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Ameo 8GB and external HDD

Hello together!
I have an Ameo 8GB WM 6 which I want to use in my car - so far so good.
In addition, it is to play my MP3 collection.
But I have more Mp3 than 8 GB Mp3 - how can I extend the capacity?
Which external USB-HDD runs at the Ameo?
I have already tested a lot of HDD 2,5’’ - 1,8’’ - 3,5’’ but nothing works
I get only one USB-sticks to run!
Which capacity of USB-Sticks will work? 128GB?
Can I Use an external HDD with WLAN like the old ASUS WL-HD to map to the Ameo?
Can anybody help me?
I have searched a lot in various forums – some one has already running an external HDD via 4 in one cable.
Thanks!

Speedy2101 said:
Which external USB-HDD runs at the Ameo?
I have already tested a lot of HDD 2,5’’ - 1,8’’ - 3,5’’ but nothing works
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There are two reasons why external HDDs don't work initially with the Athena:
1. Windows Mobile only has support for FAT volumes. Since most extHDDs now sold are formated as NTFS, they can't be read.
Solution: reformat (if you can) the HDD as FAT16/32. You might need to get a 3rd party program to do this as Windows XP won't format a drive in FAT if it's larger than 32GB (IIRC). USB flash drives are almost always formated in FAT16/32, which is why your Athena has no problem with them.
2. The HDD requires more power than the Athena can give. A standard USB port provides 500mA, but Windows Mobile devices that have USB Host/USB2Go only provide 100mA. That's good enough for nearly all keyboards, mice, and USB flash drives, but insufficient for HDDs (which can take as much as 700mA before spinning up).
Solution: You have to run the drive on external power if you want the Athena to read it.
I've done both the above and once got a 80GB drive mounted as an experiment. One odd thing about the Athena though - it'll only mount one drive from a USB hub.
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Can I Use an external HDD with WLAN like the old ASUS WL-HD to map to the Ameo?
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I don't see why not, if you can figure out how to get a network drive mounted. It's supposedly straight forward (I've done that before with WM2003SE), but WM5/6 appear to be a bit more 'sensitive'.

the power Ok - I'll test it with an FAT32 formatted Disk!
And extarnal power!
Can I Use an USB-Y-Cabel for the power and plug the power USB to an running PC?

And it works fine
Trekstor USB 120GB works fine with HTC 7500 WM6
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this will help "others",
because I tried a lot of different hardware for my athena HTC 7500
(dgimate ,like optical10 did suggest;it works but drains battery and wasn´t very foolproof)
but none did really satisfy my desires,
Today I bought a TrekStor USB 1 1/8 inch usb drive 120 GB and it works since a few hours very well,
I am using a HTC cable 4in 1 with mouse and a stowaway external bluetooth keyboard and everthing is working witout problems.
With SK-Tools I made a benchmark-test with Trakstor HD:
Reading : 15554 kb/s
Writing : 171 kb/s could be a bit faster
Hardware :
Athena Ameo T-Mobile
8 GB micro SD Sandisk
8 GB in build microdrive
external USB Digimate 160 GB Toshiba HD (battery draining)
Trekstor 120 GB 1 1/8 inch very small (like a credit-card)
a batterypack 6x1,3 V with an usb car adapter for the right voltage wth 10000 mah x1,3x 6 ist nearly 75000 mw or 7,5 Watt
Bluetooth Ear-Phone (usefull in car for speaking commands)
Simore silver Dual-Sim telefone-adapter wich works very fine (GSM only )
Stowaway bluetooth keyboard
USB cable mouse
Favorite software:
mortscipt,PocketDos(all my old clipper programs are working fine ) JKWörterbuch
Total commander
TomTom, IGO2008 and Navigon
(I tried them running all three in parallel and they work without problem)
System :
WM 6 professional CE OS 5.2.1620
Why I am writing this:
In many forums I found very divergent opinions about using the above hardware. Some human beings seam to like misleading "others".
P.S.
("I am searching an USB-Trackball WM-6 and 4in1 cable compatible), perhaps s.o. can give me a link where I can order such helpfull technic")
"Even until totay everything works fine because I copied this answer"

Ok
I tried 3 HDD all three formatted as fat32 and plugged to 4in1 cable.
The VGA software was turned off.
no one did work at all! I always used a power cable plugged into another running PC!
Do you think it might be the rom-version of T-mobile - should I take HTC?
@xdawis
If you say this one works: TrekStor USB 1 1/8 inch usb drive 120 GB
Is it this one: http://cgi.ebay.de/TREKSTOR-externe...ryZ47597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00...ils?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1224020618&sr=8-1&seller=
Which battery pack do you mean?
then I try to get it - but if it even don't works?
CU
Speedy

Hello Speedy2101,
yes, that´s the HDD I use.
It works fine since nearly 200 hours.
BR

xdawis said:
Hello Speedy2101,
yes, that´s the HDD I use.
It works fine since nearly 200 hours.
BR
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Oki I have exactly this one - but it don't work?
Which configurations have you made?
Now I have an HTC Rom

External HDD
Hello Speedy2101,
I didn´t make any special settings on the Ameo,
I am using WM6 profesional
CEOS 5.2.1620 (Build 18125.0.4.2)
2007 Microsoft
Its original German WM6 from T-mobile
I upgraded from WM5
The first things you proof:
Does the 4in1 cable work correctly with an USB-Stick?
If it does , did you proof the microdrive with an other PC
With the HDD from Trekstor I didn´t even format it or did something like that
Otherwise I do not understand why it is working for me and not working with your application.
BR

xdawis said:
Hello Speedy2101,
I didn´t make any special settings on the Ameo,
I am using WM6 profesional
CEOS 5.2.1620 (Build 18125.0.4.2)
2007 Microsoft
Its original German WM6 from T-mobile
I upgraded from WM5
The first things you proof:
Does the 4in1 cable work correctly with an USB-Stick?
If it does , did you proof the microdrive with an other PC
With the HDD from Trekstor I didn´t even format it or did something like that
Otherwise I do not understand why it is working for me and not working with your application.
BR
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Ok I'll test it
Are You german?
Können wir dann mal mailen

Yeah,
Deine Anschrift bitte!

xdawis said:
Yeah,
Deine Anschrift bitte!
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Hast PN
Look up

Ameo HDD New benchmark results !!!
I installed a new version (4.4.4.1)SK-Tools and tested my trekstor HDD again;
With the ameo it displays nearly the same results.
Has anybody got such unbelievable results?
Writing 176.63 kb/s
Reading 14321.68 kb/s

120 GB still works with Athena / Ameo
Is there anybody who is interrested in using an external 120 GB HDD with an ameo?
I can not believe that nobody else would like to use this comfortable facility
of external storage.
The 4in1 cable ad 120 GB are working without any problems since a couple of months.

xdawis said:
Is there anybody who is interrested in using an external 120 GB HDD with an ameo?
I can not believe that nobody else would like to use this comfortable facility
of external storage.
The 4in1 cable ad 120 GB are working without any problems since a couple of months.
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I am, but at such a high price...($179) http://www.amazon.com/TrekStor-Data...QODM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1233618924&sr=8-1
definitely not in that kind of price.
Toshiba 250 GB Portable External Drive cost only $89.00

HTC Wings has SDIO?

I have htc wings - he has SDIO?

Yes it does.

Please, Canyou show me on any photo HTC Wings, where is this slot?

SDIO is basically additional I/O capabilities through your regular SD slot, on the right side of the phone. I wonder, what do you need SDIO for btw? The phone has already built-in wlan, which seems to me to be the main reason for such a slot.

on the right side of the phone
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???on right side is microSD , no SD???
i need sdio, because built-on wifi is very small range (200-400 m) . I think that external wifi has more range

SDIO is the name of a technique, not a size. But no, the phone has no regular SD-sized SDIO slots, only a microSDIO slot. I don't know if any microSDIO cards exist though.
You might want to set your wifi transmit power higher for better range, if you haven't done so already. I doubt that an external wifi card will get you a better range, since the size of the antenna in such a card won't be bigger than what is already built into the phone.

Kaiser slow USB PC to PDA data transfer

hi
i boght my Kaiser form a friend about 3 days ago and it has hyperdragon IV (september 2008 release) ROM on it.
my complain about it is that the data transfer between pc and fone is very slow. it takes about 17-20 minutes to copy a 175mb file on the fone's SD HC 4gb card (while the card is in the fone). i connect the fone in ActiveSync mode.
in SETTINGS/CONNECTION/USB TO PC i cannot select the option DISK DRIVE as it says that this option need a memory card in the device and it asks me to insert the card. the card is already there, i have files and programs installed on it. what can i do to speed up my transfers?
thanks in advance.

daJudge2010 said:
hi
i boght my Kaiser form a friend about 3 days ago and it has hyperdragon IV (september 2008 release) ROM on it.
my complain about it is that the data transfer between pc and fone is very slow. it takes about 17-20 minutes to copy a 175mb file on the fone's SD HC 4gb card (while the card is in the fone). i connect the fone in ActiveSync mode.
in SETTINGS/CONNECTION/USB TO PC i cannot select the option DISK DRIVE as it says that this option need a memory card in the device and it asks me to insert the card. the card is already there, i have files and programs installed on it. what can i do to speed up my transfers?
thanks in advance.
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To be honest 17-20 minutes for 175MB doesn't sound that far out. Transfer speeds will be less than USB 1.1. If its just small files I use ActiveSync, if its anything big (Maps etc) then I use a Micro-SD/USB memory card reader which is much, much faster.
As for your issues with the DISK DRIVE option in the USB connection settings I would post for help in the HyperDragon thread (or search the thread first...)
Andy

ADB100 said:
I would post for help in the HyperDragon thread (or search the thread first...)
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I agree with Andy, that's a question for that ROM's thread. I'm running a 6.5 rom and have the same problem.
USB1.1 is slow and it's the nature of the beast. If you're going to transfer a lot of files, pull the MicroSD and buzz the files over manually.

With ActiveSync is normal speed ...if you want more speed you can use a version of Softick Card Export and you can transfer with 700-800 KB/s ...and if you want much more speed use a card reader.

i understand what r saying . but i must correct u : on GSMARENA it says that the fone has USB 2.0.

The phone is USB2.0 compliant, meaning it can be used on a USB2.0 host, but that doesn't mean it supports the "hi-speed" mode added by USB2.0. And it indeed doesn't.

I think is something strange with data transfer using USB ...probably antothers missing drivers ...I don't know.
Extract from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb :
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USB supports following data rates:
* The Full Speed rate of 12 Mbit/s (1.5 MB/s) is the basic USB data rate defined by USB 1.1. All USB hubs support Full Speed.
* A Low Speed rate of 1.5 Mbit/s (187.5 kB/s) is defined by USB 1.0. It is very similar to full speed operation except that each bit takes 8 times as long to transmit. It is intended primarily to save cost in low-bandwidth Human Interface Devices (HID) such as keyboards, mice, and joysticks.
* A High-Speed (USB 2.0) rate of 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s) was introduced in 2001. All high-speed devices are capable of falling back to full-speed operation if necessary.
Experimental data rate:
* A SuperSpeed (USB 3.0) rate of 5.0 Gbit/s (625 MB/s). The USB 3.0 specification was released by Intel and its partners in August 2008, according to early reports from CNET news. Products using the 3.0 specification are expected to arrive in 2009 or 2010.
So , using my device in USB mass storage mode I can transfer with 1/2 from the full speed rate of USB 1.1
kilrah said:
The phone is USB2.0 compliant, meaning it can be used on a USB2.0 host, but that doesn't mean it supports the "hi-speed" mode added by USB2.0. And it indeed doesn't.
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I think USB2.0 means hi-speed, if it not supports it isn't USB 2.0 ....is USB 1.1 or USB 1.0 ...maybe I'm wrong ...but if somebody have more knowledges about USB please corect me.

Not quite so black and white
breakx said:
I think USB2.0 means hi-speed, if it not supports it isn't USB 2.0 ....is USB 1.1 or USB 1.0 ...maybe I'm wrong ...but if somebody have more knowledges about USB please corect me.
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These days USB 2.0 is pretty much synonymous with Hi Speed but when USB 2.0 first came out it could also mean 'Full Speed' and you had to be careful not to get 'tricked' into a 'Full Speed' (vs. Hi Speed) bit of kit.
This topic has been done to death in several threads, heres one I contributed to slow copying to SD card Note the fact that it's not so much the USB hardware limitations that cause it to be as slow as treacle, it's the huge bottleneck that Microsoft (in)Activesync imposes (hence why copying to a card reader on a USB 1.1 port is still much faster than using Activesync via a USB 2.0 Port). Activesync is really a major weakness with Microsofts Mobile Phone OS Strategy IMO.

breakx said:
I think USB2.0 means hi-speed, if it not supports it isn't USB 2.0 ....is USB 1.1 or USB 1.0 ...maybe I'm wrong ...but if somebody have more knowledges about USB please corect me.
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Well I just said it above!
USB2.0 includes all 3 speeds, low, full and high. So a device that only uses full speed is included in the standard. Compliance with USB2.0 means that the device will work on an USB2.0 concentrator, that's all. This because at the beginning of USB2.0 you usually had both USB2.0 and USB1.1 ports on computers, and some USB1.1 devices would not work if connected to USB2.0 ports due to stricter timing requirements.
People now assume that USB2.0 = High speed, but as Flying Kiwi said it it's only because it is true in the majority of cases, in the books it's not a requirement.

[Q] hd7 on Western Digital TV box

ok so I got my HD7 today. when I plug my hd2 into my wdtv box the connect as disk driver pops up & the hd2 is seen as usb drive.
on the hd7 nothing happens, any way for my hd7 too bee seen as a drive?
I have to guess its because the sd card is internal and not removable.
thanks!

Nope, no way to do that :/
There is no option to use any WP7 devices as an external drive as the internal memory (for the OS) and any external, but internal, memory (SD cards or NAND flash) are treated as one contiguous storage area. I.e. it cannot give access to the storage as the Operating System needs it to work on.
The memory is formatted in a special way as well which means that no data would be readable by our computers. At least until someone figures it all out

[Q] UHS-I Support a Possibility?

Hey guys,
I've been looking over this document: SD 3.01 Spec specifically from pages 13-15 regarding UHS modes. It would appear that in order for the host to access the card at UHS DDR50 mode, it simply needs to issue another command after initialization. My questions here are:
1) What is the SD host controller on the Nexus One (i.e: is it part of the Snapdragon QSD8250 SoC, or is it a separate chip that it contacts over a serial bus?)
2) Can portions of the AOSP/Kernel/Reverse engineered host controller firmware be rewritten to support UHS-I speeds, or is this impossible in a host chip designed before the SD 3.0 spec was even released?
Thanks in advance.

SD controller is a part of QSD8250.
To access the card, you need to send the command. To receive the card's answer and any communications afterwards, you need HW logic to sample and further process DDR communication. If this logic was present - this thread wouldn't be open...

Aww, was hoping maybe Qualcomm future-proofed the QSD8250 a little bit. Oh well, thanks.