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Another broken GPS.

Hey guys, hope you can help.
Successfully updated my V1615 to WM6.1 on Friday.
Before I did this, I had TomTom installed which used to get a lock on to the satellites in less than 30 seconds.
I used the device with TomTom on Saturday and after an initial delay of locking on (which I assumed normal as it was a fresh install) it worked.
However trying to use it today and it just will not pick up a signal.
The ROM I used was the Vodafone one linked to from the Wiki list. (3.08.161.0) (Radio 1.64.08.21).
I have also tried Changing the Radio ROM to 1.65.17.10 but no difference.
It's set to Other NMEA device, 4800 baud and COM4 like it always was. I have run a QuickGPS download.
Strange thing is, when I go into the GPS config in TomTom I used have all the satellites listed in gray which would then turn blue when locked on but now they aren't listed at all.
Please help! I do have a bluetooth gps receiver from when I had my Hermes so I can get but part of the reason to get the Kaiser is so I have an all in one unit. I'm just in the middle of a hard reset to try again but does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? It's gone from being a brilliant GPS unit to a dodo!
Thanks!

Test if Google Maps finds some satelittes, just to check if there is a problem with TomTom
http://www.google.co.uk/mobile/gmm/stp-js.html
If that doesn't work, I'd reinstall the old ROM and see if the functionality returns and if it doesn't assume you have somehow broken the GPS.

funkygibbon said:
Hey guys, hope you can help.
Successfully updated my V1615 to WM6.1 on Friday.
Before I did this, I had TomTom installed which used to get a lock on to the satellites in less than 30 seconds.
I used the device with TomTom on Saturday and after an initial delay of locking on (which I assumed normal as it was a fresh install) it worked.
However trying to use it today and it just will not pick up a signal.
The ROM I used was the Vodafone one linked to from the Wiki list. (3.08.161.0) (Radio 1.64.08.21).
I have also tried Changing the Radio ROM to 1.65.17.10 but no difference.
It's set to Other NMEA device, 4800 baud and COM4 like it always was. I have run a QuickGPS download.
Strange thing is, when I go into the GPS config in TomTom I used have all the satellites listed in gray which would then turn blue when locked on but now they aren't listed at all.
Please help! I do have a bluetooth gps receiver from when I had my Hermes so I can get but part of the reason to get the Kaiser is so I have an all in one unit. I'm just in the middle of a hard reset to try again but does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? It's gone from being a brilliant GPS unit to a dodo!
Thanks!
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wow you picked the wrong radio to change too. You should have read about it before changing to 1.65.17.10. You should do some research on what you did to yourself.

redbandana said:
wow you picked the wrong radio to change too. You should have read about it before changing to 1.65.17.10. You should do some research on what you did to yourself.
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Well he already said 1.64 didn't work either. Maybe you should read what's written.

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Well he already said 1.64 didn't work either. Maybe you should read what's written.
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Maybe you should read the thread that redbandana is talking about... maybe the bit about it being locked to your phone and you can't downgrade it... not really a good choice 'cos he's now stuck with that radio and also maybe stuck with WM6.1 (which also sucks - WM6.0 faster and more stable imho).

I had to do a hard reset and reinstall apps. TomTom no longer works. LiveSearch does RunGPS does. Neither TomTom or GPSTest can find the GPS. Any suggestions? When you choose other NMEA device in TomTom options are Serial on USB and COM7: that's it.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Well, it works now! I used to be able to get a lock on indoors, but now I can't. However if I go outside I cado get a lock on in TomTom. It seems like the GPS is now less sensitive, but hey, it works aand that's the main thing.
I'll do a search later but does anyone have a link to the thread regarding this dodgy radio. I did try and downgrade it but as you say, it didn't. I have some more coming in this week anyway so I can give this to someone who doesn't need/want GPS and I'll have the shiny new one. Ah the joys of working in IT!
Oh, and thanks to IK for the Google Maps link, brilliant app! I'd seen it on the PC but not pocket PC.

FWIW, my Tomtom uses the "Internal GPS" setting, not "other NMEA device"
Robert

funkygibbon said:
Well, it works now! I used to be able to get a lock on indoors, but now I can't. However if I go outside I cado get a lock on in TomTom. It seems like the GPS is now less sensitive, but hey, it works aand that's the main thing.
I'll do a search later but does anyone have a link to the thread regarding this dodgy radio. I did try and downgrade it but as you say, it didn't. I have some more coming in this week anyway so I can give this to someone who doesn't need/want GPS and I'll have the shiny new one. Ah the joys of working in IT!
Oh, and thanks to IK for the Google Maps link, brilliant app! I'd seen it on the PC but not pocket PC.
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This is the link for the 'dodgy radio'. It looks like it is also an AT&T only radio.

Thanks ach2. Did a search and have spent all morning readin it!
I'm now having issues with the actual phone operation, intermitant no sound or buzzing.
I think I'm going to take a chance and return it to Vodafone. They do a next day swap under our corporate contract.
If there is any comeback I'll just plead ignorance!

Satrted to have the buzzing earpiece and broken camera issue with this radio, so it's gone back to Vodafone as faulty! Replacement is currently still on stock Vodafone WM6.0 ROM. To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!

funkygibbon said:
Satrted to have the buzzing earpiece and broken camera issue with this radio, so it's gone back to Vodafone as faulty! Replacement is currently still on stock Vodafone WM6.0 ROM. To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!
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If you're sticking to WM6.0 (i do too) try Q-mobile 1.2 with radio 1.27.12.17 or 1.27.12.32 - they both work well in the UK.

funkygibbon said:
To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!
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My friend, you need this (Vodafone WM 6.1 pre release) and use it with this Niki 1.58.11.07 Radio.
Been running this for a few days and basically I've changed my opinion on my V1615 from wanting to sell to now enjoying using it.
Highlights include 30 - 55 second GPS fix in TomTom, much much better speaker phone and better call quality.
Try these out and I'm sure you'll agree.

Thanks guys, maybe I'll try them over the weekend.
Actually, that Vodafone 6.1 ROM is the one I tried and to be honest I didn't see much difference between that and the stock 6.0 one.
As long as I'm outside I get a lock on in TomTom in about 15 seconds which is good enough for me. On my old one that I bricked I was sure I used to get a signal inside as well.
I'm just looking at the Wiki for the Q-mobile one.
Thanks again for the help, suggestions and info. This is what makes the internet great! Complete strangers helping each other out.

funkygibbon said:
Thanks guys, maybe I'll try them over the weekend.
Actually, that Vodafone 6.1 ROM is the one I tried and to be honest I didn't see much difference between that and the stock 6.0 one.
As long as I'm outside I get a lock on in TomTom in about 15 seconds which is good enough for me. On my old one that I bricked I was sure I used to get a signal inside as well.
I'm just looking at the Wiki for the Q-mobile one.
Thanks again for the help, suggestions and info. This is what makes the internet great! Complete strangers helping each other out.
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Do you not experience the key lock bug in WM 6? Was one of the main reasons why I upgraded to 6.1.

-IK- said:
Do you not experience the key lock bug in WM 6? Was one of the main reasons why I upgraded to 6.1.
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What's that? Is that the one where you press end call to end a call and sometimes it locks your touch screen? If so yes, but not very often.

Yeah something to do with when you set your device with a password and it goes into sleep mode during a call and then you wake it up and the start menu stops working.

*Hopeless* GPS after 6.1 Update?

I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?

Boinng said:
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Usually, I've found the GPS lock time is Radio Based. Maybe try a different Radio.

Boinng said:
I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. snip...
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The only thing that is going to get me off the DEATH V3.5 ROM is a newer Rom by this same person.
The GPS is the best that I have ever had...
The phone signal is the best that I have ever had...
The GPS lock is about 30 seconds after TomTom starts...
The battery life is phenomenal - (it takes about 24 hours for the phone meter to register correctly) but I had 79 percent battery life left after using the phone all day yesterday at 11 pm last night (unplugged it at 6 AM).
Obviously - your carrier, your radio and ROM and where you are in the world can affect your signal greatly - but at this point - for me - the DEATH V3.5 ROM and radio rock and will stay on this phone as I LOVE having no phone issues.
HTH
Bill

Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"

I have never looked at the official HTC ROM for comparison but I had the same thing after updating to certain ROM (non-official) the only way around it I found (other than replacing the phone) is another radio. Its not a problem with the ROM at all my good man just replace the radio and you should see a quicker lock time
I use radio 1.64.08.21 ang get a lock after approx 10-15 secs

Well If you are going to be snippy about it. Never mind. Forget I tried to help.
Though You may be hard pressed to find someone who is using the Stock ROM, I believe most people are wooed by the magic of Leo26, ConfusedStu, dutty, and the other Chefs out there.

So you wouldn't say that quoting my post back to me as "...snip snippity snip snip..." was being "snippy" in the first place?
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I'm just interested in whether this is a common problem or not. I know GPS performance varies between radios, but with this new ROM & radio the difference is pretty shocking, and given that HTC are expecting the whole world to have installed it, I was surprised nobody else seemed to have noticed. You're probably right, nobody here kept it for long enough to find out apart from me, but I like my phone to be "stock". I guess this is my reward.
The answer probably is to try another radio, but it's a funny old situation.

Boinng said:
Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"
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I'm using the new (WM6.1) stock ROM from HTC on my Tytn-II and haven't had any issues with GPS lock. I would say less than 30 seconds assumming it has a clear view of a good percentage of the sky. Fix time is the same whether I use TomTom, GPS Tuner, or the HTC-GPS Tool.
Ofcourse if I try and start-up GPS while indoors or in an area where buildings block more than 50% of the sky then the fix time can be much longer.

Boinng said:
I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?
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I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.

Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.

kavi said:
I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.
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I'm on the stock SPL - my phone is Vodafone branded so I was originally using Hard SPL (with which I flashed the original stock HTC Rom) and then flashed the HTC 3.28 SPL after I found I had freezing issues with the 6.1 update. Haven't touched the new Hard 3.28, but from what you say it's obviously not going to help. I did wonder if the mystery fix in the 3.29 SPL might have something to do with the GPS, but if it's working fine for you on 3.28 who knows.

ardsar said:
Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.
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That's how it looks to me too - looking at the signal levels in GPS Test etc, it's not obviously a problem with the radio performance itself, which makes me doubt that changing the radio will actually help (while it will no doubt screw something else up).

I was just browsing through an interesting thread here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=292178 - on how Quick GPS works (or didn't work for a while) on the Artemis. There's some interesting stuff there about how all this is supposed to work.
I'm really suspecting that Quick GPS is broken in some way in the latest ROM. If it were working, then the phone should always have the almanac data and this should be visible in the settings screens in Tom Tom and other gps progs as satellites it's expecting to be there, but for me - unless I've had a very recent lock - it's always blank. In other words, the data isn't there, regardless of what Quick GPS is saying.
And a good question would be - where should the data be? Quick GPS itself is stored in the \windows folder, but there's no sign of the "packedephemeris.ee" file mentioned in the Artemis thread. Does anyone know where we should be able to find it on the Kaiser?
Another question is what server(s) should Quick GPS be downloading from - in my non-functioning Quick GPS, the settings in the registry are as follows:
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\0\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\1\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\0\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\1\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\0\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\1\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
The three servers (xtra1, xtra2, etc) are also listed under HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\SNTP as Server 1, Server 2, Server 3 - does anyone see anything different on there working model?

Im having the same problem,
Running Dutty's 6.1 Dual rom. Once the ROM had installed I noticed that QuickGPS didn't work straight off the bat. I suffered long GPS lock wait times. I found a QuickGPS cab file which fixed QuickGPS but my lock times don't seem to have improved. Via GPSTest I get 3-4 within sight straight away, but they sit on red for ages perhaps a few more satellites with appear but again they'll all sit on red. until about 15 mins passes, then finally a fix.
Im sure my GPS responded quicker than that in previous ROM's. at the moment its not really effecting me and im really not going to go through another ROM change again to test.
Im already on radio 1.64.08.21 which is supposed to be the best out there. tut.
no idea about hard spl and all that business, not really sure what y'going on about.
Would also like to find a fix for this, as i've tried a few different methods of fixing with no luck.

So it's not the radio, which ties in with my hunch that this is more to do with Quick GPS. But my Quick GPS registry settings match those I've found elsewhere, and I've found the data - it's an "xtra.bin" file in the Windows folder, which also matches reports from working installs. And I'm having no problem with the whole downloading process, that's happening in the background (through Activesync) just as it always was.
So is there something in the actual Rom (and presumably the base rom used by Dutty) which isn't picking up that data when utlising GPS?

Well I think I read a few posts on Dutty's Dual ROM thread about QuickGPS not working straight off, but its a long thread to plow through to find out. S its entirely possible there's a good reason.
Hmmm

well I proved to myself im not inherently lazy I did a bit of searching around and found this little gem of a thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375172
it suggested that QuickGPS has a region setting in the registry
low and behold I checked my
HKLM\Software\HTC\QuickGPS\region
and it was set to US,
I changed this to say UK, I've not tested this but I think this might make a difference. I'll let you know whenI get the chance to play around on the way home from work. I usually try and get a fix on the 15 minute walk to my bus and dont get any fix at all, If all goes fine I'll be watching myself in Igo8 on the way home. Sad.

Hmm, fingers crossed for you, I just checked and mine it's showing "GB" though. So maybe your's should be GB (although that's not working too well for me) or maybe mine's wrong, and should be UK?

well I just popped outside for a quick test and Corblimey guvenor if Im not getting a fix in about 20 seconds.
Which is excellent to say the least since i was sat under a canopy of trees at the time and its grim as normal up't'north.
Id switch yours to UK, I didnt really think to try GB, but If its not working for you right now, I'd suggest trying UK.

I changed it to UK, soft reset, tried Tom Tom, no change. I then checked the registry and it had switched back to GB, so I changed it again, closed and reopened Quick GPS and redownloaded, back to Tom Tom again and.. no change. I don't think it's going to do it for me, maybe we have two different problems here..

hey WM6.1 GPS users...

what have you done about your crippled GPS? flash a few radios and then bare with the horrible fix times, or have you actually found a way to fix this? I wanna know how many people on this forum put up with crippled GPS.
I personally chose the option of putting up with the crippled GPS, ive tried to fix it but haven't found anything. Assisted GPS freezes so i have to leave it turned off. Today when i actually needed it and realized it took more than 5 minutes to get a fix, that really annoyed me..

not sure how i rank with those 2 options but i just keep my quickgps updated and then run GPStest get a fix before then start igo8 and fix time havent been too bad...been using the radio in my sig
edit: i have agps turned off via advancedconfig

bapssystupr3m3 said:
not sure how i rank with those 2 options but i just keep my quickgps updated and then run GPStest get a fix before then start igo8 and fix time havent been too bad...been using the radio in my sig
edit: i have agps turned off via advancedconfig
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hm...but even then that would be considered "crippled" gps. you still need to jump through hoops just to get it to work right. and you have to have the right radio...i remember when there was no wm6.1, no matter what i would flash to, i never had to switch radios, my gps just connected instantly. no jumping through hoops.
i would say your option is that you "put up with your crippled GPS" but that is just my opinion.

One of the lucky guys i guess... No problems with GPS after the 6.1 update. I use a stock ROM and Radio (in my sig) and i use Destinator 7 for GPS. Takes me about 2 mins to get a fix and GPS runs smoothly. QuickGPS get updated when i connect via USB...

dont use GPS on my TYTN II, i have a standard Kaiser for that

Well
My GPS is going fine from the start till now. I've flashed many roms and many many radios. My GPS was working everytime with various things. I get a fix in 1-2 minutes. 3 is really max awaiting time. I'm using A-GPS without any problems.
ROM&Radio as in my signature.
Cheers,
Chris

Hey guys, 1-2 or 3 minutes is not considered as quick gps fix Have in mind that gps fix was about 15-20 seconds in WM6 roms

zalaros said:
Hey guys, 1-2 or 3 minutes is not considered as quick gps fix Have in mind that gps fix was about 15-20 seconds in WM6 roms
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I must try it today once again after soft reset, and i will post my results as i get back to home. But its quite good for me.

I get a fix in about 90 seconds using TomTom or iNav. But if I use GPS Test, then the fix time drops to like 30 seconds.
I'm currently running Death v4.1 and the 1.58.25.27 Niki radio.

alright, ive made the test.
42 seconds in GPSTest, 59 in my AutoMap5 and 62 in GarminMobileXt. posting from Kaiser outdoors.
Cheers,
Chris

Rom: Hyperdragon IIIs
Radio: 1.65.20.29
QuickGPS regularly updates
AGPS turned on
GPSTest fixes in about 30 seconds
Tomtom 7 fixes in about 45 seconds; instant if GPSTest was started first
so... no, I don't feel my gps is crippled at all.

If 'attempted to fix it' includes emailing HTC (and only getting the automated response saying they received the message) and phoning HTC twice about it, I guess I fit into the second group. I've not strayed from HTC supplied firmware at any stage and don't want to. It's their responsibility to fix it, not mine and if they can't they should get Qualcom to update the chipset drivers/radio for them to fix it.

I wasn't happy with my sync time in 6.1 with the radio that I had (i.64.xx.xx) and i just flashed 1.58.25.17 on my phone and it synced in 1:30-2 mins fro ma cold start outside (needed a reason to walk away from the cube). good enough for me.
Mass/AT&T/Death 4.1

2-3 minutes doesnt seem like a good time to me...especially when there was once a time it could get a fix within 5-25 seconds.
I have heard good things about the stock roms, and i ALMOST upgraded to it, but then i remember they aren't as fast as some of our cooked roms here on the forum, and the fact that stock roms are loaded with a bunch of crap and have less memory.

I'm gonna knock on wood before and after I type this:
*knock on wood*
Since using Tomtom v7 extracted from Diamond, my Tilt has not disappointed me with initial GPS fix.
*knock on wood*

the problems people are experiencing and the seeming lack of issues for other people with the same ROMS must have something to do with the Kaiser variants people are using. I can think of no other reason why I can have the same ROM, radio and SPL as someone else and yet cannot get a fix, while they can. I have an Orange branded TyTn 2 from the UK. I am currently using the Dutty Diamond V1, hard spl 3.29 and the 1.65 radio that comes with the diamond ROM. I believe my Kaiser model number is KAI130. Does anyone else have the same model and ROM etc as me and is able to get a fix?
Ive tried 5 different ROMs and umpteen radio, disabling and enabling A-gps - even installing different quick GPS cabs. No luck.
I never had any problems like this on my N95, and everyone criticise its GPS!

hi,
i use now last updated htc rom in french (wm6.1) with tomtom 6.0 and quickgps V1.0 from htc.
Effectively, it takes now more time (1..3 minutes) than before (few seconds, under wm6.0) to get a fix, but it works has before.
Seem that the fix takes now much more time...
May be you are right, wm6.1 has somthing to do wuth t is problem.
Best regards,
Laurent

McGuider GPS
This program picks up signal in under 15 secs

leoni1980 said:
the problems people are experiencing and the seeming lack of issues for other people with the same ROMS must have something to do with the Kaiser variants people are using. I can think of no other reason why I can have the same ROM, radio and SPL as someone else and yet cannot get a fix, while they can. I have an Orange branded TyTn 2 from the UK. I am currently using the Dutty Diamond V1, hard spl 3.29 and the 1.65 radio that comes with the diamond ROM. I believe my Kaiser model number is KAI130. Does anyone else have the same model and ROM etc as me and is able to get a fix?
Ive tried 5 different ROMs and umpteen radio, disabling and enabling A-gps - even installing different quick GPS cabs. No luck.
I never had any problems like this on my N95, and everyone criticise its GPS!
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I have an AT&T Tilt, I live in the US.
I'm using Radio 1.64.06.04
Im using Dutty's WM6.1 4/29 Rom
I have the Qualcomm 7200 chip (not 7201)
My Kaiser's Model Number is KAIS160.
Now that i think about it, i cant confirm this kaiser ever had a good GPS fix, being that this is my 2nd kaiser, my first one broke, and this one is the free replacement. hm...
The poll results are really surprising me, at least half the people's GPS is fine for them. I would upgrade to anything newer than dutty's 4/29 but most diamond builds dont support direct draw, i cant play quake, quake 2, or duke nukem. most other games or apps that use direct draw don't work either. i still have to try hyperdragon 6/24 build and L26_Kaiser Diamond 6/25. Does anyone know if GPS AND direct draw are working on these roms?

Indeed I miss the fast fixes from 6.0 ROMs. Within 20 seconds I would already have a fix from a cold start. Now it takes up to 3 minutes, its reaaally annoying. In fact, I also found it strange that half of the people here were not complaining about their GPS's. More than once I needed those fast fixes and had to wait for 2 minutes or so, and had to stop at dangerous eek:) places waiting for it. I tried different solutions but none of them seemed to work. And I really don't feel like going back to 6.0 ROMs so..

How Can I get GPS to work on my Tilt???

Ever since I flashed Dutty's diamond v9 GPS has been useless.
I've tried HTC GPS Tool and GPS test.....but they're not helping me.
GPS won't work in either google maps or Live Search.

klrob33 said:
Ever since I flashed Dutty's diamond v9 GPS has been useless.
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I don't believe Dutty Made it past v1 on the Diamond, LEO made a V9
klrob33 said:
I've tried HTC GPS Tool and GPS test.....but they're not helping me.
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How long are you waiting? Sometimes it takes 30 minutes for me to get a fix. But if I start one of those programs then drive home, I get a fix faster.
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GPS won't work in either google maps or Live Search.
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Yeah, wait for it to get a lock in the other test programs, before trying to use the full blown Nav softwares.

Yeah. My mistake it's V1.
The most I've waited is 10/15 minutes. But It's really not even worth it for me to do that since that nullifies the convenience of having a phone with GPS.
Plus, how can I be sure that my phone has a GPS lock?

satellites will turn green if you are using htc_gps_tool
In addition, you should download the latest updates with quickgps as well before running those tools. I usually have to download quickgps, open gps tool with the appropriate settings, open tomtom then close tomtom, download quickgps again, open gps tool with appropriate settings again, then open tomtom to get a fix less than 5 seconds on a cold start. I got it down to a T.

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satellites will turn green if you are using htc_gps_tool
In addition, you should download the latest updates with quickgps as well before running those tools. I usually have to download quickgps, open gps tool with the appropriate settings, open tomtom then close tomtom, download quickgps again, open gps tool with appropriate settings again, then open tomtom to get a fix less than 5 seconds on a cold start. I got it down to a T.
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What's the difference between cold, warm, and hot start in GPS Tool?

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What's the difference between cold, warm, and hot start in GPS Tool?
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no idea but I always start mine with com4 baud 4800 hot start

oh yeah forgot to tell you. If you are using gps tool do not hit the x button before you open your gps software because the program closes rather than minimizes, which defeats the purpose of using it to begin with.

I tried all those things.
I let GPS Tool run for about an hour and still never got a fix. Thanks for your help though.
If I go back to 6.0 would it work again?

let it run for a few minutes then open your gps software without closing gps tool. I don't think I can get a fix either without gps software being open.

klrob33 said:
I tried all those things.
I let GPS Tool run for about an hour and still never got a fix. Thanks for your help though.
If I go back to 6.0 would it work again?
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Bear in mind, GPS is an acronym for "Global positioning satellite" Key word there being SATELLITE, are you even going out side to try to get a signal? See, if you're in a big building, full of lead paint, there's no way to get a signal through that, try doing it again outside, in an open field, on a sunny day, and see if you have a different result.

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Bear in mind, GPS is an acronym for "Global positioning satellite" Key word there being SATELLITE, are you even going out side to try to get a signal? See, if you're in a big building, full of lead paint, there's no way to get a signal through that, try doing it again outside, in an open field, on a sunny day, and see if you have a different result.
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Yeah. I'm not stupid. I know how it works.
If I can't get a fix sitting in my car then there's really no point. I only use it for driving directions.
This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.

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Yeah. I'm not stupid. I know how it works.
If I can't get a fix sitting in my car then there's really no point. I only use it for driving directions.
This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.
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I really don't understand why you cannot get a fix using 6.1 roms. I offered all the advice I could give you. You said you use google maps, correct? If I open google maps on my device without gps being on It can still read my current position. This is just extremely odd...

klrob33 said:
Yeah. I'm not stupid. I know how it works.
If I can't get a fix sitting in my car then there's really no point. I only use it for driving directions.
This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.
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Why are you blaming HTC for this? You're not running an HTC ROM or even an AT&T ROM, you're running a ROM cooked up by somebody else and then blaming the manufacturer of the hardware for it. There are lot's of people with fully functional GPS on the Tilt.
You can go to the iPhone if you want, but keep in mind that there aren't any programs yet for the iPhone that give you turn by turn directions. You might have to wait a while for that brand spankin new iPhone to be able to use its GPS.

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This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.
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I have a TILT - You can see the ROM I am running in my signature line. I get a fix in less than a minute and use the TOMTOM ALL the time.
The ONLY problem I have on this ROM is that I have to push the power button twice to get the screen to come on. Other than that - EVERYTHING else works a treat.
Get the iphone if you want - but there are MANY things that it cannot do that you may miss.
Bill

klrob33 said:
Ever since I flashed Dutty's diamond v9 GPS has been useless.
I've tried HTC GPS Tool and GPS test.....but they're not helping me.
GPS won't work in either google maps or Live Search.
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What redio version are you using?
I've been running Dutty's Diamond V1 for about a week now and the GPS works for me. Depending on the radio your using it may take several minutes to get a GPS fix, but it does work for me and others.
I just flashed Radio 1.65.24.36 ( found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398177 ) and it takes several minutes to get a fix the first time after a soft reset, but after that it get a fix very fast.
Good luck... Let us know how it works our for you.

T-Mobile wm6.1 Update GPS

Hi,
I updated my Kaiser using the official T-Mobile upgrade (German) to WM 6.1. Since then, my GPS is very slow to aquire a first fix. When it's up and running, performance is fine, but time-to-first-fix is three to five minutes, sometimes longer.
This even happens when I exit the GPS program, wait a while, then start it again - TTFF will again be more than three minutes.
QuickGPS is running and reporting its data as current. However, the GPS still appears to "cold start" every time, not even remembering its own previous data. With the previous WM 6.0 startup times were fine while clearly dependand on the actuality of QuickGPS data.
Has anybody else observed this behaviour, and is there a tweak to cure it?
Regs,
150d

Just have a quick search for WM6.1 and GPS. Early 6.1 ROMs had very poor GPS performance, there's a huge thread about it. Maybe your T-Mob ROM is one of them. The ultimate solution is switching to a ROM based on a newer build, custom ROMs are all fine by now.

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Just have a quick search for WM6.1 and GPS.
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Did you try that? Just enter anything plus "6.1" and there will be zero results. On the other hand, enter "T-Mobile upgrade GPS" and there will be about 300 pages of results, few of which will even contain the word "T-Mobile".
Either the search function doesn't work or it just doesn't like me.
Early 6.1 ROMs had very poor GPS performance, there's a huge thread about it.
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Could you give me a pointer, please?
The ultimate solution is switching to a ROM based on a newer build, custom ROMs are all fine by now.
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Problem is that I don't want to use a non-official ROM just yet. Additionally, I'm not that keen on doing the installing bit all over again just yet, so I was hoping there was a simpler solution. ;-)
Regs,
150d

150d said:
Did you try that? Just enter anything plus "6.1" and there will be zero results. On the other hand, enter "T-Mobile upgrade GPS" and there will be about 300 pages of results, few of which will even contain the word "T-Mobile".
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OK then, open wide for the train going into the tunnel: [Spoon Feeding Mode]*Hopeless* GPS after 6.1 Update?[/Spoon Feeding Mode]
Problem is that I don't want to use a non-official ROM just yet. Additionally, I'm not that keen on doing the installing bit all over again just yet, so I was hoping there was a simpler solution. ;-)
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There is.... leave it on Windows Mobile 6.0 Even the very latest HTC Official TyTN II ROMs for the European and Asian markets have hopeless GPS here in the UK when compared to the one in my sig. I've not tried any custom or operator provided ROMs so cant comment there. I think the first step should be complaining to T-Mobile that their their latest and greatest ROM upgrade actually broke your GPS and asking them for a solution (if you don't have the original ROM/ability to revert it yourself). If they claim to not know anything about this issue, you can tell them how you found out that it's a common problem.