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I am so sick of everybody making Iphone icons and themes and all this bull**** for their kaisers. If you want a ****ing Iphone, go buy one. Otherwise, don't deface your iphone-superior Windows mobile phone with all this gay super-mario-looking jellybean rainbow macintosh ****. Iphones suck balls. Macintosh sucks balls. It's like buying a Ford F-650 and trying to make it look like a volkswagen jetta. Be proud of your windows mobile device people. Instead of infesting your phone, and our forums with all this glittery, trendy, crap, just go buy a ****** phone and go hang out at some other forum. ****, go hang out at starbucks, I'm sure there's about 100 douchebags crammed in there right now who'd love to go make gay buttlove with you. Damn, that felt good. I could go off on this all night. I'm gonna try to get some anti-mac stickers printed out to put on the back of my kaiser. If anyone else wants to rock one hit me up. If enough people are interested I'll get a bunch printed. Here's what I was thinkin:
Horray for super-mario-looking jellybean rainbow macintosh ****!!!
EDIT: But to add something useful...
The iPhone UI is very unique, combined with the ease and 'hackability' of Windows Mobile 6 IT SHALL MAKE THE GREATEST PHONE EVER!!!!
Catch my drift?
Plus, no-one is forcing you to use it, simply give the noob a link and PM a mod to delete the topic.
No need for a rant.
You do have a short temper do you?
EDIT II: For got to add the clincher!
Your avatar suits you
That is great and i feel the same way. Minues all of the gay love and harsh words but exactly what i was thinking in a way. I do like my tilt the way it is but i dont mind making it custom to my likings. The stickers though are a greaat idea. I think they could become a hot item.
I can't tell you how many people have seen my Tilt and said
"Is that an iPhone?"
No, it's a Windows Pocket Pc.
"Huh?"
Apple did a great job advertising and promoting their product. I rarely see ads for high-end pocket pc phones. It's annoying how iPhone users act smug thinkin their device is "sooo superior" and "sooo chic". Blow me
thedocrn said:
I can't tell you how many people have seen my Tilt and said
"Is that an iPhone?"
No, it's a Windows Pocket Pc.
"Huh?"
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Ditto, but I simply show them the sliding keybaord and i have to fight all the ladies off!
thedocrn said:
I can't tell you how many people have seen my Tilt and said
"Is that an iPhone?"
No, it's a Windows Pocket Pc.
"Huh?"
Apple did a great job advertising and promoting their product. I rarely see ads for high-end pocket pc phones. It's annoying how iPhone users act smug thinkin their device is "sooo superior" and "sooo chic". Blow me
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for sure ... i just ask them " hows texting on your phone"...http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2007/11/14/iphone-keys--stink
minus the video
Sorry for the harsh words, I tried without them at first, but was not satisfied with the results
tyeo098 said:
Ditto, but I simply show them the sliding keybaord and i have to fight all the ladies off!
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It's all about the magic fingers!
One thing though, I wish the kaiser was cap-touch instead of resitive touch screen, i dont like the plastic and I prefer the glass screen of the iPhone (even though I dont own one)
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One thing though, I wish the kaiser was cap-touch instead of resitive touch screen, i dont like the plastic and I prefer the glass screen of the iPhone (even though I dont own one)
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wuts cap touch instead of resitive
Ditto, but I simply show them the sliding keybaord and i have to fight all the ladies off!
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for sure. they just think its like a sidekick and are all over it. but then get all confused when they are able to touch the screen and cant manage their way around it w/o a scrolly ball and 4 buttons to get around the whole phone
Capacitive touch (like the iphone) uses the bodys natural capacitance (ability to store electricity) to detect when a finger is placed on the screen and where, determined by capacitive touch sensors.
Resistive touch is based on a series of many MANY resistors under the screen, in a matrix form (not Neo...) and when you touch the screen, a resistor goes low (no resistance) which tells the TS (touch screen) controller to tell the processor (Qual7200) that a finger has been placed at x,y with 0,0 being the upper lefthand portion of the screen.
o and its resistive, I cant spell
tyeo098 said:
Capacitive touch (like the iphone) uses the bodys natural capacitance (ability to store electricity) to detect when a finger is placed on the screen and where, determined by capacitive touch sensors.
Resistive touch is based on a series of many MANY resistors under the screen, in a matrix form (not Neo...) and when you touch the screen, a resistor goes low (no resistance) which tells the TS (touch screen) controller to tell the processor (Qual7200) that a finger has been placed at x,y with 0,0 being the upper lefthand portion of the screen.
o and its resistive, I cant spell
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Isn't the iPhone's touch screen patented under their "Multi-Touch" technology?
phan10m said:
for sure. they just think its like a sidekick
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Dont ever, EVER compare the Fuhrer Kaiser to the ****ty T-Mobile Sidekick.
Not now not EVER!!!!
My ex's brother has a sidekick, lets just say that the only way you could do ANYTHING cool/useful with it is to hack paris-****ing-hiltons account.
Otherwise... its useless.
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Isn't the iPhone's touch screen patented under their "Multi-Touch" technology?
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Multi-touch isnt a patent, its a STDIO (standard input-output device)
You can even make one, a BIG one, (if you have a projector and some time, with like 50 extra dollars to spare, build one!
Check forums.nuigroup.com
)
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Dont ever, EVER compare the Fuhrer Kaiser to the ****ty T-Mobile Sidekick.
Not now not EVER!!!!
My ex's brother has a sidekick, lets just say that the only way you could do ANYTHING cool/useful with it is to hack paris-****ing-hiltons account.
Otherwise... its useless.
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they just think its like a sidekick
think didnt say it was and i didnt say it was they think its like a sidekick. I know its a better device than that POS by far. Chill.
Me Too
I feel pretty much the same way...I think the I in IPhone stands for idiot....Yeah an Idiot phone. Anyway, but the IPhone UI is pretty slick and Microsoft has not been innovative with the today screen for 7 or so years. Point UI does a good job of not looking like an iphone and making it feel more like where MS should have had it by at least WM6. No love for the idiot phone here. Symbian before Iphone anyday.
Dont they teach you guys anything in school?
I mean c'mon im only 16 yet ive outsmarted my dad who is an electrical engineer with Cisco!
But that doesnt explain why you'all are so out of it...
There is always a place where you can find everything
If not, theres here, which has everything else
Now can someone be so kind as to pont me a iPhone UI?
Plaes? Im serious, I want it!
Anyone? A link?
Swurve? Hello?
sWuRv said:
I'm gonna try to get some anti-mac stickers printed out to put on the back of my kaiser. If anyone else wants to rock one hit me up. If enough people are interested I'll get a bunch printed. Here's what I was thinkin:
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I want two. One for my phone, one for my car. Three! One for my computer. Shoot - put me down for a roll of 100 - I'll have a heyday.
Not sure if this is old news. The Sony Xperia X1 was displayed today. The video acceleration is the same as my un-modded Tilt. Here is a video link and approx 3:30 into the video you need to pay attention. Watch how long it takes after the qwerty keyboard is exposed for the video display to draw to landscape. It also seems as this device is a resistance display and not capacitance. I was under the impression that there were video drivers being used on this device. however the overall design is well thought out, and the GUI, as far as the pannels go, are nice. But overall i think i will just stick with my tilt.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q9C3zUJIi1k
of course, it's made by HTC. What did you expect.
Or perhaps it a April Fool's joke...er.
I'l still be buying one.
SH4YD33 said:
I'l still be buying one.
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Me too.
Also, you have to remember it is still pre-production. The drivers prolly haven't been implemented.
my95z34 said:
Me too.
Also, you have to remember it is still pre-production. The drivers prolly haven't been implemented.
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I'm not falling for that one again.
*looks at his crippled tilt on the desk*
I need to see some real world, real user benchmarks before any phone company sees another dime of my money.
Yeah, I guess that is true, lol.
i'm still down for an x1 whether it fixes the issue or not
cp_kirkley said:
I'm not falling for that one again.
*looks at his crippled tilt on the desk*
I need to see some real world, real user benchmarks before any phone company sees another dime of my money.
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Ditto
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Fish panel
Am I the only one that really likes the fish panel? I wish we can have that for our tilt
The fish pannel.
when she touches it does it seem like it has the Touch bug? i cant really tell.
Sorry guys, we've already got several xperia threads floating around that could have been used.
Mike
Just saw this on Engadget, and figured everyone here will be interested in this. A swiss company made a user interface for all WM devices that emulates the look and feel of the iPhone interface. This company also tried to add "multitouch-ish" functions to the WM devices by simulating multi touch features while displaying photos and web pages. .
Looks pretty cool so far and it has potential. The article states that it will be available for download in May.
Engadget article:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/video-iswish-puts-the-iphone-ui-on-any-windows-mobile-phone/
Video of interface:
http://www.flicksoftware.com/research/index_files/Page350.htm
I am currently using SPB Mobile Shell but am willing to check out all other UI apps out there and this one looks promising.
looks very good. hope this will commin soon for us
its best iphone copy i´ve ever see
cant wait it
Looks good actually. I'll be keeping a watch on them as well as here for a download.
iZoom looks promising as well, even if Swish isn't available when Zoom is released.
This look sick , very sick. Ive never seen any iphone clone this much fluidy
Looks cool; see here http://www.flicksoftware.com/research/index_files/Page350.htm for details about joining the beta....
this looks cool, got myself on the beta when i saw the engadet post
hmm..reminds me of the Freestyl application that I really didnt like. Hopefully this one is much better. Going to try it out.
Update 03/May/2008:
We would like to thank everyone for their support and for Joining our Beta program. We have received over 2000 requests and we will be breaking them into 3 tiers with an increasing number of Beta tester in each one. The tier 1 will be selected late this week and will only be about 10 people, if things go well then late the following week we will expand to 100 and before months end over 1000.
Lastly to answer the number one question we have had, yes we do plan to start testing the iSwish development kit in the next 30 days. This will allow any designer to add iswish capabilities to their own windows mobile/PPC/CE applications. If you are a developer and interested in beta testing this please e-mail us at “[email protected]” with the subject “iSiwsh development environment Beta” and your company, name and current development environment.
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i hope this makes the light of day in a released piece of software!!
I'm in for at least trying it out. I'm a sucker for eye candy crap like this.
It looks like it enables dualtouch in WM?
New iZoom video for iSwish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOMJuuWePY
udgn said:
It looks like it enables dualtouch in WM?
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True with iZoom...dualtouch is now possible on a singletouch interface. Look at the youtube video just above my post...they even installed dualtouch on a 6yr old device.
I guess it's a kind of dualtouch, though it seems that one point has to remain fixed when in this mode. Still could be quite useful I'm sure.
Looks promising but overall I think the idea is silly - I would of just bought an iPhone
digitalninjas said:
Looks promising but overall I think the idea is silly - I would of just bought an iPhone
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ok so just by one then...
you will end up with no GPS, MMS, Video recording, Bluetooth, SD slot, 3G etc etc etc
you will have a phone with a nice screen...thats is...I like the iphone but I dont like the actual phone....feel me ?
Exactly. The iPhone is nice looking, smooth, sleek and shiny, the Kaiser is big heavy and some have said ugly. But compare the features. The iPhone is a million miles away.
I briefly considered the iPhone before I got my Kaiser and I made the right choice. The clincher for me was the commercialism surrounding the iPhone. Too many people have jumped on the bandwagon and it's just not that cool anymore. Personally I don't think it ever was - a phone for show-offs who just want to impress people. The Kaiser is different. It may not look the best and the WM interface may not be to everybody's liking. But it can be a SatNav or a GameBoy, a notepad or a Webcam. The possiblilities are almost endless. And if you really can't live without the iPhone's inteface, you don't have to look far to get something similar, or even better.
Anyway, off topic, but that's my rant. I feel better now...
Macedon2000 said:
ok so just by one then...
you will end up with no GPS, MMS, Video recording, Bluetooth, SD slot, 3G etc etc etc
you will have a phone with a nice screen...thats is...I like the iphone but I dont like the actual phone....feel me ?
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ah, I get where you're coming from.
<3
matmaneyre said:
Exactly. The iPhone is nice looking, smooth, sleek and shiny, the Kaiser is big heavy and some have said ugly. But compare the features. The iPhone is a million miles away.
I briefly considered the iPhone before I got my Kaiser and I made the right choice. The clincher for me was the commercialism surrounding the iPhone. Too many people have jumped on the bandwagon and it's just not that cool anymore. Personally I don't think it ever was - a phone for show-offs who just want to impress people. The Kaiser is different. It may not look the best and the WM interface may not be to everybody's liking. But it can be a SatNav or a GameBoy, a notepad or a Webcam. The possiblilities are almost endless. And if you really can't live without the iPhone's inteface, you don't have to look far to get something similar, or even better.
Anyway, off topic, but that's my rant. I feel better now...
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I agree completely, but after buying an iPhone and using it for a week or so, I really loved the interface. I love the screen and how easy it is to navigate through everything. The browser is ten times better than PIE, and although you can get Opera or Skyfire, on the 2.8" screen they are still really difficult to use. In the end I chose to keep my kaiser over the iphone because I couldn't get used to typing without a hardware keyboard, but in all honesty I really loved the iphone interface.
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Hello Beta Tester,
We will have an update for you later this week on iSwish, but I thought I would point you all to the new video one of our developers posted last night showcasing the iZoom in full multi-touch with an interesting twist at the end. There was a measure of disbelief in its authenticity, so we hope this clears that up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOMJuuWePY
Makes Windows Mobile look like it's from the dark ages:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-pre-in-depth-impressions-video-and-huge-hands-on-gallery/
I know! It looks amazing! Except the fact that it's stuck between qvga and vga :| Love the wireless charging though! The new OS looks sick! WM7 should be better than that or I'll hate M$ more than I do already.
Now that looks interesting! Going to have to keep an eye on this one...
The Pre looks amazing. It's small, looks great (especially the OS) AND has a physical keyboard. The only thing that's not so great is the screen resolution.
And I agree with the OP, it makes WM 6.1 look very outdated :/
dogans said:
The Pre looks amazing. It's small, looks great (especially the OS) AND has a physical keyboard. The only thing that's not so great is the screen resolution.
And I agree with the OP, it makes WM 6.1 look very outdated :/
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I think that Microsoft is begining to make the same mistake that Palm did, in allowing their OS to grow stagnant. Palm waited forever to finaly update the OS (is this a new Palm OS? I could be wrong), and MS seems to be doing the same in taking forever to get WM7 out.
Hopefully WM7 will be worth the wait like this new Palm phone seems to have been.
dogans said:
The Pre looks amazing. It's small, looks great (especially the OS) AND has a physical keyboard. The only thing that's not so great is the screen resolution.
And I agree with the OP, it makes WM 6.1 look very outdated :/
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The Palm CEO said this is only the first device to run this OS, so if it's success, I'd expected to see devices with higher resolution.
Windows Mobile 7 better be amazing!
...sigh...no GSM love for U.S. users...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/there-will-be-a-umts-palm-pre/
palm...
this is the first time in my life that I have looked at a palm and was actually shocked and blown away
now that is innovative
and for kicks I googled windows mobile 7 for CES and so far I have heard a lot about windows 7, but very little about its mobile equivalent. Not good microsoft
This blows any phone OS....have you seen the Task Manager...Genius ! They have turned something ordinary into a delight.
I think WM7 is going to take forever to come out.
pistonripper said:
This blows any phone OS....have you seen the Task Manager...Genius ! They have turned something ordinary into a delight.
I think WM7 is going to take forever to come out.
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I think they are drinking a lot of strong spirits over at Windows Mobile at the moment. The beauty is that palm are still tweaking it and it was so fast on the videos already.
I love how you close apps for good, you flick them off the top of the screen!
Joezhang said:
I love how you close apps for good, you flick them off the top of the screen!
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Next Level !
It has Exchange server support...MS Outlook Sync...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wo3SZ_20kZI
It's amazing
^^ Thanks for the link, great find!
I love WinMo, and have never been impressed by iPhone or Blackberry. Palm's new OS is a great balance between functionality and a delightful UI. Hell, it's not a balance, it's the best of both worlds!
Kudos to Palm. I finally see a smartphone I want since my Blue Angel flew away, and it's not an HTC phone.
Looks good but I hope it's easy to say port apps from android otherwise it's going to be a pita having 4 seperate operating systems on a mobile (android, wm, osx and now palm (again))
The nice thing too is it seems the whole thing is written in very simple coding language. With the very blank "desktop" location and the different possabilities of adding "toolbars" in and above the "Dock" we may have an OS that has the versitility for customization that Windows Mobile gives with the finger focused aesthetically pleasing UI of the iPhone and the focus on simplicity and intuitive use that the old Palm OS focused on.
my next phone
The UI is everything I wanted from a mobile phone platform; the actual hardware is everything I wanted in a mobile phone. It's nothing short of brilliant.
This is one of the best reviews of the Palm Web OS. Detailed descriptions on how the system workd on Palm's new Pre. They even have the official video form Palm's press event.
http://www.mytechwall.com/?p=171
very cool device,................
good phone ...bad timing....and maybe a little too late. If it has a ridiculous price tag on it then palm would have a really hard time selling these in this economy.
I found another video the explains alittle more about the OS. I like the part towards the end of the video.
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/159885/Why-Elevation-Partners-Invested-425M-in-Palm?tickers=PALM,RIMM,AAPL,^ixic
Well... This is a personal rant and I've already seen a lot of similar messages. It usually starts with an "my iPhone is better" and the answer always seems to be something along the lines of "ah, it sucks, our Touch Pro is way better, you'll be coming back crying", yadda-yadda-yadda. Here is my take - and I don't mean to offend anyone... I write this because I'm totally dissapointed with MY Touch Pro. Maybe you feel good about yours, it does whatever you needed/wanted, you simply love it.
iPhone is better. A heck of a lot better. I wish I had chose to buy one instead of this piece of crap that calls itself a "smartphone". Why? Well... I came to the world of Windows Mobile with a Tytn, a great all-round phone that had some problems but mostly did what it was supposed to do. The friendly guys and gals in this site managed to squeeze every ounce of life, speed, features and durability from it, making me totally love it. Custom ROMs made it faster and faster, added new and useful features... but... But then came "the new phones". Theoretically, they were faster, they had more memory, "they were better" in every single category. And Touch Pro was at the top, so, after lots of thought, loving its design and hating the fact I had to use an external GPS device with my Tytn, I splashed the cash and bought a brand new, shiny Touch Pro. More memory. More speed. Better screen. Better graphics. Better sound. Better GPS... NOT.
Even with custom ROMs, my Touch Pro crawls like a snail when compared with my Tytn. I mean it, and I tried more than 10 different ones (and I don't count different versions, but different cooks). The device simply seems unable to cope with its official interface, Touchflo 3D, whereas Manilla 2D ran screaming on the Tytn. Touch Pro has more Ram, theoretically making Opera usable. Goodbye ol' crashes of the Tytn, with Touch Pro I can finally browse the Internets happily! Or can I? Opera seems to totally suck compared to the iPhones Safari, and that doesn't come from an iPhone lover - I hate almost anything Apple ever created, including the iPhone. BUT... Whenever I'm with a friend of mine that has an iPhone, browsing the net through it is pure joy compared to the nightmare of Touch Pro. Appart from feeling more "fluid", iPhone is a lot faster when changing from portrait to landscape. Yeah, the online keyboard sucks, but so does the hardware keyboard of Touch pro compared to the one in my old Tytn (I know, "it's my opinion", never said it's a global rule).
The slow-as-hell problem applies to every single function or application in my Touch Pro. I'm with the afformentioned friend and we want to tweet something? Perfect. In ten seconds he's taken a snapshot in his iPhone, opened Twitter and posted a message, picture included. I'm still waiting for a Twitter app to load. We want to take some notes? He taps, writes, saves. In 5 secs. I'm taking out the stylus, for the interface buttons are too small for my fingers. I select Start>Utilities>Notes, wait for the Notes app to load, wait, wait, after it loads hunt the tiny "new" somewhere below the screen, wait for a new note to open, open the keyboard, wait for the screen to realign, type, wait for the characters to appear (and yes, I have applied the TX9 tweak but the keyboard is still painfully slow), save the note, close the keyboard, close the notes app, wait for the screen to realign. Ah, what a joy.
And the apps! Oh, those glorious apps! We have ten unusable RSS readers, 5 different commercial programs that try to improve our phones interface (each failing miserably in different ways), and... Well, that's it. We then have about 10 different calculators and stopwatches. And we call this, THIS, "a productivity device"? WTF can we do with this brick? What is it useful for? Taking photos? Even that is slow-as-hell compared with Tytn, after trying every-single-tweak. The subject of the photo has to be perfectly still, or else everything is blurry.
And the insult is that whenever I search for something new and useful for this brick, I find new fonts, new wallpapers, new manilla tweaks, some scripts or mini-apps that change the new WM6.5 chromes appearance! These are our "apps", when iPhone has new note-taking apps, new task managers, new VNC-like applications, emulators, games, anything... And yet we bash it as a kiddie phone and we hail out Touch Pro as a "serious" device. What's serious about a phone that cost me more than my wage (yeah, it costs -that- much in Greece where I live) and all that I can do with it is stare at slightly-different-colored-menues-than-the-default-ones? That's all there is to it?
Sorry for this, and sorry for coming out as an angry SOB, but I'm up to here with it. I'd really like somebody to come up and give me some advice or tips on how to make HTCs brick useful in some way, show me that I didn't actually throw my money away on a useless gadget. 'Cause I paid for an almighty device that in theory could do almost anything. It's as "smart" as my Tytn, it's slower than it in GPS and taking Pictures, there's no touch-friendly software for it (har-har, and it's called "Touch Pro", yeah, right)... WTF am I supossed to use it for? Paperweight?
I'm all ears people. Anyone wanting to tell me how they actually use their pricey device? Why you're happy with it and wouldn't change it for anything else? Does anyone -not- have the problems I have, and what did he do to avoid them? Am I totally wrong - and why?
Best regards
Ducklord
DAMN!!
What is the word or letter limit in XDA forums?
Our Touch Pro is way better, you'll be coming back crying, yadda-yadda-yadda.
See? See how disappointed I am? I'm mr. writesalot!
Best regards
Ducklord
Still love mines....iphone in my eyes is a childs toy just a bunch of flashy things to take your mind off what it lacks....Wow my iPhone can cook dinner for me with this app,but then again to MMS i have to pay another $600 to get a new model of the phone when I just bought a 3G 6 months ago.....and I get no warranty....Tell me how the iphone is better when everytime they add new things that should've been on the phone from the start you have to buy a new model to have?MMS,Video,Teethering
Honestly, you make a lot of good points.
I've had similar experiences with people using the iphone in the same ways. It may be nothing more than an "application launcher" but the applications actually do something useful, quickly.
I don't like the iphone. I don't like apple. As a matter of fact I actually hate both of them very much... but I see your point and I'm almost as fed up as you are.
I'm looking forward to hearing what people reply with.
The Microsoft store may alleviate some of this, hopefully, but I'm not holding my breath. My plan is to wait for the next generation of phones, see if HTC still screws everyone over with drivers or other ass-hattery, and make a decision then.
Incidentally I have a Jornada 568 from 2002 that runs emulated games as well as my Fuze, plays Mp3s without stuttering (while using an external keyboard to write short stories with), plays video without tearing, and has a standard headphone jack. If I could I would just stick a phone in it and use that instead.
hey ducklord, sorry to hear about ur misery. I own a touch pro, and i find it to be quite perfect.. perhaps with a good set of ROM. Why don't you try out EnergyROM magic (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530882)? It works like a charm for me...
Sparkz914 said:
Wow my iPhone can cook dinner for me with this app,but then again to MMS i have to pay another $600 to get a new model of the phone when I just bought a 3G 6 months ago
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From what the afformentioned friend told me, "no-mms" is a problem of AT&T or some other provider that offers the iPhone in the States. To prove it, he sent me an MMS "giving me the finger". He's on Cosmote (Greek Provider), and uses a totally un-tweaked, locked, out-of-the-box iPhone.
Sparkz914 said:
.....and I get no warranty....Tell me how the iphone is better when everytime they add new things that should've been on the phone from the start you have to buy a new model to have?MMS,Video,Teethering
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As I told you, no-mms is not an issue. Tethering, if you mean "having access to the Internets from your laptop through your phone" -IS- a problem, witch though can be solved by buying a USB/PCMCIA/Something GPRS modem. For about 30 euros. On the other hand, not 30, not 50, not 400 euros can make my Touch Pro something more useful than a brick. You mean, you REALLY use tethering all the time? You REALLY use video conference? The rates are sky-high here in Greece - 10 video calls would cost the same as the damn phone! Ah, and here's another point where iPhone (and almost any other device) is better: was your Touch Pro usable out of the box? Want me to point you to other posts by other users that say how much it sucked until they installed a custom Rom (and thus lost its warranty)? THIS is how a device is supposed to work? By exchanging its official warranty with a custom-cooked ROM, created by people that, up to a point, are GUESSING what-should-work (and they're doing a great job at that)... For Baal's shake, cooks, developers and lots of users are prowling the insides of other phones to find drivers witch they'll be able to tweak so that our damn brick will be able to play videoclips and long-forgotten-emulators like 3-year-old devices do! I mean, gosh, HTC should PAY XDA Developers for making their phone bearable! But, ofcourse, you are happy... No video, no speed, sluggish loading and typing, godawful GPS, no useful apps whatsoever... But you have tethering. Somehow, I don't quite believe you.
skyau said:
I've had similar experiences with people using the iphone in the same ways. It may be nothing more than an "application launcher" but the applications actually do something useful, quickly.
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AAAND, ladies and gentleman, that's the whole point. Even with all the other problems, IF, and thats the most important thing, IF our phone had some really useful AND easy-to-use apps, that other phones didn't, or IF it excelled in some way, the situation would be bearable. Its not just that its hardware sucks, its insulting that we can't run (and use) stuff on it!
And please, if any programmer is reading this, the place is called XDA Developers. Please, DEVELOP something. No, tweaking the interface isn't "developing", it's "tweaking". And although I don't know anything about programming, I'd be more than happy to "develop" graphics for a useful app.
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Ducklord
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the place is called XDA Developers. Please, DEVELOP something. No, tweaking the interface isn't "developing", it's "tweaking".
Best regards
Ducklord
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hahaha took the words out of my mouth... they say that WM has thousands of apps but from what i see its, 1000 half-done interfaces / 5000 tweaks, customizers, and "fixes" and 50 somewhat of apps ready to use that does at least something other than what the phone could already do but wanted to make it look "pretty" like a new contact manager, dialer, etc.
on the other hand the iphone has their own job search app, NBA play by play app, and more things other than what the phone could already do in the first place
im worried about "Marketplace" as well cuz there are multiple screen resolutions, models, and kinds of WM devices that the compatibility will not be all there when it comes to all the apps
I want to clarify that as unimpressed with the Fuze as I am, I am more than impressed and grateful for all the work done for it by the people here on XDA.
I'm glad to have a repository of software, knowledge, and development like this.
It makes me wonder what could be done with a machine that didn't need to be fixed or flashed right out of the box.
My problems with this phone stem from AT&T, HTC themselves, and to a lesser extent Microsoft. I appreciate that there's such a supportive community cleaning up these three company's messes.
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I want to clarify that as unimpressed with the Fuze as I am, I am more than impressed and grateful for all the work done for it by the people here on XDA.
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Well, I'm grateful for XDA, but not for "all the work they've done for Touch Pro". No, I'm not whining or disregarding their work, it's just that I had the idea they really squeezed the life out of my Tytn, but they give me the impression that they've just touched the surface of Touch Pro.
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Ducklord
Patience
May be you just need some patience. How long has the TyTn been out compared to the TP? As for me, I have very little experience with the iPhone but my Fuze(unlocked and on T-Mobile) has very little delay in any program. I am running 1 of the best ROMs (imho), NRG's wonderful magic series.
who cares about the iphone..i just got the palm pre for my business device and man its such a relief..i still have my fuze but find myself using it less and less..its so nice to have a device not have so many issues..and just work the way i need it to..and i know webOS is still young but man i think its gonna be the next big thing..ill never give up on windows mobile though...it may be not up to the times in GUI but its an old bull and knows what its doing..but for now i need something that works with the times so my Pre is my main device for now..im still flashing every new rom NRG puts out tho on my fuze lol and ive gotten to tap into my linux side with rooting my Pre and doing all the hacks
NRGs ROMs are what my Touch Pro runs, and although quite fast in the TouchFlo 3D department, loading and running apps takes a lot of time for my taste. And just think that NRGs is one of the fastest ROMs but, still, Touch Pro can't match the usage speed of Tytn (I mean in the interface department), not even counting the 5 to 15 seconds for an app to load (5 to 10 seconds for the camera? The subject of the photo will be dead and gone until the snap is taken!). And even if you put up with this sluginess... Where are the apps? After posting the 1st message I did a visit to "the usual places" to see what's new in WM world... The joy is unimaginable! Three new versions of the same 'ol SPB software, a "smart calculator" and a stopwatch... Great...
As for the Pre, well, when your wage is arround 700-900 euros and a phone like those we're talking about costs from 600 to 1200 euros... Let's just say I'm stuck with this brick for two-three more years. Ahrgh... Teh pains...
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Ducklord
PS: How, tell me, HOW hard would it be to create two simple, decent apps, one for taking Notes and one for managing Tasks? I'd be in heaven if I found two, just these two apps, that loaded fast, where Touch Friendly and could sync with Outlook. Or some GTD apps. Or some productivity ones. That could sync with our PC. Heck, I bought a WINDOWS MOBILE device so as to sync to my WINDOWS PC. And an Apple phone has more apps that sync with outlook. And better.
PS2: Have you realized how shafted we are from anyone and any company? Evernote for WM is the only decent notes-taking app I found. And, SPECIFICALLY in WM, you have to have a data connection active to use it. No local notes and syncing later. No local storage, no local search. After we payed one wage for out phone, we have to pay another one in data costs to use it! Ack! De Happines! De Joy!
have you tried thumbcal? it is a finger friendly GUI and it replaces the wm standard calender and tasks and i believe you can take notes down too..and so if you have an exchange server setup (i use mail2web) then itl sync everything and you can sync outlook to your exchange too and there you have device to pc seemless syncing and then i used this regedit whch i made to use thumbcal when you tap a shortcut that uses a hard wired shortcut (like tf3d)
yah once htc shifted from TI OMAP to Qualcomm MSMxxxx processors things went downhill...
I dunno I have a sprint touch pro and on mighty rom wm6.5 and I love it. It's as fast as my gf's iphone. My phone is alot better than hers except playing music. Plus, I can't stand looking at the screen of iphone! The resolution is really bad and I get a headache!!
I dunno why you have to wait to load a note program because it doesn't have any loading for me. I can write and save in no time. Also, when you open the keyboard there is a shortcut for notes. You can always assign your talk button as a note program too.
I'll admit that there are some delays when switching apps, and some apps take longer to load than others.
You do realize that there are other apps out there besides what's on this site don't you? There are literally thousands of apps out there. Look at Handandgo for example.
My ROM has PocketNotepad cooked in. As soon as I open it, it opens me to a blank notepad and I can start typing right away. It opens in 1-2 seconds for me, which I think is reasonable.
I don't use tasks, so I can't really speak for that side of it.
i dont find energyroms particularly fast, not sure why everyone says its fast. it's definitely not faster compared to a tweaked lite rom. but i guess with the eye candy and full suite of apps, it's relatively fast.
I tried launching notepad and it took less than 2 secs to be able to write a new note. if it's that slow on your phone, your phone obviously has issues.
Partially agree
On the first few days I was thinking the same because I've been waiting for a phone like this for ages and here in Romania it costs more then double of an average salary so you can imagine that people get scared once they give out so much money on a single device which doesn't behave as it should. In fact it has quite a few bugs but still wouldn't change it for the iPhone...
Notes application starts in about 2 seconds for me and energyRom is decently fast - I wish I could remove that colourful taskbar though because I hate it and no one gave me an answer how to change it. Even tried one method and had to reflash the device. Anyway...
The GPS problem pisses me off because I thought it's as good as the one from the Diamond but turns out to be awful. I use IGO8 and it sucks. It locks on my position in about 10 minutes. Not good at all.
The camera is not bad, music is decent, but those aren't things that smart-phones are famous for...
Overall I am happy with this device, or should I say I have no other choice then to be happy with it and would like to thank the people from XDA Developers for their time and for correcting the errors that Microsoft should had corrected. Waiting for new apps and as ducklord said - I can help designing some of the apps so if any developer needs design, we're here. I'm not good at programming though.
Bela