
i currently have a LOT of my more techy geek friends looking at the kaiser to see what they can do, but they have had the phone for a month and have history of writing drivers and right now they don't look promising. maybe others with more software/drivers programming background are working at it but i wouldn't expect anything anytime soon. the phone has been out for a year and no one anywhere has written drivers for it
In htc daimond rom are 3d drivers?
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Is anybody working at 3d driver from kaiser?
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What about them??? We sure as hell aint gettin them
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What about them??? We sure as hell aint gettin them
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not sure what your talking about.. they work great!
d112 said:
Is anybody working at 3d driver from kaiser?
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What application are you running or needing to run on a kaiser requires 3D graphics???
I don't think WoW is getting a PPC port any time soon.
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not sure what your talking about.. they work great!
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Obviously so, the newer 6.1 roms (most of them) have improved video.
shogunmark said:
not sure what your talking about.. they work great!
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lmao ... hahaha ..
3d drivers .. yeah they are stunt racing right now. I'll let them know you want them as soon as they come home. Just to let you know: they are expensive so be prepared to pay the price they demand.
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Obviously so, the newer 6.1 roms (most of them) have improved video.
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hahahaha ... please stop my stomach is hurting 'cuz of laughter ... lol
Whats The Problem??
Had to add my P.O.V
My Kaiser does exactly what I want it to do now it is upgraded. (Thanks L26 vers 5)
As far as drivers for 3d go, tom tom works perfectly fine, videos play top notch, worms world party is faultless, quake plays nice enough. Who needs anything more?
The Kaiser is a fantastic little device when you consider what it does for the money. A short while ago I was getting fed up with video playback and the odd internet problem when scrolling. But as far as I am concerned, my little baby is wonderful and out performs any of the previous devices I have owned since the newer rom updates for 6.1 have become the norm and have been tweaked by the generosity of all those who stand infront of a hot over (EVEN when on vacation.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396882
Nicholas
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while it may seem a little funny... ever wonder why the gxmark on cooked roms when from the 500-700's to 1500+???
im not saying its the complete solution.. but its a [email protected] good start...
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while it may seem a little funny... ever wonder why the gxmark on cooked roms when from the 500-700's to 1500+???
im not saying its the complete solution.. but its a [email protected] good start...
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as good as it is its still not the same as having fully functioning drivers
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while it may seem a little funny... ever wonder why the gxmark on cooked roms when from the 500-700's to 1500+???
im not saying its the complete solution.. but its a [email protected] good start...
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i think i need to clairfy myself:
mark i thought u were being sarcastic when you wrote that you were running the drivers so i took it as a joke and cracked up if you were, however, serious than my apologize didn't mean to blow off what you were saying as a joke.
Hope this clears up the air. i have gxmark on leos rom that i am running right now and it is definitley an improvement in the rom, however i don't think its the full drivers that we all had our hopes for
hi
I'm very surprised because tuxhero said yesterday that the blackstone has compass harware:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4304713&postcount=833
bad link... you cant link it with dots: )
Not sure but some sources say that we have it.
daguerrotipo said:
hi
I'm very surprised because tuxhero said yesterday that the blackstone has compass harware:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...&postcount=833
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Your link does not work
Fallen Spartan said:
Your link does not work
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4304713&postcount=833
tuxhero said:
Not sure but some sources say that we have it.
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"1. Today i came to know that our Blackstone has Compass Hardware too and we have code for it too."
Seems to me that you were sure?
Moony1987 said:
"1. Today i came to know that our Blackstone has Compass Hardware too and we have code for it too."
Seems to me that you were sure?
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Ya but not tested it to be so sure
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Ya but not tested it to be so sure
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Ahh righto
I think we do have.
Thats the shame 'bout HTC (besides da poor quality of hard- and software): they setup ONE hardware and make 5 PDAs with slighty changed details. they were never interested in making good hardware.. everytime they took something away the previous model had... now, they do have android and are able to clone nearly the same device just with another OS.
in commercial aspects, this makes sense.... but as consumer I can only think of it as a pain in the neck. my old universal has a high res display, a 3,5mm audioconnector, a well made keyboard and a fast cpu... years ago... a shame it is the size of a brick .
If someone would mad it possible to use the Compass HW with WinMo i would gladly set a bounty of 50$.
Goal would be a little App to proof that it ist working plus the sourcecode for other Devs.
Does anyone join in?
its probably another 'tv out' scenario...
basically the chipset has the tech but other required hardware / software is not present hence the features can never be used.
why on earth HTC cripple devices like this is boggling.....if the HD had been released with TV-out (which the qualcomm chipset supports) & a hw compass (to be confimed) it would have levelled the competition.....
i am sure their marketing strategy has good reasons for not doing...but as said earlier from the consumers point of view its a pain in the butt...especially considering some of us are locked in 24 month contracts.!! so wont be purchasing other handsets even if we wanted too.
lets hope some clever devs find a way to unlock these features!! (if possible)
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its probably another 'tv out' scenario...
basically the chipset has the tech but other required hardware / software is not present hence the features can never be used.
why on earth HTC cripple devices like this is boggling.....if the HD had been released with TV-out (which the qualcomm chipset supports) & a hw compass (to be confimed) it would have levelled the competition.....
i am sure their marketing strategy has good reasons for not doing...but as said earlier from the consumers point of view its a pain in the butt...especially considering some of us are locked in 24 month contracts.!! so wont be purchasing other handsets even if we wanted too.
lets hope some clever devs find a way to unlock these features!! (if possible)
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I disagree your argumentation:
Developers here wrote drivers to implement TMC and RDS into the features of the Blackstone. HTC hasn´t done it yet.
HTC seems to leave possible feature unused. Maybe to save time for their developers.
The old topic of a missing video driver is another example for that.
Draque:the_Plaque said:
If someone would mad it possible to use the Compass HW with WinMo i would gladly set a bounty of 50$.
Goal would be a little App to proof that it ist working plus the sourcecode for other Devs.
Does anyone join in?
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50$ from me for unlocking the feature + another 100$ if anyone makes it work with Google Maps + another 100$ if someone makes an augmented reality app like Wikitude (Android).
Only if it's done before the release of the HTC Leo
It's a AK8976A chip
well i would chip in $50 as well .. if it worked !!
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It's a AK8976A chip
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is the same that dream phone?
Byes
haha, did anyone think that they mite have released the phone in haste, or maybe they did it on purpose to allow the release of the HD pro to include such features, along with a 128GB internal memory (i wish).
ghosty_uk said:
haha, did anyone think that they mite have released the phone in haste, or maybe they did it on purpose to allow the release of the HD pro to include such features, along with a 128GB internal memory (i wish).
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Sometimes happen... It's true that more with anothers brands (apple), I can remember Ipod touch, iphone, wifi in the macs....
may be this time no but is possible.
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I've read the same thread from Tuxhero and I have to see it before I believe it. The only thing we've got is a blanket statement that he has read it somewhere. Someone else created slight confusion on this site before with similar statements.
Not saying that he's lying (in fact, I hope he's right), a source would help. Until then, I'm not getting my hopes up.
Im guessin they didnt include alot of features cause when the phone was released whoever ws going to buy it would buy it anyway, and when competitors (Iphone3gs) release phones with features like the compass thing etc , htc can easily release newer phones with the same features ... sort of like having it ready on earlier models so when they need to release it they can quickly!
My guess