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Hi guys,
I own a HTC Kaiser at the moment and I'm pretty pleased with the phone (although it lacks D2D/DD drivers. Mine is doing what I want), but I'm able to exchange my Kaiser with a Diamond.
I don't use the HW Keyboard often, so my question is : is it worth upgrading to the Diamond ?
How is the battery-life compaired to the Kaiser ?
Any known problems with the Diamond at the moment ?
I used a Tytn before and didn´t regret a minute buying the diamond. Offcourse the battery is weaker, but as long as you use it on a normal basis the battery will last one day. The only situation at wich the battery really sucks is if you want to use GPS without car charger, which the battery only can handle for 2h max. But there are so many things that I love at the Diamond ie. VGA Display, Size, way more available RAM, Touchflow3D...
speedme said:
Hi guys,
I own a HTC Kaiser at the moment and I'm pretty pleased with the phone (although it lacks D2D/DD drivers. Mine is doing what I want), but I'm able to exchange my Kaiser with a Diamond.
I don't use the HW Keyboard often, so my question is : is it worth upgrading to the Diamond ?
How is the battery-life compaired to the Kaiser ?
Any known problems with the Diamond at the moment ?
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I bought the Diamond out of curiosity owning a Tytn I an II.
With a good ROM, the Tytn II is still more responsive - quicker than the Diamond (mainly to a buggy 3Dflow as identified by other sites)
Battery life? pfff awaiting an extended pack.
Let me put it this way:
if you are looking for a nice piece of hardware and want to get it running fluidly, buy a Dimaond but be aware it still should be cut and polished a lot.
That is why HTC is having a ROM release each day now
Known issues: Memory leak in all releases. Cooked or Stock
What a great example of the media's double standards. They give the Diamond 2/6 stars and heavily criticize the battery life for not lasting through heavy use over a weekend. Their review of the iPhone 3G, a 5/6 star device, mentions that you'll need to charge the device every other day even with moderate use. So why is one product slammed and one product just barely criticized? It's like everyone is terrified to criticize the iPhone. Ridiculous.
However, on the speed of the Diamond, which is his primary complaint, I have to agree with him somewhat - even with the latest ROM update from a couple of weeks back, it's still too slow. Sometimes moving from element to element happens reasonably quickly, but there's still a delay where nothing happens at all. That might have been acceptable three years ago, but it's not acceptable today. Too often, it will stall out moving from one thing to the next. The funny thing is that even with that criticism, it's still the best Professional device I've used overall, at least one without a keyboard. On the stability front, even with no third party applications installed, I've had to soft reset it once after about a week of using it, which was a bit disappointing. Since then it's been two weeks without need for a reset, which is pretty good - although I'm spoiled by my T-Mobile Dash; I might have to reboot it once every three months at the worst.
On the looks front, the HTC Touch Diamond does very well. I took it to an AMD event in Austin a couple of weeks ago, and the "wow" factor it had when people looked at it was interesting - everyone loved it, until they started using it and guess what the first thing they said was? "Hmm - it's not very fast, is it?". That's an unfortunate reality about the state of the Touch Diamond right now - I'm really hoping that over the next few months, HTC's software engineers can optimize the Touch Diamond further and eliminate some of those delays.
Shockingly for any of you who know how I feel about most Apple products, I'm probably going to pick up an iPhone (likely a used one) so I can get more hands-on time with Apple's on-screen keyboard - I want to understand the subtleties of their approach vs. HTCs, because I can't seem to get any comfortable degree of accuracy with the Diamond's on-screen keyboard...I make error after error and I'm longing for a physical keyboard again.
Touch Diamond owners: how's your experience with the device so far? Do you agree with this review and rating of 2/6 stars?
(please note: I didn't write this..came from a pocket pc source)
I find my Diamond fast enough, loads of features in such a small device, GPS is very accurate and I find that outdoors it tends to average 9-10 sats which is brilliant, my Tytn 2 managed 7-8 outdoors.
Wi-Fi is fast and connects quickly, overall I would give this phone a 9 out of 10. The only thing that lets it down is the lack of storage, 8gb should have been the minimum, if the iPhone has 8gb and 16gb why the bloody hell did they only put 4gb in I don't know, it's not that the 8gb chips are expensive
Considering you can pick up 8gb micro sd cards for around £18, this was a really stupid decision.
PCPRO are a bunch of Iphone Fan Boys - I wouldn't take much notice of such a biased review
The on screen keyboard is rubbish. PCM keyboard is better but there is no decent VGA skin and I have now switched to cootek touchpal which is pretty good.
I still would prefer a hardware keyboard though so it looks like my hard earned cash may be going the way of a touch pro.
I think it is too slow and I have one with the old rom which was rubbish and a new one which is slightly better but still miles slower than my touch cruise.
I think touch flow 3d is way crapper than the interface on a touch cruise. Way too fiddly to select things. I also preferred more hardware buttons. The battery is rubbish.
On the plus side the screen is amazing and web browsing is pretty good now. Lots of other things can be resized e.g. fonts in emails using the scroller which is pretty neat.
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I think it is too slow and I have one with the old rom which was rubbish and a new one which is slightly better but still miles slower than my touch cruise.
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Hmmm. Funny. I had the cruise and I found the Diamond (even with the eariler rom) to be faster - enough to keep and be happy with (the Cruise went back to the store for being too slow- dialing was impossible, as you needed to wait long seconds before entering the next digit). I can't use Opera. Not a positive experience. I use IE.
So this tells me it's all VERY VERY subjective.
VGA skin for PCM keyboard. Resco Keyboard is a good alternative too.
http://pocketcm.com/phorum/read.php?14,1813
Personally if you are going to use your fingers, PCM is better
Its the Mac Versus PC arguement all over again!!!!!
I saw only one, extremely true and valid review up till now, and that was at Phonearena.com.
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Diamond-Review-review-r_1956.html
i think the IPhone was very pushed by the press, they say to everyone "that thing is best, you need it!" bu i think there it will be soon a few people how see that the iphone is not all and it is to expensive for what it give. all these brandings, sim locks and many other is stupid. ok they ca be removed, but then the waranty is lost. but everyone who will the iphone shuld get one, i was lucky with my diamond, and with any other htc.
and about the rating on pc pro is unrealistic, i think they love realy the iphone and won't accept that are other phones are available and are as good as the iphone!
whys everyone so shocked? its like the video game industry and every other industry. they get paid and are given incentives to give good reviews (early test models, etc..)...that way everyone rushes out to buy the product..
They really need to try dutty's new ROM.. and if battery life is a problem for them, they could always go get the beefier battery. I'm happy with my Diamond - 2/6 is rediculous rating.
Been offered a diamond ( which I have updated to latest rom and works pretty fast) or a touch 3g 2 weeks old. Can you advise the pros and cons of each and what would be the best buy?
Cheers
ryanburger said:
Been offered a diamond ( which I have updated to latest rom and works pretty fast) or a touch 3g 2 weeks old. Can you advise the pros and cons of each and what would be the best buy?
Cheers
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I guess this all depends on where you live if you want 3G or not. Example: 3G is on the Touch 3G is only available in Europe and not North America. Thus no 3G if that matters to you. On the Diamond, 3G is pretty much world wide.
It's best to get more detail....here
ryanburger said:
Been offered a diamond ( which I have updated to latest rom and works pretty fast) or a touch 3g 2 weeks old. Can you advise the pros and cons of each and what would be the best buy?
Cheers
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Diamond all the way. The specs and usability are twice as good as a Touch3G. The only advantage of the Touch3G would be Footprints (yup the VGA version of Footprints is bug central ).
Can you explian what footprints are? Excuse my ignorance. Also will use the phone in UK. Just that the Touch 3g seems marginarly faster when using the touchflow interface. But the screen on the diamond is nice. R
footprints i think is just an extra tab on touchflo, where you can take snaps, add texts and upload them somwhere to the world wide web.
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footprints i think is just an extra tab on touchflo, where you can take snaps, add texts and upload them somwhere to the world wide web.
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It adds GPS-data to your photos so you and others can see where in the world the photo was snapped.
Pros Touch3G = better processor
Pros Diamond = TFT3D, VGA
about model, color etc, depends on you
This was the same confusion when i wa about to buy diamond. Now post buying diamond...its Diamond anytime anywhere in the world
I vote for diamond beside the design very elegant you also will get that you want on that phone
I have tried both Diamond and Touch 3g over the last few days and the diamond is much nicer with more features, however the battery life is terrible. I tried to show someone the features of it and within minutes I could see the battery life fading away. The touch 3g on the other hand (although fewer features) seems a little faster and to be honest, unless you use camera or GPS regularly, I can probably get by with less features. FM radio for instance. I cant remember when I used the headset on my last phone, finding it an optional extra that's not needed.
I must admit, I have difficulty resisting all the latest bangs and whistles gadjets but secuming to the high price tags and poor battery life etc when in reality I hardly use all of the features advertised.
R
ryanburger said:
I have tried both Diamond and Touch 3g over the last few days and the diamond is much nicer with more features, however the battery life is terrible. I tried to show someone the features of it and within minutes I could see the battery life fading away. The touch 3g on the other hand (although fewer features) seems a little faster and to be honest, unless you use camera or GPS regularly, I can probably get by with less features. FM radio for instance. I cant remember when I used the headset on my last phone, finding it an optional extra that's not needed.
I must admit, I have difficulty resisting all the latest bangs and whistles gadjets but secuming to the high price tags and poor battery life etc when in reality I hardly use all of the features advertised.
R
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Actually a Diamond will get insane battery life. It just depends on the ROM being used. In about 6 hours of moderate use, I have 82% of my battery left from a full charge. Just throwing that out there.
What ROM is that? I have updated to the latest from HTC namaely 2.03.405.3 WWE . It does run faster but I had to charge it twice at work today after showing someone google maps on HSDPA . I think it looks great but £G seems faster and more reliable. Thanks Ryan
Hey guys, possibly a biased place to be asking this but is it worth me buying this phone? I would get it on Orange for £25 a month when they get it back in stock
Unlimited texts, fair few minutes as well.
What are the APPS like for it? Do the pros outweigh the cons? Easy to type?
Sorry for the noob questions but I really need a new phone and this looks good.
I was originally thinking the LG Renoir but even with custom firmware it still sounds buggy.
Just wanna hear the opinions of people who have had the phone for a while and had to time to play about a bit
Thanks
Jacob
Shoud you buy it?
I had a SPV M700 for a while but it had limited internal ram (50mb useable) which restricted use of 3rd party software so i upgraded to a diamond.
I have been using it for a week and I am not impressed.
Its advertised as 198 / 256 ram depending on the version but actually only has 105mb usable ram.
There is a lot of lag when switching programs and you miss a lot of incoming calls due to lag in the slide to answer function.
It does not have a dedicated camera button. The camera is slow to take a pic as it has to autofocus before the shutter clicks.
My biggest gripe is the navigation pad. It is very low quality and awkward to manouvre that it is almost unusable. The M700 has a high quality precision pad which is a delight to use.
Battery life is particularly poor, lasting about a day and a half.
If you flash it with good cooked ROM Diamon becomes a good device but if you want only Stock SW else it isn't impressive...
"...I would get it on Orange for £25 a month when they get it back in stock
Unlimited texts, fair few minutes as well how you pay now." the question is: How much do I pay now?
D'rath
Well I would flash it with a cooked ROM
Does anyone have a site or thread which explains all about having a phone with Windows Mobile because I have never used the software before and would like to gain a basic understanding of modding the phone.
But still, do the pros outweigh the cons?
If not what would you recomend in the same price range?
Thanks
Jacob
Read XDA forums
WM is hard the first time: you must change a lot of things, registry hack etc... if you won't do that else buy iPhone or a basic cellphone.
D'rath
Well this is one of the best phone to have...
Infact i had HTC TOUCH before...then i got Diamond...this piece of art is so cool and delicate that initially you bound to take utmost care while using it...but in couple of weeks u will fell in love with this device...according to me its one of the best device to own
dont think 2ice go for it
vishalkishnani said:
Well this is one of the best phone to have...
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I'd second that. Having owned one for about 9 months I am still impressed by my HTC Diamond even (or particularly) when comparing to Iphones, Omnias, Palms etc.
Why? Mainly because it is VGA resolution, the SMALLEST Smartphone usable I found and cute.
Main thing is to get a good ROM ( I used the NAKED 2.03 one) and software of your choice and you are done. Costs around 100 Euros for me in terms of software but now it does EVERYTHING I need and want: Calendar Thumbcal, SBP Mobile Shell, G-Alarm, Lingvosoft Dictionaries, AudioTouch, Coreplayer, and Most Importantly: TouchPAL keyboard with Multi language support, plus some freeware tools). On Top TomTOm and you are done.
Battery life is around 3-4 days for me. But the UNIQUE SELLING PROPERTY is definitively the excellent small form factor and its beauty ;-)
Plus, now you should get it quite cheap (got mine for 180 Euros on ebay MINT).
Are you sure you get that much battery life.
Cause i had heard it doesnt last long, maximum a day.
Battery life is my major concern otherwise i am getting this phone.
The best is HD (big display makes diffence!!!)
2 days could be normal but if you call a lot, web, road Nav etc battery run away
On my HD 2 day with normal use
D'rath
In all honesty, I would say do not buy it.
Not because the phone is crap; I love my diamond, there are still parts I dislike but overall it's a keeper. My battery, with normal use, some gps, googlemapping, exchange direct push, 2 other mailboxes, 2 days on battery is certainly doable. The camera sucks though...fps is too low except in the best of lighting conditions. It is certainly NOT what the marketing shows it..
But, they are about to release the update (I thought they already did in europe?)
The new HTC google phones look nice, and will have all the functionality of this phone (including exchange).
The palm pre is nice also..a coworker just bought one..it doesn't have full exchange support yet (security policies). It really does seem like a nice phone..I wish I made more money I'd just buy all the cool phones and try them out. hah
Windows mobile is too outdated...they need to really get on the ball. HTC shouldn't have to create a layer on top to make it functional. And even then..the engine running behind the scenes is too slow, compared to the competition. I really think, unless you need an app that is only on windows mobile, get one of the other 3 phones (gphone, iphone, pre), or wait.
I dont care about the camera(coming from touch), so its still better for me.
Battery life is ma major concern, if it gets 2 days of normal usage than i am getting this phone.
OK its important question, please answer it.
How much time will the battery last if playing FM radio continously????
And is it worth buying used diamond for 200 USD??
Hmm, don't use FM radio much, but a lot of MP3 which should be similar. Though continuously??? probably a cheap radio for 10 $ is more suitable??
Anyway, with about one hour MP3s per day mine lasts 3 or four days depending on WIFI and HPS usage mainly.
Moreover, you can get a 30 Euros Battery which just adds 3mm thickness but 50% more battery which I will buy for sure once mine dies.
Compared to the PRE, I or G Phone, obviously they are nice, just in my opinion TOO BIG since you cannot write a novel anyhow on the device so I prefer one which compoares to very small phones, easily sits in the shirt pocket and is lightweight. Other than that, obviously go for a newer version, you get bit more speed and screen size.
In the end, its all a matter of taste and yes, Windows Mobile is crap but with Mobile Shell and other software, i hardly see it on my device.
Should you buy it?
It all depends on the type of person you are
If you are a gadget geek and like experimenting with new software etc then this is an ideal phone because there is lot of support, free, hacked and commercial software available.
Also
If you use Office software at work and need outllook / excell etc. on the move then buy it. The GPS and wifi functions are brilliant on this phone. The GPS coupled with TOMTOM is mile better than Iphone and for a lot less dollars.
On the other hand if you want a 100% reliable and user friendly phone then go for dedicated phone as this is a jack of all trades and will occasionally let you down.
The best analogy one can give is playing games on a PC and a playstation / xbox. The PC will occasionally freeze and need restarting whereas the PS/xbox will run the games flawlessly everytime BUT that is all they will do.
Hey all.
Today, you would be a diamond 1 or HD/Diamond 2 ?
Iv'e heared diamond 1 is slow, and her touch sceen is crap.
Well, depends on how you look at it. Of course the phone can be slow and such, but with minor tweaks to TF3D and to the registry, you can get the phone real smooth. Out of all those you said, I would pick HD because it got a 3,5mm jack and a bigger screen
Dont get a Diamond 1. You'll be investing un old(er) tech. I would get a Diamond 2 or TP2. I'm using a BB Bold at the moment which i prefere to the Diamond.. I'm sticking with RIM untill WinMo 7 comes out natively on devices.
If the previews of the Zune HD are anything to go by then Win Mo 7 will be worth the wait and i'll be ditching RIM in a heartbeat as they just dont have the same quality of software base available possibly due to restrictions of what memory is available to programs whilst there running. But, what they do well is the basics you'd expect of a communications device. Email, phone calls, even the mp3 player is much better sound quality than on my old Diamond
The efforts of the ROM cookers on this forum is excellent and Im sure MS are taking on board comments from web sites like this but a chef is only as good as his ingredients and the ROMs being leaked at the moment are full of bugs.
This is obviously just my own opinion on the subject though
i prefere the diamond 1 its cheaper , cooler , got the look , have a lot of developers here , alot of ROMS , does not have any manufacture problems like the diamond 2 or the pro 2
Aqrab, what manufactues problem are you talking about??
Artieq, iv'e didnt meant about the screen size. iv'e heared its a fingerprint nightmare...and also it have poor battery life.
I can get diamond 1 in 225$, and diamond2/HD in 480- 500$
spikeuk76, what are you talking about ?
"Dont get a Diamond 1. You'll be investing un old(er) tech. I would get a Diamond 2 or TP2. I'm using a BB Bold at the moment which i prefere to the Diamond.. I'm sticking with RIM untill WinMo 7 comes out natively on devices."
What TP2 is ?
BB bold?
RIM?
WINMO 7 ?
Well, now i need to decide between the diamond 2 to the HD. it's a very hard decision
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its cheaper , cooler , got the look , have a lot of developers here , alot of ROMS
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Yeah, that also were the main reasons for me to buy a D1.
D2 has a bigger screen, more RAM, better Cam, microSD card slot and a battery with more capacity. If you need one of these and are willing to invest much more than the D2 is your device.
In my opinion the D1 runs very smooth even with demanding apps. Remember also, D2 has the same chipset.
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Yeah, that also were the main reasons for me to buy a D1.
D2 has a bigger screen, more RAM, better Cam, microSD card slot and a battery with more capacity. If you need one of these and are willing to invest much more than the D2 is your device.
In my opinion the D1 runs very smooth even with demanding apps. Remember also, D2 has the same chipset.
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Hello
I'm gonna make alot of skype calls (wifi) with the device
The device can't replace music player like COWON D2+
Same chipset? what? and the hd have the same also ?
It's not that i need to add alot of money to buy the hd/diamond 2.
I'm afraid the diamond 1 will be slow, fingerprint nightmare, and bad battery.
I think the best for me will be hd/diamond 2.
Well, you are right about the battery life and fingerprints, but the phone itself IS SMOOTH AS SILK (for me).
Well diamond1 is in different level compared to D2 & HD because is a lot cheaper and have less ram and rom.
So between thous two I would go for diamond 2, because it's little smaller than HD, and other specks are the same, except the HD has 3.5 jack & bigger screen.
So it's depends what you like - need, bigger screen 3.5 jack, get HD, I like a little smaller device, that could comfortably fit in my pocket, so I would get D2!
Yeah, its alot cheaper, i can get diamond 1 in 225$, and diamond2/HD in 480- 500$.
But diamond 1 has few bad things that has been fixed in hd and d2, don't you think so?
Anyway, i don't know if i need a big screen. i will mostly use it to make fring (skype) calls, and in 4-6months, i will use the software teamviewer that will be released.
I will not use the device for playing music, because the cowon d2 from what iv'e heared, have better sounds quality.
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Hello
I'm gonna make alot of skype calls (wifi) with the device
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Wifi is an absolute battery drainer. D2 has indeed 200mAh more capacity but also a larger screen. You might wanna go with the D1 HTC 1340mAh "extended battery". Although that one requires another back cover which makes the devices thicker.
efi2222 said:
Same chipset? what? and the hd have the same also ?
It's not that i need to add alot of money to buy the hd/diamond 2.
I'm afraid the diamond 1 will be slow, fingerprint nightmare, and bad battery.
I think the best for me will be hd/diamond 2.
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HD also features the Qualcomm chipset.
From what I and many others can say the D1 runs perfectly smooth - but yes, it is a fingerprint magnet (as will be D2/HD) and its battery is small. I bought a second one but only for heavy usage (eg navigation on the bike). Otherwise it offers me a reasonable lifetime even when listening to music for hrs.
Hey
lol why buy other device when you can just buy an HD/diamond 2
I think i will go over the diamond 2... i will see it in a store and then decide.
thank you.
Hello all,
I have a lot of Problems with this VPA. Now it makes all, but not what I want. After a start it runs fine, but after a Hour it makes silly things.
I will now try a lite Rom or anything else.
Thanks a lot to all hard Workers on custom Roms
today i sold my diamond. thx foe god...i just wanna thx to all xda members who helped me modding and ypgrading..but after i saw the iphone, tired that famous multi touch...i just sicked and tired of changin roms, etc...
hope one day when winmo will have multi touch, changable rongtones and such litle things i will back to htc devices...
cheers...
Can't comment on multi-touch, but pretty sure every Windows mobile device I've had since my first Magician has supported changing ringtones, in fact I actually found the adding of ringtones to be more hassle on the iPhone than it ever was on any of my Win devices. (I recently sold my iPhone 3G in favour of getting a new Windows Mobile device)
Just been offered the Diamond for free on a £20/month contract, so seriously considering going for that unless something else is available