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*Hopeless* GPS after 6.1 Update?

I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?

Boinng said:
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Usually, I've found the GPS lock time is Radio Based. Maybe try a different Radio.

Boinng said:
I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. snip...
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The only thing that is going to get me off the DEATH V3.5 ROM is a newer Rom by this same person.
The GPS is the best that I have ever had...
The phone signal is the best that I have ever had...
The GPS lock is about 30 seconds after TomTom starts...
The battery life is phenomenal - (it takes about 24 hours for the phone meter to register correctly) but I had 79 percent battery life left after using the phone all day yesterday at 11 pm last night (unplugged it at 6 AM).
Obviously - your carrier, your radio and ROM and where you are in the world can affect your signal greatly - but at this point - for me - the DEATH V3.5 ROM and radio rock and will stay on this phone as I LOVE having no phone issues.
HTH
Bill

Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"

I have never looked at the official HTC ROM for comparison but I had the same thing after updating to certain ROM (non-official) the only way around it I found (other than replacing the phone) is another radio. Its not a problem with the ROM at all my good man just replace the radio and you should see a quicker lock time
I use radio 1.64.08.21 ang get a lock after approx 10-15 secs

Well If you are going to be snippy about it. Never mind. Forget I tried to help.
Though You may be hard pressed to find someone who is using the Stock ROM, I believe most people are wooed by the magic of Leo26, ConfusedStu, dutty, and the other Chefs out there.

So you wouldn't say that quoting my post back to me as "...snip snippity snip snip..." was being "snippy" in the first place?
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I'm just interested in whether this is a common problem or not. I know GPS performance varies between radios, but with this new ROM & radio the difference is pretty shocking, and given that HTC are expecting the whole world to have installed it, I was surprised nobody else seemed to have noticed. You're probably right, nobody here kept it for long enough to find out apart from me, but I like my phone to be "stock". I guess this is my reward.
The answer probably is to try another radio, but it's a funny old situation.

Boinng said:
Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"
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I'm using the new (WM6.1) stock ROM from HTC on my Tytn-II and haven't had any issues with GPS lock. I would say less than 30 seconds assumming it has a clear view of a good percentage of the sky. Fix time is the same whether I use TomTom, GPS Tuner, or the HTC-GPS Tool.
Ofcourse if I try and start-up GPS while indoors or in an area where buildings block more than 50% of the sky then the fix time can be much longer.

Boinng said:
I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?
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I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.

Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.

kavi said:
I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.
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I'm on the stock SPL - my phone is Vodafone branded so I was originally using Hard SPL (with which I flashed the original stock HTC Rom) and then flashed the HTC 3.28 SPL after I found I had freezing issues with the 6.1 update. Haven't touched the new Hard 3.28, but from what you say it's obviously not going to help. I did wonder if the mystery fix in the 3.29 SPL might have something to do with the GPS, but if it's working fine for you on 3.28 who knows.

ardsar said:
Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.
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That's how it looks to me too - looking at the signal levels in GPS Test etc, it's not obviously a problem with the radio performance itself, which makes me doubt that changing the radio will actually help (while it will no doubt screw something else up).

I was just browsing through an interesting thread here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=292178 - on how Quick GPS works (or didn't work for a while) on the Artemis. There's some interesting stuff there about how all this is supposed to work.
I'm really suspecting that Quick GPS is broken in some way in the latest ROM. If it were working, then the phone should always have the almanac data and this should be visible in the settings screens in Tom Tom and other gps progs as satellites it's expecting to be there, but for me - unless I've had a very recent lock - it's always blank. In other words, the data isn't there, regardless of what Quick GPS is saying.
And a good question would be - where should the data be? Quick GPS itself is stored in the \windows folder, but there's no sign of the "packedephemeris.ee" file mentioned in the Artemis thread. Does anyone know where we should be able to find it on the Kaiser?
Another question is what server(s) should Quick GPS be downloading from - in my non-functioning Quick GPS, the settings in the registry are as follows:
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\0\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\1\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\0\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\1\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\0\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\1\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
The three servers (xtra1, xtra2, etc) are also listed under HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\SNTP as Server 1, Server 2, Server 3 - does anyone see anything different on there working model?

Im having the same problem,
Running Dutty's 6.1 Dual rom. Once the ROM had installed I noticed that QuickGPS didn't work straight off the bat. I suffered long GPS lock wait times. I found a QuickGPS cab file which fixed QuickGPS but my lock times don't seem to have improved. Via GPSTest I get 3-4 within sight straight away, but they sit on red for ages perhaps a few more satellites with appear but again they'll all sit on red. until about 15 mins passes, then finally a fix.
Im sure my GPS responded quicker than that in previous ROM's. at the moment its not really effecting me and im really not going to go through another ROM change again to test.
Im already on radio 1.64.08.21 which is supposed to be the best out there. tut.
no idea about hard spl and all that business, not really sure what y'going on about.
Would also like to find a fix for this, as i've tried a few different methods of fixing with no luck.

So it's not the radio, which ties in with my hunch that this is more to do with Quick GPS. But my Quick GPS registry settings match those I've found elsewhere, and I've found the data - it's an "xtra.bin" file in the Windows folder, which also matches reports from working installs. And I'm having no problem with the whole downloading process, that's happening in the background (through Activesync) just as it always was.
So is there something in the actual Rom (and presumably the base rom used by Dutty) which isn't picking up that data when utlising GPS?

Well I think I read a few posts on Dutty's Dual ROM thread about QuickGPS not working straight off, but its a long thread to plow through to find out. S its entirely possible there's a good reason.
Hmmm

well I proved to myself im not inherently lazy I did a bit of searching around and found this little gem of a thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375172
it suggested that QuickGPS has a region setting in the registry
low and behold I checked my
HKLM\Software\HTC\QuickGPS\region
and it was set to US,
I changed this to say UK, I've not tested this but I think this might make a difference. I'll let you know whenI get the chance to play around on the way home from work. I usually try and get a fix on the 15 minute walk to my bus and dont get any fix at all, If all goes fine I'll be watching myself in Igo8 on the way home. Sad.

Hmm, fingers crossed for you, I just checked and mine it's showing "GB" though. So maybe your's should be GB (although that's not working too well for me) or maybe mine's wrong, and should be UK?

well I just popped outside for a quick test and Corblimey guvenor if Im not getting a fix in about 20 seconds.
Which is excellent to say the least since i was sat under a canopy of trees at the time and its grim as normal up't'north.
Id switch yours to UK, I didnt really think to try GB, but If its not working for you right now, I'd suggest trying UK.

I changed it to UK, soft reset, tried Tom Tom, no change. I then checked the registry and it had switched back to GB, so I changed it again, closed and reopened Quick GPS and redownloaded, back to Tom Tom again and.. no change. I don't think it's going to do it for me, maybe we have two different problems here..

WM6.1 f*cked up my GPS

Hi,
I've updated my kaiser with the original wm6.1 update from htc.
Since then it takes forever to get a fix. Once i have one the signal is as strong as before.
It takes over 10 min to get a fix if i even get one at all...
I use TomTom v6 (032.8351) as navigator using the build-in receiver option.
QuickGPS is always up-to-date so that's not the problem.
Is there a way to test the gps hardware and/or settings?

CoolCow said:
Hi,
I've updated my kaiser with the original wm6.1 update from htc.
Since then it takes forever to get a fix. Once i have one the signal is as strong as before.
It takes over 10 min to get a fix if i even get one at all...
I use TomTom v6 (032.8351) as navigator using the build-in receiver option.
QuickGPS is always up-to-date so that's not the problem.
Is there a way to test the gps hardware and/or settings?
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Same here, does the GPS really use the QuickGPS update? It seems it uses really old definitions or something. Does a custom baked ROM, like a Dutty rom, fix this prob?

Has either one of you disabled AGPS (Assissted GPS)?

Yes, it is disabled here.

bio88 said:
Yes, it is disabled here.
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Did u ever use app like gpstest or gpstool? they are very helpfull in "kicking up" the gps signal.

Where can i get this?

bio88 said:
Where can i get this?
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gpstest is a freeware, u can get it in P1Taters "storage", he has got it in his signature(its in cabs/a must for me).
Or try to google it.

AGPS is quite different, it's disabled by default in most ROMs including the new 6.1 update, no surprise there.
QuickGPS is separate and should be working, and indeed appears to be working just fine, but for whatever reason the data is collects just isn't being used by the GPS in 6.1 ROMs. This has been discussed here at length (search for "hopeless GPS") and there's no solution in sight. Some claim not to have the problem, for others it's all too obvious. We can all get quick fixes from time to time, but the consistent reliability from the old 6.0 ROMs is completely gone in 6.1.
Every registry tweak, "GPS test" and radio change suggested here has proven to be a placebo so far - I'm just waiting (forever, probably) for a patch from HTC.

The same problem is also mentioned in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397728 I hope that someone will find a solution...

Sorry guys, but after sofreset I get first fix after 1-2 minutes and after that when I launch iGO I get a fix after some seconds(10-20).

Boinng said:
AGPS is quite different, it's disabled by default in most ROMs including the new 6.1 update, no surprise there.
QuickGPS is separate and should be working, and indeed appears to be working just fine, but for whatever reason the data is collects just isn't being used by the GPS in 6.1 ROMs. This has been discussed here at length (search for "hopeless GPS") and there's no solution in sight. Some claim not to have the problem, for others it's all too obvious. We can all get quick fixes from time to time, but the consistent reliability from the old 6.0 ROMs is completely gone in 6.1.
Every registry tweak, "GPS test" and radio change suggested here has proven to be a placebo so far - I'm just waiting (forever, probably) for a patch from HTC.
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For you maybe. Mine seems to work flawless. Every time I try, it works.
BTW, AGPS is not always disabled. Yes it is different but it might be interfering with the GPS software. It did in one of Dutty's roms i beta tested for him.
@ everyone else. Here is some cabs that might help speed up GPS Locks. Keyword is "might".
GPS Test >>http://www.4shared.com/file/39878866/6000e5dc/GPSTestppc.html
Quick GPS >>http://www.4shared.com/file/41184769/2d4081af/HTCQuickGPS_1_00_919717_01.html
Schap's Quick GPS >>http://www.4shared.com/file/39881509/516514c3/Schaps_QuickGPS_1_00_17201933_00_WWE.html
GPS Tool >>http://www.4shared.com/file/36654853/c713bfd1/Nadavi_HTC_GPS_TOOL.html

Mikulec said:
Sorry guys, but after sofreset I get first fix after 1-2 minutes and after that when I launch iGO I get a fix after some seconds(10-20).
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Congratulations?
I can sometimes get first fix after 1-2 minutes, the problem is that other times (seemingly at random) it can be 5, 10, 15, or 20 minutes. Without properly functioning QuickGPS, it's basically luck of the draw.
Once you've had a lock, the data is retained for some hours (unless you reset) so subsequent fixes will usually be fairly instanteneous, even for me. None of this really helps.
Like I said before, some people claim not to have the problem, some of them may even be right, but unfortunately for others the problem definitely exists, and nobody's put their finger on the cause.

P1Tater said:
For you maybe. Mine seems to work flawless. Every time I try, it works.
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Great. This definitely proves my GPS is fine after all. Thanks for all your help.
P1Tater said:
@ everyone else. Here is some cabs that might help speed up GPS Locks. Keyword is "might".
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Keyword is "placebo". Running a different GPS app before the actual GPS app you want to use doesn't actually speed anything up, it just makes it seem like you're "doing something". All software like GPS Test does is open a port to your GPS and try to get a fix - do you think TomTom doesn't do that already?

Boinng said:
Like I said before, some people claim not to have the problem, some of them may even be right
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So, those that don't have the issue are liars? Good luck figuring it out. I don't feel like having this argument on whether or not mine is working. Childish in my opinion, so I'll just move on. I believe it's quite ignorant to insult those that have tried to help whether by posting cabs or possible advice
@ everyone else, I posted some links to some cabs that might help or might not. I hope they do help those that indeed need it and not those that just want to complain. Good luck.

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So, those that don't have the issue are liars?
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Yes of course, they're damned dirty liars, all of them.
Or they've misunderstood the problem.
Or they've just tried their GPS for the first time in weeks and gotten a reasonably quick fix, just like any of us (myself included) could have done on any random occasion (consistency is the key in this).
Or they're running a completely different ROM/Radio and haven't really been paying attention (that wouldn't be you would it?)
Point is, I'd strongly encourage anyone genuinely experiencing this problem not to bother even reading this thread, just get onto HTC for a fix. All the potions and pills being suggested here are a waste of time; they've all been tried, and they don't work.
I believe it's quite ignorant to insult those that have tried to help whether by posting cabs or possible advice
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Bully for you. I believe it's quite ignorant (not to mention bloody irritating) to come onto a thread about a problem you've obviously not experienced, and try to suggest that problem doesn't exist, or that we won't have already tried all the most blindingly obvious fixes for it. But ce la vie.

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Or they're running a completely different ROM/Radio and haven't really been paying attention (that wouldn't be you would it?)
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Yup, that's me. I ignored all issues reported and used a different rom/radio combination to try and fix the issue. Oops. BTW, I never once stated the problem did not exist, as I know it does for some. You stated those that say they are not experiencing the problem are mistaken.
All I can say is that my combination is working for me. I use GPS at least 3 times a week and I always get a fix in under 20 sec. Dutty's June 8 rom and radio 1.58.25.17. Yes, this rom does have issues, but the issue's that it does have do not pertain to me as I dont use the apps that the issues involve.

OMG, this thread is going in the other direction that was supposed.
U try to help him and u get a slap in the face instead of simple THANK YOU.
Nice attitude man.

I know, jeez, isn't it? Crikey. Just goes to show. Who'd have thought it.
Anyway, if you've updated your HTC Tytn II to the new WM 6.1 update, and have been experiencing erratic GPS performance ever since, please do contact HTC Support at their website (www.htc.com) and register a bug report there. That's the only way we're all going to get a fix. Thanks!

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I use GPS at least 3 times a week and I always get a fix in under 20 sec.
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You get a fix in less than 20 seconds after a cold start of Gps? This is exactly the problem i'm dealing with WM6.1 roms. I can't get a fix in less than 2 minutes (cold start) and i have tried many 6.1 roms and many radios. In WM6 roms i get a fix in less than 20 seconds. Can you please tell me which rom do you have installed in your Kaiser? Thank you
Edit: Please give me a link for this rom you are using. Thank you

Thanks for the tips.
I'll try the tools, see if that dous anything good, otherwise i'll send a verry irritated e-mail to htc.
Btw, has anyone tried other navigation software like iGo, MioMap or Destinator?
Same problems?
And if there is no way to fix it for now, is it possible to downgrade to the original WM6?
A hard reset won't bring it back to WM6 i gues?

GPS in ATT Tilt

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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???
Did HTC or XDA devs publish a spec sheet? Did anyone ask this question before? Did Google develop the art of searching?

There's a LOT on this and if you only look at the specs, you'll know. In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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seriously...I means SERIOUSLY???? Have you ever looked at the back of your Tilt where it says GPS?? or did you never read specs on the tilt or are you unable to understand english??
LEARN TO SEARCH!!!

Durrr.....why am I hungry? It doesnt say anywhere on my body that its hungry.

Yes, the ATT Tilt has GPS
It does have a built-in GPS. This same issue threw me off at first too, until I figured it out..
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP. Actual Kaiser and TyTnII owners may already know about the GPS, but the ONLY part of the "AT&T Tilt" documentation referring to GPS is the brief mention of being able to get TeleNav. I know this because I have one. The specs/box mention that it has GPS, but that's all.
Now if I remember correctly, the GPS is COM3 or COM4 by default (unless you changed it in Start->Settings->System->External GPS). I changed mine to COM0 just for the hell of it, and it functions normally.
TomTom should work just fine, set it to 4800 baud, and try it with each COM port available in the options. It sometimes takes a few minutes for TomTom to display that the GPS is in "connected, but no valid signal yet" mode.
If you want to be able to use your Tilt's GPS as an external for some other device, the best thing I've found is GPSGate, but any COM-port splitter should work (as long as it presents a new Bluetooth and/or Serial service)
GPSGate is also useful since you can tell it to log your GPS data to any URL, à la those logging/who-stole-my-phone programs. It can also multiplex the GPS port for use by multiple programs (but I think that functionality is also built into WM and is called the "GPS Intermediate Driver", but I may be mistaken)
Hope this helps!
--Weasel

It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??

Well I didnt' come to this forum to get this kind of response...and no I have never looked at the back of my phone...I let others do my dirty work
Administrators ... delete my account ... please...

bartimeus said:
It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??
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Oh I only researched it for 2 months and played with a friend's phone for another month before buying...

weasel5i2 said:
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP.
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Thank you.......

kareem9nba said:
In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.
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...and this is all I wanted to know...

bigone5500, just keep a list of those who flame others and those who are helpful, then when and "IF" you decide to donate, check your list.....
this site is a very good place for great info, do not let those who's only purpose here is to belittle others run you off.....

GPS stopped working for my ATT TILT
my GPS was working fine. my tomtom was working fine, googlemaps was working fine. then all of a sudden a few weeks ago it just stopped working! usually i would use GPS test to get a working signal and then I would run tomtom and it would work. a few months ago it started to take a much longer time to acquire a valid gps signal (it would take a few to 5 minutes). but now it just doesnt find one at all! is there anything i could do to try to fix this? what com port should it be on? im thinking i mightve changed one of the settings unknowingly. please help!

How to tell TomTom is actually using QuickGPS?

Hi
Can anyone tell me how to work out if TomTom is actually using QuickGPS data?
On my old phone (which also had QuickGPS) when I went into the GPS details immediately after loading TomTom I'd see loads of satalites listed on the histogram before I actually got a lock. Now when I do a cold start they don't show until I've got a lock. For a warm start they do show and I get a very quick lock, but I'm guessing the QuickGPS data is more for speeding up the cold starts.
Also does anyone know if it makes a difference whether I choose "Internal GPS Device" or "Othe NMEA Device"? Either seems to work
Thanks
Dan

Timed testing?
dancj said:
Can anyone tell me how to work out if TomTom is actually using QuickGPS data?
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When the HTC TyTN II WWE WM 6.1 upgrade that wasn't first came out and GPS performance fell through the floor, there was speculation that QuickGPS wasn't doing its thing and that this was (at least part of) the reason for the very poor GPS performance and extended times to get a lock. Short of timed testing to achieve a satelite lock which isn't conclusive, I'm not aware of a way to prove that the data is being used by Tomtom or any other navigation software but it might be worth reviewing/searching among some of those past threads on the topic. Theres also alot of discussion in the Raphael forum about poor GPS performance on some Touch Pro devices and some of that is at 'nuts and bolts' level.
On my old phone (which also had QuickGPS) when I went into the GPS details immediately after loading TomTom I'd see loads of satalites listed on the histogram before I actually got a lock. Now when I do a cold start they don't show until I've got a lock. For a warm start they do show and I get a very quick lock, but I'm guessing the QuickGPS data is more for speeding up the cold starts.
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Yes it is. Have a read of the Kaiser GPS Enhancement Guide for some general information in this field but a seach should also yield LOTS on the topic.
Also does anyone know if it makes a difference whether I choose "Internal GPS Device" or "Othe NMEA Device"? Either seems to work
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I had it suggested to me (by HTC) to use the latter and configure the port manually but after much trialling this, I found it didn't fix the problem of poor GPS performance and as far as I was concerned was a waste of time. Given the version of Tomtom Navigator 6.032 was a special one co-developed with HTCs assistance for their devices, I cant see why changing away from 'Internal' should be benificial. In the end my slow fix fix only came with reverting to WM 6.0 for me. I believe some later WM 6.1 ROM/Radio/SPL combinations now offer GPS performance which is much better than earlier WM 6.1 implementations but as these aren't (yet) available through HTCs UK website for my device and I know what I currently have works very well, I'm staying with the official WM 6.0 setup for now. My device is out of warranty, so one day I may try another setup for comparison (say the latest Hong Kong WWE ROM/Radio/SPL).

Thanks - I'm experimenting with radio at the moment and I have managed to get some improvement, but it's annoying not being sure if QuickGPS is really working

dancj said:
Thanks - I'm experimenting with radio at the moment and I have managed to get some improvement, but it's annoying not being sure if QuickGPS is really working
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Have you seen this thread about Hopeless GPS after WM 6.1 update yet? Since you're in the UK I'm interested to know how your GPS under WM 6.1 with your fairly new Radio is performing. What sort of times do you get standing still out in the open to get a 'cold' satelite lock? Have you tested with that 1.71xxxx eMO Radio as well? I believe the SPL version can also make a difference to GPS performance but I don't know any more about why that is.

In the last couple of days I've tried the 1.70.19.09 and 1.70.18.02 radios. They seem to have a much better GPS performance than 1.58.25.17 which I was on before. It's only been a couple of days though so I can't be 100%

How to tweak to the maximum the Kaiser GPS?

Hello there,
I bought a week ago a second hand kaiser, and i noticed that it already had the hyper dragon IV lite rom flashed, so i told myself, all the hard work is done, go try some custom roms.
And I did, there was some lite ones, some plenty of softwares, some 6.5, but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
So, in order to be a more independant guy, i searched, and i searched again, i found some useful threads that made my gps work (because it almost wasn't working i bought it), and some others that made GPSTest display high bars on gps detecting but no fix at all (it also screwed my signal, and fu**** up my camera, and that's bad), all that by changing radio roms and trying.
And well i am very tired of trying again and again, feel just like if i was stuck in the middle of nowhere.
So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
I'm living at Brussel in belgium, living in the 5th floor, and testing my gps close to window, or i go to a parc 10 minutes away from home.
I am ready to try almost everything that can guis ALL of US to have a better GPS!

This works for me.
neolander said:
but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
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I can relate to that as they are both near the top of my priority list too.
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So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
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I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
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As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
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I don't (need to) use that software as GPS performs fine without it on my setup.
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.

I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.

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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
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Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
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Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
I dont have any film on my windows
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
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Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.
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Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
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I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.
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I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
And like a i said i'll give Igo a shot too
Thank you for your interest, thanks for answering me
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Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again

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Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I don't understand what you're getting at. The precise setup in my signature works really well for GPS. If you flash all those components and aren't to far away from the UK, I imagine it'll work well for you - there's no harm in trying.
Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
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The map for my 'old' version of TomTom was on special offer (Western Europe 6.75) so you may well pick up a bargain.
I dont have any film on my windows
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I was just kidding about lead lined walls and metalised film covered windows (although many new cars these days have metalised windscreens, so if it doesn't work in your car that may be why).
Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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Thats because you've not read the relevant ROM Flashing wiki's and stickies enough to know that you must use a WM 6.0 Radio with a WM 6.0 ROM. I suggest you spend more time revising things in this area as it WILL be time well spent and you'll learn more about your device.
Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
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Thats one of the links in the relavant section have a look at the TomTom Section around two thirds down the Kaiser wiki
I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
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Well you needent. All the details of what works best (as far as stock components go) are in my sig and as Belgium isn't far from the UK, I cant see why it shouldn't work well for you also
Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again
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You did read the part in the wiki about making sure you have a WM 6.0 compatible SPL version didn't you (SPL questions? section covers it well). Again, you need ALL the bits in my sig (note that I don't need or use GPStest under this WM 6.0 setup). I cant say how it'll go with other than TomTom 6 as thats all I've used apart from Google Maps which also works very well on this setup - you might want to try the free Google Maps for testing purposes if you have a data package from your network provider.
I got my current setup by flashing hardSPL 1 then the complete ROM shown in my sig (which came with 1.27.12.11 Radio originally) then upgrading the radio to 1.27.12.32, then flashing the HTC 1.93 spl (this last step shouldn't be necessary though if you think you'll be doing more flashing).

I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible. I can see it getting signal from a number of sats but it can take 10minutes to lock in sometimes. I've read some threads on the subject, and have tried Quick GPS and have aGPS off, but neither guarantees a quick lock.
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.

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I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible.
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OK - no surprises there then....
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
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You mean like the setup in my signature? You do realise it's possible to go back to this if you read up here on xda-dev about how to do so?
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.
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I agree, short of trying a custom WM 6.1 ROM, with no guarantee of success or installing third party apps to 'help' the GPS work properly, IMO WM 6.1 is a lost cause as far as GPS is concerned.

I had the same problems with the GPS, what I've found to work is using a program called GPSToday. there are 2 programs, one is a today plugin, and the other is a program. I use the program, and it really makes a difference for me. If you do a search in the Kaiser software forum, you will find more information about it. I use it with TomTom software, i start GPS today a min or 2 before i start tomtom and i get a fix right away.
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HyperDragon IV Rhodium

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Great News from Here
I Managed to get my phone configured exactly like yours, and god! It is damnly fast, i got my first fix within seconds, its almost unbelievable !
I had it configured like that when you first advised, but i forgot to downgrade spl, i suppose that was the cause of the malfunctioning.
I really recommend to everyone who have the same priorities, to flash back to Flying Kiwi settings:
ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
ROM Date: 08/28/07
Radio: 1.27.12.32 (better than 1.27.12.11 with WMP)
Protocol: 22.45.88.07H
SPL: 1.93
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Here is the threads that can help you :
For the SPL: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
For downloading the 1.56.405.5 rom: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
For the 1.27.12.32 radio: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Radio
Man, you really were very helpful, thank you very very very much, and my kaiser is even faster with this settings.
If i can help by anyway send a pm please
This post should be made sticky for future information!
EDIT:
I have to Warn you Guys: In order to have the GPS working you have to follow this procedure:
Flash the 1.56.405.5 rom and then flash the 1.27.12.32 radio rom, and finally flash the SPL, otherwise GPS will not work, i just tested that

Did the Wm6.0 up/downgrade also resolve the precission of the GPS?
Iam now on WM6.1 WWE with radio 1.70.19.09 and hardSPL 3.56 with a realy fast GPS fix within 30 secs. no problems with that
But the problem is that I mention a little lag kind of thing when navigation with TT7 in my car. The Tomtom arrow is little bit behind with the reality it is usable though but if i connect it to an external sirfIII gps mouse it is more accurate.
So I wonder if you guys also have a slight GPS lag with WM6.0...
in Tomtom