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will touch diamond support Windows mobile 7?

seems that wm7 will be released in the next 6 months?
here is the notice
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/android-winmo-devices-in-the-next-6-months/
my question is someone knows if it possible diamond have wm7?
i´m going to buy one diamond and it´ll be great if he can support wm7
thanks

will holland win the European championship.............
we do not know what will happen in the future.

gt500 said:
seems that wm7 will be released in the next 6 months?
here is the notice
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/android-winmo-devices-in-the-next-6-months/
my question is someone knows if it possible diamond have wm7?
i´m going to buy one diamond and it´ll be great if he can support wm7
thanks
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Interesting, but I'm positive instead of upgrading the diamond, most people will just buy the new HTC (Probably a Touch) with WM7.

WM7 will be released at the beginning of 2009. Porbably announced earlier.
It is very likely that the Touch Diamond can run wm7 without problems. But nobody can tell you now...
Since HTC is planning for a WM7 device, they will not offer WM7 as a free upgrade for the TouchDiamond. If enough people buy the touch diamond they might offer this update for some money. Else we have to hope for some good "cooking" from the developers here in the forum...

very likely based on what?
If it's as much of an overhaul as Microsoft are saying it will be, then I'd say not supported. Will probably need a better touch screen.
Rory

withouth support for hardware features like
accelorometer and multitouch it would prob
be a kinda poor experience if it does

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Good question
That's why I said: Very likely...
You might as well ask: What might WM7 change that makes it very unlikely that the Touch Diamond will not be albe to run it...

I asked HTC about the Diamond2 WM7 upgrade and they answered this:
"At the moment windows mobile 7 is unknown at this time. I can not give you the exact date when it will release. But I know that there will be a new upgrade will be available soon."
So is this good or bad?

Windows Mobile 7 has high requirements... check out http://www.intomobile.com/2009/05/12/microsoft-pink-specs-windows-mobile-7-requirements-leak.html. The Diamond's 192MB ROM isn't even close to the 512MB required. Although, when it comes out, I have a feeling that our hackers will debloat it and make it run.
But it won't be official, that's for sure.
~codeslicer

i have see on youtube many videos with diamond and Winmo7 but its very slow at this time but its work!
You will have winmo7 on your Diamond than wait its nut funny at this time
Here are 2 Videos. The first Video i think thats real its slow but the last Video is so fast i think thats a fake :S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cv85Z2O5jk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm7UZ71uQHs&feature=related

the second video is an APP runs on WM6.5 it's name is THE HOST and it is in 1.5 version now. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=685928

As mentioned earlier the requirements are not close enough to W7p, and if you have run xdandroid, the performance is okay but not there yet.
I have seen W7p theme for android, I have tried it and it seems pretty cool
Examples:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8119626#post8119626
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864034

That first video looks amazing. Although I didn't expect WP7 to run sooo slowly.

gt500 said:
seems that wm7 will be released in the next 6 months?
here is the notice
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/android-winmo-devices-in-the-next-6-months/
my question is someone knows if it possible diamond have wm7?
i´m going to buy one diamond and it´ll be great if he can support wm7
thanks
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I think we might be able to install a windows 7 rom on Diamond altough it might not function properly because WM7 needs a lot more RAM and processing speed compared to WM6.1 and 6.5.

BIG BRAINS Reply
The real question is, why would you want to run such crippled software on such nice hardware? Windows Mobile 7 is five huge steps back from real Windows Mobile.
- 2 Bunny

I will work like crap.
A HTC Diamond barely manages to run a W6.5...It does run , but very slow and annoying.
Would`nt recommend going W7 on a Diamond , unless you have nerves of steel ^^

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The real question is, why would you want to run such crippled software on such nice hardware? Windows Mobile 7 is five huge steps back from real Windows Mobile.
I might also add that it has not been done. Probably won't either, because nobody wants to downgrade their handheld.
- 2 Bunny

Hi
Can i have wp7 IN my Diamond ?

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Torres 9 said:
Hi
Can i have wp7 IN my Diamond ?
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Nope. Nobody bothered to port it over because it would be completely pointless. Whats in it for you to downgrade anyway?
- 2 Bunny

Upgrade to ?????

i think ive narrowed it to n95 or touch diamond
i just hate the 4 gig un expandable memory in the touch diamond and does anyone kno the video recording resolution

No Offense, but what does this have to do with the Kaiser.
Maybe better off in the General General you'll get better answers then the ones you'd get from the Kaiser Fan boys!

oh yeah well im currently a kaiser user have been since jan, i deff want a new phone but which way do i turn
to be honest im a fanboy myself i just want input

First of all:
JimmyMcGee said:
what does this have to do with the Kaiser.
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Second..... N95 compared to DIAMOND??? ahhaaahahahaha

jayjay8585 said:
i think ive narrowed it to n95 or touch diamond
i just hate the 4 gig un expandable memory in the touch diamond and does anyone kno the video recording resolution
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I've wanted to play with a n95 for some time now...
n96 in q2-q3 '08 as well...
or, as what I will probably end up doing, wait for nokia to release a touch smartphone....

i answered the kaiser relation question
and the n95 has a better camera and storage

Nokia means no XDA-devs anymore... And you wouldn't want to miss this fine community eh?
Maybe some member will release a cab to increase the memory size... I'm still waiting for the FM-radio, watercraft, lightsaber,... cabs.
Touch Pro could solve your problem...

my vote goes to the n95 for now.i was always a htc fan up until the driver issues and no touchflo 3d.even though the diamond has these i dont like the size and shape plus of the storage issue

well xda devs rocks so there is that.
i dont think the touch pro is coming to orange uk

jayjay8585 said:
well xda devs rocks so there is that.
i dont think the touch pro is coming to orange uk
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just to make you on the same page, xda doesn't make devices. the 2 phones mentioned are made by htc and the other by nokia

i meant xda developers not xda devices, i kno there made by htc, its written on my phone

n95!
it's one of the fastest phones out there!
great camera, lots of memory, there are tons of 3rd party apps for symbian, you can play GBA at full speed. it's an awesome phone!
while the touch diamond on the other hand has a qualcomm processor...big epic fail...and every phone with a qualcomm processor will be an epic fail until they start using Xscale again.

i agree with what dude said about no xda, ur gonna miss it!
i mean its a windows ppc, the mod possibilites are endless, IMO
the n95 is sweet to look at, and the functions are awesome, plus the camera is f'n nasty!
but ur really considering leaving HTC ?
why get a divorce so soon?

no u misunderstand im not selling my tytn 2, i love htc devices. besides i use internet sharing something you dont get on nokias. i think.
ill prob switch tween kaiser and my upgrade as ive got 8 gb in kaiser

As far a what your needs are there are a lot of differences between the n95 and XDA, so you have to ask yourself what do I need from a mobile device.
I am in a similar situation, I am approaching the end of my contract and looking at upgrading from my SE k800i to the kaiser. I am however going to wait gor the touch pro to come out and see what that has to offer,
perhaps that is an option for you?
Marc

I wouldn't consider any of the 2 mentioned phones. If I was to change my Kaiser, it would be for the same category, say the upcoming Touch Pro. I want the keyboard and MicroSD slot.

First of all, why the rush to upgrade, it's not like your using a Razr. Have you seen the upcoming 2009 devices? Check out Nvidia's integrated Htc Apx device for one. Thanks to the Iphone, company's are gonna start to roll out some serious hardware evolutions next year, I'd hold on if I were you http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html

You make it seem like money's an issue with him. he got the kaiser in January, and is looking for a new toy in july...by the time he is bored again, it'll be 2009 Q1 tech, and then q3 2009 tech.

actually its is. these are free upgrades thats why i cant just get the touch pro on o2

Personally I wouldn't bother with either, okay it's a free upgrade either way but why waste it, and not be able to upgrade to something decent a few months down the line?
The N95 is quite old now, and (in my eyes) a pretty horrible piece of work. I can't stand the S60 interface, I'm not bothered about the camera (which is still only a phone camera after all), there's no way I'd choose it over my kaiser (and yes I know you're not losing the kaiser, but you can still only carry one phone at once, at least if you're sensible).
The Touch Diamond, by all accounts, isn't finished yet. It doesn't really work the way it should, the battery life makes the kaiser look good, and it's just going to frustrate you.
My advice - just wait. Take up the offer of an upgrade when there's something you actually, definitely want out there.

"Sorry, no 6.5 For You!"

Sorry Tilt, only the newer HTC products will getting the new upgrade.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...ree-on-the-touch-diamond2-and-touch-pro2.html

Nylo said:
Sorry Tilt, only the newer HTC products will getting the new upgrade.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...ree-on-the-touch-diamond2-and-touch-pro2.html
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Old news We already have on some of our phones
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like that would stop us any how LOL

Nylo said:
Sorry Tilt, only the newer HTC products will getting the new upgrade.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...ree-on-the-touch-diamond2-and-touch-pro2.html
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Too bad for who? I am already running Anrly's WM6.5 on my phone, and let me tell you it rocks!

XDA the place miracles can happen

stylez said:
XDA the place miracles can happen
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..... And where is the link to this 6.5 miracle?

Nylo said:
..... And where is the link to this 6.5 miracle?
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Lol can you please look in ROM section

Nylo said:
Sorry Tilt, only the newer HTC products will getting the new upgrade.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...ree-on-the-touch-diamond2-and-touch-pro2.html
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...you really thought that HTC would do that!? If you thought that you were a dreamer! They like to sell new phones and not an old phone like the Kaiser

Windows Mobile 6.5 works on QVGA?
Out of interest, are any of the devices that will 'officially' be running Windows Mobile 6.5 QVGA? From what I see, the versions of 6.5 cooked into ROMS here are tweaked to fit on the smaller 320x240 screen - but the Touch Diamond 2 and Pro 2 are both WVGA devices with an 800x460 screen resolution aren't they?
If the 'proper' version of 6.5 is designed to work on VGA devices or better only, it's not surprising that HTC aren't planning on offering upgrades to older devices that don't support the higher resolutions. Sure, it can be made to work on older handsets - but not in the way Microsoft probably envisioned for their new release...
I might be wrong and I have my asbestos "flame-proof" jacket on, so I'm ready for the backlash

Actually, Microsoft has said that it will allow official upgrades on current 6.1 devices as long as they have a 400mhz processor and 128mb ram (plus the windows start key). The Kaiser meets all of those requirements, so it is eligible for an upgrade, but that would be at the discretion of HTC/carriers. I doubt that we will ever see an official upgrade due to the age of the Kaiser, but you never know.
More importantly, though, is whether it even matters. Do we even need an official 6.5 for the Kaiser to build off of, or can we do an equal/better job with the dumped 6.5 roms already being ported to our phone? I guess that would be a question I would put to our chefs out there.

Would it really be an 'upgrade' though if HTC provided it?
If the HTC Official WWE WM 6.1 'upgrade' for the TyTN II is anything to go by, I'd run a mile from any HTC provided WM 6.5 release for the TyTN II anyway. Apart from the fact there were so many bugs in the official WM 6.1 upgrade when compared to the relatively stable WM 6.0, it's clear from HTCs continual refusal to provide full (not partial) graphics driver support for even much newer devices, that they don't learn lessons from the past (or if they do, they don't act on them).
Given the TyTN IIs age now, I suspect if there was a further upgrade to come even the apprentice programmers' time would be considered to valuable for such a task and GPS, graphics performance and things like screen flashes when coming out of standby (all things still not fixed after nearly a year since the first WM 6.1 upgrade was released) would take a very low priority. I could be proven wrong but I don't have much faith that the HTC leopard would change its spots

Flying Kiwi said:
...I could be proven wrong but I don't have much faith that the HTC leopard would change its spots
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Wow, HTC Leopard? I liked my original Hermes, now love my Kaiser - can't wait to try the Leopard

Paulplex said:
I liked my original Hermes, now love my Kaiser
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I hope people don't misinterpret what I wrote, I believe the TyTN II was groundbreaking in its day and it certainly offered the right combination of features that other devices didn't have together in the one package. The problem is that there are a number of inexactitudes when comparing the actual device with all the advertising that was out for the device when first released (what I relied on for my purchase decision). Both advertiising from HTC and from Qualcomm the chip maker. Since then I've seen no indication that HTC is interested in maximising all the potential in this device to try and live up to those advertising claims and if anything their UK released ROM upgrade for my device actualy makes it worse. It's a sad state of affairs where a buggy 'upgrade' still hasn't been fixed nearly a year later and I'm fed up with sending letters to HTC which aren't listened to (not to mention the thousands of online petition signatories requesting full driver support for the embedded hardware actually on the device).
As someone who has worked as a computer technician I can tell you it is truely scandalous to release a product complete with an OS that doesn't have full driver support for embedded graphics acceleration and any full sized PC provider would not get away with it. Not only then but also the fact they haven't since come along with an update to address these concerns - hence my lack of faith in this company.

I would assume HTC's refusal to release system drivers would have to do with NDA's they signed with the various component manufacturers. I'm also relatively new to the world of XDA (but not winmo), so I would assume that this topic has been discussed to death on this site before.
@Flying Kiwi: I only had the Hermes for three weeks before I found a kickin deal on a Kaiser, but I have to agree it was a good phone. However, the upgrade to the Kaiser from the Hermes was worth the little extra I paid, if only for the gps and increased ram.
Not to get off topic, but does anyone else find Age of Empires to be incredibly addictive on a PDA?

WinMo 6.5

So, now 6.5 is officially released, when are we going to get a proper base 6.5 ROM for our Jades? Come on, there's got to be a genius out there.

I guess all the chefs are waiting for an official HTC 6.5 final ROM dump. I mean that's what i would do, if i were a chef.

Really excited about it.Hope something will come up soon.

When is HTC likely to release an official 6.5 rom for this device?

hi
to my knowledge not now we need to wait for one of ur cooks to use one of the released Roms and cook a good bug free one for us
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When is HTC likely to release an official 6.5 rom for this device?
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I asked HTC support a few weeks ago and they replied to me that they won't release a official 6.5 ROM for the Touch 3G. I guess they prefer to sell the Touch2 instead.

olly2009 said:
I asked HTC support a few weeks ago and they replied to me that they won't release a official 6.5 ROM for the Touch 3G. I guess they prefer to sell the Touch2 instead.
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Apparently, the Touch 2 will be quite cheap in SEAsia, somewhere between the Opal and Jade. This with increased memory but same processor and same camera as Jade.

yeah i looked at a touch2 ...however the battery is only 1000amh....compared to our Touch 3G's 1100amh

Asked in HTC
I too asked in HTC support.
They told it would take some time for them to release the upgrade for our wonderful jade.
They told to visit HTC site regularly to know about the release.
Waiting for the upgrade.

forall.sri said:
I too asked in HTC support.
They told it would take some time for them to release the upgrade for our wonderful jade.
They told to visit HTC site regularly to know about the release.
Waiting for the upgrade.
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Means that WinMo 6.5 will be officialy released for our Jade !?
OMG, can't believe it !

I very much doubt there will be an official 6.5 update. Look at it from HTC's point of view, there's just no financial reason to do it.

hi
u nailed it buddy im 100% with u but then we have great cooks so im sure well get a good clean bug free ROM soon
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I very much doubt there will be an official 6.5 update. Look at it from HTC's point of view, there's just no financial reason to do it.
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xtremez said:
yeah i looked at a touch2 ...however the battery is only 1000amh....compared to our Touch 3G's 1100amh
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It's hard to figure out HTC's marketing strategy. They introduce a newer version of a product with the same or sometimes inferior features. Take the Touch cruise 2, for instance. The older one had a better camera. The screen of the Opal is lowered and that makes it hard to reach the close button. As for the official upgrade, the word out is it will only be for the diamond 2 and touch pro 2. But when it comes to hotfixes, jade comes in first with practically none= no major issues to fix.

I too have asked HTC support about WM6.5 and have gotten the same answer - no WM6.5 for the Jade. But i asked them some 3 weeks ago, or more. Things may have changed in the mean time.

digsf said:
I too have asked HTC support about WM6.5 and have gotten the same answer - no WM6.5 for the Jade. But i asked them some 3 weeks ago, or more. Things may have changed in the mean time.
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I thought 21854 is the official release. My future release features 21859 so is a bit newer than the official . I solved a problem it had with office, my mistake after all. So the in the new megade wm 6.5 will have as much bugs as the official release. (maybe a bit less/more)

If u look at the specs of the Touch2, it's very clear it's just an upgrade on Jade. Apart from the improbable stuff like RAM and ROM. the rest are nearly a match. some of the features that jade lacks, just a couple of registry tweaks and shortcut assigned keys..and you're on the GO! Save $$$...and a prettier phone. LOL

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I thought 21854 is the official release. My future release features 21859 so is a bit newer than the official . I solved a problem it had with office, my mistake after all. So the in the new megade wm 6.5 will have as much bugs as the official release. (maybe a bit less/more)
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Looking forward to it, Tommy!

Has anyone got hold old a full release WinMo6.5 and started cooking for the jade yet?????

From HTC Europe support:
Dear valued HTC customer,
Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center. We are dedicated to providing you with the best quality service and answering all of your questions and concerns.
You recently wrote us about an issue that you have encountered with your Device
6.5 is available on our website for the Touch Pro 2 and the SNAP.
HTC touch diamond 2 will be uploaded shortly
this will be a free download as far as we know.
We have no information of any other devices that will be updated, but when we hear anything it will be uploaded on the website.
if the device is branded please contact the network for further updates.
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So, official 6.5 may be a long shot.

digsf said:
From HTC Europe support:
So, official 6.5 may be a long shot.
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More than a long shot I would say, since allowing Jade owners to update 6.5 would mean they would not have an incentive to upgrade to Touch 2. Phones like ours requires a lot of thought at the beginning and more user friendly phones like Nokia are hard to beat. Believe me, I've tried to convert quite a few people!

Time for some Imagio unlocking and roms!

I just bought an Imagio and will have it tomorrow. We need to get this forum rollin
im a big supporter of NFSFAN's roms after using his rom on my VZW TP and I hope he decides to whip something up for our phones !
Did anyone decide to give the mobile tv a shot? Looks like the kickstand on this phone was made for it

agree with the custom roms, man what do we need to get this goin? im really lookin foward to the coverflow on the new version of tf3d, oh and mobile tv works really well just needs more variety...

I just got mine this morning and am already having flash anxiety. I am used to flash my own cooked omnia roms with close to nothing on them. there is so much stuff on this phone that i don't want, thanks VZW.
So if we are able to get a Hard spl unlock we should be able to use any topaz kitchen as long as we use our OEM right?

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I just got mine this morning and am already having flash anxiety.
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LOL I know what you mean. I haven't even finished cleaning up from unboxing, don't have all my traditional apps on and tested yet and I stop by to see what's cooking in the kitchens already!
I am looking forward to using the phone though. I already seems much better than my Touch Pro.

Ditto here, I just ordered the Imagio today, and already wanted to see what was going on with ROMs lol.

I am wondering if anyone has contacted cmonex on weather or not she has considered helping us out with the HSPL. I am getting my phone in the Morning and I really hope we dont have to wait long. I will be around to help out with what ever I can.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=91525
There is a HardSPL placeholder thread now.

tethering to laptop
Hey all! Anyone know if/how you can tether to a laptop for use as a modem.. Kinda need it..

Imagio can tether
Yup, works great tethered, just go get PdaNet from June Fabics dot com.

Lets, go.
We desperately need to kick it up a few notches. Although I love my imagio there are so many good devices coming out that we need software and features fast. We have an ass load of potential we need this hspl so desperately I hope its coming along. I will donate the hell out of good developers.
Some things I've been thinking of.
We need to make this bad boy use motion commands, implement g-trigger or something similar cooked in.
We need to implement TFLO 3D Build 1920 and tweak it to run fast.
We need the a rom that runs stock, with only tflo running, to be at less than 40% of resources.
We need to be able to read and use 32gb storage cards.

Sweeny Russ said:
We desperately need to kick it up a few notches. Although I love my imagio there are so many good devices coming out that we need software and features fast. We have an ass load of potential we need this hspl so desperately I hope its coming along. I will donate the hell out of good developers.
Some things I've been thinking of.
We need to make this bad boy use motion commands, implement g-trigger or something similar cooked in.
We need to implement TFLO 3D Build 1920 and tweak it to run fast.
We need the a rom that runs stock, with only tflo running, to be at less than 40% of resources.
We need to be able to read and use 32gb storage cards.
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haha.. well said!! it's weird because i don't ever remember a hspl taking this long.. is it because there's something new with the imagio? like some new technology that nobody's worked with yet??

Well, according to another user somewhere that contacted HTC they said that it was a unique device to Verizon so it could be that some time is needed before they can get this one hacked.

coolpoete said:
Well, according to another user somewhere that contacted HTC they said that it was a unique device to Verizon so it could be that some time is needed before they can get this one hacked.
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Yeah, I'm sure!

Yes, we need it. But what we can do is waitting

Well the folks at pccgeeks have posted instructions to unlock the CDMA Touch Pro 2... My understanding is that the Imagio is a "variant" of the CDMA TP2... maybe we'll see a ROM and SIM unlock for the Imagio in the not too distant future.

I'm sure when sprint gets the diamond2 (whitestone) hspl will come very shortly after. Should be next month, thought it might be November 1st, but I haven't heard anything. But is guaranteed to be here within Q4 this year.

For the 18 millionth time, the Whitestone is not the Topaz (Diamond2)!

Kebero said:
For the 18 millionth time, the Whitestone is not the Topaz (Diamond2)!
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why 18, kebero??

no. I realize that but according to phone arena and a local sprint rep their diamond 2 is the whitestone. so chill.

RKnight1983 said:
I am wondering if anyone has contacted cmonex on weather or not she has considered helping us out with the HSPL. I am getting my phone in the Morning and I really hope we dont have to wait long. I will be around to help out with what ever I can.
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I have heard that she is working on it as we speak and should have something in a reasonably short time.