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Google Body Slams B&N and Amazon with Nexus 7

It's Official our beloved Nook Color has been Outclassed Completely as best Developer Tablet
Meet the Nexus 7:
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It's got Specs that Dwarf anything Amazon and B&N have yet somehow manages to claim the same Price Tag. Here are the Specs:
7-inch 1280 x 800 display
Quad-processor
Tegra 3 12-core GPU
8 GB and 16 GB models
1 GB of RAM
1.2 MP front-facing camera
Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, gyroscope
9 hours video playback
300 hours standby
340 grams
Chrome as standard browser
$199 8gb($249 16gb), shipping mid-July to US, Canada, Australia and UK, preorders available today
Includes $25 credit in Google Play store, lots of preloaded goodies
That List One Ups anything else Available in this Price Range. It's Available for Preorder from the Google Play Store HERE
So what do you think of B&N and Amazon's new monolithic Competitor?

I'll definitely be getting one for the hardware (the phone UI throws me). I haven't decided if I'll sell the NC cheap, or re-purpose it for use around the house. It can always be used for use in kitchen as a media stream, living room for remote control, perhaps the car as a GPS/receiver. The NC isn't completely dead :fingers-crossed:

biohazrd51 said:
I'll definitely be getting one for the hardware (the phone UI throws me). I haven't decided if I'll sell the NC cheap, or re-purpose it for use around the house. It can always be used for use in kitchen as a media stream, living room for remote control, perhaps the car as a GPS/receiver. The NC isn't completely dead :fingers-crossed:
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Yeah, with CM9 the Nook Color finally is getting the Tablet treatment it deserves(Not Customised Phone like CM7) but with the Nexus 7 I'm actually considering the selling of my NC that I've used and loved for 2 1/2 years. This is the most torn I've felt in awhile. With the NC only just getting ICS(and still missing certain important things as of now), the Nexus 7 with Jellybean and Quad-Core CPU is flat-out tough to ignore.

My Nook has been my constant companion for a year and a half..had a half dozen different roms starting with autonooter. I even purchased a murse (man purse) to carry it in.... Really going to be hard to put it on a shelf!!!! BUT, this thing looks great and the price for the 16g is what I paid for my Nook!!! And I have a birthday coming in two weeks!!!:silly:

But no SD slot. And phone GUI is standard, even though HD device.
Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk

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But no SD slot. And phone GUI is standard, even though HD device.
Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk
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Where did you hear about Phone UI? And how is that necessarily a bad thing? Who knows if it works better or not, we haven't gotten our hands on Jellybean yet. Lack of MicroSD slot I agree is a big Con but let's hold out on whether the UI will be bad. The Phone UI on JB might just work better on a 7" screen then the Tablet UI. On CM9 I do notice how things are Kind of squashed/cramped in Tablet Apps with the NC and it can get annoying.

japzone said:
Where did you hear about Phone UI? And how is that necessarily a bad thing? Who knows if it works better or not, we haven't gotten our hands on Jellybean yet. Lack of MicroSD slot I agree is a big Con but let's hold out on whether the UI will be bad. The Phone UI on JB might just work better on a 7" screen then the Tablet UI. On CM9 I do notice how things are Kind of squashed/cramped in Tablet Apps with the NC and it can get annoying.
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check out the device pictures and the video on the Play device store page. I too am reserving judgement till I've played with one in person

japzone said:
The Phone UI on JB might just work better on a 7" screen then the Tablet UI. On CM9 I do notice how things are Kind of squashed/cramped in Tablet Apps with the NC and it can get annoying.
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I didn't say the phone gui was bad. I use the phone gui on my nook color and like it. I just wanted people to know that's how it came. No tablet gui.

leapinlar said:
I didn't say the phone gui was bad. I use the phone gui on my nook color and like it. I just wanted people to know that's how it came. No tablet gui.
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Sorry, didn't mean to point fingures.

One other downside.....no reason to root right away!!!!:laugh::crying:

http://www.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-hands-and-initial-review
Answers our UI question. They have changed it so that Tablets(at Least 7inchers) get the Phone UI but made it so it takes advantage of the larger screen. So yes it's the Phone UI, but No it doesn't suck like the Android 2.2 and 2.3 UIs did.

japzone said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-hands-and-initial-review
Answers our UI question. They have changed it so that Tablets(at Least 7inchers) get the Phone UI but made it so it takes advantage of the larger screen. So yes it's the Phone UI, but No it doesn't suck like the Android 2.2 and 2.3 UIs did.
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The phone GUI on the Nexus is exactly the same as ICS in phone mode. Thin status bar on top and bigger, centered navbar at the bottom. Like I said earlier, I use it and like it. Google said they were trying to streamline and standardize the user experience.
Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk

Exciting stuff.
Well I preordered it. I had skipped the kindle/NT (though I do adore the omap4s, I didn't want to reward BN for locking their bootloader)... but dalingrin talked me into this months ago when it was that announced $250 ASUS 7" quad core device, so now that it's finally out I'm getting one.
Also just loaned away my TP-- 10.1" is too big for me, at least with that heavy monster. It was a great deal and a great project, but 7" is right for me.
That said- my NC is my baby and it ain't goin' nowhere.

NC vs Nexus Etc
fattire said:
Well I preordered it. I had skipped the kindle/NT (though I do adore the omap4s, I didn't want to reward BN for locking their bootloader)... but dalingrin talked me into this months ago when it was that announced $250 ASUS 7" quad core device, so now that it's finally out I'm getting one.
Also just loaned away my TP-- 10.1" is too big for me, at least with that heavy monster. It was a great deal and a great project, but 7" is right for me.
That said- my NC is my baby and it ain't goin' nowhere.
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Hear! Hear! You Certainly have helped make the NC so great.
I would have loved to get a Nexus if it had a sd card slot

Would have bought a Nexus 7 today if it would have had an SD card slot. Oh well.

Preordered 2 of the 16gb models and sold my NC for $115 (w/2g SD) just now. Sooooo.... Here's my last post in the Nook Color forum: Thanks for the fun, devs - see you in the Nexus 7 forum!

There's a case too...
A quick tip for anyone grabbing a n7-- if you get the case, do it in the same purchase order, and you won't be charged extra for shipping.
If you already ordered before the case made its appearance in the store (as I did earlier today), you can call google, cancel the old order and do a new combined one.
$20 for a custom case is a pretty good deal i think considering that HP was charging $70 or something even AFTER they discontinued the touchpad.
As for the venerable NC-- it was introduced in 2010, remember. And its growing inexpense and SD-bootability make it, I think, still a great, fun device for learning to mess around w/Android without much risk of bricking.
(That said, keep in mind I still think the Apple II is awesome :cyclops

The lack of user loadable storage (SDCard) completely destroyed any chance of getting this on my part. I'll probably play with my Nook Color until it either goes bust or something else comes along that is the Nexus + SDCard. This is a disappointing misstep as far as I'm concerned.
Sent from my NookColor using Tapatalk 2

Man, Fat tire and Dalingrin getting one and who knows what other awesome devs are getting one. I have a strong feeling development on this is going to be epic!

I'll also be getting one as soon as I can ( probably on my trip to europe in august )
Lot's of exciting things
Tho , I still hope kernel 3.x will take a giant step forward soon so I can use the nook as the CarPc replacement I intended it for and my N7 as my fun/development tablet
I really hope the PDK will bring some exciting times
one article said they decided to open it to all users instead of just oems - if that's true it might be one of the biggest things ever ( like all-in-all sources library , oem and developers work together )

I Found Back Camera Module Space Prepared, Why Finally It Is Not There ?

Hey, guys, I had just checked the ifixit teardown of Nexus 7,
I found that the back cover / PCB / bracket had prepare the space for back camera module.
It is pretty clear on this picture from iFixit :
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But finally, there is no back camera module on Nexus 7.
So anyone know the reason ?
Is it because of the cost ?
Thanks.

In all honesty, I'm glad there's no back camera. It's a complete waste in my opinion. Cut it, save some costs, makes me happy
sent from my evo 3d

i wonder would we be able to add our own camera or possibly add larger storage? lol

truthkillszz said:
i wonder would we be able to add our own camera or possibly add larger storage? lol
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Or how about a 3g module? I know I know, but one can dream can't they?

lanwellon said:
Hey, guys, I had just checked the ifixit teardown of Nexus 7,
I found that the back cover / PCB / bracket had prepare the space for back camera module.
It is pretty clear on this picture from iFixit :
But finally, there is no back camera module on Nexus 7.
So anyone know the reason ?
Is it because of the cost ?
Thanks.
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Because smartphones.

Well the obvious guess is that it would've been on the ME370T at a higher price point but didn't make it here. Add it to the list along with microSD slot and HDMI output of features that were probably nuked to bring the price down.

It's missing for the same reason why the Galaxy Nexus is missing a SD card reader, even though there was a slot carved out for it in the housing. It keeps the cost down, and it was deemed an unnecessary component by Google. The slot still remains because it costs a lot of money to redesign and re-manufacture the injection molds and the shape of the system board, so instead they prefer to just re-use the existing parts whenever possible.
If you don't like the lack of features, wait until Google makes a premium version later.

brokentoaster24 said:
In all honesty, I'm glad there's no back camera. It's a complete waste in my opinion. Cut it, save some costs, makes me happy
sent from my evo 3d
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yeah, seriously. a friend was asking me if he should purchase the nexus 7 and was curious about the camera. when i told him that it's not a camera that you'd normally use to take pictures with he was saddened and almost decided against purchasing one. once i told him that his new smartphone can take photos and auto upload them (thus allowing him to view them on the nexus 7) he seemed relieved. people are weird.
how people don't realize how ridiculously stupid people look taking pictures with tablets is beyond me.

Yeah augmented reality would be the only reason to want in, but to 3g so might as well use your phone.
My current tablet has a rear camera only used once and it was like this " wow this is bad"
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

The only use of a rear-facing camera that I've found for a tablet is during video chats. I eventually bore of looking at myself, and just point it to the room / kids running around to give the conversation a sense of.... atmosphere.
Nuked due to cost I'd agree, though.

I honestly don't get why people would want to take serious photos with a tablet. If you have a smartphone, use that. Better yet, just buy a real camera.

I was in Egypt at some of the spectacular locations of the temples, and this woman kept holding up her ipad to take photos, lol! Obviously I had my bridge camera on me.

The only thing I use the camera on my tablet for is to scan a document, that feature will be missed but my phone does the same thing.

The camera in the average mobile phone blows away most tablet cameras. Since most people have mobile phones, it makes the need for rear-facing tablet camera 1) redundant and 2) pointless.

I would agree that it is not on there due to cost saving and also the fact the a) tablets are a horrible form factor for taking pictures, b) the pictures it would take would not be any better (if not worse) than what most phones already do and, c) google probably shares the opinion that people look ridiculous while taking pictures with tablets (espically when the ipad first came out)

earlyberd said:
It's missing for the same reason why the Galaxy Nexus is missing a SD card reader, even though there was a slot carved out for it in the housing. It keeps the cost down, and it was deemed an unnecessary component by Google. The slot still remains because it costs a lot of money to redesign and re-manufacture the injection molds and the shape of the system board, so instead they prefer to just re-use the existing parts whenever possible.
If you don't like the lack of features, wait until Google makes a premium version later.
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incorrect. the galaxy nexus has no SD slot as google wanted to refine the end user experience. when people use slow SD cards, it slows the entire system down.
google never put the slot there in the first place. the nexus is a premium device and it has premium features. there is no way they would have 'removed it to save cost'
and although I am pretty sure there is no SD cutout in the frame... i would be curious to see a picture... perhaps find a picture from iFixit and post.

thekillingtree said:
how people don't realize how ridiculously stupid people look taking pictures with... is beyond me.
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that's what they said when people started taking pictures using the LCD screen on the back of a point&shoot camera instead of the viewfinder - in a time when everybody used the viewfinder.
that's also what they said when the first camera was integrated into a phone. Why would anyone want to put a camera into a phone? Now, it's one of the top features in a smartphone.
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About the comments on the merits of a rear-facing camera on a tablet. All I can say that if it's there, people will use it.
I had to sit through my daughters gymnastics competition. A whole 2 hours worth to see her 2 minute routine. Unfortunately, I don't have a tablet, but many others did - most of which were ipads. I can tell you that these people used their ipads, instead of their camcorders, phones, or digital cameras, simply because it was there and they were using it at the time (to play games or read books or whatever). It may look stupid, but I'm sure they really don't care. What mattered to them is that they were able to capture the moment and replay it on a 10" screen... not a 2.5" screen or a 4" screen. What's more interesting is that one parent shot the video on the ipad of his daughter, and later on the daughter reviewed the video and actually started to edit it on the device.
Convenience...

Well the picture preview shown on a Tablet would be more true to the results then the small LCD on the back of a camera or even a smart phone. Plus the added benefit to edit the picture on the spot with advance photo editing software not available on a camera itself. Though the cameras on the back of most consumer tablets are up to par right now, I think its quite possible professional cameras in the next few years will be more tablet like with handle like apparatuses on the side with a thumb button for take the picture and a changeable lens on the front. Regular consumers would of course have some thing the size of a smart phone of course for portability. But a professional would no doubt love a 10 inch or larger high def display on his/her camera with instant editing and the ability to she the results or email them to the publisher on the spot. This can save cost and overheard.

thekillingtree said:
yeah, seriously. a friend was asking me if he should purchase the nexus 7 and was curious about the camera. when i told him that it's not a camera that you'd normally use to take pictures with he was saddened and almost decided against purchasing one. once i told him that his new smartphone can take photos and auto upload them (thus allowing him to view them on the nexus 7) he seemed relieved. people are weird.
how people don't realize how ridiculously stupid people look taking pictures with tablets is beyond me.
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Precisely. Every time I see someone complain about how they can't take photos with a tablet, I automatically think "tool". Seriously. You look like the biggest douche in the world holding a book-sized screen up to take a ****ty picture for Instagram.
When professional photographers start espousing the awesomeness of tablet photography - then maybe I'll take notice. But with the compact and high-quality nature of both smartphones and newer DSLRs...I'm not really expecting that to ever happen.

I think my old 110 style film camera when I was a kid took better photos than any Tablet/phone camera.
I'm happy Google didn't put it in and just gave us a front camera.

Its a hit, but not a home run

Just got my nexis7. Jelly bean appears to be much faster than my other tablet running gingerbread or my smart phone. Yes, controls are different, but that was somewhat expected. Did not take long to figure it out and now it is easy.
I got the 16g model and very glad I did. The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.

Catch22! said:
The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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Working towards a price point goal causes these things to happen. How popular and it seems hack friendly may end up with an application or hardware hack to achieve external memory cards.
Then of course you have the whole cloud behind you. This is a point that Google is trying to push us with this device, use it for your day-to-day things and let us (google) store it all for you on our computers. I've been using cloud services for my Music and Videos for a number of months now, I would find it hard to return to just what I had on my own media after that convenience (for me, maybe not every but for me it's a boon).
Who knows, exciting times.
Putting a positive spin on it, for those using this as an EReader every gram of weight pared off makes long reading sessions better, not adding those 10-15 grams of interface will help there... ok, ok, it's a long stretch.

Purchased the 16GB version and after installing all my games (Max Payne, GTA, Nova3, etc) I still have about 8 GB left. No issues with storage here, especially since I use the cloud for all my music (Saves about 4 or so GB). Couldn't be happier with this device after owning a Transformer and GTab 2 7". Home run in my book.

I wish they sold 8gb at the store, I'd got 8gb version than 16gb version.
16 GB would be handy, but I realized I rarely use any space since everything I do is available to stream and where I don't have WiFi access either I tether to Galaxy Nexus or just use Galaxy Nexus...
Sent from my Nexus 7

Catch22! said:
Just got my nexis7. Jelly bean appears to be much faster than my other tablet running gingerbread or my smart phone. Yes, controls are different, but that was somewhat expected. Did not take long to figure it out and now it is easy.
I got the 16g model and very glad I did. The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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Yea..I dunno. I wish they would have included an SD card slot just so I wouldn't have to read people complaining about it. If I truly need more than the fourteen or so gigs, I'll get me some Stickmount and my 32BG flash drive and go to town.

rlh445 said:
Yea..I dunno. I wish they would have included an SD card slot just so I wouldn't have to read people complaining about it. If I truly need more than the fourteen or so gigs, I'll get me some Stickmount and my 32BG flash drive and go to town.
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This.
While I agree that an external SD card would be useful, the lack of one is not the end of the world. 16GB should be more then enough space to hold movies/music/games for a long trip (even without Wi-Fi). Once you get to a place with Internet, you can replace your current content with more. And by using the OTG USB trick, you can still attach external sources of data. I wouldn't want to keep it plugged in for long periods of time personally, but you can delete/move/copy things back and forth to "reload" more content on your tablet.

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If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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They are already barely breaking even as it is selling a $199 quad core tablet. Adding anything more, and this price would not be possible. If there's a a better $200 tablet, please show it to me. Look at all those people that paid $200 for a Kindle, and what they got for the money.
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... Once you get to a place with Internet ...
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This is what it's coming down to. I am already always connected through WiFi hotspot in my phone while I'm in transit. At home and work I have WiFi. As a result I've move to the cloud. Pandora, Sony Music Unlimited (Which is fantastic) and my ISPs movie service, Google Movies and Sony Movies filling in my video needs.
I understand that everyone is not me and some people can't turn their phones into hotspots, or don't have the data allowance, but we are moving that way.
The device can do a card I would say, the original version before Google cut it down from $250 to $199 had the card, HDMI and rear camera and more memory. Despite that cut down the circuit board in the Nexus 7 is still labelled as a ME370T, check the iFixit to see.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3124041/asus-me370t-nexus-7-transformation-google-nvidia
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/3
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This part is probably the difference, right side missing. Only left ear to the middle usb, seems it would need middle usb to the right card slot so the entire strip goes over the bottom of the tablet. The frame (grey part with the stamp 120504 in this picture) looks to have space and the mounting reinforcement for a card slot on the right bottom, the extra needed wires seem to be in the ribbon, logically it would seem that function would go to the same part of the MB as the USB... maybe.

I am so glad I got the 8gb instead of the 16gb. I dont need or want the storage and with USB on the go I *would* be set either way. I much prefer the low cost. The days of hoarding data (Movies, TV Shows, Music) is a thing of the past for me. Its kind of like thumb drives, I used to always carry one with me on my key chain and I realized a year ago that this practice was already outdated thanks to dropbox.
And what a relief too, I dont have to wonder if my music folders are all named correctly or if they all have the album art. Its all taken care of by netflix, pandora, picasa and google music.
Google posted the specs of this device long before we bought it. The told us what would be included and what would be excluded. Based on this list it seemed that this was a perfect device for me. Thats why I purchased one. I am glad I did. My Ipad2 can collect dust now.
Mine has been all loaded up since Tuesday and it is actually only 5GB +/- not 8. Still a home run for me.....

What? With 32gb Dropbox, 50gb box, 25gb skydrive and 5gb Google Drive? I think I have plenty
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What? With 32gb Dropbox, 50gb box, 25gb skydrive and 5gb Google Drive? I think I have plenty
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I agree...
After downloading most of my Zinio magazines, Kindle books, Nook books, several games and my Play store books and magazines, I still have over 11GB free. Do the Play purchases stay on your device or are they pulled from the "Cloud" when you want to access them?

Yes, a Micro-SD card slot would have been nice. Yes, 3G would have been nice also. But, unfortunately, Asus had to make a cuts as they are making this thing cheaply. It is, after all, a budget tablet and for that I think it is pretty impressive.

What's the obsession with being a data pack rat? Internal storage is meant as temporary storage to consume new media then replace with newer.I have the same amount of storage on my smartphone with a ton of dancing video recordings and have set to even use half.

As much as I would of liked a SD card, I never use the space on it. When I had my 16 ans 32gb iPhones I never filled more then 8gb, same with my skyrocket and galaxy note and a 32gb card I have inside. I think Google saved me money by not adding it since I would of bought a extra card just to do it.
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Poll: what size storage do you need?

Completely discounting price, and discounting your investment in how much you have wanted this phone for ages (like everyone else) - realistically, what size storage do you NEED on this phone, to keep you happy for however long you will own the phone?
Note - this is not a "what size do you wish you could get" or "what size can you fit into and make work with adjustments" poll - it's a "what size do you really need?" poll.

I think that 16gb is really the sweet spot right now. If you use Google like they want you too then you don't really need much more.

I need 16 GB. I'd much prefer 32.

If we had unlimited data I would use Good Drive, Google music, and all the other streaming/cloud services. However since data usage is limited we require larger amounts of storage.

i only need 8 gb but i will buy the 16 gb version because of price stability (resale value).

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If we had unlimited data I would use Good Drive, Google music, and all the other streaming/cloud services. However since data usage is limited we require larger amounts of storage.
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this.
I would like 64gb to store all photos and videos without need to upload.
And a lot of games.
I had a 32gb iphone that was always full

I say 32gb is really a good spot. You figure with 16gb you have what...13-12ish for yourself. If i put my small music collection, approx 7gb on there, you get about 5 for other things. I never put movies on mine, but some do. That takes up a lot. I purchase a lot of games and try different apps, so having more than a handful of GB for some of these games (some are getting into the 1gb-1.5gb range) is not enough.

I feel you should throw in "would like more but 16 is fine" cause for me, I would do more with the storage the more of it I had, but with 16gb I can make due by not throwing all my music on it and also by uploading my pictures to the cloud everyday when I get home (omg wait, does anyone know if there's a way I could set up an NFC tag task to do this?? ) and by not having apps i almost never use on it

It's funny - I was thinking, man, who can live with just 8GB's? It's got to be at least 16GB. And then I went and actually looked at my usage on my 16GB Nexus S. I was surprised to see that I'm using only 4.5GB's of space. Apparently I could get by just fine on 8GB. I'll probably still go for the 16GB version though.

32GB. I have 20GB of music which I listen to nearly all of it.
I am still going to get the N4 and just get unlimited data. Here in the UK its only another £2.90 a month which is nothing

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I feel you should throw in "would like more but 16 is fine" cause for me, I would do more with the storage the more of it I had, but with 16gb I can make due by not throwing all my music on it and also by uploading my pictures to the cloud everyday when I get home (omg wait, does anyone know if there's a way I could set up an NFC tag task to do this?? ) and by not having apps i almost never use on it
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This counts as "making adjustments". If you're changing the way you use it, then you are making yourself fit the device rather than having a device that fits you. If you're filling up 16GB now, then in my opinion you need 32GB. That's what this poll is about, it's not "which of what's been offered can you make do with" it''s "what do you really need".

having an 8gb=FAL..
no 32gb-FAIL

16Gb + 16Gb SD

setspeed said:
This counts as "making adjustments". If you're changing the way you use it, then you are making yourself fit the device rather than having a device that fits you. If you're filling up 16GB now, then in my opinion you need 32GB. That's what this poll is about, it's not "which of what's been offered can you make do with" it''s "what do you really need".
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The thing is though that I don't explicitly need 32 gb but if it were available i'd fill it with stuff that I don't actually really need, I don't need to have any music on this, I have an ipod, I don't need to keep all my pics on it, I have 120gb of home internet, its less that I have to adapt to work with 16 gb as much as i would just make use of more

The only reason I wanted an SD card is to minimize the amount of transfer I would have to do when it comes to roms, kernels, radios, backups, etc. If I simply use the cloud for that stuff and minimize what I "need" to carry on my phone, 16GB is more than I know what to do with.
I mentioned it in another thread, my phone is just a communication device. I have a 1GB/mo data plan with Telus and I barely reach 700MB. All I do on data is stream radio(TuneIn)/music(Grooveshark) for 15 minutes each way walking to and from work. The rest of my phone usage is on wifi. I simply can't play games or watch movies on my phone, the screen is just too small to be enjoyable. So data doesn't hinder me in a way to use more storage.
My current storage use:
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Once I really got down to the nitty gritty, I got over the microSD really quick and don't need any more built in.

roughavoc said:
32GB. I have 20GB of music which I listen to nearly all of it.
I am still going to get the N4 and just get unlimited data. Here in the UK its only another £2.90 a month which is nothing
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all my music is in google music
I pay £10 a month to giffgaff (soon to be £12-odd) for unlimited data.
Sadly, I still have a 32GB card in my current phone of which 20GB is used

Most, if not all, of my storage goes to music, and at any given time I use no more than 9gb (I have a larger library, but I only transfer stuff that I'll listen to on a regular basis). Videos occupy most of the rest, and then some games (photos go straight to my Dropbox). 16gb will definitely suffice.

Just an sd card slot. Then the whole issue disappears.

The strength of opinion regarding storage space is amazing. Google have hit an amazing price point which I think they need a big pat on the back for, but I just wish they had created some bigger storage capacity options....maybe a 64 gig model for £100 more? That would still be a great price compared to the competition
It would be really interesting to know how many people use all the features of their smartphone. For example, I use mine as a kind of media pc replacement. With an MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard with a built in mouse it rocks. My main tv is plugged into my amplifier so movies, music and games sound great - I can't believe what my little HTC Sensation is capable of. It's really nice having a lot of content on my phone so I can play what I want, when I want, where I want. Sure, if phone networks had better coverage where I live and data was cheaper I would happily use the cloud, but that's not an option for a lot of people right now. It would be great if I could put all my music (40 gigs - which is modest for someone of my age), a few tv shows, films and all my photos from my travels on one device so it's all there, all the time. And being able to add more would be great. Sadly my 64 gig card is already full, though a big chunk of that is taken up by game data (Nova 3 is 3GB alone). I had no idea I'd be playing games so much on my phone when I got it either, lol.
None of this is meant to offend anyone, it's just my humble opinion based on my usage habits.
I have my fingers crossed Google will launch more generous storage options next year.

drraptor said:
16Gb + 16Gb SD
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strumcat said:
Just an sd card slot. Then the whole issue disappears.
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Until you run out of room because the phone is only allocated for 2GB of apps... I have that issue with my Skyrocket, so I've got a Galaxy Nexus now. The SD slot is helpful for music and pictures, that's about it unfortunately.

MicroSD to Micro USB Adapter, Expand your Nexus 10 Storage.

What if you could add more storage to any Android device with a tiny adapter?
A MicroSD to Micro USB adapter. This indiegogo project aims to receive funding for the creation of a tiny adapter -- the worlds first of it's kind so you no longer have to worry about running out of space for your favourite videos, music or photos. All we need is your support to help fund the creation of this adapter.
http://www.indiegogo.com/microsdtomicrousb
The adapter is so small it can happily sit with your keys as a keyring; store the whole of your favourite TV series, music collection and more in the palm of your hands.
Support the project and be the first to receive the adapter. If the project doesn't get funded, your receive a full refund, nothing to lose.
Lot of discussion at the Nexus 7 forums
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1764017
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Just a random thought - they should make it bendable, so the card could be behind the tabet and only a small portion would be below the frame.

Magnesus said:
Just a random thought - they should make it bendable, so the card could be behind the tabet and only a small portion would be below the frame.
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Making it Flexible is on the roadmap, we are planning on doing it, however, that requires more much testing, and the mechanicals of that are more much complex. we need the initial push to get the necessary funding to get the design FCC approved and compatibility test with as much devices as we can.

Contributed for $16.
This looks like it will be really great! Good luck!

Maturola said:
Making it Flexible is on the roadmap, we are planning on doing it, however, that requires more much testing, and the mechanicals of that are more much complex. we need the initial push to get the necessary funding to get the design FCC approved and compatibility test with as much devices as we can.
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Call me crazy, but wouldn't one be able to do that with wired extension leads? I don't know a whole lot but it seems fairly simple to this 16 year old.

Will this work? I know it's not micro sd though.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0051D3KMG/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
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Great Idea, I just sent you guys another $32 plus $10 for shipping. I hope you get enough support to complete this project.

cderrick14 said:
Great Idea, I just sent you guys another $32 plus $10 for shipping. I hope you get enough support to complete this project.
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Thank you for the support, We are having a really unexpected positive feedback about the project, specially internationally. We are on the right track, we just need some more support and spread out the word as much as we can. :good:

Lumsdoni said:
Will this work? I know it's not micro sd though.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0051D3KMG/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
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No, it won't. It isn't for micro usb port. It works only with Samsung Galaxy Tab.
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Maturola said:
Thank you for the support, We are having a really unexpected positive feedback about the project, specially internationally. We are on the right track, we just need some more support and spread out the word as much as we can. :good:
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Yes, spread the word folks. I've tweeted, facebooked and google+'d the crap outta this and will continue to do so. I'm surprised you are only at the amount you are. It seems to me that this would be more popular.
Well I'll keep plugging this until every Android user i have contact with sees it.

groaner said:
Yes, spread the word folks. I've tweeted, facebooked and google+'d the crap outta this and will continue to do so. I'm surprised you are only at the amount you are. It seems to me that this would be more popular.
Well I'll keep plugging this until every Android user i have contact with sees it.
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Thanks, make sure to use your "custom" link to share, we are tracking referral, and if we are funded, the person with more referral will get a Nexus 7 32GB (More details at the website if interested).
We have a very large amount of visitors, many are interested but are holding up. Maybe to see if the project is going to get closer to its goal, or maybe they just want to wait for a more complete, retail ready from. I hope they realized that without the initial push we can't get there. All i can do is support, answer questions and spread the word as much as I can.
We have the Nexus 10 on order already, so we will be testing as soon as we get it. We are also prototyping a Build in storage option (A.K.A Micro USB Flash drive). :good:

So I already planned to do this with a microsd card adapter and an OTG cable for about half the price. That way I can connect a few devices at once too... Any reason I should spring for this instead?

manaox2 said:
So I already planned to do this with a microsd card adapter and an OTG cable for about half the price. That way I can connect a few devices at once too... Any reason I should spring for this instead?
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Hey Manaox,
Functional they are the same, depending on the quality of the OTG cable, speed should be the same (there are some cases reported that some really inexpensive OTG cables degrade the speed a bit), if you don't mind the size and having the "cable" hanging around, that is a perfect way to do it. that;s exactly what I did before I decide to design a better solution.
Personally, I hate that "tail" on my device, I rather have something smaller, that I can maybe have on my keyring or in a pocket on my case and i can easily plug and play. But there is nothing wrong with the OTG cable + MicroSD-USB adapter (or Flash drive).

chrishin said:
No, it won't. It isn't for micro usb port. It works only with Samsung Galaxy Tab.
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Shouldn't have tried to see that on my phone, thought it was micro usb.

Maturola said:
Making it Flexible is on the roadmap, we are planning on doing it, however, that requires more much testing, and the mechanicals of that are more much complex. we need the initial push to get the necessary funding to get the design FCC approved and compatibility test with as much devices as we can.
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What you really need to work on, besides keeping the size down, is some sort of clamp mechanism, as a strain-relief for the actual USB port (especially the pathetic shallow and sloppy port on the N7). Without that strain relief, expect to see a LOT of complaints about breaking the USB port.
Might also want to consider an "L" shape that runs along the edge rather than straight out. It'll be a bit trickier to manufacture but would make it far less prone to "snapping off" and it'll be less clunky looking if it doesn't protrude out as far.
Finally, if you're making it device specific for the N7, a ribbon cable (or hard cable) that does a 180 to the back would be ideal. The actual reader portion could mount in the middle of the speaker/Asus logo area. A few was to make this mounting work, from velcro to double-sided tape to semi-permanent plates mounted to the back with a clip or magnet, etc.
Actually, the more I think about it, a rigid cable sheath in the shape of a "C" would be ideal, if it was a tight fit (almost a clip) to the chassis. A lot of the torque that would be applied to the USB port would be absorbed/prevented by the reader portion resting snugly on the back.

Croak said:
What you really need to work on, besides keeping the size down,
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There is a lot that need to be worked if you want a quality product. Durability, packaging, signal integrity manufacturability.. many more
Croak said:
Finally, if you're making it device specific for the N7...
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We don;t want to make a Nexus 7 specific, we want to make it so it will work with as many android devices as possible, with or without a case (which doesn't allow to make flush to the edge)

I made myself one, much cheaper and easier, cost me about £3 total and 10 minutes to solder up.
See my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33978463
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alias_neo said:
I made myself one, much cheaper and easier, cost me about £3 total and 10 minutes to solder up.
See my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33978463
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Sweet! Looks easy!

great idea but here is something that will probably work fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1MR0ES0806
for $10 its worth a test

Leoisright said:
great idea but here is something that will probably work fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1MR0ES0806
for $10 its worth a test
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That will not fit on your Nexus 10, that is NOT a micro USB device...
EDIT: I stand corrected, I can see the MicroUSB on the side, besides the size, it should do the job. for that size of device I would much rather use a OTG cable, but it comes down to preferences