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Audio playback - as good as Ipod?

I was hoping for opinions on the MP3 playback quality on the kaiser. I have been using an N95 previously to play Mp3's through headphones but the quality is not as good as a standalone player like my Ipod. Problem is I want to ditch the Ipod and replace it with the a good sounding music smartphone.
Do you think the Kaiser is a good music player, when playing through wired headphones (not interested about the playback through the speaker).
Also what is the media library player like. Is the built in one good enough by itself or do you recomend a better third party app
Thanks for any help!

The ipod is a media player with a phone added on, the kaiser is a phone/pocket pc with media player facilities but given the different emphasis and target users of the two devices I think you can guess the answer. I find the sound thru phones ok but I think you'll be disappointed if you're looking for ipod quality.
I use conduits pocket player on pocket pc's.

patcooke said:
The ipod is a media player with a phone added on, the kaiser is a phone/pocket pc with media player facilities but given the different emphasis and target users of the two devices I think you can guess the answer. I find the sound thru phones ok but I think you'll be disappointed if you're looking for ipod quality.
I use conduits pocket player on pocket pc's.
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Don't you mean the iPhone is a media player with a phone added?

Thanks for the feedback. I might wait out for the iphone then in that case.
MP3 playback is top of my want list then followed by the phone. My N95 is just about passable for quality, do you recken the kaiser would be as good as the N95?

Well, Kaiser is not good for MP3 (Music) player. That's all.
If you want to have very good MP3 player, Kaiser is not for you.
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Thanks for the feedback. I might wait out for the iphone then in that case.
MP3 playback is top of my want list then followed by the phone. My N95 is just about passable for quality, do you recken the kaiser would be as good as the N95?
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Are you sure, I mean with a wired headset the Kaiser sounds pretty good, the iPhone doesn't do BT headsets I think. The Kaiser just does so much more, the GPS is killer.

If you have the option to wait for the iPhone do it. The iPhone was designed based off of a solid foundation of years and years of iPod history. Although the quality of your music tracks will have a significant impact on the quality of sound, there is no denying that the listening experience as a whole must be taken into account. Listening to music on the iPhone is natural and seamless. Switching between phone calls and choosing select tracks to listen to is fluid. I can't say that with the Kaiser / Tilt. While third party applications may improve the experience, I think transition from music, to phone call, and back to browsing for music to listen to is cumbersome.
When I received my Kaiser, I didn't even think about using it for audio playback. I immediately made plans to pick up an iPod Nano for dedicated playback.
* Battery life has to be taken into consideration as well. My iPhone could go two days without a charge - taking calls, messaging, and listening to music. There is no way I'm going to be sacrificing battery life in order to listen to music on the Kaiser.

It's not a media player first, but it is certainly functional enough for me. Either using an A2DP bluetooth stereo headset, or the included headset, I have no problems using the Kaiser as my primary music device. Just get a 4GB SD card or more and you'll have plenty of space.
The HTC Audio Manager (not sure if this is on the tilt) makes it much easier for navigating available content like you would on an iPod/Phone, though Windows Media Player works fine too.

meddleuk said:
My N95 is just about passable for quality, do you recken the kaiser would be as good as the N95?
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Do you judge that based on the bundled earphone? That earphone may be the cause of 'all' problems. I mean, the iPod's earphone is designed for music, and generally would be better.
And, in the Wizard / Atom side, there are actually people able to tell the difference between an MP3 and AAC.. and this.. flac loseless compression music format, I dont think the sound can be that bad (i.e. you need a fairly good unit to able to hear the difference)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335157

Thanks for the feedback. In answer to your question I have a pair of in ear sennheiser headphones which really show up any MP3 players problems. When trying to play MP3's on my N95 there was always a noticible gap between tracks and a slight hiss in the background which would disappear if you cranked the volume up. The big difference however was the range/clarity which made all my high bitrate MP3's sound as if they were encoded under 100kbs. The built in Mp3 player just seemed cheap as if it was knocked together with very little in the way of tweaks to improve things. The only improvement I could find was to run my MP3's through a third party app oggplay which gained a slight improvement in overall quality. I had learnt to live with this but wanted to make sure I didn't make the same mistake twice with my next phone.
My hearing on the other hand is not good enough to tell the difference between MP3/AAC etc. Often I hear that the Nano for instance has noticible worse playback quality than a standard Ipod but I cannot tell any real difference. But with the N95 it is very noticible.
I am not really asking for IPOD quality, but just a phone that performs better than the N95 otherwise it's not really worth it for me.

listening to music as we speak on the kaiser, sounds fine to me...i'm using some v-moda headphones and i can't really tell any differences from my ipod.

meddleuk said:
...When trying to play MP3's on my N95 there was always a noticible gap between tracks and a slight hiss in the background which would disappear if you cranked the volume up. The big difference however was the range/clarity which made all my high bitrate MP3's sound as if they were encoded under 100kbs. ...
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Well, that would be what I'm expecting on a phone media player.. due to the low SN ratio and the D2A converter. Probably you ought to ask (i.e. PM) the other guys (link in my post above) regarding how in the world they can differentiate MP3 and AAC/flac. Possibly the audio quality (unlike the camera quality) of these HTC are superb.

I dont understand how an ipod can be considered as a reference (cowon or other competitors did much better devices), but back to WinMobile based smartphones like the Kaiser, the very good news is that you have alternative players available (tcpmp)
I just repacked my iphone after a week, the speakers were good... but phone-wise it's just cannot be called a "phone" (too many features missing)
So I've not tested the kaiser yet, but I have no doubt that audio quality wise it could give good results with a good software like TCPMP...
Think about it : apple's product is love it as-is, or stay away from that.

Have you guys tried LCG Jukebox (they have clients for both N95 and TyTN II),
http://www.lonelycatgames.com/?app=lcgjukebox
I like it's features, download lyrics and album art, internet radio streaming, good equalizer. A bit pricey (19.99 for PPC and 24.99 for Symbian), I wish it was cheaper, but the sound on the TyTN II using a2dp is actually not bad at all.

I actually gave LCG Jukebox a go on the N95 and found that soundwise the quality was a little better than the built in MP3 player but no where near as good as oggplay. The interface however was horrible and not to be recomended and it just seemed cheap looking to me. It was also missing the search by artist/album etc.. which is a must for any media player.

ive been pretty happy with the playback over an A2DP headset from my tilt, in fact i think its better than my ipod (20gb 4th gen), but i do have this to add, all the ipods (at least up through 5th gen) use the same DAC as the 1st gen (how many years old is that again?), you can get much better sound quality out of other devices. due to the similarities, i would think that they have used this DAC in the 6th gen iPods also, the only only exception would the the iPhone/iPod touch, but you would have to find the specs somewhere to make sure

sebbes said:
I dont understand how an ipod can be considered as a reference (cowon or other competitors did much better devices)...
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Off topic a bit. Like it or not, iPod is here to stay due to favarious reason, where technical reasons play a minor part of it, as not everyone is of an audiophile or technical about the details, else every MP3 will look like a box with great stuff in it (i.e. best selling books aren't always best written, they just sell well). anyway, as of taking it as reference basically means it is easily obtainable, doesn't mean it is the greatest. E.g., I can tell you thing like, "that phone is almost a size of a CD", is better than, "that phone is exactly 5.72cm in length". You can easily get comparisons. Doesn't mean that CD is the best measuring device

With a good set of headphones (I'm using wired Senys as well), and it sounds just fine, equal to the nano with same headphones, and def better than a friends N95 (although I listened to that with Sony phones, and there usually a little too bass orientated).

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1551610&postcount=80
mp3, m4a (aac and alac), and wma
It is THE reference against which everything else could be compared, but could never reach (full stop/period...wait, here are a few more pics)
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Of course it's your product, right? I searched and downloaded and watched the wacky (very busy) demo. The product looks excellent and very intuitive. I'm not at all opposed to paying for software and donating, something I do often, but $30 seems steep for an audio player and the reg procedure is something different. I guess the handango burn was tough on you. I mainly use Pocket Gear for my commercial apps, are they OK by you?

Streaming Music from Computer to Phone

So back in high school I used setup a simple HTTP server that allowed me to browse my music on the schools computers and play it there through VLC player. I figure since I have 160GB of music (way more than I can fit on my phone) I could probably do the same thing, but the problem I'm facing is what app would I use to browse the music?
Any ideas on how I could do this? Over the 3G network it should be ok, at least no worse than pandora and I would have access to all of my music.

Have a look at orb.. you can set it up to stream your entire media library to your device (even videos). It will auto-encode to a supported format and adapt the bit rate to your network speed. It's pretty sexual.
http://orb.com/

go get GMote, best app I've seen yet, works over wifi and 3G/Edge.

Another one for gmote.

Yet another vote for gmote here.

Gmote does not auto convert and will not play .avi. I use it exclusively for music, but I have never been able to get the video to play on my phone.

Morrolan said:
Gmote does not auto convert and will not play .avi. I use it exclusively for music, but I have never been able to get the video to play on my phone.
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OP never asked about video, only music.

I tried out gmote but couldnt get it to work...I have a Belkin wireless router and I dont have a cpu hardwired to it. I messed around with some ports but apparently didnt do it right lol

mianosm said:
OP never asked about video, only music.
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I saw that. I was responding to the post about Orb. My music works flawlessly on gmote whether I am using wifi or 3g. I definitely give it 3 thumbs up.

Sound from PC to Dream?

Is there a way to send the sound coming from one's soundcard over wifi to a Dream phone?
Note: NOT to stream music or radio or video, there are lots of apps for that.

pardus said:
Is there a way to send the sound coming from one's soundcard over wifi to a Dream phone?
Note: NOT to stream music or radio or video, there are lots of apps for that.
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What are you trying to do then.

well, i dont know about transferring the sound coming out of the soundcard, but you can setup a samba share and then use Estrongs File Explorer to connect to it and you can play your music from your pc on your phone, but honestly you didnt give alot of in-depth info about what youre trying to do, so i dont know if thats what you want. I mean if you want to hear it in both places at once then thats not the way, but if you just wanna listen to music from your pc then its good.
You should always leave AS MUCH INFO AS POSSIBLE for people when you post looking for help, that way people dont have to GUESS how to help you.
So like i said, if you just wanna listen to music without keeping it on your phone, get Estrongs (free in market) and setup a samba share (Windows Share) and connect to it and play away...
Please reply back with more in-depth info about what it is you're trying to accomplish, and maybe youll have a better chance at getting some decent help...as it stands your request is rather vague and your chances of getting a decent answer are slim so just let us know EXACTLY what it is you're trying to do and see if that gets you anywhere....hope this helps...
-BMFC

Well the question sums it up pretty well and it's fairly simple, I want to hear what my PC's is playing through the phone speaker or headset, eg if it's playing from a tuner card I want to 'pipe' the sound to the phone

You're going to need a compatible sound server running on the phone.
Look at pulseaudio.
Note: this is not going to be a simple project -- you need to get the pulseaudio server running on android. That means coding, compiling, etc.
Once pulseaudio server is running on the android phone, it is trivial to set the pulseaudio client on your computer to use the android phone pulseaudio server as its default output.
Good luck.

Bluetooth?
Not sure but is there a way to turn your phone into bluetooth headphones? That would probably be easier... Dunno.. Just putting it out there... If the phone supports it, programs like BlueSoleil (for pc) can pipe out all sounds over bluetooth.

do you have a wireless router? If so, you can use an app called Gmote. From there you can play music that's on your computer through your phone speaker. Also, you can use your phone to select music and have it stream through your computer. Finally, it also acts as a wireless mouse with your touch screen and you can use it to navigate instead of using your mouse if you are across the room. It's pretty convenient. I use it all the time.

I have Gmote and it's amazing, but one can only play files, I don't see a way to play the sound from the tunercard for example. Anyway not serious was just wondering if it were possible.

[Q] Streaming mp3 from PC

Anyone uses this?
We all have gigs of mp3's on our PC's and I found only one app which can simply stream music, using wireless router for connection - Gmote. So this way I plug in my headphones and can listen to anything on my PC from anywhere in the house.
Sadly, it seems that it isn't developing anymore and a lot of my music is encoded in a way that Gmote doesn't like. I think it has problems with variable higher bitrates, maybe.. not sure.
Is there anything else that can do the job? DLNA maybe?

You can easy convert al your MP3-files to a right format.
http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html
Let your computer do the job at night, and in the morning you're a smiling human

No way, that would permanently lower sound quality . And PC is also connected to hi-fi
I'd rather find an app that works like it should . DLNA could be beter option, that way PC would recode music on-the-fly, just for listening on Hero. Ill try 2Player, looks promising

u never heard of orb or sugersync or oh there are tooo many to list

Not really the same thing. SugarSync uses "personal cloud", so it's over internet and Gmote uses home network which is free, fast and local. No upload/download.
As far as I remember, Orb was for internet radio? Can't find it on AppBrain.
Anyway, 2Player works with Tversity as DLNA server. Music only. Good to know

[Q] Newbie begging help

Hello!
I am looking for something that does not seem to exist. I registered here in hopes that the brilliant minds of XDA might be able to offer me a solution.
I want Bluetooth hands-free calling on my desktop PC.
Let me explain: I work in my garage. I use my garage PC as my only music source. I use it for email and web stuff too, of course, but its main job is providing a streaming source for music from the server in my house.
When I am working and my phone rings, I cannot hear my phone. Tablesaws and routers and sanders are noisy, and the music is blasting.
What I want is the same thing my $200 car stereo does: mute or pause the music and announce the caller ID through my speakers. When I am done with the call, resume the music.
Seems simple, doesn't it? I have been googling this for quite some time. No answers anywhere, it seems.
If/when I push the button to answer, I want to use a microphone and my speakers to talk on the phone...simple as that. Yes, I know, there are a hundred ways of doing this other than my PC (stream to tablet, BT to tab, tablet to stereo, etc.) but nothing is going to live very long in all this sawdust (including my PC, but I don't care) so the goal is to have to buy nothing but a BT dongle and some software.
So...since I work on stereo stuff for a living, the stuff you guys do is a complete mystery to me, but I know what I want.
Does anyone know of an app that does this? If not, it seems to me that this would be a fairly marketable thing, does anyone have an interest in developing this?
Thanks for looking, and hope you have some brilliant answers for my dilemma.
Thanks!
Luke Fisher

well if you plug your phone into the speakers and play music of it like Pandora or even download your own music. Then when you get a call the music will stop and your ring-tone will play through the speakers till you pick up the call or miss the call.

ladclothing said:
well if you plug your phone into the speakers and play music of it like Pandora or even download your own music. Then when you get a call the music will stop and your ring-tone will play through the speakers till you pick up the call or miss the call.
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Yes this is true, there are no cross platforms apps that really do what you want. This will happen probably in the next years it has to do with getting the platforms to work together.
I looked into this a couple of months ago, I did find a work around if you want to operate in linux........ then you can get the phone and computer to work together but then you are doing your own custom programming...... and you just want an app sounds like you do not want to be the programmer
Maybe someone else knows more and chime in............

oka1 said:
Yes this is true, there are no cross platforms apps that really do what you want. This will happen probably in the next years it has to do with getting the platforms to work together.
I looked into this a couple of months ago, I did find a work around if you want to operate in linux........ then you can get the phone and computer to work together but then you are doing your own custom programming...... and you just want an app sounds like you do not want to be the programmer
Maybe someone else knows more and chime in............
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Linux? Isn't that Charlie Browns best friend? Has a sister named Lucy, right?
Guys, my phone is a POS, ain't gonna go there at all. Samsung Instinct S30, until I find what I need a phone to do I am not giving up any money at all.
I know I can connect a cell phone to a PC with nothing but a simple BT dongle, but getting it to pause the music is the tough part.
Maybe I will just get another JVC KD-R900 and use it for shop tunes. I could run the shop stereo from it, just use the AUX in on the JVC from the PC.
Oddly enough, I listen to full albums, often several from the same artist, so I have no use for broadcast radio, nor sattelite or internet radio, just full CDs on my hard drive.
Thanks for the input so far, guys!
Luke

Stereoinstaller1 said:
Linux? Isn't that Charlie Browns best friend? Has a sister named Lucy, right?
Guys, my phone is a POS, ain't gonna go there at all. Samsung Instinct S30, until I find what I need a phone to do I am not giving up any money at all.
I know I can connect a cell phone to a PC with nothing but a simple BT dongle, but getting it to pause the music is the tough part.
Maybe I will just get another JVC KD-R900 and use it for shop tunes. I could run the shop stereo from it, just use the AUX in on the JVC from the PC.
Oddly enough, I listen to full albums, often several from the same artist, so I have no use for broadcast radio, nor sattelite or internet radio, just full CDs on my hard drive.
Thanks for the input so far, guys!
Luke
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Hmm... I have just done something similar with my phone.
Here's the setup:
You'll need:
1. A hi-fi system
2. An Android phone (any would do, but some of the apps in Andriod is critical)
3. 16-32gb sd-card
4. Bluetooth dongle for answering phones
Plug your phone into the hifi using the stereo sound jack, and plug your phone into the charger. Play music straight from the phone, and when it rings, you can set certain music apps to mute the music while letting the ringtone through. I'm quite sure that the default music app from el Goog, does that well.