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WOW!! New Palm OS is amazing.

Oh my giddy aunt! Have you seen the new Palm OS? WOW!!!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yeKXksLEYo8
Look at videos 3, 4 and 5 too.
Seems amazing, slick, smooth and more innovative than iPhone OS. I love the GUI and usability of it.
What I love more is the instant app/contact/favourite search just by typing the keys. No more navigating or searching for icons. I used to have this feature on my Nokia N73. It was called Skyequikey and was BRILLIANT!
I am so tempted to get the new palm phone even with the lower specs. I used to have palm pdas and treos and loved them (even though different os now).
All this interest in getting Android to run on our HD. Imagine if Palm Web OS was on our HD. Surely that would make it the best phone ever!
Dreams...

that looks very impressive! Who is the handset made by I wonder? HTC?

I think Android is an ugly OS, personally, but that Palm interface does look pretty and much more functionally advanced than what I've seen of the iPhone.
I wonder how pretty WM7 is going to be. Much of the background functionality from the Palm already exists within WM6 but it's not presented in such an accessible way. Surely it wouldn't take much for MS to provide a new GUI since the notifications, multitasking, communications, data management etc. already exist. But I'm guessing.
You could imagine why many WM6 apps wouldn't work in an environment with that sort of GUI though. I wonder how many old Palm apps work in this brave new world? (I must admit, I didn't realise Palm was still selling devices.)

This looks incredible. I plan to upgrade around December 2009, so hopefully this may well be out and living up to expectations.
One thing, on almost every page it mentions that most of its features require internet access to keep up-to-date, which obviously makes sense, but any idea how much data will be required to do such a thing? Could be quite a large amount. If it happened to be on Orange I am almost certain new data tariffs would be needed!

amaizing.....extra ordinary innovation

SiliconS said:
... I wonder how many old Palm apps work in this brave new world? (I must admit, I didn't realise Palm was still selling devices.)
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They sad no old Palm apps are supported and that they might make an emulator.
It will be interesting to see how the phone works in real life. As of now there is no price for it and all we have to go by is a few demos (everything is looks awesome in a controlled demo).

New Palm OS
Hi Guys
Yes this is an exciting development. I started with my first PDA being the old Palm IIIc and it was great.
I "reluctantly" moved to WM in 2007 due to the lack of progress in OS development and saw how the others were evolving.
I really hope that Palm is able to make a comeback with this product and provide a true alternative to iPhone & WM but I think it really is up to the software developers to start coming up with the applications for us.
KaidM

Looks fabulous doesn't it? It's Plam's way of getting us back for Touch HD not being available in the US! Good job this new Palm is US only, else I'd be gutted I just shelled out on my HD.
Also we have that lush 800px screen, the Palm is much lower res.

the UI is just amazing, im really getting tired of windows mobile now, i just cant seem to let it go,
microsoft needs to stop playing catch up and actually start leading, we have to wait untill what? windows mobile 7, to get a better UI and even then it may not be so good.
I know where all expecting something really good from windows mobile 7, i just hope it is as good as we expect it to be.

I agree. windows mobile 7 HAS to be on par with the new Web OS otherwise it will be just the old standard os with a new skin. Palm is back and what a fantastic comeback.

I love how everyone is in love with the Pre.
iPhones are being dissed left and right, because of it

This phone is coming to the UK, just later than in the US. Gives us time to see if the OS really is as good as it looks.
I just hope companies will make sites and programs for it. Everything seems to be going one way at the moment - iPhone.
As great as XDA is, it would be nice if my HD, or the Pre (which I hope to get looking at it so far) were supported half as well.

Glad to see Palm come back in such a way. Had a Treo 650 for 2 years, it never let me down. Good luck

how come all there manufacturers are "trying" to copy iphone? i just dont get it... why cant they stick to their own unique UI / OS...

Off topic'd
Dave

Palm... innovation...
I'm sceptical.

muzhik said:
how come all there manufacturers are "trying" to copy iphone? i just dont get it... why cant they stick to their own unique UI / OS...
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WHAT unique OS? Palm OS is five years old and was a PDA interface and is now owned by another company!

Very coool,.....
Right, the UI looks great,.
maybe someday could be ported to HTC? lol

Windows Mobile 6.5 and 7

I’d like to know if you’ll be able to upgrade your present phone from 6.1 to 6.5 and then later 7? I’ve just bought my Touch Diamond and will be using it for atleast 2 years, would be a shame if I couldnt upgrade the OS when it comes out…

Kind of like asking how long is a piece of string??? Considering no one really knows what hardware specification will be required to run either WinMo 6.5 or WinMo 7... IMHO I would say that WinMo 6.5 highly possible (Tread in Diamond ROM section with an apparently leaked version, although not for the Touch Diamond) , WinMo 7 only Micro$oft will be able to answer that one???

windows mobile is made for a specific phone... drivers, enhancements, everything. if they decide to provide us with an upgrade, we get an upgrade. if a device VERY similar to ours has it, we *might* be able to use it too. beyond that, you can't go to the store and buy it, so we're really at the mercy of everybody else involved.

According to some of the teaser details already released about Windows Mobile 7, it will likely require a capacitive screen, and the G1 is the only phone by HTC to use one so far.

We don't really know much about WM7 though. That teaser info that was released quite a while ago hinted at possible gesture recognition, multitouch, etc., but I think that release was as much marketing ploy as anything else.
I doubt that WM7 will require a capacitive screen, although I would expect that it will support them. There are a number of reasons not to ditch resistive screens. Fine detail can't be input on a capacitive screen, which causes numerous problems. Complex alphabets (Asian), legacy support for existing applications, cost... the list goes on, but requiring capacitive screens would essentially erase the entire foundation that WM is built on. I don't think MS wants to do that. The great thing about WM (and MS vs Apple in general) is that they don't tie you to one piece of hardware. You have much greater flexibility in terms of cost, features, form-factor, etc.
I was hoping for WM7 this year, but now that most announcements put WM6.5 devices at Q3-Q4, it seems highly doubtful we'll see a WM7 device until at least mid 2010. By that time I'll be ready for a new device anyway (Tegra, new Qualcomm/AMD chipset, who knows), so the issue is almost moot. I'm with you though, I'd still like to see WM7 on the Diamond/Pro/HD!

A joke of an article

I recently got a free year-long subscription of BusinessWeek and read the June 29th issue. I found this humorous, but pathetic article by a well-distinguished BusinessWeek journalist near the end of the issue:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2009/tc20090617_040512.htm
Did this guy ever laid eyes upon a Windows Mobile phone in the past 2 years? I doubt it. Every feature he mentioned is available on Windows Mobile but he dismisses it as looking "lame". It's almost like he's working for Apple the way he specifically outlines the features of the new iphone. I do see some mildly pro-mac, pro-apple articles in some publications, but this is just a joke, even for an opinion article. The least he could have done was mention the Touch Pro 2, or the new Omnia, with its large AMOLED screen and over double the resolution.
I might have the wrong reaction to this, but I think it's worth mentioning. What does the XDA community think of the article? Just another Apple fanboy, or an uninformed simpleton?

The biggest thing about the iPhone is it's interface/applications. Love it or hate it, the iPhone has a lot of great and useful applications, while Windows Mobile doesn't. Android (and WebOS soon) also have a lot of great and useful applications. Most, if not all, non HTC or Samsung or manufacturer applications look very old and perform slow. It's a sad, but true, fact.
And those who are like "why don't you just switch to the iPhone then, hater!", well, I like Windows Mobile for the customization. I like being able to change my interface every few weeks. With the upcoming HTC Hero, I might be switching to Android, though. It will be nice to have an OS that actually works right... Windows Mobile simply is slow, and it's RAM management is HELL.

derekwilkinson said:
The biggest thing about the iPhone is it's interface/applications. Love it or hate it, the iPhone has a lot of great and useful applications, while Windows Mobile doesn't. Android (and WebOS soon) also have a lot of great and useful applications. Most, if not all, non HTC or Samsung or manufacturer applications look very old and perform slow. It's a sad, but true, fact.
And those who are like "why don't you just switch to the iPhone then, hater!", well, I like Windows Mobile for the customization. I like being able to change my interface every few weeks. With the upcoming HTC Hero, I might be switching to Android, though. It will be nice to have an OS that actually works right... Windows Mobile simply is slow, and it's RAM management is HELL.
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All of that about the iphone is true, but not at all my point I was trying to make. The article mentioned features that were all available on Windows Mobile. It would have been OK with me if he said what you said, and that the interface, and certain applications (such as the large amount of simple, graphics-intensive games) are an advantage for the iphone. But he simply outlined features that an Apple spokesman would say at a newsconference promoting their product.
Also, I don't know what phone you are using, but my Fuze, which uses WM isn't slow at all in every basic use! The only thing I found slow was older applications that were made for xscale devices. Other than that I've ran over 9 applications at once, even music and youtube at once.

this article seems to be more biased than anything else. To me it simply sounds like another consumer who is very infatuated with the new phone. As the OP has said, nearly everything they offered was pretty much catching up to the other OS' and they did not "optimize" it as people claim it to be.
the thing that really caught my eye with the new iphone OS3 is the ability to edit on the fly, but then again, it is simply a cute toy for amateurs to post a huge range of amatuer videos to completely idiotic simpleminded videos of someone doing something stupid.
by the end of the article, it felt like a sales pitch.

Official Windows Mobile 6.6 in February 2010

Hi Folks,
just want to inform you about a news over at digitimes saying there will be an official Windows Mobile 6.6 next month. Maybe WM7 is delayed til 2011 due to that development.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100114PD216.html
same news on German news page:
http://winfuture.de/news,52805.html
The screenshots on the german page makes me think that WM6.6 is what the XDA community is used to called "6.5.3" (28xxx development path).
A big Thanks to the Chefs for the continuing great work!
Future

I cannot belive Microsoft with all its resources cannot launch a proper mobile system. If it weren't for the cooks on this forum we'd be stuck with 'ol boring platform. This wait for WinMo 7 is turning into 'Waiting fof Godot' - and if (and when) it finally arrives it may turn out to be a dud.
It's such a shame to have a device like HD2 with all its technical advances and no platform to properly display all its goodies.

tlerner said:
I cannot belive Microsoft with all its resources cannot launch a proper mobile system. If it weren't for the cooks on this forum we'd be stuck with 'ol boring platform. This wait for WinMo 7 is turning into 'Waiting fof Godot' - and if (and when) it finally arrives it may turn out to be a dud.
It's such a shame to have a device like HD2 with all its technical advances and no platform to properly display all its goodies.
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we should all knew Microsoft is like this..

it looks like its a slightly modified 28014, there are already lots of very good ROMS with this path so we dont really have anything to get excited about i am afraid .
I'm using GRID EVO 1.8 which is very good indeed. Incidentally, I wouldnt get too excited about windows 7 either, we may find this destroys are lowly 528 cpu, we'll probably have to wait for it to be cooked into somethign useable.

Do not have big changes.....just improvement of 6.5

Anybody has idea about which com branch is going to be WM6.6?
Mobile Office 2010 came out of beta in 23518 build. So 235xx is going to be WM6.6?

so this means that new roms will be avaliable with wm6.6? and going to be slightly faster?

Keyboard is nice otherwise I don't see anything that deserving to call it 6.6 just random updates.

I think this is to be expected, really. After playing around iphone and android, you can see every part of the system is designed very well (core, system, interface, flexibility, compatibility). I read some rumors that Microsoft have to go back to the drawing board a bit in order to make wm 7 competitive. And if they can keep improving wm 6.5 or 6.6 to be as close in performance as other systems. They can take their sweet time with wm 7, and it's probably a good thing going into 2012 and onwards.

right well hopefully it runs just as good as 6.5 or better wait for windows 7 that's gonna be something completly different.

Unbelievable... This waiting for the Windows Mobile 7 is becoming a big pain... If we didn't have chefs here at the XDA, we would be still stuck with the old platforms.
I believe that Windows 6.6 is just a slight improvement from the 6.5, but we should be happy that Windows Mobile is improving step by step... I think that in this one we have a slightly faster speed and colored "checking the boxes"...

ladieslova said:
Unbelievable... This waiting for the Windows Mobile 7 is becoming a big pain... If we didn't have chefs here at the XDA, we would be still stuck with the old platforms.
I believe that Windows 6.6 is just a slight improvement from the 6.5, but we should be happy that Windows Mobile is improving step by step... I think that in this one we have a slightly faster speed and colored "checking the boxes"...
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Well, after the Blackstone I don't think I will buy another Windows Mobile until I see what Microsoft does with it. Everything about the iPhone just shines quality and efficiency for example, compared to ours - that's not harsh. It's just a bodge in comparison. Also given that they left us with 6.1, I would have gone mad without the chefs.
My contract runs out in June...

According to Danish PC-Mag "PC World" Windows Mobile 7 will be unveiled next month at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. Hope you guys can wait that long.
Regards

just to clarify, these are still rumours.
wm6.6 is what we have previously been calling 6.5.3

Sillysod said:
Well, after the Blackstone I don't think I will buy another Windows Mobile until I see what Microsoft does with it. Everything about the iPhone just shines quality and efficiency for example, compared to ours - that's not harsh. It's just a bodge in comparison. Also given that they left us with 6.1, I would have gone mad without the chefs.
My contract runs out in June...
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oh come on thats a bit harse, whats on the iphone is very fancy the problem is there isnt a lot on it. Look, Apple from day one have had a luxury of having an OS running on spacific hardware designed to work with it, Windows mobile has essentially run on just about every configuration of hardware in the mobile market you can think of, its the same debate as the desktop market.
two different markets two different designs both very good at what they do, having a windows mobile platform running and looking like an apple is a bit too much like having your cake and eating it and expecting someone else to clean up your mess, what is unexceptable is having hardware that isnt working fully because the chipset makers wont give us the drivers (or HTC wont pay for them) thats not MS fault, MS didnt leave Touch HD users with 6.1 HTC and the networks did.

WinMo is 10 years old and showing its age... it simply can't compete any more.
The only think that keeps most users using it is not the OS itself, but some of the apps for it (Tom Tom, iGO, etc)
Clearly MS have always struggled to accept fundamentals are wrong... they like to have incremental improvements, but really don't like accepting they might have fundamental flaws.
The funtionality of WinMo is actually very good, but the UI has barely changed in the last 10 years... even less so in the last 7... very very poor. Their attempt at 'themes' was pitiful when they came out, let alone now.
MS see it as brand dilution... having someone create a new UI. Sadly, they fail to accept that if they created a high class UI, folks would be less likely to turn to SPB, or HTC to give their phone an (artificial) makeover.
I will stick with WinMo for a while though, but Android is becoming more tempting. Symbian's dead (even though it's 70% market share for open OS devices). iPhone has all the RIGHT attributes for speed and polish, but the real functionality just isn't there.

6.6...Don;t make me laugh. It's just another excuse for MS to delay WM7.
A comparison with the iphone is not fair in terms of dedicated hardware, but it is fair in terms of user experience.
The iphone just works, it's fluid, people who didn;t want or need a smartphone are jumping up and down for an iphone, sales don;t lie.
What MS is doing with WM7 has to be somthing very special indeed to get me to stick with WM and releasing a point upgrade which will change very very little from what we have access to here, is not going to cut the mustard with die hard WM fans.
WM7 has to be nothing short of groundbreaking otherwsie Smartphone manufaturers will just choose, the by then very mature and Free Android.
Logicalstep

Android + Microsoft = A good combo?

You know, Microsoft and HTC agreed to back each other up over HTC Windows/Android handsets (since they have been partners for a long time) over the Apple sh*tfight over the 21 stolen patents from the iPhone. In my personal opinion, I think Microsoft in a way is starting to realize that Android may be a interesting platform to tinker with.
Why am I saying this? Well, I've got a HTC Tattoo. And a HTC Snap. AzusaROM on one, 3VO WM6.5 ROM on the other. They both talk to each other and exchange 1s and 0s happily. I look at my HTC Snap, and Microsoft really made WM6.5 perform nicely.
Still, the Windows Phone platform (WinMo 6.x/WP7) may be on the verge of dying, but I think if Microsoft plays around with Android a tad, they could tap into a world of possibilities. ActiveSync for Android? Microsoft Office for Android? etc etc.
For example, let's say Microsoft takes a poke in Android, and builds a Windows UI for Android. Not that it would happen, let's just imagine it. It would be a Aero-like Windows Phone 7 UI running on top of a Android Kernel either provided by HTC or compiled by Microsoft themselves. You'd still have the Windows compatibility layer, but you could run Windows/Android apps natively. And have the sexy UI goodness that would deglamour the iPhone. Don't like the Aero UI? Press the "Disable" button and poof, you're back to the Nexus One Launcher.
I know I'm possibly dreaming or you think I've lost my marbles, but hey, just my two cents from my point of view.

Personally, Windows Mobile is horribly ugly to me. As is Symbian and all other mobile platforms. The ONLY one that ever caught my eye was Android. It's the first smart phone I've ever owned, next to a BlackBerry which isn't even really a smart phone in my book, just because it actually has a nice UI.
Android is just so.... slim and sleek. WinMo seems to bulky and compacted for me.
That's just thinking at it from the UI point. Can't really say what they would do with compatibilities. Honestly, can't rate too much on ANY features. Never owned a phone with Windows Mobile.

r3s-rt said:
Personally, Windows Mobile is horribly ugly to me.
Android is just so.... slim and sleek. WinMo seems to bulky and compacted for me.
That's just thinking at it from the UI point. Can't really say what they would do with compatibilities. Honestly, can't rate too much on ANY features. Never owned a phone with Windows Mobile.
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Ummm win mo is equally sleek and wasy if your talking in phone terms then Hd-2 is slimmer than your android phone

hell no, they will kill each other before first round

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google and microsoft cant cooperate
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REALLY!?!?!? I mean, REALLY?!?!?!?!?! Look at the date.

MS alreqdy make more money from android than they do from WP7 so they are well aware of the lucrative market available.
Thing is, if they were to release Office for android it would kill WP7 off as it would signal a lack of faith in their own mobile OS.
So we would either have to wait for MS to give up on the mobile OS game, or for WP7/8 to get enough of a market share that developing for android would cause no harm.

ROFL at the ancient bump... good job.

I'm gonna get flamed really bad for this but I think android should go smoothly with osx ( apple computers)
That'd a good combo IMO.
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