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Hi, I'm pleased to say that setting up my TyTN II to sync via Bluetooth with my laptop running Vista's Windows Mobile Device Centre was a doddle. None of the nonsense I had before on WM5 and my Wizard.
However, it appears Bluetooth sync needs to be invoked manually each time from the TyTN. This makes this lovely feature next to useless.
With Nokia PC Sync for example, Bluetooth sync to a Nokia phone can happen whenever the phone comes back into range, or every 15 minutes if you so choose.
So, is there any way to specify this with Windows?
I don't think so at the moment. It's a problem within the Microsoft WM OS.
I too used to love my old Nokia 9100's capability to do this but with having so many connection variants on this unit (GPRS, WiFi and BT) Microsoft have probably opted for a safe solution.
At least with manual select, you wont have it running down your battery with lots of data traffic while its in your pocket/purse at home/work without you knowing!
Maybe we could pass this on to the Kaiser Tweak guys to see if it could be made selectable?
Worth a try!
Sure, can you do it?
Will have a go but my 'Street cred' is a little low here at the moment....
I hope one of the other patient dev guys may look at this and take it up???
your not alone
Check out these other threads. All describe different problems people are having (including mine - not being able to automatically re-pair with my car kit).
All seem to stem from the auto re-pair problem.
If a developer could help, that would be great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349841
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349050
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=350046
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346970
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337575
No-one seems to have come to our aid with a new BT stack.
Reminds me very much of the early days of the hermes ... remember these days http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285419
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Many thanks.. I've looked at those and they are mostly concerned with BT connection to audio devices.. What we are looking for is an automatic polling of your device by Activesync over BT as PCsync used to do for the Nokia. The connection has to be initiated by the SW for it to work. Cheers anyway!
Sure, they are mainly about audio, however (at least in my case) the audio is perfect when its paired.
My main concern is exactly the auto polling. I can pair my device the first time to the car kit, but every time i get back into the car I have delete the pairing and pair it manually again. This is not how bluetooth should work.
I think this is very similar to the problem the author of this thread describes.
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Sure, they are mainly about audio, however (at least in my case) the audio is perfect when its paired.
My main concern is exactly the auto polling. I can pair my device the first time to the car kit, but every time i get back into the car I have delete the pairing and pair it manually again. This is not how bluetooth should work.
I think this is very similar to the problem the author of this thread describes.
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Yep, my BT audio is good and you never know, if we start looking at auto-polling of data/stereo devices we may cure a lot of problems on here..
Thing is we may have to go around the Activesync overide (which is the slowest block on this setup!) and use a priority connect to BT similar to WM5torage on usb!
What ya think XDA???
Yeah its one of the few things I miss about my Nokia 7710 was that i walked into my house and it would sync with my computer automatically. sigh
Its definately a WM/Activesync 'Non-feature' as when you first pair your device to an Activesync capable BT PC or laptop you get a pop-up message on the WM device reminding you to disconnect your BT Activesync link to avoid draining your battery!
Hi all,
I've just bought my first HTC unit ever (Kaiser), which is also my first Windows Mobile Phone (I used PocketPCs since 2001 but with no integrated phone so far), and it seems to have a lot of issues in the areas of "regular phone" functionality.
However, the one that is really freaking me out so far is the whole "Bluetooth audio" area. I'm just wondering whether I would ever be able to get what I want or am I asking too much.
I have 3 Bluetooth audio devices, all of them are dual Headset/Headphone ones: in-car fixed Motorola T605, Jabra BT8010 and Plantronics 590. Now, naturally, I want to use the T605 in the car, Jabra for phone calls only throughout the day and for music occasionally, and Plantronics when I'm in the gym, for both music and occasional incoming phone calls.
I had all this working flawlessly with my SonyEricsson K800i phone: each device connected to the phone automatically when powered up and automatically took over both Headset and Headphone functions. The only minor problem was reconnecting Jabra when stepping out of the car, which required only a short tap on the button.
Now, with Kaiser, things are much more complicated. When a device (any of them) is connected to the phone, both as Headset and Headphones, it works mostly OK, although sometimes there is a problem of sound not coming through the device when an incoming call was answered while playing music. The music is suspended OK, but the sound comes from the phone speaker instead of the respective Bluetooth device. This happens from time to time, not always.
But the biggest problem is the initial connection of a device after another one has already been connected. When I enter my car and fire up the engine, I want the T605 to automatically connect to the phone even if Jabra has already been connected. This I was unable to achieve. Instead, I have to manually disconnect Jabra (by powering it off or temporarily powering off Bluetooth on the phone) and then manually connect the phone with the T605, for both Headset and Wireless Music (two actions required!). Now, for me, this is unacceptable.
Moreover, when I arrive to a destination and want to step out of the car, I have to manually reconnect my Jabra to the Kaiser, again, through the phone’s Bluetooth settings as described above. A short tap on Jabra’s button no longer works for this purpose, in opposite to SE K800i.
Making the long story short, this is completely unacceptable behavior for me, and I haven’t found so far a way to make it the way I need it.
Any advices?
mpogr said:
Hi all,
I've just bought my first HTC unit ever (Kaiser), which is also my first Windows Mobile Phone (I used PocketPCs since 2001 but with no integrated phone so far), and it seems to have a lot of issues in the areas of "regular phone" functionality.
However, the one that is really freaking me out so far is the whole "Bluetooth audio" area. I'm just wondering whether I would ever be able to get what I want or am I asking too much.
I have 3 Bluetooth audio devices, all of them are dual Headset/Headphone ones: in-car fixed Motorola T605, Jabra BT8010 and Plantronics 590. Now, naturally, I want to use the T605 in the car, Jabra for phone calls only throughout the day and for music occasionally, and Plantronics when I'm in the gym, for both music and occasional incoming phone calls.
I had all this working flawlessly with my SonyEricsson K800i phone: each device connected to the phone automatically when powered up and automatically took over both Headset and Headphone functions. The only minor problem was reconnecting Jabra when stepping out of the car, which required only a short tap on the button.
Now, with Kaiser, things are much more complicated. When a device (any of them) is connected to the phone, both as Headset and Headphones, it works mostly OK, although sometimes there is a problem of sound not coming through the device when an incoming call was answered while playing music. The music is suspended OK, but the sound comes from the phone speaker instead of the respective Bluetooth device. This happens from time to time, not always.
But the biggest problem is the initial connection of a device after another one has already been connected. When I enter my car and fire up the engine, I want the T605 to automatically connect to the phone even if Jabra has already been connected. This I was unable to achieve. Instead, I have to manually disconnect Jabra (by powering it off or temporarily powering off Bluetooth on the phone) and then manually connect the phone with the T605, for both Headset and Wireless Music (two actions required!). Now, for me, this is unacceptable.
Moreover, when I arrive to a destination and want to step out of the car, I have to manually reconnect my Jabra to the Kaiser, again, through the phone’s Bluetooth settings as described above. A short tap on Jabra’s button no longer works for this purpose, in opposite to SE K800i.
Making the long story short, this is completely unacceptable behavior for me, and I haven’t found so far a way to make it the way I need it.
Any advices?
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Have you tried the Bluetooth fix on HTC's website?
Asking is easy, searching is hard work for some people it seems. No offence..
I'm using Schap's ROM which is supposed to have this fix built-in.
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I'm using Schap's ROM which is supposed to have this fix built-in.
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Ahh. didn't see that in your first post..
I think you are suffering the same prob as many. Every time a BT device comes out, it never seems to work with what we had before. BT protocols are NOT fixed (The IEEE STILL have not fully implemented a specific proto!), they change faster than we change our devices.
As I said before (without meaning any offence) search the whole forum, many threads have been out on this subject and some advice/fixes or equipment references are out there.
Well, I did search these forums and haven't seen someone referring to the same kind of problems I'm having.
Now, regarding your comment about variety of BT devices... I don't buy that. My SE K800i is 1 year old and works perfectly with this combination of devices.
I have pretty extensive experience with Broadcom/Widcomm BT stack on PC and older models of PocketPC (the one I have is IPAQ 5555) and I suspect these foes are direct derivatives from the fact Kaiser uses MS BT stack, which is much inferior. However, it seems nobody was able to make Broadcom/Widcomm stack work on Kaiser so far...
mpogr said:
Well, I did search these forums and haven't seen someone referring to the same kind of problems I'm having.
Now, regarding your comment about variety of BT devices... I don't buy that. My SE K800i is 1 year old and works perfectly with this combination of devices.
I have pretty extensive experience with Broadcom/Widcomm BT stack on PC and older models of PocketPC (the one I have is IPAQ 5555) and I suspect these foes are direct derivatives from the fact Kaiser uses MS BT stack, which is much inferior. However, it seems nobody was able to make Broadcom/Widcomm stack work on Kaiser so far...
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OK, I'm sorry if you don't. I only tried to help. Seem's you've asked a question and have already formed an opinion to it!!!
I have personal experience of Sony's proprietory connection limitations.
My BT works fine on all my devices....will leave you to others.
Looks like I found a partial solution which makes my life almost perfect...
It seems the real problem is taking over Kaiser from a previously connected device. So, if I switch my Jabra off several seconds before I fire up my car's engine, my T605 is able to connect to it. Same goes the other way around, I can turn off the car engine and then fire up the Jabra several seconds later. In this case all is good.
Looks like the MS BT stack is still ill-implemented though, as, for example, when in active Wireless Music BT connection, the device is unable to discover any other Bluetooth devices or to connect to other device's BT serial interface, which makes using external GPS devices difficult.
This could be a problem for me since my car (Citroen C5) has special anti-radiation coating on its windshield which quite effectively screens the satellite signals. Therefore I came up with a solution of having a BT GPS device permanently located in the car (actually, in the driver's seat back pocket) hardwired to the mains as well as to an external GPS antenna. This setup is effectively beating both reception and start-up time problems.
With Kaiser’s limitation on simultaneous BT connections I’m unable to use this setup anymore. Yes, I could bypass using an additional GPS device by connecting the external antenna to Kaiser’s internal GPS, but this looks like a cumbersome solution as I couldn’t find a Kaiser-compatible mounting with a socket for hardwiring an external GPS antenna.
Luckily for me, I still have my old IPAQ loaded with GPS software which I prefer to use for navigation anyway thanks to its significantly bigger screen
mpogr said:
Looks like I found a partial solution which makes my life almost perfect...
It seems the real problem is taking over Kaiser from a previously connected device. So, if I switch my Jabra off several seconds before I fire up my car's engine, my T605 is able to connect to it. Same goes the other way around, I can turn off the car engine and then fire up the Jabra several seconds later. In this case all is good.
Looks like the MS BT stack is still ill-implemented though, as, for example, when in active Wireless Music BT connection, the device is unable to discover any other Bluetooth devices or to connect to other device's BT serial interface, which makes using external GPS devices difficult.
This could be a problem for me since my car (Citroen C5) has special anti-radiation coating on its windshield which quite effectively screens the satellite signals. Therefore I came up with a solution of having a BT GPS device permanently located in the car (actually, in the driver's seat back pocket) hardwired to the mains as well as to an external GPS antenna. This setup is effectively beating both reception and start-up time problems.
With Kaiser’s limitation on simultaneous BT connections I’m unable to use this setup anymore. Yes, I could bypass using an additional GPS device by connecting the external antenna to Kaiser’s internal GPS, but this looks like a cumbersome solution as I couldn’t find a Kaiser-compatible mounting with a socket for hardwiring an external GPS antenna.
Luckily for me, I still have my old IPAQ loaded with GPS software which I prefer to use for navigation anyway thanks to its significantly bigger screen
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Glad to here you have a resolution (albeit a partial one).
Just one thing, why would you want to connect to an external BT GPS at the same time as your car kit? Can't you get a good enough signal on the internal GPS or is there another reason?
Farsquidge said:
...Can't you get a good enough signal on the internal GPS...?
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Yes, that's what I wrote in my post above. This antiradiation coating is a real satellite signal killer...
But, IMO, Kaiser's screen is too small for in-car navigation anyway, so having a dedicated unit is always a plus
mpogr said:
Yes, that's what I wrote in my post above. This antiradiation coating is a real satellite signal killer...
But, IMO, Kaiser's screen is too small for in-car navigation anyway, so having a dedicated unit is always a plus
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Sorry, blind AND stupid!
Yes I agree the screen is too small for general use. I have a dedicated GPS in the car and only use the TyTnII as a temporary routefinder whenever needed.
I found a problem with my kaiser phone last night. The problem is that if I listening to music with my bluetooth headset I am not able to connect to my WiFi at the same time. This problem is specific to A2DP because my headset can be connected to my phone and I can not browse the web with WiFi. Has anyone seen this problem before? Has there ever been a resolution for it?
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I found a problem with my kaiser phone last night. The problem is that if I listening to music with my bluetooth headset I am not able to connect to my WiFi at the same time. This problem is specific to A2DP because my headset can be connected to my phone and I can not browse the web with WiFi. Has anyone seen this problem before? Has there ever been a resolution for it?
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I've seen this too -- when using A2DP, the WiFi connection goes down & won't re-establish itself until I turn off A2DP. I haven't found a resolution yet -- not that I'm looking for one as I almost never use A2DP, and when I do, I'm in the car, where WiFi isn't too useful.
See my post here which may be a related problem. I assume you have the same new HTC ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396409
I have a similar issue. If I am streaming music, from my HP media server, over wifi and using my Plantronics 590A bluetooh headphones, after each song I am asked to log back onto the network and as each song comes to an end my device starts to search for a network connection. I don't have this issue when I use wired headphones. Clearly there is an issue when both bluetooth and wifi are used at the same time. I don't know if it's hardware or software but I'm not happy about it.
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HTC TyTN II (Kaiser/P4550)
Rom ver: 1.82.707.0 WWE
Rom date: 11/03/07
Radio ver: 1.27.15.32
WM 6 Professional
CE OS 5.2.1620 (18125.0.4.2)
It's normal. Without going too technical, WiFi and Bluetooth operate on the same frequencies. They will live together if they're not using too much bandwidth, but if the usage is heavy there will be problems.
A BT stereo headset represents a lot of data to send and thus bandwidth usage, which means the BT will use the spectrum heavily, stepping over the Wifi. Due to the many packet losses the Wifi connection cuts.
Other way around, if Wifi is under heavy load, Bluetooth might drop.
Nothing we can do, that's what happens when you pack 2 radios operating in the same frequency band so close to each other, or even maybe sharing the same antenna which might be the case in today's phones.
It is absolutely NOT normal. The reason I know this is that VoIP over WiFi has been running almost perfectly on my TyTN II for a year, until I installed the latest ROM by HTC which broke it.
I used to get no crackle on Bluetooth calls with WiFi turned on. Now I do.
I used to get great quality VoIP. Now it is beyond unusable.
Simply, their new ROM broke it. BT and WiFi used to live in harmony, until their buggy ROM came out the other day. I think there are many users who know this, and who expect a hotfix soon.
You're talking about calls, I assume using the BT headset profile, while the other people in the thread are using A2DP wireless stereo. They're very different in terms of bandwidth.
On mine the headset with WiFi is also fine, but not A2DP. You're apparently not having the same issue than what is mentione in this thread. Yours might be due to the ROM, but the A2DP thing is more likely to be related to what I explained. I could myself experience it with several ROMS (all WM6, never tried a 6.1).
kilrah said:
It's normal. Without going too technical, WiFi and Bluetooth operate on the same frequencies. They will live together if they're not using too much bandwidth, but if the usage is heavy there will be problems.
A BT stereo headset represents a lot of data to send and thus bandwidth usage, which means the BT will use the spectrum heavily, stepping over the Wifi. Due to the many packet losses the Wifi connection cuts.
Other way around, if Wifi is under heavy load, Bluetooth might drop.
Nothing we can do, that's what happens when you pack 2 radios operating in the same frequency band so close to each other, or even maybe sharing the same antenna which might be the case in today's phones.
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My old TyTn II worked fine with BT and WiFi on at same time - never a problem. I always had WiFi on at home for emails etc... and always have my BT headset (Plantronics 8XX mono) working as I hate holding phone to my ear and get a lot of calls.
I recently bought another TyTn II and then unlocked it using advice form this forum (many thanks to all BTW!) and installed latest HTC rom and WM6.1 etc... Now I love many aspect of the new ROM but I can't use BT and WiFi at same time.
So from my experience it MUST be the new HTC ROM software issue.
Okay, chalk me up as another victim of this Wireless + A2DP = Crap Reception. I've tried three other Radios and the effect is the same.
I was using a rom I got in about April, and I could stream music from the internet over wireless listening to it on my Pantronics 590A's over bluetooth no issues (other than battery lol). Now with a rom I got this month, I can listen to music over bluetooth no problem, surf using wireless no issue but as soon as you mix them both it's all bad. Also, I need to re-pair my headphones whenever I want A2DP, where previously I could just turn on the headphones and have them connect. Also, no headset icon in the taskbar.
It's not a CPU issue as there's no excess usage when you both have them enabled. Personally I'm going to point the finger at the bluetooth stack here.
As far as I remembered when I first purchased the ATT Tilt with my Plantronic Voyager 855 I WAS able to stream via Wifi (Winamp Remote) and use my bluetooth without a problem. It's when I started to put cooked roms in the Tilt that it stopped working correctly...
Besides, I use a Macbook Pro via Wifi only and I listen to my Itune via my Plantronic Voyager 855 everyday. If it's true about WiFi overloading Bluetooth on the frequency. Why does it work fine on the MBP?
And Finally.... to make my point...
I also have an AT&T Fuze. Works fine there. Matter affact. I'm currently connected via bluetooth to my Fuze with my Voyager 855... turned off 3G/HSPDA on the Fuze. WiFi on the Fuze using Winamp Remote to connect to my PC streaming from there. Explain that....
Has anyone fixed this problem?
I'm experiencing the same problem on my kaiser aka xda stellar. When Wifi is turned on bluetooth A2DP stereo connection is dropped.
I have a 2007 non I drive 3 series. Bluetooth connection worked great until I moved to windows mobile 6.1. now i can not get the phone to stay connected. I have the standard ATT rom, and have tried using Kaiser tweak as well, to no avail. Anyone else having the same issue? Any ideas?
Worked for me with no problems (although the sound quality was poor).
I've now got a 3-series with iDrive and it similarly syncs easily, and the sound quality seems improved.
I do have a question though - I have installed BT Audio to attempt to play music via the car speakers, but I cannot find any option within the Car stereo options to accept input via Bluetooth (other than for phone calls). So I'm back to using a wire...
Any ideas?
Cheers,
BMW and bluetooth
there is no way to play music through the bluetooth portion of the system. Gotta use that wire!
2005 BMW X5 and Bluetooth WM6.1
My AT&T Tilt bluetooth worked great with WM6, but the standard AT&T ROM upgrade to 6.1 causes the phone to continuously reset as soon as it syncs with the car. I suspect it's being caused by loading the phone book; loading phonebook briefly flashes on the dash display before the phone resets.
Has anyone else investigated this problem - I've read a number of similar problem posts on various forums (AT&T, HTC) but no solutions.
How do I turn off the phone book sync feature in the registry? I couldn't find a profile specific to that?
For some reason when my phone connects to a headset that supports both audio and phone the audio will not auto connect. I have to open the bluetooth options and hold down on the device i want to connect to then check the audio box.
sounds similar to the problem I'm having... I connect my phone via bluetooth to my car (Ford Sync) and I need to turn bluetooth off then on at least once (if not twice) for the car to recognize the phone.
I am getting so fustrated with this phone... Its been replaced twice (like replacing hardware is going to fix a software bug).
i really want to stay with an Android phone... maybe the Samsung Moment? it appears as if 2.x is now available (unofficially?) since Samsung released the Kernel source like they were supposed to.
TL
It worked before fresh 1.1 so maybe it was just a change in something.
I'm using the stock software and I have the problem so it is not freshrom
man we need an update HTC!!!!!!!
q1 almost over so we're that much closer to getting our official 2.1 update.
I've also got a bluetooth problem - would really appreciate any help you can offer.
I have a Tomtom and headphoned in my Bike Crash Helmet. I want to connect so I can hear music and phone calls through the phone in my helmet and also hear the TomTom.
The Tomtom connects to the Helmet, the phone connects to the Tomtom and I can get calls through the speakers via the Tomtom but music won't play (apart from an annoying second or two after dropping a call).
If I can get the phone to advertise headset features I could connect the Tomtom to the phone and the phone to the speakers (think that would work), otherwise I believe the Tomtom is not advertising media audio, only phone audio and don't expect I can change that.
Any thoughts...?
PS - Have tried the market headset app - unfortunately it doesn't fix the problem...
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sounds similar to the problem I'm having... I connect my phone via bluetooth to my car (Ford Sync) and I need to turn bluetooth off then on at least once (if not twice) for the car to recognize the phone.
I am getting so fustrated with this phone... Its been replaced twice (like replacing hardware is going to fix a software bug).
i really want to stay with an Android phone... maybe the Samsung Moment? it appears as if 2.x is now available (unofficially?) since Samsung released the Kernel source like they were supposed to.
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well now the source for the CDMA hero is out so shouldnt be long till a lot of the little bugs arre resolved.